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How the fuck should I play this for the first time?
I've played through Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior and they were fine, but Doom pisses me off. There are like a million different mods for it (I'm not gonna call them wads, fuck off) and some of the most recommended ones like Brutal Doom seem to change too much from the original.

Years ago I downloaded some random one, but not being able to aim up and down was simply not acceptable for me so I deleted it in 2 minutes. I want some basic improvements to graphics and gameplay.
Please advise and please be kind.

>> No.8907862

stop fucking around with wads and play the game you retard

>> No.8907876 [DELETED] 

DOSBox/Chocolate.
Ignore the rest.

>> No.8907936

>>8907862
I want to aim up and down, fuckface.
The original was designed to be played with a keyboard only, it's fucking awful.

>>8907876
>DOSBox
Some garbage where I have to write in commands just to launch the game? I hope you are trolling me.

>Chocolate
I'm on keto, don't tempt me.

>> No.8907941

>>8907936
>I want to aim up and down

So you don't want to play the game. Just say so and fuck off.

>> No.8907943

>>8907936
just kill yourself since you're obviously retarded.

>> No.8907948

>>8907852
Just play vanilla doom. Find some version of it that's easy for you to get, and get it. If you want to use DOS box, fine. If you don't, fine. Just play it.

>> No.8907949

You have to buy a DOS PC from 1994 (maximum) to play Doom the right way. Must be installed from the original floppy disks. Any other way is no good and wrong.
No mouse either.

>> No.8907951

gzdoom, disable bilinear filtering, done.

>> No.8907969

HDOOM is all you need

>> No.8907981
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>>8907936
>The original was designed to be played with a keyboard only, it's fucking awful.
It was designed to be played with keyboard and mouse, it's fucking awesome.
Fast mouse aiming without any y-axis interference.

>> No.8907991

>>8907936
It was designed to be played with keyboard/mouse and looking up and down is honestly just not that important because you know, it wasn't designed to be like that. Also you are not getting vertical mouse aim with custom wads, you use a custom engine like gzdoom to add functionality like this to the game.

>> No.8908009

>>8907991
>you use a custom engine like gzdoom to add functionality like this to the game.
Alright, thanks. And to all of you haters, fuck off. Not being able to aim up or down feels like I'm driving a car.
Shooters are about aiming. Not having half of it is ridiculous. Why not mod in some autoaim while you're at it? Play fuck for the story lmao.

>> No.8908036

>>8908009
you don't need to "mod in" autoaim in any of the games mentioned in this thread and I bet you were too stupid to even realize that you had it on while playing them you absolute fucking retard

>> No.8908037

>>8908009
It wasn't designed for mouselook aiming. The game aims up and down for you by shooting in the direction of enemies on a different elevation. You're going to play it wrong.

>> No.8908051

>>8908037
>You're going to play it wrong
Who gives a fuck?

>> No.8908058

>>8908051
You do, apparently. Since you're going to play one of the hundred stupid mods instead of the actual game.

>> No.8908062 [DELETED] 

Doom mods and source ports were a mistake

>> No.8908075

>>8908058
I'm not op
Who gives a fuck if he doesn't play the game ''the way developers intended''
If he thinks it's more enjoyable that way then let him play it

>> No.8908090

>>8908037
... this makes me not want to play it!
I don't want to play some auto-aim car driving shooter. I'll rather just play any shooter that followed Doom then.

>> No.8908091

Like everyone else said use gzdoom for convenience. Use vertical mouse look and jumping if you want, but follow this video to set up the graphics so they have the charm of the original but still 1080p and 60fps. The default gzdoom graphical settings fuck the vibe up and make the game look cheap. Have fun anon

https://youtu.be/9JC8fnz_L3k

>> No.8908097

>>8908091
Thank you from my heart.

>> No.8908118

>>8908097
Happy to help fren. The guy in the vid I linked spergs about certain gameplay settings that are up to preference, feel free to ignore those and leave gameplay settings on default if you want, but the graphics settings advice he gives really make the game more atmospheric and stylish.

>> No.8908120

>>8908051
You made this thread asking for how to play it. So, you do.

>> No.8908440

>>8907852
>There are like a million different mods for it (I'm not gonna call them wads, fuck off) and some of the most recommended ones like Brutal Doom seem to change too much from the original.
Play the base game? Why would you fuck around with a bunch of mods which completely changes the entire game on your first go?

>>8907936
Original was designed for playing with keyboard and mouse turning. You can't look up and down in the original, but you don't like need to either, the only big hindrance with the original .exe is the mousewalking (ergo moving the mouse back and forth to move back and forth), which is great for Wolfenstein 3D, and awful for any game after it, such as Doom.
Thankfully, most sourceports let you turn that behavior off (usually having it off by default), even the new official ports do, and there's even tricks you can do to turn it off for the original .exe if you wanted to.

Sourceports such as GzDoom allow you to look up and down with free mouselook, and you can play the game that way if you absolutely have to, it won't make a gigantic difference for most of the game. Just make sure to turn off the Bilinear Filter in options first, it looks like shit.

>>8907981
I feel the lack of any up/down doesn't make an appreciable difference for speed, but maybe I'm just really used to keeping my view level while moving around.
Just vanilla Doom with mouseturning and WASD plays sweet as fuck though, that's for sure, the only thing they got wrong was not including a proper option for toggling mouse-walking while using the mouse for turning.

>> No.8908476

>>8908009
Can't believe you know this little about Doom.

>> No.8908497

>>8908009
Doom 1 doesn't have all that much verticality, so you end up really not actually needing it.
Doom 2 uses a bit more but you have enough space to move those times.

Final Doom gets a bit meaner, the presumption was still that you can't look up or down, but occasionally that's used against you to fuck with you. For instance there's a map in Plutonia where some chaingunners are firing away at you from a distance, but they're out of auto-aim distance (theirs is farther than yours so they can still reach you if you stand out in the open).
The solution is to use the rocket launcher provided and then hit them with splash damage from the rockets exploding above them, so it's not like the level is unfair to you, it just uses Doom's original limitation against you and has you figure it out.

Doom 64 is a bit of a different beast, but retains the vertically locked view. There's ways to play that with freelook if you really want to though. Either way, it's a really fun game if you enjoy classic Doom.

>> No.8908504

>>8908476
Judging by the attitude and ignorance, he's probably a kid who doesn't know better, but kids can learn. If he likes Doom in GzDoom, he'll probably give regular Doom a try and discover that it's still really fun.

Doom is straightforward and fun, easy to learn but with a real high skill ceiling that you can keep reaching for for years if you want to. Someone will always make a greater challenge if you seek it.

>> No.8908517

>>8908037
It's gonna make the game a little bit easier for him on occasion, but let's be real here, freelook doesn't make a big difference in most of the combat in the game, shootable switches that require you to reach a specific height are rare (in fact, are there any in the iwad maps?), and it really only actually changes the difficulty at the very end of Doom 2, and you and me both know that Icon Of Sin just isn't that great of a level even when it's harder to time those shots, he's not exactly missing anything amazing at that part.

He'll play it wrong maybe, but so did many kids in the 90s and 2000s (how many young boys played exclusively with cheats back then?), he's got an entire lifetime to right it if he actually gets a taste for the game.

>>8908062
t. Tim Willits

>> No.8908785

The absolute state of zoomers.

>> No.8909084

>>8907936
>Chocolate
That's what those Lily's chocolate bars are for, the Sugar Alcohols don't affect you the same.

Anyway use gzdoom and something like Brutal Doom or whatever.

>> No.8909250

>>8908440
>only big hindrance with the original .exe is the mousewalking
You can turn off the mouse forward movement without needing to go on any modern source port in the settings.

>> No.8909280

>>8908051
>>8908075
Thats not the point. Adding vertical aiming alone completely breaks the game, and will ultimately hurt how OP experience the game by making it much easier.

>> No.8909310

>>8907852
>I've played through Duke Nukem and Shadow Warrior and they were fine, but Doom pisses me off.

You are better off skipping Doom then ... seems like you are already spoiled with BuildEngine interactive levels, AI and overall more realistic environments.

You are not gonna enjoy Doom and its more primitive level design, enemy AI, player movement (jumping can break maps and progression too in case you didn't know) and whole circle strafe to win gimmick this game has.

>Brutal Doom seem to change too much from the original

Also kinda hypocrite to avoid Brutal Doom cause isn't faithful yet, when told to keep auto aim / vanilla settings you go all sperger.

>> No.8909345 [DELETED] 

>>8907852
step 1: kill yourself

>> No.8909358

>>8907852
load up dmnsns.wad

>> No.8909467

>>8907852
DOOM Retro is my source port of choice. Keeps the look and feel of the game while adding some nice modern features, and even comes with a built-in launcher.

>> No.8909546
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8909546

>>8907936
Holy fuck, actually kill yourself, Jesus H Christ.

>> No.8909551 [DELETED] 

>>8907936
>Some garbage where I have to write in commands just to launch the game?

Holy fucking shit, do zoomers really? Its not often I say this, but you really need to fucking kill yourself right now

>> No.8909557
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>>8907936
S+++ tier bait, congrats anon.

>> No.8909609

>>8907852
>Years ago I downloaded some random one, but not being able to aim up and down was simply not acceptable for me so I deleted it in 2 minutes. I want some basic improvements to graphics and gameplay.
If you don't like Doom then you should not play Doom. Ya fucken idiot.

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>>8907949
>No mouse either.
Don't you start with this shit, m8.

>> No.8911201

>>8909280
Freelook only makes a few things a little easier on occasion, there's only one thing in Doom 2 where it makes a single thing much easier.

The whole 'infinite height' thing makes a bigger difference, but disabling that gives flying monsters a massive edge in return because now they can freely pass over a crowd of monsters on the ground as well as move above and below each other, so it can make some encounters a lot harder.

I figure, the kid may be stubborn about experiencing the game the right way, but GzDoom is largely pretty close to the original game in most ways, and if he gets a taste for it, maybe he'll eventually give the vanilla experience a chance.

I've seen zoomers on that trajectory before.

>> No.8911227

>>8907852
I used GZDoom and turned off jumping and vertical aiming.
Doom is a very different type of game from most modern FPS so it's a bad idea to try to make the controls exactly like them. The combat and map design are not designed around jumping, and there's very generous auto-aim so you don't need vertical aiming.
It's not a point-and-click modern shooter. It has much more complex/deliberate map design and enemy placement, but simpler aiming. Movement/positioning is a lot more important than accuracy.

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>>8911227
You're talking some major sense here, but OP's not listening.

>> No.8911293

>>8907852
just don't play it if you hate it so much
not that hard.

>> No.8911314
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8911314

You boneheads are posting in a troll thread.

>> No.8911368

>>8907936
>I want to aim up and down, fuckface.
You don't need to.
>he original was designed to be played with a keyboard only
It wasn't.
Use Crispy. Or use "so you want to play some fucking Doom" .png from the classic shooters thread.

>> No.8911385

>>8907852
You have two options: 1. Buy DOOM 64 on Steam. 2. If you want to play the original DOOM then download basic mods to improve graphics (mod for full hd screen expansion and textures), you can also download mods to improve physics and behavior of bots in the company

>> No.8911474

all you need is zDoom

>> No.8912093

>>8907852
I hate you so much

>> No.8912591

>>8908517
>It's gonna make the game a little bit easier for him on occasion
The only real difference freelook makes in regular gameplay is that flying enemies on screen are coded to be in the player's view it all times, so when you freelook up, a Cacodemon (to give an example) will fly up to match your FOV.

Also ignore any vanilla "freelook is cheating" purist faggots, OP. You ever notice how when you freelook in Duke3D, the perspective starts gettting warped the further you look up and down? That's the exact reason why there wasn't freelooking in DOS Doom.

>> No.8912697

>>8907862
>stop fucking around with wads
>>8907936
>I want to aim up and down, fuckface.
lol. Vertical aiming isn't something that gets added by a mod. Play the original game, without mods, in an engine that supports vertical aiming, i.e. an advanced source port. If you don't know the difference between a source port like GZDoom and a mod like Brutal Doom, then please educate yourself before posting dumb shit again.

>> No.8913502

How could you be this stupid. I refuse to believe this isn't a troll

>> No.8913514

3DO Doom supports vertical aiming.

>> No.8914717

>>8907936
>The original was designed to be played with a keyboard only
Not this shit again

>> No.8914880

>>8914717
I beat Doom 1 and 2 with the keyboard. But it definitely increases the difficulty, Hurt Me Plenty was the highest I would go.

>> No.8915246

Just get the wads and play it in GZdoom or something. Use mouselook if you really want, it honestly doesn't make much difference. It fucks up some traps but they're pretty few and far between. Just don't use jump.

>> No.8915254

>>8907936
lol good luck

>> No.8915262

>>8907852
1. Download the WAD from the retro FPS thread
2. Download Chocolate DOOM
3. Put the WAD in the same folder as Chocolate DOOM
4. Re-map the key controls because the default is retarded
Now you're all set

>> No.8915313

Why are so many of you asshurt that people don't want to get the True Experience™ of playing it at 320x280 on some 5 inch CTR monitor?
Bunch of hipocrites you are.

>> No.8915353
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8915353

>>8915313
You didn't play it like this, you didn't play the game.

>> No.8915359

>>8915353
Based!

>> No.8915365

>>8915313
>Asks how to play DOOM
>We tell you how to play DOOM
>NOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT

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>>8915353
>reverse google image search this
>from r/doom in 2018
you miserable fart-huffer.

>> No.8915393

>>8907936
Ok so you don't want to play the game.
Discussion over in two posts, next

>> No.8915406

>>8915313
Because Doom is meant to be played without vertical aim on a 14" CRT with a keyboard (optionally with mouse) at 10 - 35 FPS. Literally how people played it even on good computers when it came out.
Play how you want, but when don't ask for "true experience" or how to first experience it.

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>>8915383
Better?

>> No.8915419

>>8915412
>Amiga keyboard
While I like the setup, but what's goin on here?

>> No.8915428

>>8915412
Fake, Amiga never got a Doom port

>> No.8915904

>>8915428
>he thinks Doom hasn't been ported to everything since the source code leak
Nope, it's been ported. Here's a video from several years back of it running on an accelerated A1200.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/BrYjAjDem1k

>> No.8915908

>>8915904
>leak
*release

>> No.8916334

>>8911368
>crispy
Had to scroll too long to find this answer

>> No.8916626

I fucking hate zoomers
Anyone should play using Chocolate DOOM

>> No.8916926

>>8907936
That imagouse. Romerog Doom. mouse. Obviously you couldn't aim in y axis but you could still aimge is shit. sly you couldn't aim in y axis but you couldD still aiYou could play Wolf3 from the start wih the m with the moth a when they weren't even planning on makinking Doom. mouse. Obvioum wituse. Romero was speedrunning it with a mouse years ago

>> No.8916948

Use Chocolate Doom or play it in DOS.
If you use DOS make sure to use the novert utility to disable movement with the mouse.
WASD + mouse are a must of course.

>> No.8917025

>first time
Chocolate Doom or DOS with any input device, it's not mandatory to play KB+M. Don't like how pixelated enemies are from afar or that you can't aim vertically? Use a source port like GZDoom. Too lazy and/or retarded? Buy the games on Steam, launch and play. What order to play the games in? Release order.

>> No.8917047

>>8907852
on the nintendo switch

>> No.8917050

>>8907852
kek play the snes version first

>> No.8917084

>>8907852
I just realised that the red demons in that cover art don't actually appear in the game. Or are those supposed to be Barons of Hell? If so, it's not a good likeness.

>> No.8917123

>>8916926
You okay, anon?

>> No.8917334

>>8915406
The original game is meant to be played with keyboard and mouse and without vertical aiming, optionally a gamepad. Anything else is just details.

>> No.8917483

>>8915419
It's not just a keyboard, that's the whole computer

>>8915428
Amiga got a Doom port in like 1997 already

>> No.8917492

>>8907852
>How the fuck should I play this for the first time?
original release as the devs intended it.

>> No.8917505

>>8907852
Play with DSDA-Doom

>> No.8918910

>>8907852
>How the fuck should I play this for the first time?
GZDoom (with disabled texture filtering) + Smooth Doom (heavily recommended) + HQ sounds (pk_doom_sfx_20120224.wad) + possibly a flashlight mod (steve_flashlight_2018.02.12.pk7).

>> No.8918926

>>8918910
...or if you want to go really old school / vanilla, try Chocolate Doom (but the 320x200 pixels are GIANT on modern screens) or Crispy Doom (640x400 on modern screens looks basically like 320x200 used to look on 14 inch screens of the time). But this is pretty frustrating if you have no experience with DOS games because it looks (and plays) ancient as fuck.
Also I personally had problems with tearing in Crispy Doom (Chocolate Doom runs OK).

>> No.8918965

>>8907852
Anon you poor retard, if you want basic doom but with modern shit like widescreen resolution and using the mouse, just get gzdoom and run doom in it you complete fucking nigger.

>> No.8919393

>>8918910
>flashlight mod
Don't do this

>> No.8919408

>>8907936
>I want to aim up and down
Doom doesn't actually have any vertical axis. Everything is on a horizontal plane. There is no aiming up and down. It looks like a 3D game, but it's really a 2D game, with a first-person perspective and fake up-and-down movement that doesn't affect gameplay at all. If there is an enemy "above" you, you can shoot below it, and you will still hit it.

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>>8907852

>> No.8920194

>>8919408
>not using a source port

>> No.8920204

>>8920194
Whats a source port?

>> No.8920212

>>8917050
The first time i ever saw/played/experienced Doom was on the Snes. I was totally blown away, i had never seen anything like it except Redneck Rampage, but that was on pc this was on a Nintendo, and the red cart added to the allure.

>> No.8920492

>>8919393
Not for experiencing the core gameplay anyway.

>> No.8920504

We got a fucking master baiter here

>> No.8921462

>>8915353
My original playthrough was on my SNES because my 8088 PC wasn't capable of running it.

>> No.8921505

>>8919408
not this shit again

>> No.8921682

>>8916926
>>8917123
KEK this made me lose my shit
what the fuck anon

>> No.8922719

>>8916948
>If you use DOS make sure to use the novert utility to disable movement with the mouse.
If you're softcock casual scum, yeah. I strongly advise real men to just get used to it. If you need to change how the game plays, why not just stick to ports?

The extra precise movement it allows can be quite helpful on narrow walkways and in tight spaces (like in any modern Romero map), too. I actually use it often in both vanilla and Crispy Doom. I even have a key bound to temporarily disable mouselook and reactivate mouse movement in GZDoom because it's so useful. Nobody should play without it.

>> No.8923127

>>8922719
You're in a real minority. The mouse movement is good for Wolfenstein 3D because all terrain is flat and you always stop on a dime, whereas terrain varies a lot in Doom and you always have momentum.

Even back in the day we'd do shit like NoVert or picking out one of the rollers from the mouse when playing. At least the people I was around.
There's a good reason every sourceport, including the ones which retain just Vanilla gameplay, lets you play without it. Even the new official ones.

People don't like mouse movement for the vast majority of games, and the world had already turned its back on it by the late 90s.

>> No.8923979

>>8915365
I asked the best way to play it, not the True Authentic Autistic YOU WEREN' THERE MAN way.
Based on more helpful post I will probably go with GZDoom, Beautiful Doom and try to find something that would add some shadows too.

>> No.8923990

>>8919408
>he doesn't know
ebin

>> No.8924327

>>8907852
you're so new and normie it hurts
there's a distinction between modss and wads too, you dumb fuck

>> No.8924596

>>8919408
That "Doom is actually 2D" video has been debunked.

>> No.8925880

>>8907852
Just download GZDOOM.
It usually comes with All DOOM versions and other doom engine games, like Heretic and Hexen, packed in.