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>game sold literally millions of copies
> >$50 on ebay because it is le collectors item
what's her name /vr/

>> No.8899857

>>8899842
Basically every Pokémon game because Pokémon fans are some of the most braindead consumerist onion boys imaginable so they drive up the price.

>> No.8899863

>>8899842
since when is 50 dollars a lot
i mean i'd still just emulate it cause it's convenient and works the same but like that's not that much

>> No.8899868

>>8899842
Be thankful it's only $50.

>> No.8899870

>>8899857
I just flash cart now and I would sell my pokemon cart but unfortunately it's extremely worn because I played it to death, so probably worthless to coomlectors.

>> No.8899872

>>8899863
>emulate
Are you trying to start a fucking fight?

>> No.8899873

>>8899842
It crashed to $50? I sold both together for ~$150 a while back.

>> No.8899876

>>8899842
My property
My price
If you don't like it fuck off, should have bought it new

>> No.8899878

I don't know. I bought all the games I was interested while they were under msrp.

>> No.8899881

>>8899863
>>8899868
it really isn't a lot, it's the principle of the fucking thing. hipster faggots artificially inflate prices on anything retro because it's a fucking normie buzzword and they perpetuate this aura of rarity in the retro market when in reality the true value of your fair-condition copy of zelda is not $45 but, in fact, $20, you fucking jew.
and by the way, when every fucking game is that much, it adds up faster than you want it to. thank god for the OBO function on ebay

>> No.8899890

>>8899873
you are jewish, AND you are part of the problem but yeah. i got sorta lucky and got both for ~$45 but they hover around the $55 mark now. minor label damage is easy leverage

>> No.8899896

>>8899842
I wanted to get a repro of this but it's really hard to find. Most repros on ebay are just pokemon. I think I found one for $30 but that's too much. Also hard to make sure it has working saves before you get it.

>> No.8899898

>>8899881
If you weren't one of the hipsters you're deriding, you'd already have the games.

>> No.8899903

btw, the trick is to just have normie friends and co-workers and just bring it up.
>"oh yeah dude check it out i just bought a gbc from ebay cuz i had one when i was a kid"
>"oh nice i still have my games and crap but its in a closet and i dont play it anymore"
>oh damn really? if you wanna get rid of some of it let me know"
>t. how i got pokemon crystal and harvest moon for $20 with a bunch of other crappy movie tie-in games

>> No.8899906

>>8899898
i have plenty of them, i've been collecting shit ever since i was a teenager mowing lawns for autism money. i just can't get everything, and now that i'm grown up and have big boy money to spend it's becoming more of an annoyance

>> No.8899908

>>8899842
I was willing to buy originals back when they were $5-10. $15 or more is way too fucking much for a piece of rotting plastic. Now I just flash cart with no regrets.

Went into a used game store and saw PS4 games selling for $1-3 and had to laugh.

>> No.8899909

>>8899896
honestly just bite the bullet. there arent really any GBC repros because the mold for the plastic case isnt made by any company/chinese sweatshop so all you're gonna get is an OG GB style case. i've seen them on ebay if you really dont care but at that point i'd just emulate.
if you do buy, check out sellers accepting offers and make use of that. pretty easy to get $5 off asking price. if itt needs a new battery or has cosmetic damage then use that too.

>> No.8899913

>>8899881
Then emulate. Simple as.

>> No.8900505

>>8899873
LOL>>8899863

>> No.8900576

>>8899842
Will we ever reach a point where people understand that price isn't set by supply?

>> No.8900580

It's interesting to think that, the game cost about 30 bucks when it came out, which means, with inflation, that it's basically held it's value.

We tend to expect game prices to actively deflate in value over time, oftentimes by quite a bit.

>> No.8900721

It's a high in demand game. It's one of the best on the console. Everybody wants it, and the people that have it aren't gonna give it up because it's genuinely a good game and they want to be able to play it whenever they can. So even though it sold like crazy, supply isn't that high because most people aren't trading it around.

>le collector item
And why do you want it? You can emulate it right now. But you want to physically own it instead. And why is that? Because you wish you were one of those people you were bitching about. Projection abounds all over this board. You hate them while you wish to engage in the same thing they do. You hate yourself. You just have sour grapes because you didn't get this twenty years ago.

>> No.8900724

>>8899842
KEK

>cant afford retail msrp
>wants virtual boy shit CiB
>wants waterworld
KEKKED

>> No.8900730
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>>8899842
The state of Nintendo collecting. SEGA stuff is finally getting up there too

Of course stupid people support the scalpers and buy them anyway instead of finding some other means or just waiting for it to show up at a thrift/flea market/garage sale

>> No.8900752

>>8900724
the only people collecting virtualboy shit are mentally ill

>> No.8900763

>>8899842
>$50 on ebay because ebaybies are retarded

>> No.8900768
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8900768

>>8900721
>And why do you want it? You can emulate it right now.
This is the main reason I don't really collect unless I find games for dirt cheap. A good emulation setup will cost you some money, but not nearly as much as buying each individual game and console. Plus it's a great way to get into new platforms for the first time. Plus you can find and download complete rom sets for most consoles very easily without even having to spend money on storage space, unless it's a disc-based system or one of the more recent platforms.

I've been to online communities where people (usually the younger members) want to own consoles and games just to fit in with everybody else there, without even knowing if they'll actually enjoy playing them yet. It's sad

>> No.8900773

becoming a coomlector might be my biggest regret. Selling all my shit has been extremely hard (shitty 3rd world country)

>> No.8900803

>>8900773
I'm from Uruguay and used to collect Nintendo stuff, their stuff is expensive as fuck in South America so around 2013 i lost my job and I sold all my collection, it was hard to part with stuff from when I was a kid but I made some killer money from that, remember selling Pokemon FR complete in box for 150 bucks and Melee for 200, thankfully I got a new job but didn't went back to collecting except for DQ stuff, hell I got DQXIS on switch just because I have the same version on steam even though I don't have a switch.
I may go back to repro cartridges but I'm not sure.

>> No.8900804

>>8900768
unless you're playing on a crt emulation is the only thing you should be doing anyways
your picture quality will look like shit upscaled

>> No.8900812 [DELETED] 

>>8900803
Get out of my hobby shit skinned 3rd worlder

>> No.8900835

>The nth "MUH PROPERTY MUH PRICE" thread
I have to say, I am not into this "gotta have them all" fad, but to me it seems to me that it has become a retard fight

>"Nooooo fucking chad coomlectors! They are preventing me from getting the game I am ENTITLED to!"

vs

>"Heheh, I will sell this semi-melted cartridge my dog pooped onto for 4K on ebay, I will become rich thanks to stoopid incel coomlectors!"

>> No.8900932

>>8900752
poorfag detected

>> No.8900948

literally any gamecube or pokemon game.

gamecube pokemon games though? holy shit

>> No.8900949

Supply and demand son.

>> No.8901005

>>8899863
Just the cart of any 2 decade old game that sold millions of copies should not be 50 dollars. The game might be more fun and have more content that a new 80 dollar game, but it's not new. It's old. Very old.
For common games, this should decrease their value, not increase it.
Of course rare games will be expensive, but that's normal and not the result of undiscerning retards participating in the market.
Common old games being expensive is a mental retardation taxation.

>> No.8901026
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8901026

Why bother?
Just collect your childhood favorites, games you genuinely have a special relationship with, and then get flashcarts for the rest. These plsstic cartridges are only ultimately worth what you, as in the literal [You] reading this post, are prepared to pay for them.

And remember the context of the transaction, because we live in a society of fungible labor where people sell chunks of their limited lifespans to obtain money through work.
You should all value yourselves more.

>> No.8901028

>>8900803
Fair play anon that must have been hard. Keep collecting what you want and don't forget to enjoy the games!

>> No.8901070

>>8899842
Last time I wanted to get Mole Mania (I had an idea of getting a cartridge for every single GB/GBC game that supported SGB once I got myself a Super Game Boy) it was around 150 bucks, so I lol'd and got myself a flashcart supporting SGB boarders instead. A few years backs I've seen carts going for around fifteen dollars, so no fucking clue what happened there. I blame the pandemic though, everyone became a collector overnight.

>> No.8901083

>>8899896
Why go repro? I just did eShop, I know they games tie into one another but I still got to play them. I'm not knocking repros since I've got a few but I'm curious in a non judgemental way. I just go the cheapest route.

>> No.8901089

>>8900948
I traded the Pokemon mystery dungeon games in, got $165 after shipping, used it for fatal frame 1+2 on Xbox and still have credit left over. Insane since it's not main line Pokemon.

>> No.8901093

>>8901089
I traded in HeartGold with a pedometer for an Xbox One back in the day. Kinda scared to check the prices now, but I fully expect 'em (Pokemon games and their prices I mean) to be pants on head retarded.

>> No.8901114

>>8900835
>"Nooooo fucking chad coomlectors! They are preventing me from getting the game I am ENTITLED to!"

No, it's
>"fuck you, you made this market gay and I'm opting out and proceeding to enjoy games via flashcarts and emulation"

vs.

>Literal retardation inflation apologia

I don't personally feel entitled to anything, but I think everyone that isn't retarded or opportunistic is being deprived of a fun hobby by those who are.

>> No.8901124

>>8901093
The carts are reasonable but complete is out of control, I'd pay an ok amount for hg/ss but I'm not gonna. It's crazy how everything is expensive but games keep going up. Like shouldn't $5 gas adjust the market? Idk, not an economist nor a game investor.

>> No.8901151

>>8901124
It's like you're from Nibiru...

>> No.8901161

>>8899870
nah you could still sell it for a high price, especially if you replace save/rtc battery just make sure you say its a legit cart and post pcb photos

>> No.8901574

>>8901114
>I don't personally feel entitled to anything
You obviously do, retard.

>> No.8901584

>>8901005
wrong

prices are the end result of supply and demand; popular game & limited quantities = high price

why are you retarded?

>>8901114
no one is stopping you from playing for free in another browser tab emulating online

>> No.8901587

Fucking every Mario game, every Pokemon game, most Sonic games. Being a collector is worse than being a crack addict. Thank God for flash carts and console mods.

>> No.8901697

>>8899842
You're complaining about a meager $50? That's still below the retail price, and not that much money.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, you motherfuckers could never handle collecting something actually expensive such as guns or cars, they made more than 42 million Nagant rifles, which aren't that nice to shoot and not that nice quality, and still you're looking at paying well over $350 for one, and they're a real Babby's First Collectible.

There's also no emulator or flashcart solution for guns (and driving games and sims don't compare to the real thing even remotely), so if you ever wanted to shoot certain ones, you're either out of luck, have a lot of money, or both.
Meanwhile, a poorfag, if he still has his old NES or Genesis, can play all the games he'd ever want on those with the simple investment of a flashcart, or emulate near any on a computer for free, and that'll still give basically the full experience of playing the game aside from a few details.

>>8899881
$50 for a videogame is artificial to you? No, you have it backwards, it's the low prices games used to have which were artificial, that's the 'obsolescence slump' you get with anything as it gets dated, people get rid of it because there's "something better" and there's virtually zero demand for the old thing. Then eventually people start to reminisce about the old thing for nostalgia and what it does different to new things, looking at it as a classic, and now the demand goes up again, particularly as the old item usually isn't produced anymore and now has a fixed supply.
You see this with everything.

The only artificial part is shit like WATA where they demonstrably manipulate the market and shillbid themselves. $50 for a common videogame? Sounds reasonable enough to me, but $1.000.000 for a dirt common videogame everyone had? That's the actually scummy and shady part, not even really rare videogames that are scarce for real shot up to those kinds of prices even 10 years ago.

>> No.8901784

>>8901574
>>8901584
>>8901697
>Literal retardation inflation apologia

>> No.8901891

>>8901697
>You're complaining about a meager $50? That's still below the retail price, and not that much money.
When ROMs are free, yes that's a lot.

>> No.8901894

>>8901697
I complain because it's unreasonable, then I continue to play on my flash cart. If it's too much, I won't buy. But carts cost MUCH more than they should.

>> No.8901896

>>8901891
You've been trolled.

>> No.8901904

>>8899842
Pokemon, any of them, specially DS stuff like HGSS.

>> No.8901909

>>8901904
The problem with pokemon is that a lot of the alternatives miss features like connectivity or rtc.

>> No.8901913

>paying a retard tax
lol just get a flashcard
The prices are high because there will always be some manchildren out there willing to spend hundreds on a Mario cartridge if you wait long enough.

>> No.8901930

>>8901891
If emulating satisfies you, then why bother with a physical cart? Emulation is free after all.

>>8901894
>But carts cost MUCH more than they should.
When they're tard inflated by WATA? Yeah, I agree, but for games like Little Samson, which is rare, I don't really see a problem with it going for like $1000 or something, you already have a flashcart so you can play it without having to make that kind of investment.
If you want to collect, collector's prices for things which are harder to find is just how the world is.

>> No.8901952

>>8901697
Sorry, but when I can get a majority of the gameboy and gameboy color library under $10 (usually under $5), $50 for a game that sold millions is retarded. And yes, I can easily afford $50, but i refuse to play into reseller's speculation games.

>> No.8901959

>>8901952
If you can find them for $10, why not buy them at that price then?

>> No.8902019

>>8901959
Comprehension isn't your strong point is it?

>> No.8902043

>>8901930
I'd prefer physical carts but they are too much and I don't want to be part of the problem. Prices are sky high because people who don't even like the games started hording them. All because of "influencers" and other cancer.

>> No.8902059

The people who seethe at game prices because they want to hoard games for next to nothing at flea markets that they'll never play are worse than sealed-in-box collectors.

At least sealed-in-box collectors don't constantly whine and bitch about their stupid hobby of buying games they won't play.

>> No.8902061

>>8899908
Plastic doesn't rot you dumb fucking coon. It's the best and worst thing about the material.

>> No.8902063

>>8902059
People seethe at game prices because they're being manipulated. If it were people who were legitimately interested in collecting or playing them, prices would be significantly lower. You want people to be okay with outsiders trying to make a quick buck, and no one ever will be.

>> No.8902072

>>8900949
Does the demand count if it's from fotm retards though?

>> No.8902083

>>8902063
while it's certainly true prices are being manipulated, it's also true a lot of the people seething want some gigantic wall full of games they'll never play, like the youtuber retards that inspire them

>> No.8902090

>>8899842
nobody wants to waste their time selling a game for 10 dollars

>> No.8902157

>>8902083
Yes but people who got into coomlecting because of an influencer don't belong in the hobby and need to fuck off

>> No.8902158
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>>8899842
>Playing the inferior, non emulated version of the game

NGMI

>> No.8902340

>>8899870
Even in the days of flashcarts, real carts are still useful to use with stadium

>> No.8903517

>>8899842
Doesn't matter how big a supply something has, if the demand outstrips that supply the price will go up.

Also just because millions exist does not mean that millions are up for sale. Amount of copies that aren't up for sale are essentially irrelevant.

>> No.8903556

>>8899876
you'd get butt blasted if the same words were spoke to you by your landlord

>> No.8904036

>>8899842
I don't understand the point of this thread.
Is $50 a lot to you?
KWAB!

>> No.8904043

>>8901784
idiot.
supply and demand = literally facts
take the reality-pill anonkun

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>>8901151
I really don't interact with anyone or anything so I'm really out of touch with reality.

>> No.8904107

>>8903556
I'd call ICE if your same words were spoke to me
Or would CPS be the right call?

>> No.8904262

>>8901697
>No, you have it backwards, it's the low prices games used to have which were artificial
That's ridiculous. The price of games haven't gone up because people only recently started fondly recalling their childhood. They've spiked because auction houses and game "rating" companies have started artificially inflating the prices the same way they did with coins and baseball cards. It's even the same fucking auction houses and the same people running the "grading" services.

>> No.8904282

Super Metroid costs $300 for a CIB copy despite selling 800,000 copies and getting a Greatest Hits re-release

>> No.8904295

>>8904043
Supply and demand is fine. The problem is the demand of this market is the lead by the demands of retarded manchildren using their inexplicable abundance of disposable income irresponsibly.

>> No.8904301

>>8904295
We need to get these people wives and children instead.

>> No.8904302

>>8904282
It sold 800,000 copies but keeping the boxes for old nintendo games wasn't that common because the boxes were shitty. Old nintendo boxes are actually probably a little uncommon, especially ones in good condition.

>> No.8904350

>>8899870
How the fuck do you play Pokemon to death? It's fun yeah but after the 2nd playthrough I don't see why you'd ever want to play it again. You already seen and done everything you're just going through the same memorized motions at that point.

>> No.8904353

>>8904350
Those people are insane. They're still buying the new games despite them being the same fucking game. They've all played that same one, slightly changed, game over 20 times now.

>> No.8904356

>>8904350
NTA but you underestimate the power of autism. I have thousands of hours collectively in gen 1-3, 400 in platinum, 600 in hgss and 700/800 in bw1/bw2. Granted a lot of those were as a kid but still

>> No.8904361

the bubble......
is gonna pop......
anytime.....
soon......

>> No.8904365

>>8899857
>>8899863
>>8899842
>>8899881
Blame millennials with deep loan-lined pockets. I listed Pokemon yellow cart only with scribbles on the label for $5 on ebay and by the time it ended it was $40. This was only a few weeks ago

>> No.8904439

>>8904295
That's what gets me, where is this money coming from? I work 40 hrs a week, I try to save but after bills and necessary things I barely break even. I know I've got shit job but there aren't many options for my skill set here. I just refuse to believe everyone is some huge big deal power broker or crypto millionaire. It's gotta be a trick or something, but then again you guys are all ceos with wives and loving children.

>> No.8904447

>>8901697
>No, you have it backwards, it's the low prices games used to have which were artificial, that's the 'obsolescence slump' you get with anything as it gets dated, people get rid of it because there's "something better" and there's virtually zero demand for the old thing.
Calling this artificial is pretty poor wording because if that's so, then we can reduce all of it to artificial (and it happened collectively with less intent of money to be made than someone looking at supply and demand, definitely), but you raise a great point with this. Kind of an uncomfortable truth too. We're all upset we lived through a few years where everyone was practically throwing these away for chump change, and nowadays we're experiencing a boom in the market, specially with how many new people have entered it. Starting with me, honestly, I'm an almost poorfag who used to afford second hand games at the prices they were before, and 50 definitely starts being too much. I remember getting Viewtiful Joe, Metroid Prime and F-Zero GX at 7 euro each in a second hand store because that was from a time nobody fucking wanted anything to do with Gamecube games (2008 ish). I could not experience those games till around those times because I never bought retail in the first place, too fucking expensive. Nowadays I mostly emulate, but I still prowl second hand stores from time to time and I still find good deals once in a blue moon.

I almost never buy from internet guys though, unless it's something I really want and it's sensibly priced. I recently got Sly 2 for like 15 euro but I bet scalpers would charge you something like 40.

>> No.8904468

>>8904439
4chan is filled of clear liars all the time
>i got 50K in cash and 150K in crypto and I bought my second house in the woods what are you fags doing

>> No.8904512

>>8904439
Most of the inflated game places come from the auction houses, where people list and bid on their own stuff to drive the price up. Even if nobody buys the item, it creates the perception that the item has that value, and that idea trickles down into the regular markets. "Hey, I'm not charging the $2k THIS dude got for HIS mega man 2 cart at auction. I'm only charging a MEASLY $100! What a steal!"

>> No.8904519

>>8899881
as far as i'm concerned i put in the footwork to find the game, clean it up, create the listing, store the item, etc
i don't function any different than any other business like antiques, salvage, house flippers, etc

ultimately the value of an item is what the market will pay, and just because you sit here malding about the cost doesn't mean someone else hasn't just put a bid on it

i'm dead serious, if you want the game cheaper then get off your ass like i do and work the sales, meet the people, spend the money

>> No.8904769

>>8899842
Why doesn't Nintendo just do an open pre-order for repros of their most expensive secondhand games?
They make no money when a used game is sold, so why not get in on the action?
Bonus points if they re-release games that previously had battery-backed saves with nonvolatile memory.

>> No.8904959

>>8904769
Because A: Zoomers mostly buy digital, and B: They don't want you owning the games so they can force you to pay a subscription for something you never own.

>> No.8905012

>>8904262
>can't read

>>8904447
Right, but you got my point. It's only the recent WATA prices which are retarded and unreasonable, the time when these old games were inexpensive were a time of opportunity and they have passed, they were never gonna last and only a complete retard would think they would.

>>8904519
Exactly.

>> No.8905032

>>8905012
I can read. You're ridiculous. You're saying that old prices are somehow artificial, and then you just explain WHY demand existed. What's artificial about a lot of people demanding something, regardless of the reason?

The prices today ARE artificial, because there's NOT a real demand. People list their own things and bid on their own things to drive the prices up, which creates an ARTIFICAL price hike that isn't tied to real demand.

Learn what words mean instead of just trying to to sound clever.

>> No.8905167

Wait, what? I got both of those for about $15-20 each two years ago on eBay. When was this ever considered a collector's item?

>> No.8905176

>>8905167
They've always been "collector's items" it's just that now there are a bunch of rubes suffering beanie baby mania who think they're collectors trying to get in on it.

>> No.8905234

>>8899842
the fact millions were made is so fucking irrelevant. They made millions of mustangs - but I bet a foxbody will still go for more than its original listed price.

also just think about it. you seethe about the price. but thats because you want it. Has anyone here seen the "collectible" shoe market? its way more insane than games. 500+ dollars for 50 dollar shoes. most of the time the rubber is so dry you cant wear them. thats the thing a lot guys in here collect nothing else and have no other real hobbies outside of retro gaming. try another collection... I bet you will seethe yourselves to death.

>> No.8905238

>>8905176
>>8905167
he's lying / got lucky the capcom zelda games are collectible because.
>capcom
>zelda

>> No.8905269

>>8905238
Or I actually kept an eye on them and waited instead of jumping at the first result.

>> No.8905309

>>8899842
Everything made by Nintendo pre 2005.

>> No.8905426

>>8901697
OP here, I own several thousands of dollars worth of firearms, you nigger. And by the way, you're proving my point with the Mosin thing. No way anybody who isn't retarded would pay more than $200 for a garbage rod. It's the same thing. Artificial inflation because boomer hoarders think everything is an investment.

>> No.8905515

>>8904519
you shouldnt make getting video games to play a second fucking job you moron.

>> No.8905656

>>8905426
No, you stupid faggot, because supply was ridiculously goddamn high and nobody wanted a fucking garbage rod except for poorfags and milsurp spergs.
You could get a shittass nugget for $70 back in the 90s because there were more of them than people knew what the hell to do with.

Then importation stops, then movies and games make them slowly more visible, guns as a whole get more popular in the US and more people are interested in historical guns, and demand rises while supply stops increasing. This happened to Enfield rifles, Mauser rifles of various origins, the Nagant was never going to be different.

>> No.8905745

>>8905656
muh historical is the same argument people give for overpaying for games lol

>> No.8905983

>>8904439
How old are you? Real money doesn't usually start rolling in till your 10th+ year in your profession.

>> No.8906309

>>8904439
Where do you live? How much money do you make?

>> No.8906341

>>8904439
should've stayed at home.

>> No.8906361

>>8904439
I think there's a few things at play:
1) There's a lot of people who want to play their old games, but only want to play 1 or 2 they really loved. At that point, paying 50 bucks for each isn't that much. If you have your two favorite games you desperately want to play, paying 100 bucks for a console and 50 bucks for each game isn't even that big a deal. In a country with 330 million people, you can have a huge amount of distributed situations like this and have an impact on a market where despite any initial supply, there is a limited amount of liquidity.

2) There are actual hard collectors. And, if you make a pretty good wage then you can also pursue that pretty hard and it's not a big deal. For instance, imagine someone works in tech. Across the FANG companies there are a few hundred thousand engineers. Each of them probably make in excess of 200k a year. Let's say they wanted to buy every gameboy game to have a complete collection, and the average cost of a game was 50 bucks (my guess is the average is actually lower). For the 900 or so Gameboy games released in the US that means a full collection is about 45000 dollars. That is certainly not nothing, but it is doable with a six figure salary over several years of hunting.

3) There's a market of people who buy games to play them, and then resell them. I've known folks like this. At that point, a lot of the cost is a deposit, and may actually be profitable.

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>$150
lol, i bought both for $20 each back during the start of covid