/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8864445]

EGM had me thinking this game is trash.

What wrong opinions did you absorb from gaming rags?

[Anonymous No.8864456]

>>8864445
It's an ok game, just a really bad Zelda.

[Anonymous No.8864474]

>>8864456
>exploration
>real-time fightan
>sense of progression, your character becomes stronger as you move closer to your goal
>Link, Zelda, Triforce, all that shit is there
Seems like a good game and a good Zelda game to me

[Anonymous No.8864481]

>>8864445
I got from almost every outlet under the sun that TP was a 10/10 game. So yes, I joined in the outrage when pic related happened.

Of course, I now know Girthmann was hated because he spoke the truth.

[Anonymous No.8864483]

>>8864481
have you outgrown needing your enjoyment validated by others?

[Anonymous No.8864491]

>>8864474
>you push the buttons and stuff happens
Wow what a great Mario game

[Anonymous No.8864493]

>>8864481
I've never understood this meme. Isn't 8.8 a good score?

[Anonymous No.8864505]

>>8864491
Why isn't Zelda 2 a proper Zelda game? Can you give me one reason except for that stupid 'it's a sidescroller' argument?

[Anonymous No.8864508]

>>8864483
I guess? I went on to actually play the game, and by the end of it I felt it to be flawed and not fully deserving of all the 10/10s it was getting.
>>8864493
It IS a good score. Hell, Gamespot's scoring system at the time labeled it as Great IIRC. But Zelda fanboys (myself included) felt it to be an affront because Zelda couldn't be considered anything less than near-perfect. And this was before the game released, by the way.

[Anonymous No.8864553]

>>8864493
>>8864508
Review scores with decimal points are the dumbest idea ever; they're just there to imply some sort of incredibly objective S C I E N C E analysis, something basically pointless in the context of a piece of entertainment, and a cheap copout for the responsibility of a reviewer to stand up for his opinion AS an opinion. It's one thing when you're averaging different individual feature scores (or different reviewers' scores, as Famitsu did, which is the best method imo), but it's amazing how widespread this sort of nonsense was across vidya journalism for so many years.

[Anonymous No.8864569]

>>8864553
Review scores for games are fucked, period. Remember the IGN "9/10 it's ok" meme?

[Anonymous No.8864591]

>>8864569
Nah, I'm fine with whole number scores, even 1-10 ones even if 1-5 would suffice. They work ok as a quick bottom-line for a review as long as readers understand them as such

[Anonymous No.8864617]

>>8864591
I'm referring to the fact that often times the scores are inflated because sites and publications are wholly in bed with publishers and are pressured to give good marks to the same games they're receiving both review copies and ad space money for.

[Anonymous No.8864910]

>>8864553
>Review scores with decimal points are the dumbest idea ever
A score out of 5 is fine. A score out of 10 is unnecessary but fine, I guess. Add decimal points and you're essentially using a ONE HUNDRED point scale. It's just stupid.

[Anonymous No.8865005]

>>8864910
10 points just means 5 is the same as 0

[Anonymous No.8865015]

>>8864505
Not him, but I'm still bummed about the lack of tools and items to use for combat/platforming in Zelda 2. Sure, you have spells but it's just not the same. I'll admit that as it stands, Zelda 2 doesn't need extra tools for the action bits but I always miss having a boomerang at the very least.

I consider it a proper Zelda game, I just want to have a discussion about Zelda 2 with someone that isn't a meme goblin.

[Anonymous No.8865274]

>>8865005
Could a 5 out of 5 have bad music? To me, that'd be a 9 out of 10.

[Anonymous No.8865289]

>>8864456
It’s a great game, the only good Zelda*

[Anonymous No.8865291]

>>8864445
It IS trash though. Not to mention highly highly overated on 4chan

[Anonymous No.8865295]

>>8864505
>Can you give me one reason besides the core gameplay and level design being vastly different
Gee

[Anonymous No.8865350]

>>8864481
He still overrated it. Barely an 8 on its best, non-furshit days. God the wolf is so fucking lame.

[Anonymous No.8865363]

>>8865350
The funniest bit was when he reviewed the GameCube version, stated it to be a good improvement just from the controls, and still only bumped it to 8.9 just to cuck us Zeldafags from the 9 we were demanding. I was mad at the time, but that was well played on his part.

[Anonymous No.8865378]

>>8864910
>and you're essentially using a ONE HUNDRED point scale
Which I've also seen.

[Anonymous No.8865396]

I never had any gaming magazines lie to me. It wasn't until internet until game critique started lying to me. The only way to survive is to find a way to play the game for yourself, then decide.

[Anonymous No.8865405]

>>8864445
It was a NES sequel for sure. I think it wreaks of relevant 80's media or as being said relevant 80's media

[Anonymous No.8865417]

>>8864445
I grew up with a Mexican Nintendo mag, and they had me believe the competition (whom they rarely named, like it was taboo to even acknowledge they existed) was wholly inferior in every sense. In hindsight, so much of what was said about Nintendo vis a vis their competitors was hilarious cope, especially during the N64 days.

[Anonymous No.8865565]

>>8864445
>What wrong opinions did you absorb from gaming rags?
the only thing worse than believing in msm journalism is believing in gaming "journalism"
>>8864553
>>8864569
>Review scores

Often review scores are intimately related to how much ad $$$$ is flowing in, or like that famous case where a game was given a bad rating because the reviewer couldn't understand how to play it and found it needlesly hard...it's RETARDED to pay heed to such things

[Anonymous No.8866970]

>>8865295
You're literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.8867361]

>>8864445
iGN’s 10/10 for Skyward Sword. I’ll never forgive them. Never trusted game journos ever again.

Regarding retro games, Earthworm Jim 2 got a lot of bad press but I really liked it. AVGN hated Mission Impossible 64 but it was one of my favorite games. I read that “Psi Ops” was good somewhere but it was utter garbage

[Anonymous No.8867928]

>>8864445
When did they say that? EGM didn't start publication until a year after Zelda II was already out, and the only real mention of it I can find was when OoT was on the way and they said it was a fantastic game that was very popular, mentioning only "some" critics didn't like it because it "looked different".

What critics those are is anyone's guess as most video game magazines that covered Nintendo games didn't exist until 1989 too. Nintendo Power was the exception, not the rule.

[Anonymous No.8867937]

>>8864445
This is the best Zelda game
And Zelda ends in Ocarina

[Anonymous No.8868327]

>>8864445
Are there any good rom hacks of this that aren't over-the-top difficult? There was one I played a few years back, can't remember the name but it was one of the more popular ones. I got like three fourths of the way through it and was missing a key or something and just gave up after being stuck in the same place for days.

[Anonymous No.8869761]

Sorry for swearing guys. SOTN bad, CV64 good. I'll go wash my mouth out with soap now.

[Anonymous No.8869767]

>>8864553
>or different reviewers' scores, as Famitsu did, which is the best method imo
I have a method of reviewing where I judge each aspect of the game separately, and some parts of it can obtain a 3/2 score which basically means "This is the standard by which I will now measure this". It's granular as hell but when combined to a total score it falls apart, so it has to be taken as a big picture.

[Anonymous No.8869779]

>>8864445
i love the soundtrack of this game, it's even better than the first game's

[Anonymous No.8869810]

>>8869767
>or different reviewers' scores, as Famitsu did

Except when every reviewer has the exact same opinion, as Famitsu did.

[Anonymous No.8870201]

>>8865350
The forced wolf segments take up at most 2 hours of a 45 hour game. It's really not that bad. 8.8 is a totally fair score for TP, though.

[Anonymous No.8870214]

>>8864493
It’s miles away from 10/10

[Anonymous No.8870219]

>>8864445
I’m playing with the redux patch right now and it’s much more enjoyable than vanilla. The NPC dialogue alone transforms the experience for the better.

[Anonymous No.8870268]

I never got the hate. Zelda I and II are my favorite games despite their different styles.

[Anonymous No.8870292]

Speaking of Famitsu scores

[Anonymous No.8871494]

>>8864481
The outrage was ridiculous, but Jeff was still wrong. In fact, despite being praised for his integrity, he's still pretty shitty when it comes to actual criticism