Hardware Revisions

[Anonymous No.8862071]

If consoles were revised to make them this much smaller, why didn't they make them this small the first time around?

[Anonymous No.8862079]

>>8862071

[Anonymous No.8862081]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law

[Anonymous No.8862091]

>>8862071
They re-engineer their hardware so that they can fit in a smaller package at a lower cost.

[Anonymous No.8862157]

>>8862071
The top loader NES was just a different shell; the only internal difference was the lockout chip being dropped.

[Anonymous No.8862164]

I really want a good miniaturized N64, bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orx9CiLiQkw

[Anonymous No.8862180]

>>8862157
The chips are the same, but the board was entirely redesigned. Removing the NES ZIF cart slot and lockout chip reduced costs among other things, like removing composite video.

[Anonymous No.8862191]

>>8862071
In the case of the NES at least it could have been that small all along if you compare it to a famicom.

[Anonymous No.8862424]

>>8862191
You're right, the NES 2 / AV Famicom board is extremely similar to the regular Famicom.

[Anonymous No.8862519]

SNES Jr. and Genesis 2 had cost-reduced versions with fewer chips. They didn't do this with the NES probably because its chipset used the nearly obsolete HMOS process and it wouldn't have been worth it to redesign them for CMOS while the 16-bit consoles already had CMOS components (the 68000 and Z80 in the Genesis were HMOS but off-the-shelf components that could be swapped for CMOS variants).

[Anonymous No.8862692]

>>8862071
>they made my brain this small in the first place

[Anonymous No.8862729]

>>8862180
But the Famicom AV had composite which was its main feature, kind of think a bit, which one of the two came out first?

[Anonymous No.8863139]

>>8862071
The NES case was made big and had the front loader to convince it wasn't like the rest of the consoles that were being crapped out at the time. Same reason it has the name it does and had R.O.B. at it's release.

[Anonymous No.8863304]

>>8862091
Would all that research and development be worth it though? Wouldn't they be selling their redesigned consoles at a loss?

[Anonymous No.8863307]

>>8862071
Yeah fuck hardware Redditions they suck distended donkey balls up the ying yang either play the og console or get the FUCK out of my goddamn hobby

[Anonymous No.8863312]

>>8863304
No, because die shrink is "free", shuffling the PCB traces around is "free", and smaller die and smaller PCB costs less money.

[Anonymous No.8863313]

>>8862071
These came out really late into the console's life. By the time both the top loader and the SNES Junior had come out, their replacements had already been out for 2 years. It's like asking why they didn't just come out with the Game Boy Micro in the early 90s.

[Anonymous No.8863325]

>>8863313
I think a more fair comparison would be the Game Boy versus the Game Boy Pocket.

[Anonymous No.8863348]

Gotta love every smartass in this thread who show their passive/aggressive superiority to OP, none of whom seem to know that the NES was made big on purpose.

[Anonymous No.8863462]

>>8862071
>if sequels are better than the original game, why wasn't the original game as good from the start

[Anonymous No.8863474]

>>8863462
You can't compare software to hardware, it's like comparing apples to oranges. Games tell a story.

[Anonymous No.8863476]

>>8862079
This image is how I feel reading almost anything posted on this entire website. There isn't an ounce of critical thinking.

[Anonymous No.8863479]

>>8862071
Please keep in mind the original name for the sega master system was actually the “SEGA system”

[Anonymous No.8863480]

>>8863304
>Wouldn't they be selling their redesigned consoles at a loss?
Consoles make extremely little money compared to software, and yes, some of them were sold at a loss.

[Anonymous No.8863531]

>>8862519
I have never heard the term HMOS before. Is that just a type of NMOS?

[Anonymous No.8863632]

>>8863304
What R&D? They just swap out chipsets.

[Anonymous No.8863676]

>>8863476
So do I. Unfortunately, the worst idiots are us, for returning day after day to this awful piss-filled swimming pool.
>Verification: Not required.
I rest my case

[Anonymous No.8863678]

>>8863479
Should have been "Mister System"

[Anonymous No.8863692]

>>8863531
The original NMOS process was introduced in 1974 and used in the 8080 and 6800. It was obsoleted in the late 70s by HMOS which is improved NMOS with a smaller chip die and lower power use/heat dissipation. Only Commodore still kept using the original-style NMOS because they were backward fucks and didn't invest in any modernization.

[Anonymous No.8863706]

>>8863139
Right, at the time the public perception of tech was that bigger was better, more powerful, capable.
The idea of shrinking the tech and making it more powerful over time hadn't entered the public conscious yet.
Although there was a caveat to that we hadn't anticipated at the time, cramming more transistors into a smaller space meant more heat generation. An NES or SNES overheating is inconceivable, older PCs didn't require nearly as much cooling.

[Anonymous No.8863716]

>>8863692
>An NES or SNES overheating is inconceivable, older PCs didn't require nearly as much cooling

It is and then it isn't. Some stuff like Commodore ICs could get nuclear hot due to the ancient process used. This is because the way NMOS works, all cells in the chip draw power whether they're idling or not while in a CMOS chip only cells that are actively in use draw power. It wasn't until 486 PCs that cooling was required as the die exceeded 1 million transistors.

[Anonymous No.8863727]

>>8863139
Did the grey Zapper get any kids shot, or were slave catchers more reluctant to murder children back then?

[Anonymous No.8863730]

>>8863139
Did the grey Zapper get any kids shot, or were slave catchers more reluctant to murder children back then?

[Anonymous No.8863741]

>>8862729
Yeah I was drafting a post about how the AV Famicom is less of a "cost-reduced" model and more of an enhancement in pretty much every way, but gave up on writing it. The Famicom is a bit odd in that they sold it brand new until ~2005 in Japan, whereas the NES 2 was definitely a cheap thing for people who couldn't afford a SNES and was sold for a couple of years at most.

[Anonymous No.8865032]

Quick side note: There is a Japanese seller I know of that is selling "early model" and "late model" Super Famicoms. What do you suppose a Japanese seller would mean by "late model" units? I would assume a 1chip as those are the later units, but I'm not sure what is considered a later model.

[Anonymous No.8865054]

>>8863730
This is an absolutely ghoulish post you've written here, anon. This board is about retro games.

[Anonymous No.8865087]

>>8865054
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