Must play JRPGs

[Anonymous No.884846]

There's often threads where classic RPG virgins ask what kind of old-chool RPGs to start with (and you always get titles like Fallout and Baldur's Gate / Infinity Engine games get recommended).

Are there any such tried-and-true recommendations for JRPGs?

I was never really a fan of them, but then again I only played Septerra Core (would rate as "good for what it is, if it weren't for the horrible dungeon designs") and Final Fantasy VII (couldn't get past the first 6 hours, because I didn't like the story, the characters and the endless combat encounters out of nowhere).

I heard a lot of good things (especially from MCA himself) about Chrono Trigger. Would that be a good start?

What I'm looking for the most is a game with fun combat, a storyline that is deeper than the usual teenage crap that's FFVII+, and as little grinding as possible.

As a PC-exclusive gamer, I'd prefer recommendations that can be played on an emulator (which pretty much contains the pool of choice to /vr/-titles, I suppose), but feel free to recommend anything you like. I'll write it down if I ever have enough potato to buy a console.

[Anonymous No.884858]

>I heard a lot of good things (especially from MCA himself) about Chrono Trigger. Would that be a good start?
Yep
>What I'm looking for the most is a game with fun combat, a storyline that is deeper than the usual teenage crap that's FFVII+, and as little grinding as possible.
Then just play anything Square for the PS(X) that's not Final Fantasy, pretty much every one of their titles at that time fits these criteria.

[Anonymous No.884860]

>I heard a lot of good things (especially from MCA himself) about Chrono Trigger.
source?

[Anonymous No.884862]

Dragon Warrior/Quest 3, 4, or 5
Final Fantasy 5 or 6
Chrono Trigger
Phantasy Star 4

Chrono Trigger is probably the best because it's a shorter JRPG, doesn't have a lot of grinding, and the story moves at a nice pace throughout the game.

>potato
I've been here way too long...

[Anonymous No.884864]

>What I'm looking for the most is a game with fun combat, a storyline that is deeper than the usual teenage crap that's FFVII+, and as little grinding as possible.

You're going to be very disappointed

[Anonymous No.884872]

Planescape: Torment.

It came out on the PC too.

[Anonymous No.884873]

Shin Megami Tensei II. It's a post-apocalyptic game where you negotiate and recruit mythological creatures to fight for you. It has an alignment system that affects the plot, grinding is actively discouraged, and it's similar to really old-school WRPGs with it's first-person, tough as nails dungeon crawling. Sounds like it might be up your alley. It does require a translation patch, but that shouldn't be a problem with emulators.

The first game is also possible, but the translation patch is buggy and you'll need to look up a guide to circumvent them, the interface is less friendly, and there's random encounters out the ass.

[Anonymous No.884878]

>>884872
What part of JRPG didn't you understand?

[Anonymous No.884882]

>>884878

[Anonymous No.884891]

>>884882
Wow. What a good joke. I'm laughing so much I think I might collapse and die.

[Anonymous No.884897]

>>884891
t-thanks

[Anonymous No.884906]

The entire Tactics Ogre series. Great combat, more choices and consequences than any west game, 3D characters and Game of Thrones like story.

[Anonymous No.884909]

>>884846
>What I'm looking for the most is a game with fun combat, a storyline that is deeper than the usual teenage crap that's FFVII+, and as little grinding as possible.

Well, that would be Chrono Trigger.

Another option would be Lufia 2. You can see enemies on the map and disable them with items to run by, but if you avoid battles too often you'll naturally be underleveled. It's useful if you just want to explore a dungeon for items.
The storyline is decent. It's no teenage angst plot like FF VII, but rather a very classical RPG story about a big ancient evil that threatens to take over/destroy the world or whatever and has to be stopped.
The combat is turn-based and offers a fair bit of strategy, especially because some of the items you equip have active abilities you can use.
Lufia 2 also has extremely difficult puzzles, and by that I mean so difficult that you might get stuck for half an hour. There's one optional puzzle that most people cannot solve without a solution, I gave up after 90 minutes.
Then there's post-game content, you need to explore a randomly generated cave with a naked lvl 1 party. It's actually a bit like roguelikes, but if you find certain special chests you can start the cave with some equipment.

There's one thing you need to know about JRPGs, though:
The stories aren't as mature as games like PS:T, VtmB, Fallout and comparable games. JRPGs work differently. They're mostly about telling an endearing and conservative story, the charme most often lies in exploring the world and following mandatory sub-storylines. There are no dialogue choices and if there are they usually don't matter at all. There's also only one way to solve a quest 99% of all times.

If you expect JRPGs to offer you the exact same things as WRPGs you're going to be very disappointed.

[Anonymous No.884913]

>>884846
Chrono Trigger plays kind of like Septerra Core. It's a good entry point.

I'm not a big fan of the genre myself at all, but I know what people generally recommend. Outside of CT (* indicates that you'll need a fan translation) the /vr/ legit games are:
FF5+6
Dragon Quest 3 (SNES remake*)
Romancing SaGa 3*
Seiken Densetsu 3*
Terranigma
Lufia 2
Earthbound
SMT 1+2
Suikoden 2
Phantasy Star 4
Star Ocean 2
Xenogears
Valkyrie Profile
Parasite Eve
Vagrant Story
Skies of Arcadia
and then some SRPGs: Fire Emblem (7, not /vr/ though), Front Mission*, Tactics Ogre, Final Fantasy Tactics, Der Langrisser.

The genre is rather full of what you call "teenage crap" actually, but you might like Xenogears' story (although gameplaywise it's pretty crappy) or Vagrant Story.

[Anonymous No.884917]

>>884909
>JRPGs work differently.
That's because in Japan, games are more oriented at children, since they're meant to be played by them. They don't really have an endorsement for the "20+ year old unemployed 'bro' who stays with his parents and plays video games and does nothing all game" stereotype. That's why they don't bother having intricate stories in something as roleplaying games, or even games like Resident Evil (that are rated for adults but can only scare little children). Pretty much the only deep stories and characters you get in Japan are from Metal Gear Solid, which is obviously meant for an older audience as a child would easily get lost in all the conspiracies.

[Anonymous No.884918]

>>884873
I don't think that SMT II is the best place to start, it's going to be mostly frustrating for players new to the franchise. The gameplay is also pretty mediocre, mostly due to the dated menus. It's a good game, but I'd wager that 95% of people not familiar with SMT games will quit after a couple of hours.

If OP really wants to start with SMT I'd recommend Nocturne, even though it is not retro. If he liked it he should move on to either SMT II or the other PS2 SMTs.

You probably hate me now, do you?

[Anonymous No.884919]

>>884917
Vagrant Story

[Anonymous No.884921]

>>884918
That depends on how much experience OP has with old dungeon crawlers like Wizardry. SMT's basics are very similar to Wizardry (down to the 6 character party limit) and it also has adopted some of its merciless difficulty.

[Anonymous No.884924]

>>884918
Me? Nah, I agree that Nocturne is way better as an entry point, but I didn't recommend it because it wasn't retro.

>>884917
Aren't a lot of cutesy "moe" games aimed at otaku?

[Anonymous No.884925]

>>884921
Yeah, that's true. But since OP referred to Infinity Engine games as old-school RPGs and didn't mention anything else I assumed he didn't.
If OP enjoys old-school first person dungeon crawlers I definitely second your recommendation.

[Anonymous No.884928]

>>884917
>even games like Resident Evil (that are rated for adults but can only scare little children)

Resident Evil was never supposed to be scary, it's meant to be a love letter to cheesy B movies.

[Anonymous No.884934]

>>884924
>Aren't a lot of cutesy "moe" games aimed at otaku?

Not >>884917, but they're only a recent trend. Just like in the western world Japanese demographics changed during the last twenty years, 20-something people are now a valid target group.

[Anonymous No.884958]

Just fuck off.

[Anonymous No.885016]

>>884934
>but they're only a recent trend
They aren't. Pic related is from the 80's.

[Anonymous No.885023]

>>885016
They were very niche, though. Nowadays most JRPGs cater towards the otaku crowd.

[Anonymous No.885025]

>>884924
>Nocturne
>Anywhere near entry point
Try DDS

[Anonymous No.885029]

>>885023
Because JRPGs like Dark Souls don't exist.

[Anonymous No.885030]

>>885023
>the otaku crowd.

You do realize otaku is pretty much just "nerd" right

[Anonymous No.885037]

>>885030
Not in the western world.

[Anonymous No.885047]

>>885030
you think I care about some fuckin' nerds?

[Anonymous No.885058]

>>885025
What makes Nocturne not an entry point?

[Anonymous No.885068]

>>885029
>>885030
>>885025
I couldn't post for some reason because of the spam filter, so here's a pastebin:

http://pastebin.com/cmbjFF8D

[Anonymous No.885091]

>>885025
you're acting as if jrpgs are so complicated that they actually require a entry-point to truly appreciate others in the genre. Which, obviously, they're not. To appreciate pretty much any jrpg including nocturne you really only need a solid foundation in video games in general. And after that, you have to be able to get past the many flaws inherit to the genre which won't really helped by playing other jrpgs. Hell, the only major reason smt is anything special is because it actually attempts to limit some of these flaws and you really only need to have played any basic jrpg to see what they did.

[Anonymous No.885116]

>>884928
No... that's only what you retrospectively think to ad hoc explain why the story is so bad.

It's just Japanese writing.

[Anonymous No.885139]

Krono Tirg
Final Fantasy IX
Breath of Fire III
Final Fantasy Tictacs
SaGa Frontier II

.best three i've ever play

[Anonymous No.885158]

>>885058
Two words: Turn Press

[Anonymous No.885160]

>>885158
But DDS has that, too.

[Anonymous No.885169]

>>885160
Well, fuck me then.

I still think DDS games are easier though, I can't remember any instance of an enemy raping my party by exploiting my weaknesses.

[Anonymous No.885179]

>>885023
Popful Mail
Ys
Rance
Langrisser

They've always mostly appealed to the otaku crowd. The difference is, the tastes of the otaku crowd have changed, which is why a lot of modern anime-esque stuff looks "moe".

[Anonymous No.885208]

>>885179
>They've always mostly appealed to the otaku crowd. The difference is, the tastes of the otaku crowd have changed, which is why a lot of modern anime-esque stuff looks "moe".

True.

[Anonymous No.885242]

Live A Live is pretty damn good. It never came out overseas, but there is a translation patch for it.The ninja chapter and prehistoric chapter can be pretty annoying the first time around though so I'd do those later, but the mecha, kung-fu, and unlockable chapter after you beat the first seven is really good.

[Anonymous No.885272]

the jrpg is infamous for being incredibly easy and simple

any of them would be good first picks

[Anonymous No.885302]

Dark Cloud 1 and 2.

[Anonymous No.885339]

>>885030
>You do realize otaku is pretty much just "nerd" right
no it isn't otakus are fucking creepy and their obsessions makes heavy autists look completely sane

they'll also buy stupid shit, that's why companies pander to them so much

weaboos like to call themselves otakus and think it's cool cause it's a japanese word and 99% of them know shit about Japanese language, history and culture

[NeoGeo Collector No.885360]

>>885339


I have to agree with this. Real hardcore otakus are the kind of people you want to share something.


I have seen them at Toranoana, Comiket, Mandarake, Maid Cafes and in general in Akihabara.

the sight of them is really saddening.

>>885208
this is why I dont watch 99% of todays anime anymore. too much moe, lesbians and fanservice.

[Anonymous No.885375]

>>885360
>too much moe, lesbians and fanservice.
Go back to >>>/v/

[NeoGeo Collector No.885391]

>>885375


you retarded or just poor at trolling?

[Anonymous No.885398]

Jesus Christ "modern" jrpgs (past the snes era) are so god damn infuriating.

>Look at me! I'm a complete faggot and I'm only 12 years old! See how cool my hair is?
>OMG BAD GUY HE LOOKS LIKE A WOMAN AND PUTS EVEN MORE GEL THAN ME, DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS POSSIBLE, I HAVE TO STOP HIM CAUSE HE MAD

[Anonymous No.885407]

>>885375
I don't actually care about this thread but I just feel like butting in and saying that those things are what /v/ is all about. Actually, /v/, and perhaps 4chan in general is kind of a western analogue to "otaku." Or at least, the stereotypical 4channer is, it's a lot more normal-faggy these days.

[Anonymous No.885410]

>>885398
>Look at me! I'm a complete faggot and I'm only 12 years old! See how cool my hair is?
>OMG BAD GUY HE LOOKS LIKE A WOMAN AND PUTS EVEN MORE GEL THAN ME, DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS POSSIBLE, I HAVE TO STOP HIM CAUSE HE MAD
You just described the SNES era JRPGs perfectly.

[Anonymous No.885423]

>>885410
To a lesser extent... FF6, Secret of Mana 1 & 2 weren't so bad.

[Anonymous No.885424]

>>885398
>Not fapping to Kuja
What are you, gay or something son?

[Anonymous No.885429]

>>885407
/v/ is different from most other boards. They love their brown and bloom.

[NeoGeo Collector No.885435]

>>885429


last time I checked, starting a thread about CoD, GoW or Battlefield ensued in a rage-fest.

[Anonymous No.885452]

>>885360
anime is treated like a marketing vehicle for shitty merchandise now, the overall quality of it dropped significantly cause of it

there's less western influence in anime now which is bad for me, also anime studios can't count on the western market cause weaboos have a wannabe otaku mentality and gobble that moe shit like no tomorrow thinking it will make them look hardcore

thankfully the manga market holds up, but still i want more of cyberpunk anime you were so good at that genre Japan

[Anonymous No.885461]

I'd check out the Y's series, they're fantastic games.

[Anonymous No.885472]

>>885452
>anime is treated like a marketing vehicle for shitty merchandise now, the overall quality of it dropped significantly cause of it
Have you looked at the anime made in the 70's? About half of them were cheaply made super robot monster-of-the-week shows designed to make kids buy toys.

[Anonymous No.885506]

>>885429
Fuck no. /v/ loves bright and happy colors and generally hates 'brown and bloom.' It's part of their "Oh this is popular? Then we're gonna like the opposite!" image.

[Anonymous No.885513]

>>885360
Anime being 'moe' centric is nothing new, it's being that way long before the 00's. You just didn't get those impression like in the 80's because those shows weren't imported over here. But with the internet, it is much more easy to notice them.

[Anonymous No.885523]

Live-A-Live
Terranigma
Xenogears

And actually play FFVII before you classify it as the "usual teenage crap". it's actually pretty good

[Anonymous No.885525]

>>885513
this

[Anonymous No.885528]

>>885513

[Anonymous No.885574]

>>884913
That and I add:

Breath of Fire series - 1 is meh, 2 is good but grindy, 3 I hate but everyone else loves, 4 is amazing. If you have to pick only one go with 4. 5 isn't /vr/.

Also Chrono Cross and Radical Dreamers after you are done with Trigger.

[Anonymous No.885580]

I guess none of you fucking hipsters has actually played dark cloud then.

[Anonymous No.885645]

>>885580
Just started Crono Trigger, but man I don't like this protagonist. Looks like he flew outta DBZ or something.

[Anonymous No.885650]

>>885645
The character designs were done by Toriyama himself, so yeah.

[Anonymous No.885660]

>>885574
Should note about BoF2 that there's a fan re-translation that improves the game quite noticeably. Now if only 4 would get something like that.

And fyi, a lot of 3's popularity likely comes from being the first one for PSX, which many people started with.

[Anonymous No.886932]

>>885580
That early 3D action adventure about barbarians? I did.

[Anonymous No.887107]

>>885574
How does BoF:DQ compare with the rest? Provided I don't particularily care about the story.

[Anonymous No.887124]

>>884917
>20+ year old unemployed
ok dude, i'm sad now...
playing saga frontier 2

[Anonymous No.887128]

>>885339
why 4chan hate weabos and autistic person so much?

[Buzzclaw No.887130]

>>885023
>Disgaea will never be /vr/-related

[Buzzclaw No.887136]

>>887128
Because everyone on 4chan is a weeaboo or an autist.

It's self-loathing.

[Anonymous No.887139]

>>887136
sometimes i think it too.
this guy posted this right on this board:
>It is official: 4chan users are stuck in their own little world of nostalgia and are in mid-life crisises.
this is what he thinks about himself

[Anonymous No.887149]

>>885574
>>885660
>>887107
breath of fire is my favorite franchise of all time
even the 5 is awesome if you're not critique

[Anonymous No.887269]

No one here recommends Grandia?! Its a shame cause it has such a great battlesystem and a nice cast!

pic related, awesome place

[Anonymous No.887284]

>>887269
Too bad it turns unplayable midways thanks to NOT PICTURED

[Anonymous No.887459]

>>885645
Endure. You won't regret it.

>>885660
Is it that different? I haven't played it yet and there are way too many titles in the way before I play that for the nth time.

>>887107
Never played it but I hear it is a good game while being a terrible Breath of Fire (lorewise).

>>887269
My bad, Grandia is totally awesome.

[Anonymous No.888412]

>>885116
No... that's just what you want to believe to support your bizarre racial prejudices vis a vis video game creation.

[Anonymous No.888493]

>>887284
i know hyperbole is the hip thing these days but christ,unplayable due to rapp? that bimbo trio and 'totally not a moogle or thinly veiled stereotype' Guido were far more irritating, sure rapp sucks, but hes just kinda there, even if its for no reason.

[Anonymous No.888663]

>>888493
It's not hyperbolic when it's still true.

[Anonymous No.888967]

>>884921
>Wizardry "difficulty"
>actual difficulty
laughing buzzwords.jpg

[Anonymous No.889148]

>CTLR+F
>"Anachronox"
>0 results

C'mon guys, it's literally the best JRPG ever in terms of storyline/writing & character depth.

And it was made by a Western studio. Literally the perfect recommendation.

[Anonymous No.889240]

>>885023
>Bought Agarest War Zero, hoping for a good tactical rts in the vein of FFT and Tactics Ogre
>what
>the
>fuck

[Anonymous No.889252]

>>885410
Name even one SNES JRPG like that.

[Anonymous No.889328]

>>889148
I should really get to it one day. I have the cd and everything, I've just have got the time yet

One question, how grindy is it?

[Anonymous No.889363]

Im pretty new to JRPGs myself, so far Ive played through these from first to most recent:
FF6
FF9
Earthbound
FF7
I honestly didnt enjoy FF7 all that much but 6 and 9 are both really good and Earthbound is awesome. I only bothered finishing FF7 to see what all the fuss was about, it got better when Aeris died but still wasnt close to as good as 6 or 9.

[Anonymous No.889394]

>>889148
>>889328
Just watch it on YouTube. The cinematic director spliced together a movie out of the game and it's got everything worthwhile about it.

[Anonymous No.889532]

>>888967
What (J)RPGs have "actual difficulty" according to you, then? Just because it's not reflex based and doesn't cater to powergamer fags doesn't make it not difficult.

[Anonymous No.889595]

>>884917

Yes and no. They CAN be played by children, but they're effectively all ages. At that time only PC games were for "20+ year old unemployed/NEET" guy.

[Anonymous No.890045]

Definitely play DQ5, I honestly think it's the best in the series

[Anonymous No.890049]

Final Fantasy 6.

[Anonymous No.890063]

>>884846
If you don't like a genre, don't sweat it.

Why is this complicated? It's entertainment. Pick the options that entertain you, and every person for himself.

[Anonymous No.890318]

>>889328
Not grindy alone, and the combat is very fun.

[Anonymous No.890389]

I highly recommend Genso Suikoden 2.

Septerra Core isn't a JRPG btw.

[Anonymous No.890404]

Here's a little list of snes\ps1 RPGs I made some time ago in a thread with the help of kind /vr/ anons, hope it helps:

PS1
Azure Dreams
Grandia
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Vagrant Story
Breath of Fire III & IV
Wild ARMs 1 & 2
Xenogears
Suikoden II
Legend of Mana
The Granstream Saga
Tales of Destiny
Tales of Destiny II
Final Fantasy Tactics
Front Mission 3
Beyond the Beyond
Wizardry - NAoL
Koudelka
Legend of Legaia
Legend of the Dragoon
Vandal Hearts
Parasite Eve I
Parasite Eve II

SNES
FFIV
FFV
FFVI
Tales of Phantasia
Chrono Trigger
Live-A-Live
Robotrek
Super Mario RPG
Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu III
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy III (VI)
Dragon Quest III
Lufia
Lufia II
Wizardry 5
Romancing SaGa 3
Treasure of Rudra
Soul Blazer
Illusion of Gaia
Terranigma
Secret of Evermore
Breath of Fire I
Breath of Fire II(Use the retranslation patch)
Emerald Dragon
Drakkhen
Dragon View
Star Ocean
Bahamut Lagoon
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together

[Anonymous No.890437]

>>890063
JRPG is hardly a real genre, there's so much different stuff. Terranigma is so different from Super Mario RPG for example.

[Anonymous No.890467]

Chrono Trigger
Terranigma and the others from the Soul Blazer trilogy. The other two games are kind of light on RPG elements, though.
Tales of Phantasia
FF V & VI
Earthbound
These are my favorite SNES JRPG.

[Anonymous No.890472]

>>884846
SaGa 1 is a neat game. Kinda broke and kinda annoying, but also neat.

[Anonymous No.890475]

>>890437
>>890437

And that's fine because Terranigma is an action rpg

[Anonymous No.890483]

>>890389
>Septerra Core isn't a JRPG btw.
It plays like a JRPG.

[Anonymous No.890482]

>>890472
It's not a very good entrypoint to the series, SaGa 2 or RS3 are much better for that.
>>890404
>recommending Beyond the Beyond, Drakkhen and Lufia 1
>FF6 listed twice
>not a single Megaten game listed

[Anonymous No.890489]

[Anonymous No.890490]

>>890482
Didn't see that double entry, thanks. No one reccomended it in the thread, I played it but I don't think it belongs there. Gonna add anyway, thanks

[Kage !!CKhi3Y7AOqx No.890705]

Paper Mario. It's the pinnacle of RPG's inm terms of gameplay/overworld gameplay

[Anonymous No.890727]

If you play Rhapsody a Musical Adventure and don't like it-jrpgs aren't for you.

[Anonymous No.890753]

PHANTASY STAR IV. ULALA COMMANDS IT.

[Anonymous No.890781]

>>890705
Is this a troll post?

[Anonymous No.890834]

If you think FF7 has too many random enocunters (serioiusly, they're light) you're pretty much writing off 90% of the good JRPGs.

If I can get past the horribly dull & slow paced point 'n clickery of semi modern WRPGs like Baldur's Gate and manage to enjoy them regardless then you need to do the same and get over your phobia of random encounters.

Once you're man enough to clobber any monster that pops up on your screen, I recommend Phantasy Star 4 for it's easymode difficulty and therefore beginner friendliness. It's got a pretty nifty setting and plot too, I think.

[Anonymous No.891141]

>>890483
And like most turn-based wrpgs. It's still not a jrpg.

Wrpg is a pretty dumb term though as it groups games from russian, poland, germany, france, uk and usa together.
And jrpg isn't much better.

It literally says nothing about the games.

[Anonymous No.891150]

King's Field and Shadow Tower

[Anonymous No.891160]

>>891141
>It literally says nothing about the games.
That's why people who've already realized this use them to group games with similar gameplay semantics as opposed to similar countries of origin.

[Anonymous No.891170]

>>891160
That makes equally little sense.

[Anonymous No.891175]

>>891170
>grouping games by how they play
What poppycock indeed sir!

[Anonymous No.891223]

>>891175
Terranigma and Final Fantasy 8 are both considered jrpgs.
Do they play the same?

[Anonymous No.891238]

>>891223
One is an action-rpg and the other turn-based. Like >>891160 said, grouping by country of origin ("J"RPG) makes less sense than grouping by play-style.

[Anonymous No.891249]

>>891223
Diablo and Ultima 4 are both considered WRPGs.
Do they play the same?
Doom and ARMA 2 are both considered FPS.
Do they play the same?
Ogre Battle and Starcraft are both considered RTS.
Do they play the same?

[Anonymous No.891273]

>>891141
Yes it is. JRPG is a genre, not "MUST BE JAPANESE"-RPG. Just like spunk-gargle-wee-wee is also a genre name to describe Call of Dooty like games (TM by Yahtzee).

[Anonymous No.891293]

fuckwit OP asks for one fucking game and people are making lists

if you dont like chrono trigger, you dont like jrpgs and shouldn't bother with them anymore

[Anonymous No.891298]

>>891293
>if you dont like chrono trigger, you dont like jrpgs
>if you don't like mario, you don't like platformers
I don't like Chrono Trigger and I love tons of jrpgs.

[Anonymous No.891308]

>>891223
Never played Euronigger, so I wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.891315]

>>891293
If you don't like Call of Duty you don't like fps

[Anonymous No.891326]

>>891298

This has to be the most idiotic thing Ive heard in my life. Did you play it on the cart when it was released? You cannot "like" jrpgs and then not like Chrono Trigger, thats like "liking" fps and not liking Doom. It means you're 20 fucking years old and are talking about things that happened when you were shitting a diaper.

which brings me to

>>891315

do I have to explain why this argument is fallacious? if so, you wouldnt understand the explanation-make an effort to use logic if you're going to respond

[Anonymous No.891354]

>>891249
Yes
Yes
Yes

[Anonymous No.891360]

>>891326
You cannot "like" platformers and then not like Mario World, that's like "liking" fps and not liking Doom. It means you're 20 fucking years old and are talking about things that happened when you were shitting a diaper.

[Anonymous No.891625]

What can change the nature of a Japanese RPG?

[Anonymous No.893140]

>>891625
Good writing (by a European).

[Anonymous No.893184]

>>891326
>do I have to explain why this argument is fallacious?
Yes, please do so. I'd love to hear that.

[Anonymous No.893663]

>>891141
>Wrpg is a pretty dumb term though as it groups games from russian, poland, germany, france, uk and usa together.

Americans use it so they can group European games like Witcher in with their body of work to try and seem relevant compared to Japan.

[Anonymous No.893667]

>>893140
Good luck finding any of that these days

[Anonymous No.894197]

>>891223
the problem here is that you've confused similar design structure with similar gameplay. Just like how we don't define the entire genre of RPG by gameplay, no one defines the genre of wrpg by its gameplay. Because that's actually as stupid as defining a genre based on where it was created. A far more intelligent view on the usage of japanese/western would be that jrpgs base their rpg form on how the japanese view rpgs and wrpgs use ideas about rpg form heavily influenced by how the west (aka not oriental) view rpg form.
And obviously, there are some very clear and distinct differences between how the japanese interpret the genre and how the 'west' do. But there's absolutely no reason a jrpg can't be made in america and a wrpg can't be made in japan.

[Anonymous No.894302]

>>891360
yes you can. You can like only certain parts of platformers or fps game and thus mainly enjoy games of the genre that mainly focus on those certain parts. You might enjoy the entire shooting aspect of doom and but don't care for its fast pacing so you switch to more realistic shooters. Doom's fast paced pure-fps gameplay is not the only kind of fps out there and it'd be incredibly stupid to assume that you must enjoy doom if you play fps games in general just because everyone else enjoys it.

[Anonymous No.895580]

Every time I open this thread it crashes my Mozilla Fox-set-on-Fire.

[Anonymous No.899308]

>>889394
Is it really that bad? I planned to play it this summer.

[Anonymous No.899348]

>>885023
>Nowadays most JRPGs cater towards the otaku crowd.
Just like in the past.

[Anonymous No.899350]

>>885452
> anime is treated like a marketing vehicle for shitty merchandise now,

Now? Guess you don't know what Dragon Ball is.

[Anonymous No.899356]

>>885360
> this is why I dont watch 99% of todays anime anymore. too much moe, lesbians and fanservice.
Yeah, Love Hina never existed.

[Anonymous No.899371]

>>899348
I really dislike this trend of "perfect looking" characters in modern JRPGs. Everybody looks squeaky clean and plasticy, imperfections like wrinkles that'd actually make the characters feel more human aren't allowed in the otaku-centric universe it seems.

[Anonymous No.899378]

>>899371
Yeah this modern trend sucks

[Anonymous No.899379]

>>899371
Basch should have been the main in FF12

[Anonymous No.899382]

>>899378
Fucking otakus ruined everything

[Anonymous No.899391]

>>899382
In the past we had realistic-looking characters with wrinkles, now everything looks like an anime

I hate modern jRPG's

[Anonymous No.899396]

>>899391
Moe and fan-sevice ruined everything

[Vile No.899401]

>>899382
>>899391
>>899396
Hate to ruin your fun, but FF has always been like that. There was just more room for imagination with the older games, so we imagined them based on a handful of pixels and their dialogue / actions.

[Anonymous No.899406]

>>899401
And they were better off because of it. More room for imagination isn't bad. And I liked how Amano's designs actually made the game look like an oriental fairytale instead of some clothing designer's nightmare.

[Vile No.899409]

>>899406
That was the style, nothing more. If you look at the same characters, same design, hell same damn poses and everything in a different artstyle it would look drastically different.

And the time for imagination on visuals has long since passed.

[Anonymous No.899410]

>>899391
The only jrpgs I play nowadays are alicesoft games...

[Anonymous No.899412]

>>899409
>If you look at the same characters, same design, hell same damn poses and everything in a different artstyle it would look drastically different.
>in a different artstyle
No shit sherlock
>And the time for imagination on visuals has long since passed.
Besides the pressure of publishers, why?

[Vile No.899416]

>>899412
Because at the standard we are at now, we can visualize characters down to individual pores. In a visual sense, there is no more room for imagination because it's all rendered in striking detail.

And don't you dare bring up "indie games" because those are a blight on the industry.

[Anonymous No.899421]

>>899416
>Because at the standard we are at now, we can visualize characters down to individual pores.
We CAN. Why SHOULD we? Do you also think that books have no purpose now that we have movies?
>In a visual sense, there is no more room for imagination because it's all rendered in striking detail.
Wrong. More detail = less imagination demanded from the viewer.
>And don't you dare bring up "indie games" because those are a blight on the industry.
Yes, that's why the best RPG of the last 7 years is an indie game.

[Vile No.899451]

>>899421
>We CAN. Why SHOULD we? Do you also think that books have no purpose now that we have movies?
Books are a completely different medium than movies. This isn't about switching or changing mediums, this is advancing in the same medium. Your comparison is shit. We should because if we don't continue improving things will grow stale. If you're one of those people who believe we should stay with the retro look, you're a fool who probably didn't grow up with games.
>Wrong. More detail = less imagination demanded from the viewer.
That's what I said. Read that again.
>Yes, that's why the best RPG of the last 7 years is an indie game.
Debatable, and depends on what you consider to be an "indie developer". I consider them to be small, budget constrained teams who do their best to push boundaries and enhance the medium to the best of their abilities. A good example of this would be DOOM. A terrible example of this would be Shitcraft.

There are of course a few good titles out there from indie developers, Bastion, Amnesia, Cube World, Rogue Legacy as there always has to be exceptions to the norm. But for the most part, it's a huge grove of bad ideas and disappointment. Minecraft, Meat Boy, Shoot Robots, And yet it moves, the examples are practically endless.

It all comes down to a difference in challenge. Did they make a challenging game, or a baby-mode readyforyouriphone hunk of boring?

[Anonymous No.899470]

>>899451
>Books are a completely different medium than movies.
They aren't. Both (generally) tell a story, one of them does via text (but might include pictures), the other does via visuals and sound (but might include text). Then you have games, which provide gameplay, this might be via text (interactive fiction), high-def visuals and sound, or anything inbetween. You don't "advance the medium" by indulging in either of these extremes, you just make a different kind of game.
>If you're one of those people who believe we should stay with the retro look, you're a fool who probably didn't grow up with games.
Ad hominem
>That's what I said. Read that again.
And you've implied that filling out the blanks in videogames by imagination is somehow supposed to be an outdated concept just because "we have the technology".

And sudden you're dropping indie title names here and there like nothing. That's some "blight on the industry" right there eh? Thank god the industry helps fight the indie cancer with amazing deep titles such as Tomb Raider Dark&Brown and Bioshit Infinite.

And Meatboy is a challenging game.

[Anonymous No.899551]

I've never played a single true Final Fantasy game and on this board I don't think Revenant Wings or Dissidia counts.

Which one should I start off with: I, II, IV, or VI?

[Anonymous No.899576]

VI is pretty friendly to new players, FFI is simple but the direction is utter garbage so if you don't want to use any outside source from the game itself I don't recommend playing FFI until you will.

[Anonymous No.899586]

>>899551
Also never play II because it's crap, I don't care that they tried something new. I know I was excited for a similar game to FFI for the second game and all I got was even worse direction and horrible enemy placement. Which was kept in all remakes I might add (granted the remakes made leveling up much more tolerable)

[Anonymous No.899674]

>>899416
>Because at the standard we are at now, we can visualize characters down to individual pores. In a visual sense, there is no more room for imagination because it's all rendered in striking detail.

So then stop using that level of technology. Barely any good games go that far anyway, hell every good game released this year has been pretty cartoony.

>And don't you dare bring up "indie games" because those are a blight on the industry.

Believe it or not, Western indie titles do not make up the entirety of the "indie" genre

[Anonymous No.899678]

>>899551
Start with 1, ignore the haters, then go on in order - 2 and 3 on the NES got fantranslations, as did 5 on SNES, so just play original versions for them all.

[Anonymous No.899680]

>>899586
So don't play one of the best FFs because you personally sucked at it? Get out.

[Anonymous No.899682]

>>899551
IV or VI

[Anonymous No.901324]

>>899308
It's actually a good game. Definitely worth at least one playthrough. The only thing bad I will say about it is no sequel.

[Anonymous No.901372]

>>899680
Not the same guy, but please explain what's so good about FF2? I personally thought it was the worst FF as well, but then again, I like FF3, and that gets some hate for some flippy floppy reasons.

[Anonymous No.901387]

>>901372
Not him but I'd say he likes it because FF2 is one of the most "free" FFs out there, a lot of freedom in regards to exploration and customizing your characters in comparison with the rest of the series, the payoff is the ginormous wall of grind. Still if you're looking for these aspects in RPGs I don't know why one should be bothering with FF2 instead of Wizardry 6 or something.

That is, unless he's one of those idiots that still call FF4 "FF2". And even then, FF4 isn't good either

[Anonymous No.901394]

>>901387
Yeah, FF4 seems to be the most overhyped FF in my opinion, but it's not a bad game.

[Anonymous No.901443]

>>890482
Holy Fuck. Lufia 1 was so fucking atrocious. I almost turned down it's prequel because it was so bad. Glad I didn't though.

[Anonymous No.901591]

>>899308
The combat is boring, you'll be using the same thing over and over and over and over again. The controls are kind of dumb and the game crashes on modern PCs.

[Anonymous No.901741]

>>901387
No, I meant the actual FF2. And yeah, other games might do it better, but that doesn't make FF2 bad or even skippable.

[Anonymous No.901749]

>>901443
It's a shame, because Lufia 1's ending is so good, and yet you need to play through such a terrible game for it. I've tried to replay it after playing 2, but it's just so DULL.

[Anonymous No.901836]

>>901749
>>901443
am i the only person who liked the first game better than the second one

[Anonymous No.902240]

>>891249

>Diablo and Ultima 4 are both considered WRPGs.
>Do they play the same?
Wrong Diablo is isometric hack n slash, ultima is RPG

>Doom and ARMA 2 are both considered FPS.
>Do they play the same?
Doom is arena FPS Arma 2 is FPS/FPS sim


>Ogre Battle and Starcraft are both considered RTS.
>Do they play the same?
Starcraft is an RTS ogre battle is kinda turn based

[Anonymous No.902331]

>>902240
>Wrong Diablo is isometric hack n slash, ultima is RPG
Diablo and DMC are both considered hack n slash.
Do they play the same?
>Doom is arena FPS Arma 2 is FPS/FPS sim
So they're subgenres of the same genre, thanks for proving that point.
>Starcraft is an RTS ogre battle is kinda turn based
"Kinda turn based"? What? Either a game is real time or not. And OB most definitely moves in real time.

[Anonymous No.902336]

>>901839
Wrong board

>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.902337]

>>901749
I would recommend just watching it on Youtube. Thankfully I played 1 first. No way I could go back to that if I played 2 first.

[Anonymous No.906823]

>>901741
>No, I meant the actual FF2. And yeah, other games might do it better, but that doesn't make FF2 bad or even skippable.
Depends what games you are talking about. If you are talking about other Final Fantasy games then no. If it is the games the creator of Final Fantasy II did then I would agree with you.

[Anonymous No.907132]

Anyone alpha enough to have been played this?

[Anonymous No.907251]

>>884862
Are companions customisable in DQIII beyond the class change system? I was pretty dismayed with the first Inn have three pre-set companions.

[Anonymous No.907284]

>What I'm looking for the most is a game with fun combat, a storyline that is deeper than the usual teenage crap that's FFVII+, and as little grinding as possible.
Pic related. Best jRPG ever. Only downside is that you need a guide to get the plot explained and full ending, because the way to get the correct ending is OBSCURE AS FUCK WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.

[Anonymous No.907317]

>>907284
it actually becomes more clear once you understand why its called a "seal" but it is obscure at first, yes.

[Anonymous No.907352]

>>907284

>tfw your inner completionist can't handle the fact that you get less golden eggs when going for the good end.

[Anonymous No.907406]

>>907251
Second floor of the inn.
Name, class, stats and personality (if you know how to abuse the stat distribution) from scratch.
Those pre-made characters are just there for flavor.

[Anonymous No.908473]

>>907284
It doesn't help that the game is imbalanced as fuck and pretty much the only two viable skills are Guts + Auto Item. Yeah I know what you're thinking,
>balance in a singleplayer game
but there is a certain point where imbalance starts to hinder even a singleplayer game's quality, because of the majority of its options being plain unviable.

[Anonymous No.908480]

>>899391
Are you...are you being sarcastic? Because Grandia looks and feels very anime.

[Anonymous No.908501]

>>899371
Well, FFXV has much more realistic characters. There is still some hope left.

[Anonymous No.908507]

>>908501
FFXV appears to be one of the worst offenders yet.

[Anonymous No.908527]

Final Fantasy sure came a long way.

-> unique and customizable characters and different jobs -> unique not-so-customizable characters with different races and sexes -> mostly humans with different sexes -> all humans with different sexes -> all human males

[Anonymous No.908714]

>>908501
>FFXV
>literally every character is a flawless Japanese fashion model

[Anonymous No.908715]

God tier:
FFVI, Chrono Trigger, FFVII, FF Tactics, Xenogears, FFIX, Vagrant Story

Very High tier:
Earthbound, Dragon Quest V, Der Langrisser, Alundra, Star Ocean 2, Breath of Fire III, Grandia, Suikoden II, Valkyrie Profile, Final Fantasy V, Ogre Battle: MotBQ, Tactics Ogre LUCT, Front Mission 2, Front Mission 3, Panzer Dragoon Saga

High tier:
Phantasy Star II, Phantasy Star IV, Ys III, Front Mission, Dragon Quest III, Final Fantasy IV, Super Mario RPG, Illusion of Gaia, Lufia, Lufia II, Tales of Phantasia, Shining Force III, Suikoden, Breath of Fire IV, Chrono Cross, Threads of Fate, Legend of Mana, Persona II E.P. / I.S., Lunar SSSC, Lunar 2: Eternal Blue, Wild Arms, Wild Arms 2nd, Dragon Quest VII, Brave Fencer Musashi, Vandal Hearts, Vandal Hearts II, SaGa Frontier, Legend of Dragoon, Tales of Destiny, Tales of Eternia, Parasite Eve, Skies of Arcadia

Okay tier:
Phantasy Star, Phantasy Star III, Shining Force I, Shining Force II, Ys IV, Dragon Quest IV, Dragon Quest II, Star Ocean, Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu III, Shadowrun, Terranigma, Soul Blazer, Albert Odyssey, Legend of Legaia, SaGa Frontier II,King's Field, King's Field 2, Digimon World, Digimon World 2, Digimon World 3, Brigandine

Meh tier:
Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow, Pokémon Gold/Silver, Dragon Quest I, Dragon Quest VI, Final Fantasy I, Arcana, Final Fantasy VIII, Secret of Evermore, Jade Cocoon, Beyond the Beyond, The Granstream Saga, Azure Dreams, Arc the Lad, Arc the Lad II, Arc the Lad III, Hoshigami

Low tier:
Dragon Quest II, Final Fantasy II, Alundra 2, Shadow Tower

Shit tier:
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, The 7th Saga, Quest 64

You will never play it tier:
All those jp-only JRPGs on the SNES.

[Anonymous No.908727]

>>908715
>VI, Trigger in God, not just high/very high.
dropped like a sack of bricks.
Otherwise, bretty gud.

[Anonymous No.908856]

>>908715
>no SMT games
>only SaGa game is SF2
Absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.908872]

>>908856
Nigga you blind.

[Anonymous No.908904]

>>908715
The list would be better if you reversed the tiers.

[Anonymous No.908917]

Play SMT2 or Soul Hackers

Bitch nigga

[Anonymous No.908921]

>people who think FF6 is better than FF7
Unique Butterfly Syndrome at it's finest

[Anonymous No.908939]

>>908917
Not OP, but I'm not getting a murrikan 3DS just for Soul Hackers

[Anonymous No.909041]

>>908917
>not SMT1

Bitch-ass messiah.

[Anonymous No.909069]

>>908921
>people who think either of those is good
High Functioning Autistic Syndrome at its finest

[Anonymous No.909095]

>>908921
>>909069
Stop /v/ing.

[Anonymous No.910763]

Its not technically /vr/, but I am going to recommend the Tactics Ogre PSP remake now that PPSSPP works well.
The dialogue is very well written, the voice acted sequences are great, and almost all of the awful RNG mechanics that could break your game were removed. Also, all your dudes level evenly now, which is something every SRPG should have.

[Anonymous No.911197]

>>884846
yes, chrono trigger is great to start
simple mechanics, engaging story, good pace
also skies of arcadia for the same reasons

they're top 10 jrpgs

[Anonymous No.911486]

>>911197
Skies of Arcadia's pace is only bearable if you turn the random battles off.

[Anonymous No.911652]

>>911486

>turn random battle off

You can't do that...right?

Right?

[Anonymous No.911728]

>>911486
>>911652
I actually stopped playing because of the random battles. It was unbearable, even though the presentation and story were great.
I'd be really mad if I found out you can actually disable random encounters.

[Anonymous No.911806]

>>911728

That's a kind of stupid thing to stop playing SOA for. I'll give it to you though, it is fucking bad, most of the time you can't run get away, and it's just boring to fight. I always found the ship battle to be the biggest time wasters.

How far did you get though, if you got pretty far, it would be annoying to stop playing just because of the battle, you'll miss out on a great story.

[Anonymous No.911838]

>>884897
y-you..too..

[Anonymous No.911852]

usually gets overlooked
Legend of Xanadu 2

along with the the others in the Dragon Slayer series including Faxanadu
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/xanadu/xanadu.htm

dat soundtrack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLwdKz_XTbc

seriously check out the ost

[Anonymous No.911869]

>>911852
gameplay vid apparently a English translation is in the works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mp94JsNEIXs#at=35

[Anonymous No.911889]

Knights of Xentar

[Anonymous No.911936]

>>911806
Well, I remember getting to this jungle village with a lot of slides, the layout was pretty neat. I had to travel to some ruins from there and quit at the first save point.

>That's a kind of stupid thing to stop playing SOA for

I can usually force myself through bad and boring combat systems, but there were simply so many random encounters and they were so drawn out that it really got on my nerves, especially while traveling with the airship.

Oh, I remember why I really stopped playing now. My 3rd party memory card got corrupted. Fucking 3rd party memory cards, had to play the first disc of FF IX two times before I learned my lesson.

[Anonymous No.912050]

>>911936

Eh, you didn't get that far, that's like 20% through the game.

[Anonymous No.912074]

>>911852
Isn't falcom doing above average/god tier soundtracks for almost 30 years now? that's pretty fucking impressive.

Shame is so overlooked in the west, even Ys isn't as well known as it should, and I would kill for a good translation of the gavharl trilogy/Tits SC

Posting some remixes of the first legend of xanadu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52YIyge0QOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbfbi99p5vM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUgZdrk15y8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De5l-o4QmwA

[Anonymous No.912083]

>>911936
I quit at the exact same place. Making it to the jungle itself was hell, you moved at a snail's pace.

[Anonymous No.914082]

>>911652
This is why emulation is the master race for older JRPGs.
I turned DQ7 into a 22 hour long game.

[Anonymous No.914124]

>>909041
It's broken as hell

[Anonymous No.914127]

>>908715
Terrible. Typical overrated garbage up in the higher tiers

[Anonymous No.914131]

>>891223
>>891249
>>902240
>>902331
hmmmmm
we need better criteria

[Anonymous No.914217]

>>914082
Are the battles in DQ7 really that long and frequent or did you just fast forward through every cutscene or did you do some zealous savestating to avoid random encounters?

[Anonymous No.915146]

>>912074
>dat mid-90s synth