Confess. Confess your retro video game sins.

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Anonymous Fri Apr 22 18:04:49 2022 No.8838734 [Reply] [Original]

Confess. Confess your retro video game sins.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 18:06:39 2022 No.8838741 as a kid I broke my phat GB on purpose to get a GBC. It worked. Held onto it all those years and I still intend on repairing the thing recently, but it would take to replace the cartridge slot or the entire back PCB.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 18:11:51 2022 No.8838752 >>8838741 yeah?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 18:20:19 2022 No.8838770 File: 177 KB, 716x494, 1321983340179.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8838734 I savestate-scummed through all the classic Mega Mans except 2 and 7.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 18:44:17 2022 No.8838826 Fuck off, wojak posting retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 18:45:05 2022 No.8838831 >>8838826 no

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 18:52:08 2022 No.8838857 >>8838770 This is how I beat Castlevania I and III. I don't feel like I missed anything. Played SotN legit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 18:57:22 2022 No.8838880 >>8838734 Welcome friendly wojak poster. I haven’t played a game without fast-forward/rewind in years.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 19:01:06 2022 No.8838893 >>8838880 based and honesty pilled

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 19:09:37 2022 No.8838912 >>8838880 >>8838893 This is some real pickme shit kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 19:10:35 2022 No.8838913 >>8838912 sorry anon but pikmin is NOT RETRO

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 19:12:09 2022 No.8838916 >>8838913 >intentionally ignoring attention seeking slur for more replies my point: proven

Anonymous Fri Apr 22 19:49:48 2022 No.8839000
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>i've never played a zelda game
>I advocate non-native resolutions
>I advocate emulation
>Doom without mouselook is meh
>having fun how you see fit is not a thought crime
The last one is what /vr/ struggles with most. Pic related - run through an amu from a disc that i've owned for 20 years and played back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 19:59:29 2022 No.8839034 Didn't beat Chrono Trigger legit and played it fully on emulator, that's the only real sin nothing else matters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:03:00 2022 No.8839048 File: 167 KB, 550x413, piacarrot04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like the PC-FX

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:06:06 2022 No.8839052 >>8839000 Side note: I've hated tank controls in RE since the first game and maintain my hatred to this day.

Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:12:42 2022 No.8839064
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>>8838734
My nephew wouldn't stop going on about Smash, so I told him Nintendo just slid into copying the MvC novelty roster fun without bothering to develop a cohesive & interesting visual style for it. He gave me a look, so I showed him Powerstone on the Dreamcast. We played it for hours, he loved it, said how much he'd love to see Jack and some of the others in Smash. Told him to fuck off. Don't know what I'm confessing to be honest, he looked a bit upset.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:28:05 2022 No.8839085 >>8839064 >smash autist confused by reality Many such cases.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:28:49 2022 No.8839090 >>8838912 what language is this

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:31:17 2022 No.8839097 >>8839090 >what are slurs fag

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:35:45 2022 No.8839109 >>8838770 I did this in nes smb 2 last month and zero regrets

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:42:58 2022 No.8839127 >>8839097 Yes, that is one; good job :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:43:48 2022 No.8839128 if i get to the end of a game and get filtered by the final boss ill look up the ending and consider it beaten

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:47:02 2022 No.8839136 >>8839128 Just like my strategy guides!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:51:37 2022 No.8839140 >>8838912 esl?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 20:59:05 2022 No.8839157 >>8839140 bless u

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:15:05 2022 No.8839184 I skimmed a playthrough of Legend of Zelda Link to the Past and realized I only got through about a quarter of the game as a kid. I mostly remember repeatedly cutting down bushes for fun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:15:47 2022 No.8839186 >>8838770 Not even a sin. Fuck those games. Being needlessly difficult to pad "content" is boring as fuck. Just because there were limitations of the era doesn't mean it's good design

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:19:05 2022 No.8839194 >>8838912 >>8838916 >>8839097 Nigger no one knows what the fuck you're saying. Clarify or shut the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:21:10 2022 No.8839204 >>8839186 The Mega Man games aren't even that hard, though, at least compared to many other NES games. Maybe 1 is at times, but then you can exploit some tricks even on real hardware to make it more manageable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:21:57 2022 No.8839205 I can't beat Contra even with the Konami code.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:23:19 2022 No.8839209 Idk what to emulate

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:28:40 2022 No.8839225 my parents sold all my consoles and the ones that i still have dont work anymore

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:30:19 2022 No.8839229 >>8838734 im going for a CiB virtualboy collection im almost done

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:36:47 2022 No.8839241 >>8839000 but OG Doom had mouselook. Even Wolfenstein had mouselook.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:40:25 2022 No.8839251 >>8838912 Woman detected

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:41:26 2022 No.8839252 Whenever I reach the final boss I get sad that the game is going to end and stop playing. I just drop it. Feels like the game goes on forever if I don't finish it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:42:35 2022 No.8839256 >>8839252 sad but respectable

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:43:33 2022 No.8839258 >>8838734 im a kissless friendless hugless handholdless 36 yr old virgin

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 21:58:13 2022 No.8839282 >>8839258 are you me?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:04:34 2022 No.8839292 test

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:07:00 2022 No.8839301 >>8838734 There are a lot of games that I want to play but probably never will.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:08:03 2022 No.8839304 >>8838770 Only autistic turbovirgin retards care about muh savestates. Fuck them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:08:07 2022 No.8839305 >>8839292 Definitely shadowbanned

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:09:50 2022 No.8839309 >>8839241 And almost nobody used it because without y-axis movement it made fuck all difference.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:24:19 2022 No.8839336 >>8839229 Me too, minus the box. Im missing 3d tetris, virtual bowling and gundam. I let my dad throw out my original nes cause we couldn't figure out how to fix the connector issue back before we had internet. That will haunt me till the day i die.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:30:07 2022 No.8839348 >>8838734 I used a savestate before fighting the Grim Reaper in Castlevania

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:44:12 2022 No.8839374 >>8839194 >attention seeking slur nah that ain't it

Anonymous Fri Apr 22 22:59:58 2022 No.8839415

>>8838734
I used a Game Genie and cheated at G.I. Joe: The Atlantis Factor with Infinite Ammo, Infinite Life, and Infinite Radio cheats.

Infinite Ammo only worked if the ammo total was not divisible by 100. Otherwise any shot you took would subtract 100 from your ammo counter.
Infinite Life did not save me from bottomless pit deaths. Also did not save you from dying if an enemy did more than your Joe's max health.
Infinite Radio worked, but it was a hassle.
I actually got good at the game over time despite cheating.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:01:22 2022 No.8839418 >>8839304 U didnt beat the game

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:06:50 2022 No.8839436 I willingly play Half-Life with the HD models

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:12:34 2022 No.8839450 File: 254 KB, 668x496, AceFAG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I beat the Ace Ventura game, the totem-puzzle are too dificult for me. I read solution in game magazine...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:13:23 2022 No.8839453 >>8839374 english motherfucker do you speak it

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:14:29 2022 No.8839457 >>8839336 sell me space invaders and virtual lab

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:17:46 2022 No.8839463 >>8839453 better'n you can, nice reading comprehension

Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:32:32 2022 No.8839490
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>>8839450
Also:
-1989 owned clone Atari2600 with 120 piracy roms inside (Rambo)
-lots of piracy on c64
-lots of piracy on PC
-2002 Modded Ps2 with HDLoader
-burning CD for DC
-2022 lots of console, handhels (DSi, 2DS, PSP, PSP street,PS2, X360, Ching Handhel with Dingux) all softmodded, rgh chip, opl...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:46:12 2022 No.8839524 >>8839463 "better'n" isn't a word yeah you're esl for sure

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 22 23:59:21 2022 No.8839552 >>8838734 I have never seen a snes jr irl.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:02:59 2022 No.8839564 >>8839186 Git gud, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:04:26 2022 No.8839569 >>8838770 Well, you TAS'ed through them. Not a problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:07:12 2022 No.8839576 File: 18 KB, 256x223, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I got filtered by the noob bridge in Super Metroid in 2022

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:07:24 2022 No.8839579
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>>8838734
>be me
>7 or some shit
>playing some Crash Bandicoot 2
>at the third world at some level
>oh cool I got a Diamond
>complete level
>pic related appears
>T-THATS NOT CORTEX
>immediate scared
>Brios says whatever idk I’m afraid
>believe my game is haunted
>turn off game
>remove disc from PlayStation
>begin rubbing disc on concrete in garage
>snap disc in half
>throw game away
>forever afraid of Crash Bandicoot 2
Crash 3 was good tho

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:08:10 2022 No.8839581

I never spent more than an hour in a Pokemon game. I tried a couple days, back in the 90s, during generation 1 or 2. The combat seemed extremely slow, the systems seemed simplistic, and the plot was boring. I was also like 12 when generation 1 released, so maybe I was just a bit too old for it, but I could never get into it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:10:02 2022 No.8839586

I finished all the dungeons in Strange Journey and got to the final boss. Everyone warned me it was extremely hard, and I was like 5-10 levels under the recommendation.

Honestly, I just got sick of all the grinding and stopped playing. This was 3 years ago. I still have the save file and think about grinding for like 5 hours and finishing the game, but I can never bring myself to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:12:25 2022 No.8839593 >>8839524 Same goes for "isn't", they're both contractions, which aren't allowed in formal documents. Good thing we're online or I'dn't've made much sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:15:03 2022 No.8839597 I’ve never completed a kirby game. And I’ve played several.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:16:02 2022 No.8839601 >>8839597 Commitment issues?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:21:21 2022 No.8839615 >>8839418 I experienced all the same mechanics and saw the same credits and did it in less time than you. Cope

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:21:47 2022 No.8839617 >>8839579 You ever go back and beat it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:24:29 2022 No.8839624 File: 159 KB, 680x680, 1615285067804.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8839615 Sounds like you're the one coping kek

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:25:52 2022 No.8839628

>>8839615
No you didn't. You made use of tools external to the original game itself in order to give you advantages that would compensate for your lack of willingness to acquire actual skill.

Thousands of 7-10 year old kids back in the 80's did beat these games. You didn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:29:30 2022 No.8839637 File: 17 KB, 822x142, v - video games in a nutshell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Janny take note: Ban EVERYONE in this thread except me.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:42:05 2022 No.8839662
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>>8838770
2 is so easy if you do them in the right order, 1 was brutal as vanilla cart (I was also 10 so...)
>>8838734
I restarted so many NHL 94 games in my season mode, cumulatively I should have had at least 500 more losses....

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:43:40 2022 No.8839665 I jacked off to the shower scene in Agent Under Fire

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:45:31 2022 No.8839669

>>8839615
You didn't beat the game, I know this because you used save states, that means you were using some form of emulation so you didn't actually beat the game. The real cope is the people who bothered playing through the game with emulation while not using save states then pretending that they beat the game.
>I beat Mega Man 4
Cool, so you put the Mega Man 4 cartridge in the Nintendo Entertainment System and beat the game?
>No, I beat it in Nesticle using my computer's keyboard
So you didn't play the game as the developers intended and missed out on large parts of the experience.
>reeee no I beat the game

It doesn't matter at all, if you enjoyed yourself who cares, you're not in competition with anyone. But you can't argue that lifting 100lbs and lifting 20lbs 5 separate times are the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:53:12 2022 No.8839684 >>8839615 based. fuck shitters who care so much about children's toys anyway

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:56:35 2022 No.8839691 >>8838857 A dead chimp can play sotn legit, you should be more ashamed that you even mentioned that at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:58:38 2022 No.8839696 >>8839684 >he posted, on an internet forum dedicated to children's toys

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 00:59:52 2022 No.8839698 >>8839696 okay, and? i don't use it as a form of accomplishment, i use it for fun also it's an imageboard not a forum

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:02:52 2022 No.8839710 >>8839615 >I experienced all the same mechanics Not if you jewed the intended life/fail mechanics of the game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:04:01 2022 No.8839713 >>8839698 you're so pathetic you cheat at a children's toy. by the point you realize small children are more capable than you at a hobby, can you even call it fun? fellate a shotgun faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:04:49 2022 No.8839715 >>8839713 caring about it is more pathetic get a life

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:04:52 2022 No.8839716

>>8839669
I'm basically with you on the save states part, but arguing that "emulating means you didn't beat it" is full fucking retard. Every NES emulator worth its salt is cycle accurate, meaning there is no meaningful difference between it and real hardware. It will work exactly the same, take inputs exactly the same (with the possible exception of input lag - more on that in a bit), and lag exactly the same. If anything, unless you take measures to mitigate input lag, assuming you don't savescum, it's actually harder to play a game emulating than playing on real hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:06:03 2022 No.8839718 >>8839715 no u

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:18:24 2022 No.8839740 >>8839716 I flew a Boeing jet once. It was at a science museum. There was this huge replica cockpit that used multiple hydraulic rams to simulate g force. I learned how to take off and land. It was the exact same as flying it in real life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:27:40 2022 No.8839760 >>8839698 imageboard = forum

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:34:39 2022 No.8839779
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The level of /v/ in here is staggering.
Makes me wonder why the Mods didn't bother making a /v2k/ board due to laziness when they don't even bother to clean up /vrpg/, yet went through the trouble of making it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 01:44:55 2022 No.8839801 >>8839740 >playing an emulated bidio geam on your computer is analogous to an air flight simulation Jesus fucking CHRIST touch grass motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 02:13:28 2022 No.8839847 >>8839779 I seriously don't know how these people don't get tired of having the same argument for years on end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 02:17:52 2022 No.8839853 >>8838770 Mega Man 2 fans for you, most definitely played on 'normal' difficulty too >>8838857 I mean I'm not surprised, typical SoTN fan

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 02:19:57 2022 No.8839861 [DELETED]

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>>8839624
>>8839628
>>8839669
>>8839710
Holy kek the seethe
>>8839710
Technically the part that's jewed is the artificial build up of getting to a particular point again, not necessarily the win/fail mechanic. It requires you still actually play successfully in at least one instance.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 02:26:59 2022 No.8839883 File: 143 KB, 700x500, 1649139958222.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8839861 >muh artificial difficulty

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 02:29:46 2022 No.8839893 >>8839861 >artificial ah yes, the natural act of instantly reloading a specific game instance. so easy- I mean natural

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 02:47:18 2022 No.8839936 File: 1.80 MB, 498x289, hayase-nagatoro-nagatoro-laughing.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8839883 >>8839893 > say artificial build up > they have to change my words to "artificial difficulty" to fake an argument

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 02:50:50 2022 No.8839941 >>8839490 Are those bottom two PSP systems the 1k model?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 03:04:38 2022 No.8839964 >>8839936 >only said artificial >claims "difficulty" was added Feel free to try again. Perhaps load a state?

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 03:25:51 2022 No.8840009 [DELETED]

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>>8839964
I can throw a surprise counterargument and when you have to reply, you have to redo the whole argument all the way through from the very first response every time you reply.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 03:30:12 2022 No.8840020 I will never waste time beating all the previous stages again because the developer coded that way. Savestates is a bless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 03:37:30 2022 No.8840034 >>8839524 He's just Southern and/or black.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 03:55:55 2022 No.8840058 >>8838912 Roasties can fuck off back to containment cafe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 03:58:40 2022 No.8840062 The only real hardware I own is a PS2 SCPH-30000R NTSC-J. I emulate everything else.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:14:27 2022 No.8840087

>>8839615
>I got a homerun in baseball! No, it doesnt matter if no one else was playing, I still hit the ball really far and ran around all the bases, I got the same experience!
>I won at chess! No, it doesnt matter that the other player only had all pawns, I still won, its the same experience.
>I won a game of russian roulette! No, it doesnt matter if there was no bullets in the gun, its the same thing!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:17:59 2022 No.8840096 >>8840020 and you will continue to never get good at the game. kinda like someone credit feeding an arcade game on an emulator, its a hallow victory and the experience is diluted

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:17:59 2022 No.8840097 File: 122 KB, 750x1000, gameboy-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8838741 how those suckers survived saddam's boys

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:29:18 2022 No.8840113
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I have been depressed for 20 years and cant find any fun in games, my one and only hobby. I have no friends, i actively avoid relationships despite being tall, attractive and hit on constantly. I have lots of money but it is meaningless to me it isnt enough to buy me happiness. I am so lonely. I sit at home surrounded by all my possessions and unfinished projects, wasting away the last few years of my youth. I work mostly from home with no human contact, unless im at the gym. I go to the gym to torture myself so Ill sleep 15-16 hours a day and not have to be awake if i dont need to be. My weekly routine is 10-15 hours work, 10hrs gym and the rest of the hours are spent looking at my video game collection and keeping consoles dust free and poating here occasionally.

Im so tired of living.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:31:30 2022 No.8840117 Punch Out is one of my top 5 favorite games, but I've never even beaten it because I only ever play the Wii VC version.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:33:15 2022 No.8840123 >>8840113 back to r9k

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:41:34 2022 No.8840140 >>8838734 I spent more time on /vr/ than playing retro video games

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:43:21 2022 No.8840145

I am bored to death of pre-sixth gen console games. I've been trawling over bit-defined console games for 20 years now. And even 6th gen and early 7th gen games are far too familiar. I'm far more interested in games which are either really obscure DOS/Comadore archetypes or games which are newer than "retro" yet still old enough that no normal gamer cares about them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 04:58:57 2022 No.8840167 What the fucking hell happened here? On topic, I've been buying games I'm interested in with no motivation of playing them. It's annoying.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 05:07:28 2022 No.8840182

>>8840096
Not him, but I only use a lot of savestates on NES and SNES because some games have RETARDED difficulty, and I don't replay most games after completing them. However, I'm gonna attempt to beat CS1 without savescumming and maybe no holy water, but FUCK clock tower fleaniggers and axe armor hall.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 05:18:43 2022 No.8840196 >>8840097 Holy shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 05:48:44 2022 No.8840253 >>8839309 It did for Icon Of Sin

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 06:04:34 2022 No.8840281
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Born in 92 in a post-communism country the first ever console I played was one of those NES clones called "Terminator". It cost ~$35. You'd go to a flea market and some gypsy dude would have a bucket full of cartridge guts. Parents would buy me these cartridges for less than $2, but you could literally play any NES game ever created. It was pure magic to me. Mind you, I was playing NES late into the 90s. I had no idea what N64 or SNES was. I do remember a friend having a Sega Genesis, but it was ridiculously expensive and literally less than 1% of the population could afford it. He only had Mortal Kombat 3.

Before getting my first job ever at 18 years old I have pirated every single game I have played.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 06:10:15 2022 No.8840291
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>>8840182
>some games have RETARDED difficulty
Their difficulty is normal. You're probably just way too much used to modern games and their habit of always being incredibly handholding in order to appease the most casual players who throw a fit if they die even once. Oldschool games required practice in order for one to consistently play them well.
>axe armor hall
just spam cross boomerang bro
also be sure to hit as many candles as you can, there's a 99% chance you'll get to the end with a triple shot by the time you fight death
>clock tower fleaniggers
Just use the clock and it's a no-brainer. Be sure not to hit the candle with the knife right before you get to the part with the gears. Also, there's a turkey right here in case you need it

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 06:10:18 2022 No.8840292 >>8838734 A lot of the things you kids consider retro still feels new and fresh to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 06:27:46 2022 No.8840316 >>8840291 >normal Bro, Ninja Gaiden is absolutely insane, you can't say it's normal >used to modern games I guess, but I love soulsborne Thanks for the tips, didn't know about the clock

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 06:45:32 2022 No.8840353
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>>8840316
>Bro, Ninja Gaiden is absolutely insane, you can't say it's normal
It might seem like a brutally hard game at first, but believe me it becomes second nature after you've spent a good couple days playing through the game. It's all a matter of trial and error. Died? Do it again. Rinse and repeat until you can breeze through the levels like you're doing literally nothing. Even beating the most batshit crazy stages like 6-2 and 6-3 without dying becomes easy shit once you've got enough practice.

That being said, beating NG1 was for me truly a one in a million experience. As infamous as is the fact that you're knocked back all the way back to 6-1 when you die at the final boss, it actually kind of made for a unique experience. I haven't played a single game in my entire life where i actually felt scared to walk into the final boss like that, shit makes you feel like you actually have something to lose. I know this is a gimmick that will never be repeated and i sure as hell don't want it to, but damn if playing through that was not something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:08:18 2022 No.8840392 I am legit gay for Pokémon… the mons themselves

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:15:26 2022 No.8840406 >>8840392 Which ones? :3

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:22:05 2022 No.8840413

>>8840353
Normal levels are more than beatable, but that final level is brutal. I only defeated the boss because I got lucky.
>have something to lose
I know what you mean
I was playing Don't Starve and you basically look for resources and build a base while crafting weapons and looking for food, you also can't stay in the dark, it drains your sanity and shadow monsters kill you in the dark, and then winter comes and now you have to worry about not freezing to death. Once you die, you start over from scratch, and I was maybe 4-6 hours in. My first winter, this giant fucking monster comes and destroys my base. It then proceeds to kill me in one hit. That was the most terrifying shit in the world, but I felt great, the adrenaline rush was something else.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:31:57 2022 No.8840430

>>8840413
>don't starve
I've seen that game before, from your description it sounds pretty cool. Might play it sometime. not retro tho

I'm kinda curious tho. How'd you defeat the final boss in ninja gaiden? I can't imagine any situation where someone would beat the absolute madness that is Jacquio form 2 by pure luck

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:39:39 2022 No.8840446 >>8840430 I saved at the beginning of the fight, and savescummed it until I beat it, that's why it's luck. I remembered the patterns, but could not survive until the end, until I did. If I reloaded the savestate, It'd've probably taken another hour.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 07:53:27 2022 No.8840465
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>>8840446
I recommend you to try doing it legit sometime, my man. I can't really describe how intense of an experience it is.
If you want any advice, i can tell you this: right here in this location in the pic is the last spin-attack in the entire game. You can use it to pretty much one-shot any boss you hit it with. Grab that powerup and stick with it like it's your mother's life, don't pick up anything else until the end of the stage (be VERY careful with the very last section: all three last candles are other powerups).
Once you get to the final bosses, if you intend to do it all in one go i recommend you to save the spin item to be used only in the second one. It's the hardest. The other two are pretty fairly beatable by the conventional means, but you're welcome to do one at a time too if you want (spin-slashing will kill all of them in one or two jumps)

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 08:13:14 2022 No.8840494

>>8840465
It's honestly too fucked up for me, man. I don't know, maybe I'll give it a shot sometime, but for now I'll stick with Castlevania, which seems very beatable without savestates in comparison. I didn't save and load a lot at all in that game. Tough, but fair.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:09:44 2022 No.8840598 >>8839490 I always wanted a PSP "Street". And radical owning a hacked 2600, that's sick. I assume that's the same Rambo (company? guy?) that made the Atari 8-bit computer RAM upgrades?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:11:40 2022 No.8840605 >>8840097 They keep changing the screen out when it dies, but it is still very impressive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:26:02 2022 No.8840623 I savestate right at the end of Zelda II just before the last dungeon so I didn't have to travel all that goddamn way back to the dungeon everytime I died. Fuck that game

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:39:08 2022 No.8840649 >>8838734 game genie

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:51:04 2022 No.8840682 >>8840598 I have one and it sucks, had to get a 3001 as well later on.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:52:45 2022 No.8840685

>>8840140
Here lately i have aswell but iits more fear of my shit burning out like my game gear has and no crt. Ive got mini consoles and virtual console stuff though but since ive got no pc its hard to update my rom collection.

There i think ive outed myself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 09:52:47 2022 No.8840686 >>8840316 I beat it on real hardware last week and it really isn't. Only thing that can be bullshit is the final boss shenanigans but just save enough spins to iframe through it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:14:33 2022 No.8840740

I got upset when I was young because my name got changed to "Baba" on Breath of Fire 2 when during the arena arc and reset the game, thinking it was a glitch. I didn't understand that the main character was only temporarily taking the name in order to get in to the tournament.

I didn't beat Emerald and Ruby weapon until 20 years after VII's release, same for Omega Weapon and Ozma.

I completely cheated my way through Starcraft's campaign, using power overwhelming on every single mission to just go through the entire game at my leisure. Ironically, the only mission I liked so much as to replay without cheats was the final Terran mission in Brood War.

I've never beaten Civilization 2 or 3 on any difficulty past monarch.

I cheated in Pokemon Stadium by raising my stats artificially high so I could beat my friends' Mewtwos with my Charizard. I had no idea how the Special stat worked or why it was important, but I didn't want to stoop to copying their strategies and admit defeat.

I only learned how to play video games well in order to overcome my high school friends, who were better than me when I first met them. I would practice games we'd play religiously and read and learn strategies from pros, play the meta, do whatever it took to secure victory. They eventually got sick of losing and refused to play any other game but Smash, which I didn't care for.

When I was growing up and learning how to program and do IT work, I put a keylogger on a friend's computer after learning how to do it and found out he was secretly gay, plus a million other secrets since he used to type his thoughts into a diary on his computer. I did not have the strength to stop reading and feel exceptionally bad about abusing his privacy, but I also learned he thought I was a retard and only tolerated having me around because he didn't have anyone else to play video games with and that sentiment extended to everyone else he spent time around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:32:06 2022 No.8840775 >>8839000 Are you me?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:34:47 2022 No.8840780 >>8839617 Yea, in my twenties with the lights on

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:41:45 2022 No.8840787 >>8840775 It is possible.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 10:46:27 2022 No.8840801

>>8838770
The replies to this surprised me. I did the same anon. All is well.
>>8838734
I have actually only played a small handful of retro games to release before 98-2000 simply because I just felt no need to broaden my horizons of Pokémon, Spyro, Crash, MGS, and my dad’s small collection of Genesis games when I was younger. I’m 28. Played a ton of PS2 games but my PS1 was a Spyro machine and My dad had, like, golden axe 1-2 and the rest was sports shit lmao. I’ve never played/beaten several heavy hitters, including
>link to the past
>sm64 (Spyro is unironically better)
>FF7, or any retro FF for that matter. I just actually tried 7 but couldn’t get into it
>none of the tomb raiders
>may as well say nothing on the n64 because I didn’t even have one until 2013-2014
Truly I even come to this board simply because it’s usually pretty comfy and you guys have much better Pokémon threads than /vp/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:12:04 2022 No.8840858 >>8840740 baba is you

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:20:15 2022 No.8840872 >>8840292 Moi aussi. PS2, Dreamcast and NGC feel new af to me and the only games I liked for any of them had very old-school play-styles, like Katamari (it's basically Pacman in 3d), the DC fighting games and Viewtiful Joe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 11:24:27 2022 No.8840879 >>8840623 If you use a continue in the last dungeon, you start at the last dungeon. Idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 12:50:20 2022 No.8841129 >>8840087 Kek. Still seething with shit arguments. Definitely a difference between games involving one person's vs games involving many

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:20:34 2022 No.8841225

>>8838734
here's my takes...
>my enjoyment of resident evil games begins and ends with the mercenaries mode & it's equivalent.
>my enjoyment of DMC games begins and ends with bloody palace.
>metroidvanias are boring and the only time i ever enjoy them is when i'm playing as richter & julius.
>platformers are for children & nu-males.
>retro games were never hard. you only think that because you played them when you were a kid who didn't know better.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 13:48:09 2022 No.8841315

>>8840605
That screen was so shit it would die on its own. My original GB still works, but the screen is dim as shit now (unless it was always like this, can't remember) and many, many years ago it developed two entire lines of dead pixels all on its own.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:16:46 2022 No.8841419 >>8841225 >Only first two are sins

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:20:10 2022 No.8841430 >>8838734 I use to be the kid who would make up semi-true rumours about games, glitches and secrets in the playground. Often sending many of my friends into hours of pointless pursuits of misinformation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 14:27:54 2022 No.8841452 >>8838734 IDDQD Impulse 9 Impulse 101 Superfragicali Superfunkicalifragisexy >I'm sorry

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:26:19 2022 No.8841614

>>8840740
>I completely cheated my way through Starcraft's campaign, using power overwhelming on every single mission to just go through the entire game at my leisure. Ironically, the only mission I liked so much as to replay without cheats was the final Terran mission in Brood War.
I did this as well, though much later on I decided to do it legit. I ended up getting stuck on one of the last BW Zerg missions, though, the one where you're on an island and Terran keeps constantly sending wave after wave of units including Battlecruisers, never giving you a moment to calmly build up forces to storm their base, which is crazy fortified.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:28:22 2022 No.8841627 >>8840113 If you give me money I will reveal to you the cure for your depression

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:29:47 2022 No.8841637 >>8841430 Were you fully aware of what you were doing and you did it for the lulz, or was it a case of your imagination ran a bit wild and you half-believed the shit you said?

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 15:48:56 2022 No.8841702

>>8840009
Do it, then. I've been waiting this whole time for an actual argument from you and all you've written is this copycat nonsense.
If playing the game as intended is "artificial build up", that would imply that using save states is somehow natural. To demonstrate the absurdity of this statement I suggested loading a state in real life to retain your progress (because it's natural, right?). In response, you miss the point entirely and continue focusing on how much you dislike restarting.

I'm glad you enjoyed my joke enough to attempt copying it, but by doing so you've effectively conceded. Perhaps load a state?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 16:24:19 2022 No.8841828 >>8839691 Very worthwhile post, A+ anon. Please keep up the good work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:00:02 2022 No.8841943 >>8838734 I do not take care of my retro consoles, they stay in moving boxes most of the time. The cables for them are all mixed up and not in singular boxes. Setting up any individual console is probably a half day's work. Every day it gnaws at me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:02:51 2022 No.8841951 >>8841943 Organize your house, anon. Make some coffee or something.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 17:09:35 2022 No.8841968

>>8841951
I need shelves to start organizing. I need to know the dimensions of my new TV on the wall to know what kind of shelves to get because they'll go up against the same wall. I don't have a new TV yet. It's not sensible to get a new TV before I update my ancient dinosaur GPU which will push more overall entertainment value. GPU prices are insane and may go down at some nebulous future point if I wait.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 18:35:27 2022 No.8842184

>>8841968
Okay so you're just not great at planning things out it sounds like. You could at least decide on what model TV you want first so you can get its dimensions, which can then be used for planning the shelving. That way you can be sure the TV will fit without having to buy it straight away.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 19:24:10 2022 No.8842304 >>8839048 I like you <3

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 19:29:51 2022 No.8842313 >>8841828 passive aggressiveness doesn't make you less of a loser, lmao.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 19:50:42 2022 No.8842359

>>8841614
I played through them all legit a year ago, but I did so in the most cheesy way possible for each mission. I just massed capital ships or whatever strong air units I could afford for each mission and used them like a hammer, there was little nuance or strategy to how I finished. Just cause as much damage as possible so the enemy would send smaller waves until I could complete the level.

It worked a lot better on the original 3 campaigns by comparison, BW's AI seemed to be better at using Lockdown and other abilities to ruin my advance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:00:12 2022 No.8842383 I suck ass at Unreal 1998 and even dropped it once

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:39:28 2022 No.8842524 >>8842313 Same, anon, same.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:43:42 2022 No.8842543 >>8842524 stop posting and try to suck less shit at games, fucko.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 20:47:11 2022 No.8842554 wow there's been a lot of confessions ITT, im proud of yall

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 21:35:25 2022 No.8842702 >>8838826 /qa/ lost meds, now

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 22:12:17 2022 No.8842819 I play almost everything on easy mode and have used cheating devices my whole life. For example, I have beaten FFX 3 times, but with a codebreaker.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 22:21:32 2022 No.8842851 I have never used a gamepad in my entire life, not even at a demo booth.

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 22:21:49 2022 No.8842853
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I haven't played on an actual console in over a year.
Last time was with my genesis using an RF adapter on a CRT.
Kind of in the camp that if I can emulate, I will and if you can tell the difference, well good for you. I don't know or care.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 22:50:53 2022 No.8842925 >>8842543 I'm good, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 22:53:44 2022 No.8842931 >>8842819 I wish I was chill and did this I play stuff on hardest and shit myself and go "waw bad game design" if I can't master it in 10 minutes

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 22:56:05 2022 No.8842937 >>8842931 Easy modes kick ass, anon. Give it a shot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 23:03:59 2022 No.8842952 >>8842931 Have you tried using save states?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 23:07:42 2022 No.8842959 >>8842952 Oh yeah for sure I use them. Do things once then move on, no interest in redoing stuff. DESU I mostly play shooters so I only have problems when its got bad designs like mandatory damage

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 23:08:39 2022 No.8842961 >>8842959 Kek I figured you would

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 23 23:11:56 2022 No.8842972 >>8838734 in my latest morrowind save I've been using console to add gold so I don't have to grind as much

Anonymous Sat Apr 23 23:15:07 2022 No.8842979

One of my /vr/ "highs" is using hacks like moon jump to break boundaries in platform games and see everything in way you weren't intended to. I nearly have a panic attack every time and I find it both thrilling and horrifying. Spyro the Dragon and Ape Escape are great games for such an experience.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 01:02:15 2022 No.8843223 >>8841637 they were all true

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 01:02:52 2022 No.8843226 I follow let's plays step for step. Like, if they make a mistake, I make sure I have to make the same mistake. Or else I won't have the same outcome they had. And that could mean I don't solve the (way too) hard puzzles.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 01:07:05 2022 No.8843236 [DELETED]

>>8842383
Let me confess by saying I've started and dropped it SEVERAL times since 1998. It always seems like a fun idea, but it's sooooo boring. I'm just what happens is that I'll die, and rather than being frustrated I'm just knocked out of auto-pilot mode and realize I wasn't having fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 01:12:46 2022 No.8843251 >>8843226 This is less a sin and more autism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 01:13:58 2022 No.8843254 >>8843251 I think it's satirical anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 01:46:00 2022 No.8843321 File: 968 KB, 1453x816, 1635705473034.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8838734 When I was 4 years old, I shit my pants because I didn't want to stop playing Starcraft. More than once even.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 02:33:51 2022 No.8843405 I think I play retro games due to a strange longing I have to find an older guy who can be some sort of alpha wolf to me guiding me and loving me and protecting me

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 02:37:10 2022 No.8843410 >>8839436 yeah that's pretty horrendous. Shame on you

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 02:38:36 2022 No.8843414 >>8839716 Emulator input lag is a meme.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 03:53:56 2022 No.8843539 >>8840281 Lithuanian?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 05:23:54 2022 No.8843682 >>8843539 How dare you

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 05:35:01 2022 No.8843701 >>8843539 No, Bulgarian

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 05:36:04 2022 No.8843703 >>8843701 I am not bulgo OR stupid Lithuanian, I will claim this forum in name of serbija you cretins

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 05:36:33 2022 No.8843705 File: 18 KB, 601x510, images (47).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] most of my experience with retro gane are from emelator and this thing.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 10:57:45 2022 No.8844371

>>8841702
So I actuallyl have a take on save states. The design philosophy of early games was genuinely that. "Let's make some of these actions difficult so you have to grind them" Like boss fights with random mechanics that are hard to predict or avoid without seeing it before -- and do INSANE damage. No "build up". Or, even worse, the "jump scare" mechanic of random enemies that shoot up from nowhere that cause damage or knock you into a pit and instant death.
Those, by themselves, are not inherently the issue I have. They're annoying, but hey, that's the game.
Let's use Megaman as an example. The issue is that these unexpected deaths drop your lives and respawn you incredibly far back. In Wily stages for some of the Megaman games, dying at a boss and losing a life had you re-run the ENTIRE stage. On top of the fact that ammo and capsules also depleted, you basically had one shot to build up a lot of resources for a hard fight and in dying, you have to more or less potentially quit the game, exit out, go to other stages, re-accumulate energy tanks, re-enter the stage, go through it, remember and avoid the jump scares to lead up to an incredibly hard boss fight.
The fact you have to re-run the same content over and over to get to a hard setup again -- it's fluff. Instead, a design that keeps you up to right before the progression point (the boss fight) after a failed encounter cuts all the rest of that you. You did all the rest of it again, mindlessly grinding it again is a means of cheaply and artificially adding "time" to the game run and the player's purchase.
Save states are justifiable because if you save state to just before a boss room with resources, you still had to gather those resources and you still have to save your state where all the damage you took and resources you depleted continue to be depleted when you reload that state. You're cutting out the fluff.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 10:58:46 2022 No.8844376

>>8841702
(2/2)
You could say even modern game designers and developers have even acknowledged that this is bad design. Even official emulators for just about every re-release of these games include built in save states. Look at virtual console on Wii, Wii U, 3DS, and Switch. All of them have some form of it.
From new game development, Super Meat Boy is also a great indication of a rehash of killing off the bad tropes here, which is to say -- Super Meat Boy doesn't have "lives". Each stage is self contained and you can die as much as you want without having to repeat the world, just the stage. They also make the gameplay loop of die fast and restart fast. No animations, no long death sequences. You're back in the game quickly and aren't punished for "losing" resources as they haven't really implemented any resources.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 11:03:07 2022 No.8844387 >>8838734 I can't stand playing Nintendo games anymore outside of a handful titles. Don't know why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 11:18:06 2022 No.8844421 >>8840740 >I put a keylogger on a friend's computer after learning how to do it and Anon wtf man. Granted fuck that guy got being such an asshole. I knew people like that in high school. They were just bold enough to say it to me

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 11:19:36 2022 No.8844424 >>8841315 You can easily fix the dead pixels. Apparently all you need is a soldering iron to reheat some connector. No new parts. You should look it up

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 16:29:51 2022 No.8845260

>>8844371
Here's where your analysis breaks down: Patience. The reason modern players don't like "fluff" is because modern players are incredibly impatient. People in general are impatient, I'll admit that waiting at loading screens isn't exactly a party but as time goes on and technology improved, suddenly you don't have to wait at loading screens as much any more. Before, waiting at loading screens were an expected inconvenience, whereas now it's an excruciating trial of patience, and that's because players have generally become used to not having them.

Old games better represent the challenges we face in real life and they give you tools to address issues you may face from day to day. Your actions have consequences and should be considered beforehand; Life is not Hotline Miami, if you make a mistake it means picking up the broken pieces. That alone makes you appreciate each attempt and actively enjoy the gameplay itself rather than being trapped in the mindset of mindlessly plowing through this level so you can mindlessly plow through the next level.

Super Meat Boy DOES have lives, they're just called deaths and only controls achievements because modern devs know that modern gamers want to be coddled while being told they're skilled and powerful. They'll plow through games and remember practically none of it save for choice setpiece moments, completely defeating the purpose of making the gameplay more accessable to begin with. The "padding" and "artificial length" is actually the exact thing that makes a game memorable, because you're exposed to it more. The number of people that can speed run SMB 1-1 vs people that can speed run SMB 8-3 is testament to this, just because not everyone that plays SMB can speed run 8-3 every time they play doesn't mean the gameplay is flawed, it means the game is hard. It means the game will continue providing value to you, assuming you have the patience to appreciate the difficulty in losing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:12:40 2022 No.8845553 File: 492 KB, 640x880, skwl5ngevzc71.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8840406 >which ones Quite many, some even officaly genderless

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:14:06 2022 No.8845559 video games are pretty okay

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:15:49 2022 No.8845564 >>8839450 The only thing I know about the Ace Ventura game is that it has a totem puzzle, and apparently the puzzle sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:17:07 2022 No.8845565 >>8839576 That's why it's called the noob bridge, anon. Nobody gets that room right the first time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:19:23 2022 No.8845572 >>8839779 Confession threads are usually fine right up until somebody mentions save-states; then some other anon loses their fucking mind and the entire thread goes to hell.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:21:48 2022 No.8845578 >>8840879 Isn't that the only place in the game where that happens?

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:24:32 2022 No.8845584

>>8845260
>better represent the challenges we face in real life and they give you tools to address issues you may face from day to day.
Thats definitely grasping at straws. Furthermore, games have no need to represent reality. They are an escapism from it. So it's unnecessary.
>if you make a mistake
There's mistakes and then consequences of a game using jump scares or un communicated behavior
>DOES have lives, they're just called deaths and only controls achievements because modern devs know that modern gamers want to be coddled while being told they're skilled and powerful. They'll plow through games and remember practically none of it save for choice setpiece moments,
And this is inherently bad? Someone has has virtue of achievements can go back and redo and self impose that memory. Furthermore, say you're doing an achievement run for no deaths for a world. If a particular level is where you consistently die, you can pick that ONE stage and rerun it over and over without needing to start from stage X-1 each time.
The option of vs the mandate of "fluff" is a game design disconnect. Super Meat Boy is the design of doing it right.
>testament to this, just because not everyone that plays SMB can speed run 8-3 every time they play doesn't mean the gameplay is flawed
Speed running vs being able to complete are different. If you fail 8-3 too many times and are forced back to 1-1, you are able to less engage with overcoming it. 1-1s sentiment is less about difficulty and more of accessibility.

Frankly this old design pattern also exists in an area where games and content were simply less accessible. Today we have so much accessible to us, the time sunk into a game with this design is likely going to want to be put into progression elsewhere, even if tbat elsewhere is a checkpoint of a hard segment that's being perpetually rerun but not yet completed by the player

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:51:55 2022 No.8845656

>>8839669
I agree with you in terms of embracing purist autism, but to outright deny that emulation is basically providing you with the same experience is… well, delusional. Of course it’s not 1:1, but more often than not it’s pretty goddamn close— close enough to be able to share relatable experiences with someone who played the game on original hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 18:58:05 2022 No.8845678 >>8845578 Yes.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 19:21:24 2022 No.8845759

I have been playing Harvest Moon: Back to Nature with the wiki open almost the entire time and have been constantly experimenting with ways to optimize my daily routine, which also means that I’m constantly restarting days if I forget to do something or if I make a mistake.

It’s cool to see all of the shit that I would have never imagined was in the game otherwise, but I’m never gonna play through it like this again, I am burning myself out big time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 19:48:41 2022 No.8845835 >>8845656 So, I have to ask. What's your take on say, an Everdrive N8 for the NES. It's a flash cart that runs using real hardware and has save states.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 20:12:27 2022 No.8845906

>>8845584
I was referring to being patient, especially regarding making mistakes under unfair circumstances. That's life.

If you need to "self impose" a memory, that would indicate that it didn't take hold in the first place. Furthermore, there are achievements where you have to complete every stage in a world in one attempt, the "least time spent in a world" achievements. You would have to memorize the stages in order to get that, requiring the same "fluff" you're so dismissive of.

I understand that the achievements aren't required to "complete" the game, but that level of difficulty is much more memorable. Lowering the bar of entry doesn't make the game more memorable, it's a player's exposure to the game that does that. By allowing the player through the whole game via brute force, the player doesn't have to refine their input execution to a point of consistency for each stage, they can just plow through without learning any of them (which is a mistake if they want all the achiements).

I'II bet you could recall SMB 1-1 more clearly than you could recall 8-3, and that's because you were exposed to it more. The more you're exposed to a stage, the more your skill is refined. Restarting from Game Over makes you a more consistent player. Repeat exposure isn't artificial, it's called practice. These are ultimately toys, things to be played with in your free time. Some people play with slingshots and can break tree branches three stories in the air. Some people can beat Super Meat Boy without restarting. It's all in exposure to difficulty.

Because games are so accessable now, it's as if asking someone to slow down and enjoy failure as a process of playing is disregarded, like unless they're winning they're a loser who's wasting their time. Whatever sells in-game currency I suppose.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 20:22:21 2022 No.8845943

>>8845906
From my perspective, a game that gatekeeps content under the burden excessive repetition of content leading up to it is fundamentally bad game design akin to gatekeeping.
Since Super Meat Boy is topical. That game is an example of the "brute force" you speak of being still, in its own right, difficult in order to achieve a stage -- but a means to actually get to go through and experience the game. Personally, after "brute forcing" my own way through the game, I was actually really excited to get to go back through everything I've done and try to get some of those A+ times and achievements that require that level of repition.
Having them as a postgame type deal I think is great. But forcing that upon the first experience can be a drag and even, given modern accessibility to content (games in general), is a great way, IMO, to seek player abandonment.

I think the takeaway I'm trying to get at is that a design that offers a straight and narrow path for the player to see it end to end is what makes sense, and a "hard mode" (or achievements, however) is a great postgame supplement, but forcing it on the player prematurely is not for everyone, nor should it be.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 20:44:48 2022 No.8845996

>>8845943
The player is not owed the entire game just for playing it, and there is nothing stopping you from retrying when you fail. Failure is a part of playing. If a player abandons a game just because they lost, that's on the player, not the game. The game shouldn't have to cater to an unskilled player's fit of incompetence. This is like a person becoming upset that they can't juggle despite owning juggling apparatus. Simply owning it isn't enough to be good at it, you need to practice, which involves a lot of failure. A LOT of failure.

Call it gatekeeping if you want, but enforcing death in a game is not the great tragedy that it's made out to be. Archaic difficulty structures are exactly why I like vintage games. It forces you to take things in and enjoy them on their own merit. You tend to remember them better that way, too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 20:53:37 2022 No.8846020 I bought a retron 5 even though I knew it was an emulation box.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 20:57:26 2022 No.8846027 >>8838734 I play videogames

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 21:02:19 2022 No.8846041 >>8846027 What a loser

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 21:02:45 2022 No.8846042 >>8840117 I coulf never beat soda popinski in the animal crossing version. Maybe i'd actually be able to do it on real hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 21:19:53 2022 No.8846091 >>8841627 Blowjobs don't work anon, also you're a whoring prostitute faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 21:20:10 2022 No.8846092 >>8846041 You're the one posting here, that means you too play them

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 21:56:41 2022 No.8846189 >>8846092 No it doesn’t actually lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:11:36 2022 No.8846208 >>8846189 Ok loser

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:15:47 2022 No.8846214 >>8838734 I don't even like video games I just play them to be cool

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:20:56 2022 No.8846220 >>8838734 I was not of age, nor did I pay for Nocturnal Illusion and several other h-games in the 90s.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:22:49 2022 No.8846223 >>8839579 old pasta but still relevant

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:24:16 2022 No.8846225

>>8840740
>keylogger
Me too, but only to get access to the dial-up password after my parents grounded me from the internet for being such a retarded, lazy student. Not to be a glownigger psycho to my friends. At another point I used long distance dial-up numbers for "free" dial-up services. They found out on the bill.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:33:30 2022 No.8846242 >>8843321 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMFveebhFw YOU'RE SHITTING YOURSELF, POOP IS COMING OUT YOUR FUCKING ASSHOLE

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:33:41 2022 No.8846245 >>8840740 This literally means you couldn't be trusted in the first place, I wonder who is worse

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:35:19 2022 No.8846247 >>8846242 not yet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:44:30 2022 No.8846262 >>8839000 fucking based

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:50:46 2022 No.8846278 >>8839309 No but you could turn and play far more efficiently that way. Perhaps you mean Y look in particular, and not turning. Either way, I think most of us overlooked or undervalued it back then.

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:56:07 2022 No.8846292

>>8839581
Same
>>8840062
Same, PS2's my only retro console, and only because I need it for (pirated) lightgun games
>>8840113
I am an ADHD dabbler and can barely stick to anything for more than 30 minutes. I actually play stupid old adventure games to completion with my gf more than I play 'real' games myself. I've actually started reading a bit more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 22:58:35 2022 No.8846294 >>8846292 >I've actually started reading a bit more. lol no

Anonymous Sun Apr 24 23:34:04 2022 No.8846375

>>8846245
It was a shitty, inexcusable thing to do, no matter how neat at the time. I had his email password and a ton of account passwords as well, but I never did log in to any of them.

It's one of those things that either becomes normalized and you do it whenever you have the opportunity after the first time or you wise up and realize there's a lot of shit you shouldn't see no matter how much you want to. I fell into the second category, thankfully, mostly because I realized that kind of shit is like being a mind reader and invading someone's most personal space. I wouldn't even do it to an enemy anymore, and believe me there was a few times I really wanted to go looking around at what people were up to (Since I work as a network security guy, I have the internet logs for literally everyone in our company, but I don't dare look at them unless someone's pirating on our network.).

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 24 23:57:34 2022 No.8846426 >>8846375 >never did log in at least, that one's commendable

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:05:42 2022 No.8846447 File: 73 KB, 630x611, 1650837762025.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have dozens of unopened games dating back to the SNES that I purchased with the intent to play but never got around to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:28:56 2022 No.8846490 >>8846447 kek I recently opened all the Xenosaga games I bought back when they released and played through them wasn't worth it, I'm afraid to google how much they would've been worth as a factory sealed set

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:30:05 2022 No.8846492 >>8846447 When I realized I was doing this I stopped buying games altogether. I stick to emulators now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:34:46 2022 No.8846504 >>8846490 I - $47,000 USD II - $23,000 USD III - $84,000 USD

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:37:23 2022 No.8846510 File: 507 KB, 1070x601, 1642943233122.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8846504 I DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:40:51 2022 No.8846523 >>8846510 Kek he's pulling your leg. It's a couple bills each.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:42:49 2022 No.8846525 >>8846523 Give it another 5 years

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:44:21 2022 No.8846527 >>8846525 In the year 2525...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:46:44 2022 No.8846532 I liked ET. I thought it was a fun game. There, I said it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 00:59:31 2022 No.8846553 I promised my mom that if she bought me SMB3 I'd mow the lawn. That was over 30 years ago. The lawn hasn't been mowed yet.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 01:00:35 2022 No.8846554
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>>8838734
>You know that horrible trend of video game box art trend being a single male character brooding, looking tough, and standing above it all?
That was my fault.

The story if you care to read:
A marketing firm offered me $100USD cash for 3 hours of my time to express my opinion on a then-unreleased upcoming game, which was like 40 hours of work condensed into just 3 hours at that time. They categorized me into the "hardcore" group based on my videogame playing habits. We got to discuss what we liked and look for in games, then tried an alpha build of the game, gave feedback, and one of the major topics was the cover to the game. That's where I took over the conversation, since I felt the "group shot" image was too messy and trying too hard to appeal to all; the iconic vehicle cover while good did not appeal to me at the time because I felt people will see it at a glance then just simply pass it up as it did not spark any imagination; another I forgot, but I did steer the whole room indicating the one dude is a strong image which commanded interest in a game. The marketing firm obviously listened and it was a trend that persists to this day, but finally passing now.

Bonus non-videogame sin: the same marketing firm also did the same for my opinions on other things, one of which led to a fast food chain's jingle that exists to this day. The $100USD was more money than I had ever seen, and it was worth creating this future we are in.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 01:15:23 2022 No.8846569

>>8845996
>The player is not owed the entire game just for playing it,
Being more lenient on the consequence of death still doesn't give the player automatic progression. A bar still exists with confines to getting over it
>and there is nothing stopping you from retrying when you fail
Nothing stops you but it certainly can dissuade
>If a player abandons a game just because they lost, that's on the player, not the game. The game shouldn't have to cater to an unskilled player's fit of incompetence.
You continue to conflate any type of loss with loss that comes with consequence of setting up again vs loss that gets you imminently back into an encounter.
I'm not at all arguing a game shouldn't be hard, if not unforgiving. Not once have I said, nor do I support, seeking any of these old games to be easier so that I die less. Instead I want the opportunity to attempt it again much more quickly so that I can go through failure cycles more rapidly.

>Call it gatekeeping if you want, but enforcing death in a game is not the great tragedy that it's made out to be.
I literally have no objection to death in the game. The issue I take is with the loop that leads back to the "pre encounter" area

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:01:51 2022 No.8846652

>>8846569
It does cheapen progression though. There's no obligation to complete a game, the ending of a game should be earned. Brute forcing through a game guarantees the experience will be cheapened.

>I want the opportunity to attempt it again much more quickly so that I can go through failure cycles more rapidly.
That's the entire point that I'm arguing against. If there's nothing at stake, like your time, then winning doesn't mean anything. It's just one mindless slog to the next. From one game to the next. That's not how I want to play my games, I want to actually take them in and enjoy them. Having consequence makes each attempt, and by extension each game meaningful because you appreciate the time it takes to play each game. Instant retries cheapens the whole experience.

Imagine someone savestating Pac-Man. It's probably the most obvious manner of artificially inflating your score. Would you consider someone that got a world record using save states as being skilled at the game or deserving of the title? That's effectively what beating games with save states is accomplishing, you may have "completed" the game technically but you have only robbed yourself of the time and experience needed to actually accomplish it.

It's like watching art films in 240p on YouTube. It's convenient but you lose most of the nuance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:10:12 2022 No.8846663 >>8846553 Mow the fucking yard, Tyrone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:13:32 2022 No.8846672 >>8845835 Sounds awesome and like a great way to play NES games if you have an NES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:13:45 2022 No.8846673 File: 68 KB, 699x485, 1639685478188.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I write demos for old consoles then pretend they're unreleased prototypes for unannounced games and sell the "dump" to retards for "preservation"

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:16:27 2022 No.8846681 >>8846554 What the fuck. Anon you bastard.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:27:01 2022 No.8846706

>>8846652
> there's nothing at stake
The stake is there. You're going to lose the fight and have to re-attempt. I don't the idea that I have to go redo less tedious content that got me there as a meaningful stake. I find it annoying.
> Brute forcing through a game guarantees the experience will be cheapened.
Subjective. I'm the type of person who likes to experience all the content of a game at least once.
> one mindless slog to the next.
For me, having to redo something I just did is very much a mindless slog. I have to work my way back up to the encounter I want to focus on engaging in.
> Instant retries cheapens the whole experience.
Just about every modern game disagrees with you. Even games not following long after disagree with you. Take any JRPG for instance. It was incredibly rare for JRPGs to have you save before a series of rooms before a boss fight. You saved BEFORE the boss.

> Imagine someone savestating Pac-Man. It's probably the most obvious manner of artificially inflating your score
Now we're conflating single player experiences to competition. To you point though
> Would you consider someone that got a world record using save states as being skilled at the game or deserving of the title?
Depends on the version you're talking about. If the score submission is of a release that has save states, then yes, I would consider it valid. But an NES cart release vs Wii U virtual console? They're different games, with different functionality. You could sub-set the category of a "no save states" or "no tool assisted speedrunning" to invalidate, but I find it no different than say, a 100% speedrun vs an any% differentiation. Granted, most speedrun timers count from the first input to the last, so save state spamming would ding you incredibly hard on time, thus be inefficient.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:31:14 2022 No.8846710

>>8846652
> you may have "completed" the game technically but you have only robbed yourself of the time and experience needed to actually accomplish it.
As someone who has access to an incredible amount of games today compared to yesteryear, as well as being an adult with considerably less time than I used to, this is totally fine to me and why I appreciate more modern games (+ released old games with save states built in as first class).
I've told myself for years I'll get to the games on the backlog. And compared to everything else there is, I'm knocking out more modern ones because they're more conscientious of time and accessible. Given my interest in backlog burndown in my limited time, I'd sooner not play these because of what I consider to be unwelcoming design (that the industry has moved on from and even the developer of the original titles officially accommodates in re-releases), I'd rather complete them in a "modern" capacity than not at all.

Counterarguing your point, imagine that you found Pokemon too easy, and for you, there's simply zero enjoyment in anything but a Nuzlocke run. And for you, you think that it's unacceptable to experience the game in literally any other capacity, and you have to force and insist upon people they didn't really enjoy or play their Pokemon game if they didn't Nuzlocke it, and you rally time and again for Ninteodo to force in Nuzlocke as how the game is actually designed, rather than your own self-imposed challenge to seek enjoyment from a game you consume differently (and perhaps more often) than others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 02:32:15 2022 No.8846716 >>8846673 Did you make Gex Jr? >>8846672 I do. It's comfy as shit.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 03:31:17 2022 No.8846837

>>8846706
I was referring to Pac-Man the arcade game, likening the use of save states as being an additional, unintended feature. "Unwelcoming design", as you put it. That's why I like vintage games, I don't mind wrestling with antiquated design because I still find it rewarding. If there's no challenge, I may as well be playing modern games. Perhaps you feel differently.

If playing the game as-made was an additional challenge such as Nuzlocke rather than the expected experience of playing the game normally, you'd have a point. Save states are beneficial, and it's not like I can do anything to stop that nor would I want to. I simply believe it cheapens the experience of playing vintage games down to checking boxes off lists.

I used a walkthrough to complete D quickly so I could see the good ending. I can hardly remember it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 06:05:52 2022 No.8847095 >>8838734 >Confess. I really like retro games and have fun playing them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 11:15:14 2022 No.8847579 >>8846447 Just sell them or whatever

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 11:18:30 2022 No.8847592 >>8846554 This sin is unforgiveable, you tricked the masses and manipulated them psychologically for 100 dollars for 30+ years.......just kidding it's fine dude

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 14:15:31 2022 No.8847986 >>8847579 make me

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 14:21:19 2022 No.8847997

>>8847986
If the collection isn't something you want and don't think you will in the future, it's probably the best solution. You can use the money on things that you actually like to do. If there's nothing that brings you joy, you can probably use it to buy a gun and kill yourself or see a therapist. The downside is that any unopened game sold is almost surely destined to remain unopened and unplayed, but opening them just for the sake of it will obviously reduce the value. You don't want to commit suicide with some boring 9mm.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 14:22:56 2022 No.8848001

>>8846837
>I was referring to Pac-Man the arcade game, likening the use of save states as being an additional, unintended feature. "Unwelcoming design", as you put it.
> arcade game
Then no, totally unacceptable since that wasn't how the actual cabinet was shipped.
If a Wii virtual console release, then totally, but that's not apples to apples.

Also, not comparing apples to apples, pacman to Megaman isn't 1:1 either. Pacman is literally the same gameplay loop (just with some level of minor scaling), so there isn't really so much progression and interactions than there is...doing that literal one thing, just getting a high score. Stage 1 compared to stage 255 has no difference in Pac-man.

> I simply believe it cheapens the experience of playing vintage games down to checking boxes off lists.
To each their own. I've been putting off some NES games and a fair number of Megaman games for two decades. I'd rather at least know what I'm missing out on rather than never really sit down and try it. And hey, there's a few games I've "checked off" already that I'm compelled to actually go back and give a full run, either to 100% complete or take on as a more challenging endeavor once I feel I've burned down the things I've been meaning to play. So we'll see if it pays dividends.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 14:30:26 2022 No.8848021 Got my dick sucked by a cute cosplayer I met at a Guilty Gear tournament in 2007. Still fap to the memory. she was 12

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 14:45:09 2022 No.8848067

I've never played on an actual SNES. In fact, I can't remember if I ever saw one irl, not even in a store.

But emulating isn't

>>8846553
It's not too late, go there next saturday and mow the lawn. I don't care how far it is or if it's a different lawn by now.

>>8840097
I messed with the connector pins, I don't remember with what. Pen? Screwdriver? Anyway not even trying to bend it back would work. I really fucked up. My excuse to my mom was "it probably got damaged after pulling so many games out", which was only 2 weeks after she refused to buy the GBC in the first place. What a jerk.

I bought everything, or almost everything, required to repair it though but STILL haven't done it. As I said the easy way out is to replace the entire back PCB (I bought a spare one) but at this point it's like half the game boy isn't the original one you know? So I think I'll bite the bullet and de-solder the cart slot and re-solder a new one but it scares me to do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 15:03:52 2022 No.8848148 >>8847095 fuck you satan

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 15:50:22 2022 No.8848329 >>8848067 Depending on how much it was bent, and if it's the same material as the NES pin connector, you could always try boiling it. I legit boiled my bent NES connector set and it's as good as new.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 16:06:49 2022 No.8848391 >>8847986 No do it yourself I don't need to make you do anything

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 16:24:20 2022 No.8848469

>>8838734
I jammed a bunch of bread into the snes ejector slot because my brother would always hog it.
-almost half my roms " have known issues" but I dont care cuz they play fine
-that kid who took the manual in your game rental. that was me.
- I think that mario bros is better on snes and best on gba
- save stated earthbound every time ive beaten it..
-I used Kaazaa to emulate once.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 17:06:30 2022 No.8848598

>>8848001
The gameplay loop is not relevant to my comparison, because my point was regarding playing a game in a manner that is unintended anyhow. I personally disagree how catering to modern gamer fragility in modern releases of classic titles somehow makes using save states a part of the original intended experience.

Also the ghost behaviour changes as stages progress otherwise the game wouldn't get any harder so, yeah.

Since my point seemed to go over your head, I'll reiterate. I used a walkthrough to get the good ending in D. I hardly remember it, because I didn't actually earn it. If I really want to see it again without dedicating the time to playing through it properly, I can just watch a playthrough online.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 17:29:33 2022 No.8848663 >>8846554 Jesus Christ you're fucking insufferable.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 17:32:41 2022 No.8848669
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>>8846652
>Imagine someone savestating Pac-Man. It's probably the most obvious manner of artificially inflating your score. Would you consider someone that got a world record using save states as being skilled at the game or deserving of the title?
Haha yeah who would do such a stupid thing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 17:53:50 2022 No.8848719 >>8848669 I was absolutely alluding to him kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 18:56:23 2022 No.8848892 >>8838826 /qa/ lost incel, die mad

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 19:34:44 2022 No.8849069 >>8838734 I-I scrub my console and conteollers with magic eraser to freshen them up, I like it smooth e-even did it to my turbo express.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 19:49:46 2022 No.8849139 >>8838770 You disgust me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 19:51:27 2022 No.8849148 >>8839258 What this has to do with videogames

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 20:03:16 2022 No.8849194 >>8840740 >plus a million other secrets since he used to type his thoughts into a diary on his computer What are those secrets?

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 20:23:20 2022 No.8849241

>>8848598
> catering to modern gamer fragility in modern releases of classic titles somehow makes using save states a part of the original intended experience.
Is it really fragility or just iteration on a design? Take Pokemon. Experience share went from split 6 ways to split only among EXP holders to primary gets 100%, everything else gets 50%.
They've reflected and evolved, and if those games were designed from the ground up, they may have adopted similar practices to their successors -- and in remakes, they often are. (I think Megaman Powered up borrows from later Megaman games heavily, despite being a remake of 1).

Assuming that it is fragility is a misnomer.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 20:34:35 2022 No.8849291
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>>8849241
There's no obligation to play the game as-made if there are save states, which is fine if you don't care to play the game legitimately, but to act like it's an improvement on the design is actually agreeing on the whole fragility part. It would only be an improvement if gamers have become more fragile, more unwilling to play through these games as-made. More unwilling to accept loss as a part of play.

Pic related

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 21:22:26 2022 No.8849432

>>8849291
Adding save states is a much lazier way to retcon behavior in a game. Perhaps that is future developer intention. If we've seen anything though, gooks fucking suck at keeping source control and are also just pretty shit at programming in general (look at that Kaze autist and all the improvements he's been making)

So, that's honestly a matter of semantics.

>pic related
Enh, I think that's grasping a bit. It only shows up after a ridiculous number of deaths and also is elective. If you just spawned like that after X deaths, I could definitely see your point.

I really do think the idea of having a "normal" and "hard mode" are fine and a decent split. Normal can be forgiving on death or making it harder to die (but no straight invuln shit), but be less rewarding with hardmode be more of how historical games were. Forcing either on a playerbase as a whole is just a square peg in a round hole.

Contrasting your pic related, I would say the idea of what Pokemon did with XP share being party wide (100% main/50% others) was a good move when brought into gen 6, but was a step backwards when in (I think gen 7?) it was mandatory and couldn't be turned off. Pendulum swung too far the other way there.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 21:33:27 2022 No.8849462

>>8849432
>kaze manages to rewrite all of sm64
>without a deadline looming and with years and years of experience with the n64 and modern programming sensibilities and techniques
The reason SM64 was shipped unoptimized was because they simply couldn't be sure it would remain stable and be done before release. We know now that it doesn't cause problems, but they could not be sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 21:35:40 2022 No.8849469 >>8849462 But we all know sensible posts don't bait replies.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 21:44:47 2022 No.8849490

>>8838734
Back in 2013, I was at a vintage game shop. I opted to purchase Capcom vs SNK SVC Choas on the original Xbox for $9.99 over Mega Man 5, before it's significant price increase for $14.99. About one year later, Mega Man 5's price goes crazy. Not that I resell anything really, but value is good to know. I hate myself for this decision. I have Mega Man 5 now. But I had to pay out the ass for a clean CIB copy 2-1/2 years ago.
>inb4 coomlector
My childhood collection was/is substantial. I kept everything even back then. Mega Man 5 & 6 were the only ones that I never owned.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 21:46:33 2022 No.8849494 File: 138 KB, 584x480, Super Smash Bros Melee_GALE01-1051465744343-full.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] not my proudest fap

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 21:55:27 2022 No.8849519 >>8849494 Eh it's fair, I blew a load to hannah montanna

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 21:58:13 2022 No.8849529

>>8849469
kys
>>8849462
You completely missed the point. That's not what I'm arguing. Developers improve overtime as they release and push against deadlines. My statement has nothing to do with the original code quality or decisions, it's their ability to go back and fix it in re-releases to which they have:
1) the same amount of time as Kaze since release to make those improvments
2) They have the source code
3) They have (or had) original developer access
4) They have datasheets for the console

If you compare apples to apples, which is to say Kaze and Nintendo TODAY. Shoehorning your asinine argument of Kaze in 2022 vs Nintendo 1996 -- yeah, of course it's going to be a stupid fucking comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 21:59:19 2022 No.8849535 >>8849519 she looked kinda cute before the MK Ultra kicked in, I don't blame you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 25 22:03:10 2022 No.8849545 Rolled the dice and spent $150 for a DLC code sealed in a new retail packaging of a certain title. It was a 50/50 shot and I lost. I looked into the code and found out that it was a legit code that was not redeemed, just expired.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 22:17:19 2022 No.8849574

>>8849529
They went ahead and made an English version of the Shindou variant of SM64 which did have optimization updates among other fixes when doing 3D All Stars. They could have gone further with it but didn't not because they couldn't code it, but because it was not worth the effort from a business standpoint. No real reason to try to optimize SM64 further when they already had a Japanese rerelease that ran at a solid 30FPS at basically all times to go off of, especially when it was running on the Switch which is more powerful than the original hardware.

Could they have made a native port of SM64 to the Switch that ran at 60FPS and was every bit as nice as the PC version? I have no doubt in my mind that they COULD have, but they had no INCENTIVE to. Big difference between "shit gook coders" and "reality of business".

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 22:27:09 2022 No.8849608

>>8843414
It's not entirely one, it just used to be a problem more than it is now and cavemen stick to old complaints like glue.

- LCDs were atrocious for it until manufacturers and consumers specifically started paying closer attention to input delay.
- Nvidia used to use tons of buffering to get better quality images out of their cards at cost of timing, which you now either turn off or use a newer method that does it faster.
- V-sync itself was a buffering type that resulted in delay, and sometimes Windows would force it on people if they didn't disable composition, and that's had specific alternatives like G-sync solving it now.
- Wireless gamepads have often been dogshit about delay over the years and assloads of people played on them anyway, only recently becoming better.
- All of that before getting back to the emulator, which some were quite bad for input lag for a long time. Now they aren't just fixed, but in some cases better than original with features.

You can see this massive cascade of many contributing sources of input lag here that existed and have since been solved, which did build up to become a problem if you had enough of them going (and were actually good enough at games to notice you were getting fucked out of quick moves you'd pressed the button in time for). It wasn't a meme, it was real, it's just solved now.

Anonymous Mon Apr 25 22:33:36 2022 No.8849626

>>8849432
That's my point. Save stating doesn't actually affect the gameplay, it just makes it possible to arbitrarily save and reload at whim. It effectively removes all challenge present simply because you're no longer obligated to restart at Game Over. How can it be called a challenge without the possibility of failure? Why have Game Over at all, if you can just reload? It's all missing the point of having Game Over to begin with.

The assist block, despite being elective, is demonstrative of the issue I'm bringing to light: Coddling players has become standard practice. Players are allowed to choose if their game gets completed despite not overcoming the challenge it presents. If they're not going to bother trying to overcome the challenge, why not simply watch a walkthrough online? The only reason I could imagine is a desire to beat the game yourself, which you can't claim to have done earnestly if you're using assistive features like save stating.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 00:13:48 2022 No.8849809

>>8849626
Dunno man. Think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Having elective "easy modes" for select segments to me does not all take away from the experience or directive of the games. I'd argue this idea of having easy mode electives, if anything, gives developers the means to say "here, we made this elective easy mode, so we don't HAVE to tone down the base game/hard mode". If anything, it allows you to have your difficult modes by having this alternative proxy mode as a get out of jail free card for the "casual" base.
For myself, I do like to play games, but every now and again I do run into something that just is awful design, and it can be so frustrating that i can't progress in the game because of one pain in the ass segment that just gatekeeps me from the rest. Great example would be in Sonic Heroes, the Deep Jungle alligator segment. Filtered the shit out of me as a kid and I never actually got to play the rest of the game as a result. Would've died for an easy mode for JUST that segment and done the rest of the game normally.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 00:30:09 2022 No.8849829

I'm a console coomlector.
I get a console, I get its respective flashcart/ode, RGB cable, power supply, and generally a second controller.
If easy enough, I'll disassemble it and give the controllers and console a wash.
And then it sits in a plastic container, only to be occasionally brought out to test.
Most of the consoles I get I have sat down and played through whole games with, but there are some I got purely for coomlecting, like the Master System and 2600.
I've got pretty much every major console, but there are things like the 3DO, CD-i and Jaguar that I want, but know I'm barely gonna touch when I buy them.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 00:32:54 2022 No.8849834

>>8849829
Only kinda based. I coomlected a whole lot of shit just like you and got flash carts, but I do cycle them out of storage occasionally and do actually play them, so it's not strictly collecting, but I have far more than one person needs but fuck everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 01:55:04 2022 No.8849957 >>8849809 https://youtu.be/0mVkd5JB7Tw

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 02:01:58 2022 No.8849969 >>8846292 Gotta make it a goal to beat, or just have 1 good cart around.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 02:30:28 2022 No.8850021

>>8849957
kek, fun to watch. The spiteful child in me that just missed arcades (they shut down early in my shithole) enjoys watching someone breeze through. I'd totally take a run or two on practice before giving it a real go.
I also personally am spectacularly shit at this type of arcade spatial setup (I have no idea what the fuck the name is. I want to say isometric but I don't think that's right?)

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 02:48:51 2022 No.8850048 [DELETED]

>>8840353
I'm not one of the faggot zoomers in this thread, I remember Ninja Gaiden being considered infamously, ridiculously, retardedly hard even in the 80s. It just was, no amount of "haha dude just play for 2-3 days and its easy" is going to historically revise that.

Anonymous Tue Apr 26 03:32:05 2022 No.8850121

>>8849291
>Pic related

Lot's of games have always had cheats built in. The Konami code is famous for a reason. The difference is nowadays they call it "improvements" or "assists" because they're afraid the customer will feel insulted if they call it a cheat. It got to the point where people now genuinely believe that clicking on a button in Final Fantasy VIII to have max stats and all items and to rewind every death in Super Mario is part of the game's rules because "it's in the game", as if games didn't always have cheats built in.

I don't care if one wants to play with cheats if that's his thing, but the pathetic thing is telling oneself that cheating isn't cheating and coming up with some twisted mental gymnastic to try and justify it.
It takes me back to days of playing simple games at recess at school and there is always that one kid being caught cheating and throwing a fuss every time he's caught, until eventually everyone leaves him be because he's just wasting everyone's time. Except now the entire system is built on cattering to that kid just because the publisher don't want to hear that fuss on twitter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 03:39:15 2022 No.8850126 >>8849494 pffffffffffffffffffffft Good lord if that's the least you did in jr. high you're a saint. Pre-free internet porn was a scramble.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 04:35:02 2022 No.8850209 File: 51 KB, 640x444, 1633333619641.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >when people use this thread to vidya virtue signal jesus christ what thread do you think this is? Shit is just mad and goofy. We don't care.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 05:49:47 2022 No.8850357 >>8848892 the fuck are you on about, schizo?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 05:56:02 2022 No.8850369 >>8850048 It's easy if you play for 2-3 days as a full-grown functional adult. Nobody's contesting the fact that it would be much harder and take much longer for a little kid to get good at a game like Ninja Gaiden.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 06:09:08 2022 No.8850387 I put Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers cart I borrowed between my butt cheeks before returning it. Kiss my ass Matthew

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 07:01:26 2022 No.8850482 >>8838734 I remember renting a medieval Star Fox game and I never knew who he was until I was a grown up and never found the game again

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 07:47:12 2022 No.8850616 >>8838734 I hate video games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 09:41:17 2022 No.8850818 I want a Dreamcast but literally the only two games I'm interested in are SA1 and 2, and those are easily emulated/have a ton of ports. Maybe skies of arcadia but it's the same deal

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 16:22:17 2022 No.8851936 >>8850818 Just get a model that supports burning your games, nigger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 16:37:19 2022 No.8851978 >>8849969 Pretty sure I'm just old and my dopamine receptors for gaming, or perhaps all things, are fried. I still play something to completion now and then, don't get me wrong. It's just doesn't catch my sails as often as it used to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 16:50:26 2022 No.8852008 File: 25 KB, 731x481, ayumi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8849494

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 16:51:00 2022 No.8852012 >>8850818 Emulate, simple.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 17:10:33 2022 No.8852056 File: 9 KB, 243x178, pikaaaah.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8838734 >I paid five bucks to buy SMB on 3DS Virtual Console

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 17:27:29 2022 No.8852098 >>8852056 i did that with zelda 1 years ago dw

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 18:17:20 2022 No.8852247 >>8850209 >We don't care, you can tell because I said so Suure

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 19:45:52 2022 No.8852447 >>8852056 Did that with more games on the Wii Virtual Console than I'd care to admit, until I realized they're literally just being emulated same as on PC and ceased being a retard (for this particular thing).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 26 20:56:37 2022 No.8852647 sometimes i watch videos of people playing a game and then claim that i played it myself and by sometimes i mean all the time i haven't actually played a game sine the 90s

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 12:05:10 2022 No.8854437 After playing Oracle of Ages, I drew the in-game sprite of Nayru but fat. I think I was like 13 or something when I did it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 12:13:53 2022 No.8854453 >>8854437 As a joke or as a precursor to a fetish that you now have?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 12:54:48 2022 No.8854527 >>8854453 As a precursor.

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 17:34:23 2022 No.8855373
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>>8838741
How? I once dropped mine behind the school bleachers, from the very top row, onto the hardwood floor below. The only thing that happened to it was the battery compartment came open and the batteries flew out. I don't even think the little tab on the door was damaged. These fuckers were built like tanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 17:43:29 2022 No.8855402 >>8852647 >havent played a game since the 90s not being a dick i am just genuinely very curious 1. wtf you doing here 2. what are your hobbies?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 17:46:44 2022 No.8855410 >>8839941 PSP E-1000

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 17:49:09 2022 No.8855418 >>8849148 they made him this way

Anonymous Wed Apr 27 18:08:30 2022 No.8855474

>>8838734
Morrowind and its expansions
Wizardry 8
Heroes of Might and Magic 3
Space Rangers 1 and 2
SPORE
Doom 2016
Doom Eternal
Borderlands 1-3

I have played hundreds, if not thousands of games in my life, but these are the ONLY games I have ever bought legit copies of, and Borderlands 1-2 were on 95% discount due to the release of 3, which I also got with a heavy discount coupon. Everything else is piracy. My first PC came with preinstalled Doom 1, 2 and Heretic, but im pretty sure those were warez versions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 27 18:33:32 2022 No.8855543 >>8855474 heh pretty based

Anonymous Thu Apr 28 02:56:03 2022 No.8856621

I beta tested One Must Fall Battlegrounds and saw the problems, even the typoes in the story mode, and didn't say so. I just wanted to be good at the game before other people, and I was, and then it bombed and there was nobody to be better than at the game anyway. They never made another game.

Anonymous Thu Apr 28 03:21:21 2022 No.8856667

>>8856621
It's not your fault anon, there is no guarantee they would have fixed any of it. It's not like they shouldn't have realized the typo on their own. And if they really didn't, it means not even the devs played their own game meaning they obviously didn't care past doing the bare minimum to get paid on this project.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 28 12:22:35 2022 No.8857719 i own a genesis, snes, and n64 all with flashcarts but at the end of the day i would rather just emulate on my wii and play with a gamecube controller

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 28 22:36:33 2022 No.8859412 >>8856621 >I beta tested One Must Fall Battlegrounds Hello Aaron.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 01:29:40 2022 No.8859695 >>8838826 Fuck off, tourist. Priestjack has been here longer than you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 01:53:37 2022 No.8859742 >>8839624 honestly it's not even really mental gymnastics for me. The games are too hard, and I cant beat them unless I use save states. I want to see all the levels and how it ends so I use them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 02:22:53 2022 No.8859784 I've never played Mario 64. I mostly played PC games and was handed down a PS1 by my brother, by the time I got an N64 it was late into its life cycle

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 02:23:52 2022 No.8859790 >>8838734 I played Gunship 2000 on the easiest settings, so it was easier and more arcade than F-29 Retaliator. On my defense, I was like 10 back then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 02:24:21 2022 No.8859791 I like RE5 more than RE4, but that's not retro

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 29 04:53:39 2022 No.8860023 >>8839085 i think you mislabelled the autist, but your choice, really.

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