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People often love to point out how Sonic 2 has some slowdown on this (even though the original also has slowdowns in parts this one doesn't) but nobody ever mentions that Sonic Jam fixes a lot of other issues the original Genesis games have, like music and sound effects no longer having to share the same channels, so the music in, for example, Ice Cap Act 2 doesn't get fucked up with Sonic's spindash sound, or how the 2-player mode in Sonic 2 is actually playable (the original is literally unplayable due to slowdown, Sonic Jam has 0 slowdown).
Sonic Jam is the DEFINITIVE package for any true connoisseur of the blue blur and I'm literally tired of pretending otherwise.

>> No.8826721
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8826721

Sonic on a disc causes slow down.
The ps2 one is slow too.

>> No.8826725

>>8826704
>connoisseur

Connaisseur

>> No.8826736

>>8826721
>emulation
>ps2 version
>greatest hits version
anon, I

>> No.8826739

I've been playing the original Sonic 2 on my genesis a lot lately and it hasn't slowed down once

>> No.8826745

>>8826739
It does have some, but it's not too bad. Admittedly, the slowdown in Sonic Jam is a bit worse (but still not unplayably bad).
however, the 2 player mode in original Genesis is really bad, and there's 0 slowdown on Jam.

>> No.8826748

>>8826704
My sister and I played 2-player Sonic 2 all the time growing up, it was far from literally unplayable. I always wanted a Saturn though. My friend had one and I used to play Virtua Cop with him.
Then I moved away and he got addicted to heroin and OD’d a few years back. I miss him.

>> No.8826889

>>8826748
Well, at least he probably had a fun time while high on that shit.
Maybe not literally, but the slowdown on Genesis Sonic 2 multiplayer is harsh. So much for blast process.

>> No.8826902

>>8826704
Sonic Jam is 100% unacceptable because the music was a lossy recording of the output of a genesis.

>> No.8826979

>>8826902
I don't like how the music cutsoff or loops weird with the Saturn

>> No.8827394

Sonic 1 has a ton of slowdown and lag, is it the same in the Saturn version?

>> No.8827743

>>8826902
>recording of the output of a genesis.
SOUL.
i don't think it sounds even bad.
>>8826979
yeah this is annoying but still Jam has a lot going for it, I agree with OP.
Sound effects are also of higher quality on Sonic Jam than on Genesis.
>>8827394
Sonic 1 doesn't have any slowdown that I can remember on Jam. The only game that has extra slowdown on Jam is Sonic 2.
Also, Sonic 1 in Sonic Jam is based on the japanese version of Sonic 1, which has more parallax effects than the US/EU versions.

>> No.8827974

>>8826902
Really? That sounds kinda stupid and authentic at the same time. I don't think it sounds bad though. As far as I've notice, it's pretty much identical.
>>8827394
No slowdowns at all, at least in the european version of Jam (which in itlsef is a huge upgrade from the disastrous 50hz PAL Sonic 1 on the Mega Drive).

>> No.8827981

>>8827743
>Sound effects are also of higher quality on Sonic Jam than on Genesis.
Are you sure about that? I remember them sounding very compressed and lossy

>> No.8828000

>>8826704
Why can't you just play Absolute like a normal person?

>> No.8828003

>>8828000
>Mods
>Normal person
Pick one

>> No.8828589

>>8828000
waste of trips

>> No.8828603

>>8828000
trips of truth

>> No.8828631

>>8826704
On Saturn it's running natively too. No emulation. Pretty spic.

>> No.8828672
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8828672

Weren't these versions true ports to the Saturn as opposed to later releases being emulation? I remember watching a video regarding how this was one of the better ways to play the original Sonic Trilogy with some extra original features and of course Sonic World. I wonder if the slow down just comes down to weird optimization quirks when porting the game over to the Saturn because the slowdowns exist at weird parts of the game, but other places that suffered on the Genesis run better in comparison, also the multiplayer being not shit. The music aspect is probably the more interesting thing here because the music was captured directly off a Model 1 Genesis so having the music not be altered by weird emulation issues, or sound channels being overtaken by other sound effects was something that was never properly addressed in later versions. I'm wondering how Sonic Origins will fare since those too will be direct ports of the games and will offer 16:9 widescreen for all the games, and have Sonic CD like Jam should have had in the first place, let alone every other god damn Sonic collection outside of Sonic Gems. It concerns me that the ports are being handled internally by Sega so I'm wondering if they're gonna bother adding the bonus stuff from Sonic 2's mobile port or any bonuses at all regarding lost content and the like.

>> No.8828676

Scott the Woz owns this game.

>> No.8829243

>>8828676
Mike Matei doesn't. On Suicide watch.

>> No.8829259

>>8828676
And?

>> No.8829265

>>8828676
Lucky bastard.

>> No.8829308

>>8828672
Having played the trilogy on Saturn, the slow down is very difficult to explain. Sonic 2's the only one with any real problems but slow down happens when there's very little on screen or coming up. Seeing what some fans are doing with SotN right now it wouldn't surprise me if Jam could be cleaned up too.

>> No.8829317

>>8826902
I'm not sure about this. I was fucking around with the sound test in the game world, and I noticed the music actually comes out of my surround speakers and shit too. Like different channels of the track will play differently in each speaker. I dunno if that's just a Saturn thing or what.

>> No.8829360

>>8829243
Mike Matei owns Sapphire. Check mate

>> No.8829378

>>8826704
>music and sound effects no longer share the same channel
Soulless.

>> No.8829506

>>8826902
What's odd is the Saturn's sound chip is more that capable of replicating the sound of a lot of 80's Yamaha FM Synth chips with it's FM Synth capabilities. For example here's a demo of it doing the Space Harrier theme using the FM Synth features:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHky1Tf8TWo

I don't think the Genesis would be that far out of reach. 6 4OP FM Synth channels would still leave 8 PCM channels. You could probably do the PSG and PCM channels with the remaining 8 channels.

>> No.8830423

>>8829360
based
>>8829378
cringe

>> No.8830954
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8830954

>>8826704
Here comes a new challenger!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzHXjAJ86Zw

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>>8830954
lol
lmao

>> No.8832490

>>8830954
240p support?

>> No.8832521

>>8826704
Sonic Jam is a bit wonky but I cherish it for what it is.

>> No.8832539

>>8832521
for all intents and purposes it's a great way to play the original trilogy. Only problem is Sonic 2 but it's not even that bad and as OP said, it did fix its multiplayer mode.

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>>8829308
Funny you replied to my post because as of this post I've finally played it for myself. I recently bought a JP copy for my Saturn and had to pick it up from the post office but I was able to play through Sonic 1 & 2 today so far and I know what you mean. Still haven't played Sonic 3 yet, but as I'm typing this I have the save select menu on idle behind me.
Sonic 2's slowdown is quite.... odd. They're like pockets of faint lag that usually aren't happening all the time, but when they happen you can FEEL it happening and it's very strange because they're at the most random locations. Still managed to get all the Chaos emeralds and wasn't really affected by the slowdown during my time playing, but it was just really fucking weird to experience.

>> No.8833032

>>8830967
>>8830954
Sonic 3 in 16:9 finally is cool. However DLC is bullshit I hate modern games adding dlc to everything.

>> No.8833372

>>8826704
Android is the best version. Get a grip on reality

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8833390

>>8828676
so do i

>> No.8833397

>>8830954
>Hat
Ponders is gonna sue!

>> No.8833430

>>8829308
>>8832718
speaking as someone who's only ever emulated jam: is input lag a part of it too? or is that just shitty saturn emulation?

>> No.8833760

>>8833430
shitty emulation

>> No.8834957

It's pretty crazy how all the good Sonic stuff can be stored in just 2 CDs. Sonic Jam for the Saturn and Sonic CD for the Sega CD.

>> No.8834962

>>8828676
Probably donated to him, like most of Scott the Pozzed's collection.

>> No.8834965

>mfw didn't live in the timeline where I got to play Sonic Jam as a kid
Feels bad man

>> No.8834971

>>8828676
>>8829360
How did you two end up like this?

>> No.8834975

>>8834971
Not them, but holy shit I just realized I rank my favorite e-celebs according to their collections. I often think some of them have overrated collections that lack any actual rare games (like the game sack guy)

>> No.8834980

>>8833397
The hat thing came from the Sonic OVA though.

>> No.8834991

>>8834971
How did it come to this? After all we've been through
Two of a pair, now on opposite sides
From the very start, with honor we dueled
We watched each other's back and we battled with pride
WE ARE CLOSER THAN BROTHERS
BUT NOW WE HAVE TO FIGHT EACH OTHER
AND WE TRUST OUR FATE TO THE HEART OF THE CARDS
NO MATTER WHAT

>> No.8835571

>>8834980
Doesn't matter, he was able to get the courts to side with him due to Archie not having the paperwork to disprove him. He's already filed a claim due to the Sonic 2 movie.

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>>8834991

>> No.8835757

completely fucked sound effects
still has slowdown
blue sphere no longer increases in speed, making it far easier

>> No.8835814

I'm doing the thing where I fart & shit all over the wallllls. YYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESS.

>> No.8835862

>>8835757
>completely fucked sound effects
Define "fucked", they sound of better quality actually.
>still has slowdown
Sonic 2? yeah, but it removes some of the slowdown of the original in exchange, and the multiplayer is fixed without slowdown unlike the original
>blue sphere no longer increases in speed, making it far easier
fair enough but not a reason to write off based Sonic Jam.
Try Again!

>> No.8836180

>>8833430
definitely emulation, I haven't had any issues playing through S3&K, let alone the other titles. Been smooth sailing aside from the weird aspects of S2.

>> No.8837127

>go to a Sonic Jam video on youtube
>comment box is full of "Scott the Woz sent me here"

>> No.8838407

>>8837127
He owns the game.

>> No.8838409

>>8838407
I heard he owns the game?

>> No.8838415

>>8826725
both spellings are correct

>> No.8838462

>>8838409
He does.

>> No.8839375

how does it emulate? I want to try the 3D Sonic mini game.

>> No.8841091

only plebs don't appreciate based Jam