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What went wrong?

>> No.8809942

Didn't Rare use the b team on this one?

>> No.8809943

>>8809942
yes, the level designer for 1&2 (Greg Mayles) barely did anything for this one, i still like it through

>> No.8809947

Game fucking blows especially if you play them in order, you come off the highs of 2 into the muddy shit of 3

>> No.8809957

>>8809939
It's my favourite. I can tell you some: the team was divided between two games and consoles. David Wise wasn't in there.

If you're talking to gamers: they don't like Kiddy Kong because it changed the mechanics too much.

I liked it. The Music was amazing. And no it wasn't David Wise. It was a woman who cooparated with him in the past.

A bunch of new mechanics were introduced. It was at the tail end of the SNES it's lifespan, most had already moved on to "3d'.

The baddies were different: 'They went from croqs, to spiders and were less charismatic'.


Long Story short: Most people were ready to move on to "3D". Playstation had Resident Evil at the same time. Gamers were getting older.

>> No.8809974

>>8809957
Music absolutely blows, the gba version had Wises music and even with the GBA short comings sounds better then the snes.

Also, what new mechanics besides the open world which adds almost nothing? Plus for a late fen SNES title it's so fucking ugly. Colors all blur together.

In short, the game sucks

>> No.8809981

>>8809957
>they don't like Kiddy Kong because it changed the mechanics too much
The fact that the game went back to a strong/nimble playable character combo is probably the single right idea the game had. The rest was just misguided "innovation" slapped on a slightly less inspired iteration of everything the previous games had already done.

>> No.8809983

It's a Super Nintendo game that sold 3.5million copies in 1996 after the N64 launched and received good reviews from critics.
DKC 3 is not "the black sheep of the family" among DKC fans and is well respected. It's just not as good as 2.

>> No.8809986

>>8809957
Some of my favorite DK tracks come from this game, the tree climbing music especially.

>> No.8809991

>>8809983
>DKC 3 is not "the black sheep of the family" among DKC fans and is well respected. It's just not as good as 2.
It's a difficult question. DKC3 is 'The Terminator' and DKC2 is 'T2'.

>> No.8810000

>playing as a BABY or a GURL?! eww

>> No.8810003

>>8809986
I didn't learn until a couple of months earlier, this wasn't David Wise's soundtrack. They sound similar since they used the same equipment, but I also feel there's a same amount of soul there. As much as I hate to use that word. Or at least they were kindred. Listen to this track and tell me this is not from David Wise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUbr_rnuvA0

>> No.8810013

>>8810003
A lot of the first DKC was Evelin as well. Tree Top Rock, Ice Cave Chant and my all time favorite DKC track Forest Frenzy.
I love Wise's music but Evelin did some great stuff.

>> No.8810031

>>8809939
It's fine. It just wasn't able to live up to the sky-high expectations set by DKC2. But it did well and was well-regarded at the time. It only seems like a "black sheep" now because its detractors are vocal as fuck.

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>>8809991
That's a weird comparison, but it does set up the one that actually works:
DKC is T1.
DKC is T2: builds up and expands on the predecessor, managing to improve on almost every aspect (if sacrificing the fresh self-contained simplicity of the original as a necessity of streamlining it)
DKC2 is T3: tries to built on that already streamlined basis, with efforts on additional innovation failing to get anywhere particularly interesting and ultimately being simply a collection of common elements at that time slapped on top of the original framework . The ultimate result is creatively stunted but still acceptable, though it's still judged harshly based on compounded expectations.

>> No.8810040

>>8810013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Bi-lcUxCk

>> No.8810043

>>8809939
I mellowed out on DKC3 after hating it through childhood and teenage years. The atmosphere and setting is comfy, the brothers bear are cool and the 100% quest is the best out of the trilogy, minus the bird simon says. Enemy redesigns are gross all around and Kiddy sucks, all in all still a great game.

>> No.8810048

>>8810043
It's better than DKC2.

>> No.8810053

>>8810048
Nah.

>> No.8810054

You'd think by now someone would've made a ROM hack that replaces Kiddy with Donkey. Of course, it's probably harder than it sounds even if you make him play the exact same as Kiddy, and that's not even getting into things like editing the title screen, the game over screen, and other such instances to reflect the change.

>> No.8810063

>>8809939
>log on indonesian crocheting forum
>find popular game that is held in high regard
>"what went wrong?"
tried and true formula for engagement. I'll go and make such a thread myself now

>> No.8810067

>>8810063
What did you mean by this?

>> No.8810068

>>8810053
Yes it is. There's a sense of melancholy there that you can't find in DKC2.

>> No.8810087

>>8810054
Actually, better yet: instead of replacing Kiddy outright, maybe have it so after you beat the game, you unlock both Donkey and Diddy and are now able to use them (honestly, they should've done this with DKC2 as well), and doing so also unlocks them for new playthroughs, or failing that, the game gives you a code to input in the name selection screen to unlock them from the beginning. In a new playthrough, you'd be able to choose which two of the four kongs you want to play with, and the other two will be the captured kongs you have to rescue. Maybe have it so you rescue one when you beat KAOS the first time, and the second after beating K. Rool.

>> No.8810092

>>8810063
>>find popular game that is held in high regard
Except that it isn't. Learn your gaming history man. It went by unnoticed because Playstation and the advent of 3d were around the corner.

DKC 3 was the swan song of a dying console. Yoshi's Island came a bit earlier and was better.

>> No.8810095

>>8809939
>What went wrong?
It's worse than 2.
But better than 1.

>> No.8810108

>>8810092
Over 3.5 million sales is not "unnoticed". Sure, it pales compared to the nearly 10 million of the original, but those are not bad sales figures at all. And get your history straight. DKC3 didn't release with the Playstation and 3D "around the corner". They were already there and in full swing. Hell, the N64 was already out. For it to sell that much on a thoroughly outdated and outclassed system in the midst of next-gen hype is pretty good.

>> No.8810113

>>8810092
Yoshi's Island is miles worse than any of the DKC games.

>> No.8810121

>>8810092
>Except that it isn't
multi-million seller that got positive reviews in its time
STFU

>> No.8810125

>>8810113
It's pascals better in my opinion

>> No.8810130

>>8810108
I stand corrected. I was there too you know.
>>8810121
No.

>> No.8810134

Its worst crime is no likable remaining protagonist. Its levels are slightly worse but not enough to call it bad, it's all on Kiddy and Dixie.

>> No.8810162

Nothing. Is good like DKC 2 and 1.

>> No.8810185

I have nitpicks with DKC3, but it's still an amazing game.

The real blunder of the series is DK64, by far.

>> No.8810203

>>8810185
>The real blunder of the series is DK64
Yes. They went completely overboard with the collect-a-ton. Not many people have experienced this but the multiplayer, which you would think was added as an afterthought, was so fucking great. N64 had a lot of hidden multiplayer gems.

>> No.8810221
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>>8810003
Rockface Rumble uses a remixed melody from Mining Melancholy as the guitar part.

@0:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qp0_NE8M1c

The same is true for Primal Rave, which is a remix of Aquatic Ambiance.

>> No.8810246

>>8810185
Banjoo Kazooie was Donkey Kong Country in 3D no.

>> No.8810276

It’s Rare starting to emerge themselves into collectathon stuff. In DKC2, you had to collect Kremkoins to access the final world and that was that, but DKC3 has that and more. There’s Bear Tokens, Banana Birds, DK coins, cogs and bonus coins, all of which are needed to clean the game 100%, which is a bit much. The music is good but it’s nowhere near as high quality as DKC1 and 2. The new animal buddies suck (Ellie is a worse version of Rambi with a load of handicaps and the Parallel Bird is bizarre and fairly useless outside of getting bonuses). Level design is but there’s a few stages with stupid not fun gimmicks (“hey, play this level but with the controls backwards!”, etc). Doing the fetch quests for the bears isn’t fun either. The game is still fun but, to me at least, it’s the weakest of the trilogy. That being said, I love the overworld and seeing everything take shape and come together as you do more tasks for the Bears and see things changing and the game still has a lot of charm to it. It’s just got too much going on and some of the new stuff they added is pretty weak imo

>> No.8810282

Nothing went wrong, it's fine.
Also, if you didn't get 105% and the Immortal Monkey ranking, then you didn't actually beat it.

>> No.8810310

>>8809939
DKC3 is one of the comfiest games ever made, and is full of a unique character that distinguishes it from the typical adventure settings (jungle, pirates) of the previous games. I've heard the setting compared to Scandinavia and NW USA/Canada, but for me, it recalls an old-fashioned backwoods Americana. The woodsy environment and the presence of the bear brothers give it this Hanna-Barbera feel. Then you have the vaguely ominous new-age music soundtracking it. The subtle, murmuring music makes the otherwise homey environs seem uncanny and mysterious. The end result is more than the sum of its parts.

>> No.8810331

>>8809939
The graphics in areas look like they don't have enough colours to show the artists vision while some areas look better but overall it is 24mbit so a reduction in memory.

>> No.8810343

>>8810282
Not only did I do it, I also did it on the GBA as well. Pacifica fucking sucks.

>> No.8810352

>>8810276
>all of which are needed to clean the game 100%, which is a bit much
A 103%. Which I never understood either.

>> No.8810362

>>8809939
I'm baffled Nintendo hasn't done a 3D remake of the snes games. They could try to make them look as close to the original but render it all in HD and in real time. They could also fix 3 by using the GBA music but snes sound fonts.

>> No.8810363

>>8810276
>to me at least, it’s the weakest of the trilogy.
Oh no you fucking didn't.

>> No.8810367

>>8809983
>DKC 3 is not "the black sheep of the family" among DKC fans and is well respected. It's just not as good as 2.

The black sheep is DK64. Other than the rap it is not well received at all and sold even more than 3. In fact, it took ages for the series to recover from the hit DK64 did.

>> No.8810371

>>8810134
>Its worst crime is no likable remaining protagonist.

Dixie is great, just that they should have paired her with DK again instead of the ugly baby.

>> No.8810384

>>8810367
What are you talking about? DKC3 was the last Rareware game. Even the fact that we're discussing it. I played 'Timesplitters' on PS2, because some of that crew moved on. They were the best sequels to Goldeneye, but it just wasn't the same.

>> No.8810414

>>8810384
The controller was different. And the multiplayer was a joke. I didn't like the protagonist and I didn't like the style and humour. But I have to admire how similar in handling that game felt. It must've been the same guy or a couple of guys. I played Timesplitters on PS2 and it felt like I was playing Goldeneye on N64.

>> No.8810419

>>8810092
Gaming historians are so fucking gay and full of themselves
I owned this game when it came out and loved it. I'd played 1 and 2 previously.
MY OPINION is that of the three, one is actually the weakest, but only because it came first
Is this a popular opinion? No.

IN MY OPINION, Yoshi's Island is a better game than all three of them. It has a charm to it that they never have managed to replicate in another Yoshi title.
Yoshi's Story and Yoshi's Crafted World both suffer from feeling soulless and unalive

>> No.8810528

DKC 3 is keyed. Diddy is keyed, Dixie is cringe because she's a girl. If you disagree you didn't play the game a kid, you a poser zoomer. No young boy wanted to play some lame ass girl monkey, you wanted to be the huge crusher boy kong.

>> No.8810535

>>8810528
Hush, Tyrone.

>> No.8810713
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>>8810419
>Gaming historians are so fucking gay and full of themselves
How does that discredit whatever they are saying.
>IN MY OPINION, Yoshi's Island is a better game than all three of them
I agree. Stop shouting.
>Soulless and unalive
please kill yourself.

>> No.8810734

>>8809939
comfy game but way too easy

>> No.8810789

>>8810246
Banjo-Kazooie. Super Mario 64. Crash Bandicoot. All are more worthy of being real successors to DKC than DK64.

>> No.8810805

>>8809974
The open world part actually was super fun back in the day desu.

>> No.8810806

>>8809939
Absolutely nothing you retard

>> No.8810856

>>8809942
>>8809943

most of the same team went on to make donkey kong 64

>> No.8810871

>>8810734
Ask me how I know you never finished it.

>> No.8810905

>>8810363
forgive me anon-sama, for I have sinned…

>> No.8810964

>>8810535
Diddy is huge and strong he will grow up to be like Donkey. Why would you skip playing him and choose Dixie, she looks like Diddy Kong transvestite mode.

>> No.8811010

>>8810905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcZaLqwdTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJPDgJ1q3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLF3fvnuXo4

>> No.8811105

>>8809957
mine too

>> No.8811163

>>8810419
>MY OPINION is that of the three, one is actually the weakest, but only because it came first
It might not be the popular opinion but it is the correct one. 1 fucking sucks in a lot of ways that the other games vastly improved on. Only reason it doesn't get shit on like it deserves is cause
>it was the first!!!

>> No.8811192

Always thought the world theme was a little bland (I like the ridges and industrial levels though). It also feels like too standard a sequel compared to DKC2 which really felt like a genuine followup, going into K Rool's territory and exploring locales that weren't in the first game at all (theme park, haunted gulch, volcanic cavern, etc).

>> No.8811197

>>8811192

yeah DKC3 is fine but there's nothing that surprised or wowed me. you jump between woodlands, factories, and mountains with some swimming in between and that's about it

>> No.8811476

>>8810856
No. The DK64 team was mostly new people that didn't work on the other games. But people from the Banjo team did help during the final months.

>> No.8811490

>>8810352
Only 103%? Pathetic.

>> No.8811492

>>8811163
DKC1 is very accomplished. DKC1 doesn't have many meaningful flaws, but DKC2 added lots of new content that pushed a higher standard (vertical levels, water/land hybrid levels, lost world, more climactic, etc).

>> No.8811697

>>8810713
>please kill yourself.

you first gayboi

>> No.8811864

>>8810048
Nah man

>> No.8812047

>>8811490
It could've been a 107%. I don't recall. But it's ridiculous. 100% is a 100%. You can do no more. I hate that it's become a common nomer to say: "I'm going to give myself a 110% today'. If I was in a hiring position, you'd be the first one I throw in the trash. Only lazy faggots say such a thing.

>> No.8812170

>>8811492
>DKC1 doesn't have many meaningful flaws
I highly disagree. For one save points in later levels are way too far from the start. It gets annoying having to replay a bunch if levels because you couldn't save. Second off, the sheer amount of levels that amount to
>here's a section where you just line up barrels and if you miss, you instantly die!
You'll notice that 2 fixed those shit levels by filling them with spikes so even if you fucked up you got two chances instead of just insta killing your ass.
The latter mostly gets annoying because late game is FILLED with them.

>> No.8812849

>>8809939
release date in 13 December 1996, everybody moved to saturn, pc and psx

>> No.8812854

>>8812047
>>Sperging out on a common saying used by people to motivate themselves
Yeah, there's a reason why you hold no position of power in life

>> No.8812858

>>8809939
DK2 was acceptable because it had Diddy Kong in it still making it just one character removed from DK. DK3 then was one character removed from DK2 leaving it entirely without any protagonists to care about.

>> No.8812940

>>8812858
You're missing the point. jfc do you play Mario for the story.

>> No.8813032

>>8812940
>do you play Mario for the story
Yes. Mario RPG was best Mario story btw

>> No.8813084

>>8812858
Nobody important cares about Donkey Kong as a character.

>> No.8813334

Why do people hate Kiddy Kong so vehemently? I think he's funny. He's a big retard baby with retard strength.

>> No.8813348
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8813348

>>8813084
Wrong.

>> No.8813350

>>8813348
>Wrong.
Correct actually. Some dumb timeline graphic doesn't change that
>>8813334
They're edgy I guess and don't like playing as a baby

>> No.8813357

>>8813350
Timeline chart is a joke you literal autist.

>> No.8813369

>>8813357
>implying I even looked at the worthless image enough to know that
I win again, autist

>> No.8813375
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8813375

>>8809939

Why couldn't Donkey Kong 64 just use Dixie Kong and Kiddy Kong instead of Tiny and Chunky. baka. God what could've been.

>> No.8813774

>>8810048
No

>> No.8813798

>>8812849
>everybody moved to saturn, pc and psx
That's why DKC3 soled 3.5 million copies right?

>> No.8813802

>>8813375
>Why couldn't Donkey Kong 64 just use Dixie Kong and Kiddy Kong instead of Tiny and Chunky. baka. God what could've been.

TIL that those are separate characters.

>> No.8813903

>>8809974

>Music absolutely blows, the gba version had Wises music and even with the GBA short comings sounds better then the snes.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I can't comprehend it.

The GBA game absolutely massacred the music

https://youtu.be/pJHgjI2bMlM

https://youtu.be/NLF3fvnuXo4

>> No.8813935

>>8813903
KEK I'd never heard this one. What a shitshow.

Though to be fair, for the SNES track you posted a fan "restoration" and not the SNES track proper, so it's not quite a 1:1 comparison, but it's a no-contest regardless.

>> No.8814184
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8814184

I'm playing it right now. As a kid I kinda bounced off of it, and didn't make it past the second world, though now I'm on the 5th world (Ice one). It's not so bad.

Still have no idea where the idea for this thing came from. Some type of giant rock/slug thing.