/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8785865]

What do you autists think of the pixel remasters?

[Anonymous No.8785869]

The GBA games are better and the definitive edition
https://youtu.be/WI2nJKSdS4w

[Anonymous No.8785872]

>>8785865
I like 6's music and spell effects a lot. The font sucks but it can be fixed. OTOH, scrolling is weirdly juddery at times, font sucks (but can be easily fixed), and the salute being censored to a weird two armed cheer is realllllll gay. Aren't nahtsees bad? Why change it? I've noticed a weird trend in fiction lately to talk about them without naming or referencing them too directly. Just fruity.

[Anonymous No.8785876]

I like 6's music and spell effects a lot. The font sucks but it can be fixed. OTOH, scrolling is weirdly juddery at times, font sucks (but can be easily fixed), and the salute being censored to a weird two armed cheer is realllllll gay. Aren't nahtsees bad? Why change it? I've noticed a weird trend in fiction lately to talk about them without naming or referencing them too directly. Just fruity.

[Anonymous No.8785882]

>>8785865
I like 6's music and spell effects a lot. The new graphics overall are fine. Being able to speed things up without fucking up the sound is nice. OTOH, scrolling is weirdly juddery at times, the font sucks (but can be easily fixed), and the salute being censored to a weird two armed cheer is realllllll gay. Aren't nahtsees bad? Why change it? I've noticed a weird trend in fiction lately to talk about them without naming or referencing them too directly. Just fruity.

[Anonymous No.8785886]

>>8785876
Oh fuck you dude, let me fix my shit you absolute asshole, haha.

[Anonymous No.8785887]

We have this thread every couple of days. If you want content do the GBA ports or the original Steam releases with mods to fix the graphics. If you don’t care about the removes content then either play the remasters or the originals.

[Anonymous No.8785902]

>>8785865
I absolutely love III's remake but the rest are OK and inferior to other versions already available.

[Anonymous No.8786004]

>>8785865
FF1 is the best version with the OG magic system
FF3 is the best version thanks to better balancing
FFIV is about the same as the GBA/PSP and no one likes the After Years so it's not missed.
FFV is great.
FFVI is great.
Overall these are great remakes and a much needed replacement for the awful mobile remakes, like others have said the only really noticeable bad thing is the font choice.

[Anonymous No.8786063]

>>8785876
>I've noticed a weird trend in fiction lately to talk about them without naming or referencing them too directly
It's all part of the plan to slowly erase them from history so we can deny Nazi Germany ever happened.

[Anonymous No.8786290]

I question some of the choices that were made.
But luckily modding is pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.8786324]

I think the name is really stupid and haven't bothered because of that

[Anonymous No.8786392]

>>8786324
marketing department gonna market

[Anonymous No.8786574]

I've never played FFVI before. Should I just play the PR, or one of the countless romhacks of the original that make this or that change to the script? I've seen people decry the Woolsey translation as a mistake and claim it's the best one, and there's all sorts of in-between fan edits like Woolsey Uncensored or replacing it with the GBA translation for SNES ROMs.

[Anonymous No.8786628]

>>8786574
Honestly, the original is the to-go version but the GBA + patches has become my favorite way to play VI. The Pixel Remaster of VI is meh.
Obviously, avoid the PS1 version due to bugs and loading screens everywhere.

[Anonymous No.8786696]

>>8786574
It honestly doesn't matter. Get whichever version is most convenient for you to pick up and play.

[Anonymous No.8786718]

>>8785865
They're "fine". Just "fine". With mods, they can be pretty decent. A little better than "fine". Everything is just autism. Play the version most convenient to you.

[Anonymous No.8786775]

>8785869
2/10 made me reply

[Anonymous No.8786779]

>>8785869
>>8786775

[Anonymous No.8786796]

>>8785865
Waste of money. Play originals or ps1 versions if you can't handle NES games.
GBA ports are ass, too.

[Anonymous No.8786803]

>>8786574
No just play the fucking original unhacked snes rom. If you need to bug fix for evade sketch etc fine but no need for translation patches and other gay shit.

[Anonymous No.8786805]

>>8786803
projecting much

[Anonymous No.8786887]

They actually look WORSE than the SNES versions somehow

[Anonymous No.8786924]

>>8786887
that's just like
your opinion
man

[Anonymous No.8786929]

They suck, can we stop talking about this already

[Anonymous No.8786946]

>>8786803
Woosley did above average work on FFIII.

[Anonymous No.8787313]

>1
I prefer Restored NES, no idea what people see in PS collection
>2
PR, I've only played it once on NES, game sucks either way, last dungeon is mind numbing, pretty sure I could beat both RE2 and MGS in the time that it took me to beat final part of this game
>3
PR, I like it a lot
>rest
Just play SNES, man, it still looks beautiful

As for
>but they've made them easier
It's a jrpg, grinding and redoing dungeon 10 times because of RNG ain't takes no skill, just time

[Anonymous No.8787710]

>>8787313
I tend not to play SNES ROMs because I can't stop thinking about how to recapture the look of a CRT and which shaders are right for which games. I spent, collectively, 24 hours looking for a shader for DKC, which is a lot more hours than it takes to beat the game completely.

[Anonymous No.8787741]

>>8787710
>which shaders are right for which games
Just give up and buy a CRT. And why do you have different shaders for each game? Do you change TVs when you play a certain game?

[Anonymous No.8787959]

>>8787741
Who doesn't have a wall of TVs with individual consoles hooked up for specific games to look their absolute best on?

[Anonymous No.8788006]

>>8785869
GBA 1 and 2 have only one difficulty mode, and it's at least 50% below what it should be. The extra content for 1 is definitely not worth sticking around for; not sure about for 2.

[Anonymous No.8788662]

>>8788006
>The extra content for 1 is definitely not worth sticking around for
The extra content of I is definitely worth sticking around for. A couple of extra bosses alone are harder than the entirety of NES/PS1 Hard Mode FFI. Even better, the extra content alone is better than entire FFs that came after it.
>inb4 b-but muh difficulty
The only part of the original NES version is going through the shop to buy items or knowing which spells are broken or literally not working as intended. The game per se is easy as piss in every version they just made it less cumbersome. I will always miss the spaceship themed floating temple, though.

[Anonymous No.8788685]

>>8787710
Are you fuckin kidding me

[Anonymous No.8789046]

>>8785865
In terms of the original releases, the Pixel Remaster versions of the NES trilogy are just better from an objective standpoint, but it's debatable when it comes to the SNES trilogy. Of course, with so many re-releases of these games out there, there's also tons of debate that some of these games have had better re-releases. Safe to say the one most people care about is III, which never had a proper 2D remake since the Wonderswan version died in development.

[Anonymous No.8789069]

>>8786063
Literally the foundational myth of the western liberal order, no way theyre trying to erase them from history. My guess is that the nazis are becoming such a source of constant anxiety and terror for the true believers that it's become a Voldemort 'he who shall not be named' kind of thing - a superstition.

[Anonymous No.8789090]

>what if we took the archaic but clean graphics from the original game and the newer but decent graphics from the PSX games and mix them into one ugly pixelated mess
I can’t get over this. Music sounds nice, and it’s cool to see an official 2D version of III in the US (easily the best FF game on NES), but I’d rather have it one way or the other, not an aborted mixture of both. Just my opinion. Also playing on PC is a disaster.

[Anonymous No.8789117]

>>8786290
This. The mod community will flourish, especially since these are made in Unity.
>>8789090
Enjoy being stuck with vanilla.

[Anonymous No.8789129]

>>8788685
Why does Toad have a mustache?

[Anonymous No.8789140]

>>8789117
If you have to actively hack your game to turn it into the best version, doesn't that automatically make it not the best version by default?

[Anonymous No.8789181]

>>8789117
>Enjoy being stuck with vanilla.
I quite literally will, thank you

[Anonymous No.8789242]

>>8789090
>what if we took the archaic but clean graphics from the original game and the newer but decent graphics from the PSX games and mix them into one ugly pixelated mess
Things that didn't happen.

[Anonymous No.8789248]

>>8789129
That is not a mustache. Those are his DSLs

[Anonymous No.8789304]

8785865
Obligatory.

[Anonymous No.8789323]

>>8789304
For me.
It’s PSP. Through an emulator.

[Anonymous No.8789327]

>>8789304
>>8785865

[Anonymous No.8789332]

>>8789140
No one recommends any version of each game without some hack or another, so I guess there is no "best version" of any of the games.

[Anonymous No.8789336]

>>8789323
And for me? The PS1 version

[Anonymous No.8789359]

Up to 4 on my cell phone, I'm normally a CRT with real hardware autist. I dunno if I ever would have went back to 1 2 and 3 without it being on my phone on the go. 4 is really dragging since I feel like I'm missing too much playing on the go.

[Anonymous No.8789701]

>>8788685
Do you know how expensive these fucking things are now?

[Anonymous No.8789708]

>>8789304
Why in God's name would this be a gif? Completely defeats its purpose.

[Anonymous No.8789714]

>>8789708
That's the point.

[Anonymous No.8789747]

>>8789708
Better?

[Anonymous No.8789770]

>>8789747
Yes. What the fuck happened? Do the PRs have zero quality control?

[Anonymous No.8789782]

>>8789747
>PS onwards not only changed the graphics, but also moved Garland back a square, unnecessarily wasting the player's time
>Pixel completely removed the element (or fiend) statues

[Anonymous No.8789842]

>>8789747
>everything after gba keeps saturated assets
why

[Anonymous No.8789926]

>>8789842
It's even worse with FF6 where they use new battle backrounds saturated with GBA colors, more pastelish less saturated town/dungeon assets, GBA map with GBA colors to a fault, pastelish lighter player sprites, and SNES battle sprites. Everything's just a clusterfuck of awful colors and the world map looks fucked.

[Anonymous No.8789960]

>>8789926
looks fine to me

[Anonymous No.8790050]

>>8785869
im thinking of playing the psp versions of 1, 2 and 4 and play the advanced versions of the rest

[Anonymous No.8790191]

>>8789117
>Enjoy being stuck with vanilla.
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.8790656]

>>8789960
embarassing

[Anonymous No.8791892]

>>8789960
I mean, you might be fine with the other graphics, but I can't see how you'd be fine with the unaltered GBA world map. The water is literally bright purple.

[Anonymous No.8791908]

>Play through the original releases
>see the developers gradually refine the graphics, the cutscenes, etc, pushing the hardware to the limits time and time again over the course of two generations of hardware

>Pixel Remasters
>they all look the same, there's no improvement or leap in fidelity or anything because it's all the same fucking unity engine

The NES games are fucking cool cause they tried to fit entire D&D campaigns into kilobytes of data and somehow it (mostly) worked

[Anonymous No.8791972]

>>8789701
A crt? Idk about resell value but its a pain since thrift stores no longer accept them. The few ive found have been scrapped for copper.

[Anonymous No.8791984]

>>8791908
there's more to the games than graphics, you know

[Anonymous No.8792167]

>>8791984
such as?

[Anonymous No.8792620]

>>8792167
you can't seriously be asking that question, can you?
there's more to video games than graphics. there's gameplay for instance. you can still see how the game systems evolve from one entry to another. you can still see how the stories get more complex.

[Anonymous No.8792630]

They're okay ways to get into the original games if you're allergic to emulation, but altogether they're not that great. Maybe FFIIIPR stands on its own but its essentially a remake of the game with how much stuff is changed from the original release.
Every PR has problems, but there's also a huge modding potential that may make them worth owning in the long run - which would matter a lot more if FF didn't already have a strong romhack library.

[Anonymous No.8792636]

>>8792630
>but its essentially a remake of the game
they're literally all remakes

[P. Sevenleaf No.8792638]

>>8785869
>Definitive
Meaningless marketing buzzword.

[Anonymous No.8792697]

>>8792636
I meant remake in the sense of them building a new game with FFIII just being reference material, just like FFIII and IV DS.
Are you autistic, anon?

[Anonymous No.8792707]

>>8792697
Yeah, actually.

[Anonymous No.8792730]

>>8792707
Have you tried not being that?

[Anonymous No.8793109]

>>8791984
Right. Like the game engine. The presentation. The historical context.

The pixel remasters have none of that

[Anonymous No.8793370]

>>8785865
I like them, fuck the haters.

[Anonymous No.8793421]

I only played 1 to 3 and thought they were well made and might as well be the definitive edition of those games, granted you need to mod the UI so it doesn't look shit but a lot of peopel are too dumb to even do that.

[Anonymous No.8793509]

You guys talk about the GBA and PSP extra content but you don't play it anyways. It's not even good.

[Anonymous No.8795137]

>>8786004
i definitely like 3's balance a bit better but i wish they didn't fuck with the jobs so much. the white mage upgrade is useless.

[Anonymous No.8796954]

Been playing 1 and so far its alright. Biggest issue for me is the weird juddering I had to mod the game to fix, but otherwise, it's basically the same shit as the other easy mode remakes.

[Anonymous No.8797415]

>>8785865

I'll only speak for VI, but so many mods have come out in only two months it seems promising. They've already fixed so many problems, like the purple water and neon green grass. The OST is hit or miss depending on the track. If they can mod back in the GBA extras and maybe like a difficulty mod, it will easily be definitive. Its obviously easy to mod in graphical changes due to the huge number of mods that have come out in only two months, I wonder about gameplay alterations?

[Anonymous No.8797449]

>>8793509
>implying
It's great. The dungeons in I are soulful as fuck and add a lot of content and hard bosses to beat. Specially the clusterfuck dungeon added in the Anniversary Edition, which tests how much you know how to cheese with your party.

[Anonymous No.8797453]

>>8797449
>The dungeons in I are soulful as fuck
YEAH I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE YOU FUCKING FAG

[Anonymous No.8797464]

>>8797453
kek but honestly they are. Granted, some of the floors are kinda boring and too random encounter-friendly like the purple forest in Earthshrine or some of the lava floors in the Chasm, but then you get some incredibly souful floors like the resting spot for the dead where Astos' soul attacks you, the dead king/queen castle, the mage village or the Phantom Train cursed village.

[Anonymous No.8797469]

>>8793509
You made me go check my main PSP file. A quick calculation says I finished Earthgift Shrine at least 20 times, Hellfire Chasm at least 16 times, Lifespring Grotto 7 times, Whisperwind Cove 10 times and beat Chronodia 9 times.

[Anonymous No.8798050]

>>8797449
>>8797469
Those recicled overworld assets sure are great!

[Anonymous No.8798097]

>>8798050
>moving the goalpost
Regardless, I'd rather get reused assets than new tiles and sprites that clash in style or are simply jarring.

[Anonymous No.8798393]

>>8797415
They're allegedly possible. FF1 PR has a PS1 difficulty mod and FF4 has a mod that changes level reqs back to the PS1 version. Per twitter faggots, even modding in GBA extras should be doable with the memoria framework or whatever it's called, it's mainly a question of time and effort.

[Anonymous No.8798497]

>>8797464
>>8797469
Why did they rename Ultros

[Anonymous No.8798503]

>>8798393
FF1 basically has a NES overhaul mod. Though I'm unsure if it touches the difficulty or is just graphics/music.

[Anonymous No.8798673]

i'm ok with the early games not requiring a ton of grinding.

[Anonymous No.8798791]

>>8798497
>Why did they rename Ultros

the same reason they "renamed" Aeris. And Vicks (actually Biggs).

[Anonymous No.8798853]

>>8798497
Until FFVIII, translations were one big messy job. Ultros is just a bad translation of Orthros.

[Anonymous No.8798863]

I just need more HD-2D jrpegs

[Anonymous No.8798873]

>>8798853
Sure, but they're kind of doing a back and forth thing here. GBA FF1 called him Orthros. But then GBA FF6 took it back and returned to Ultros. Those shots are from the PSP version, where they again take it back and use Orthros. Then the Mobile and Pixel Remaster versions came out and both, again, returned to Ultros.
I didn't know that the PSP version went with Orthros again, that's why I asked.

[Anonymous No.8798884]

>>8798873
>Then the Mobile and Pixel Remaster versions came out
of FF6, I mean.

[Anonymous No.8799000]

>>8785865
For pretty much all of them I'd rather play the original or a different version.
1+2: PSX
3: Original or PR
4: Original or DS/Steam
5: Original
6: Original

[Anonymous No.8799032]

>>8798873
Whoever handled the GBA and PSP versions translated literally and correctly now knowing it was the Ultros from FFVI. It's ironically a localization error due to a correct translation. The same happened with the random names which are correctly translated but not localized (like Sarisa instead of Faris). Remember that sometimes times the translators don't see the accompanying and exact context of the text, specially when it's assumedly a table with names with near zero relevance.

[Anonymous No.8799063]

>>8799032
Isn't that what bibles are for? Are you saying Square doesn't have a Final Fantasy bible?

[Anonymous No.8799141]

>>8785865
trash

[Anonymous No.8799156]

>>8785865
I don't have money to waste on games I've already bought several times before and could easily download for free.

[Anonymous No.8799365]

I don't

[Anonymous No.8799649]

I really hate the UI. I wonder if it's possible for mods to fix it.

[Anonymous No.8799979]

>>8799649
Same. The game itself looks great but I don't like the modern looking, clean, high res UI. It's very jarring.

[Anonymous No.8799990]

As someone who never played the originals, it was alright. Pretty easy and simple games, clearly made for children.

[Anonymous No.8800002]

>>8785865
i just beat the pixel remastered version of part 1 it was my first jrpg and that shit was dope i havent played original but i think it was pretty cool

[Anonymous No.8800081]

>>8799063
It's Square. Anything that isn't next gen mainline, they are very loose about those details. They probably paid peanuts to a couple of translators to do the job, anyway. Even taking not /vr/ examples: Theatrhythm has a couple of localization mistakes and that HD remaster of Type-0 had most of its dialogue gutted and with some incongruences.

[Anonymous No.8800279]

>>8785865
They are basically perfect. My only critique is that I wish you could switch audio to each game's retro chiptune soundtracks. I still was really surprised how awesome the pixel remaster are in general though, would recommend.

[Anonymous No.8800301]

>>8789770
>oh no, that one room seconds before the end of the game doesn't have tiny little statues of the Elementals
I played the whole thing... this was the only thing noticeable missing. The worst part is they added diagonal movement and the screen doesn't scroll smoothly

[Anonymous No.8800382]

I wish the original remastered OST, which exists, could be chosen as your game's OST for the PR.

[Anonymous No.8802091]

>>8800382
huh?

[Anonymous No.8803102]

>>8798791
100% irrelevant changes. I got the Star Wars reference in 1994, changing Vicks to Biggs improves nothing and makes you a faggot for caring.

[Anonymous No.8803220]

>>8800382
It's pretty easy to mod into the game

[Anonymous No.8803230]

>>8799649
Like half the mods are UI changes

Font is very easy to swap, windows usually have a few options. Button prompts are swappable. FF icon can be hidden.

[Anonymous No.8803520]

>>8798393

thx

[Anonymous No.8804932]

>>8803520
ur welcum?