/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8780079]

Is the voice acting in FFX REALLY that bad? John DiMaggio is great in it.

[Anonymous No.8780093]

[Anonymous No.8780107]

no, retards think its bad because of the laughing scene which is intentionally supposed to be awkward

[Anonymous No.8780109]

You have to remember in 2001 you could count the amount of games that had “good” voice acting on one hand. Like many productions at the time, there was a language barrier between the Japanese directors and the English voice talent. What you end up getting are voices that fit the characters, but lack a lot of the subtle nuances that we think of when we think of good voice acting. James Arnold Taylor makes a great Tidus.

[Anonymous No.8780130]

>>8780079
No. The only really bad part was "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA," but other than that it was well-done.

[Anonymous No.8780136]

>>8780079
No. It is a great example of voice acting. Even the laughing part is done exactly as it should be, awkward.

[Anonymous No.8780147]

>>8780109
I'm about halfway into a playthrough of FFX International with an undub patch applied and every Japanese seiyuu's vocal performance so far has more or less the same tone/timbre as the English VAs from my memory of playing it years ago.

I was a little surprised when Seymour showed up with a familiarly breathy tone of voice, just as I remembered his English actor's performance. For some reason I was expecting a much deeper voice (see Raiden's seiyuu from MGS2 compared to his VA)

The English casting team for FFX really did knock it out of the park, despite all the technical/linguistic difficulties they faced when it comes to translation/timing/line delivery.

[Anonymous No.8780154]

>>8780079
In terms of voice acting

Wakka > *huge fucking power gap* > the "ride ze shoopuf?" guy > Auron > Seymour > Lulu > the rest

[Anonymous No.8780168]

Not retro

[Anonymous No.8780185]

I can only think of one particularly odd line:
When you get to Mt. Gagazet Tidus is having an internal monologue about feeling bad about promising to revisit the Moonflow or something. He says something along the lines of
“I wanted to see it again when all of this was over. With Yuna by my side.”
He says with Yuna by my side incredibly fast compared to everything else. It’s jarring.

[Anonymous No.8780221]

Lulu has the only bad voice. Wakka is awesome. Every other major character is good.

[Anonymous No.8780225]

>>8780185
>He says with Yuna by my side incredibly fast compared to everything else. It’s jarring
I'm so glad you are my best friend, Mark! AndILoveLisaSoMuch.

[Anonymous No.8780232]

>>8780079
its kino. From the very opening lines of V/A
>Listen to my story...

[Anonymous No.8780265]

>>8780185
They need to match it with the Japanese

[Anonymous No.8780325]

>>8780107
>intentionally

No it isn’t. I don’t blame the voice actor though. I blame the direction more.

[Anonymous No.8780346]

>>8780079
If you're referencing the meme, no.
It's perceived as "bad" because it was awkward and shown out of context, especially leaving out Wakka's remark at the end, asking if they're retarded.

It probably wouldn't have been memed as hard as it was if Tidus' inner monologue explained how he was feeling at that moment like he'd been doing throughout.
I feel some characters could've been directed a little bit better during certain scenes compared to the Japanese (namely Rikku, when arguing with Wakka), but the differences in tone work well enough for the most part and get the point across.

>>8780147
>despite all the technical/linguistic difficulties they faced when it comes to translation/timing/line delivery.
At least someone recognizes that.
There are some lines I found weird with how quickly they spit it out after a break in the sentence that I never understood as a pre-teen. This anon >>8780185 picked up on too.
It was usually with Tidus, Yuna and to a degree, Rikku.

>>8780154
>No Jecht, the Chadest VA

[Anonymous No.8780373]

>>8780109
His voice is whiny, geeky and twinky.

[Anonymous No.8780375]

>>8780325
Yes, in context of the scene even if the VA was perfect it should sound forced and awkward in that way but even if you look at new SE games like KH3 or SoP even good voice actors are directed to talk in this weird unnaturally stilted way. It can be endearing but I wouldn't call it good

[Anonymous No.8781278]

>>8780373
Seems pretty accurate to the Jap version.
He's dorky, clueless and immature.

[Anonymous No.8782941]

>>8780221
What about Yuna?

[Anonymous No.8783069]

>>8782941
Not that anon, but I think Yuna's is OK, not amazing, not bad, but got the job done decently enough.
I'm not shitting on Jap VA performances when I say this: Jap Yuna just sounds like your generic, by-the-numbers, nervous, pure saint trying to do her best that I'm sure the same VA is casted for with that same Jap character archetype.

I feel Eng Yuna does a better job with sounding shy, reserved, while also kind, but she sounds too sleepy/tired, almost giving off a "sigh-like" performance throughout, I'd attribute that to the direction she was given.

[Anonymous No.8783143]

>>8780346
No it is perceived as bad because it is fucking atrocious with those plastic faces and the mouths moving up and down with each "ha" like the animators are aliens that have never seen an actual human laugh before. It not sounding like actual laughter either is just icing on the turd cake.

[Anonymous No.8783270]

>John Dimaggio is great in it
this just goes without saying

[Anonymous No.8783302]

>>8783270
Why aren't you posting his most famous role?

[Anonymous No.8783356]

>>8783143
No its perceived as bad because people think its a genuine laugh and that the voice acting is terrible.
Can you fuck off with your dumb meme you revisionist fuckwit

[Anonymous No.8783370]

>>8783143
I'm sure that's what you and the rest of the world thought that at the time.

[Anonymous No.8783372]

>>8780265
Incorrect, Tidus is literally offscreen while the line is being said I think it's more likely a technical/audio streaming problem of some sort.

I have a theory that pic-related is Wakka's distant descendant, seeing as they share the same voice actor in the remake and Kazushige Nojima once claimed FFVII and FFX are set in the same universe.

[Anonymous No.8783460]

>>8783372
>I think it's more likely a technical/audio streaming problem of some sort.
Even if that's the case there are still line reads where the cast is talking amongst each other, awkwardly sped up to match with the Jap timing that you can tell when comparing the two.
Tidus defending Rikku after Wakka berates her is one example.
>"I know deep down that--"
>"Rikku'sagoodperson."

>I have a theory that pic-related is Wakka's distant descendant, seeing as they share the same voice actor in the remake and Kazushige Nojima--
Alright, I've had my fill of FF7R theory crafting bullshit over on /v/, I DON'T need it here too.

[Anonymous No.8783560]

>>8780079
The voice acting is phenomenal the only PS2 games I can think of with better voice acting are the big 3 scotformers (Jak, Sly, Ratchet) and those are all comedies which are easier to act

[Anonymous No.8783578]

>>8783356
It's literally impossible to think that it's supposed to be a genuine laugh from watching the scene. That is the meme revisionism pushed by the VA to defend himself.

[Anonymous No.8783610]

>>8783578
Try playing the game you dunce

[Anonymous No.8783649]

>>8780232
It's a game not a German cinema

[Anonymous No.8783653]

>>8783578
Right, because the Jap ver. totally mogs the dub.

[Anonymous No.8783757]

There is literally nothing wrong with the voice acting in any of the characters. 80 IQ zoomers saw a scene without context and will repeat it ad nauseum or even try to use it as evidence that it's bad without ever playing the game for single minute.

[Anonymous No.8785527]

>>8780079
It's great for what it is. Wakka, Auron, Tidus and the old man who tells you the history of the world are standouts.

[Anonymous No.8785584]

>>8780325
>No it isn’t.

Yes it is. Only autists fail to see something this obvious.

[Anonymous No.8785638]

>>8780079
Voice acting ruined Final Fantasy

[Anonymous No.8785687]

>>8780079
Yes. Also the gameplay and story and character design and most of the music. Just a bad game and the death of final fantasy.

[Anonymous No.8785783]

>>8785687
But it's got Rikku's RED HOT ASS

[Anonymous No.8785901]

>>8780325
>No it isn’t
It is awkward, no matter what language you play it in, because Tidus just want to give a big sarcastic middle finger to his circumstances.

[Anonymous No.8785908]

>>8785638
Voice acting ruined RPGs in general.

[Anonymous No.8785935]

The laughing scene is supposed to sound like fake laughter of course, but they overdid it and it sounds like fake fake laughter somehow.

[Anonymous No.8785939]

>>8780079
It doesn't matter, japanese VA always wins by default.

[Anonymous No.8785945]

After playing through again recently I was impressed with how well done it is. You can hear the reflection in Tidus’ voice as the journey proceeds along.

[Anonymous No.8785950]

>>8780079
Wakka and Lulu are the only tolerable voices. The rest of the cast has that Funimation dub voice that's pure cringe. Anyone that cried at the drama in this game is a dweeb.

[Anonymous No.8786182]

>>8785939
Can’t find a way to play it in Jap with English subtitles, and I ain’t learnin’ the language.

[Anonymous No.8786192]

It has good and bad voice acting stretched out across it.

[Anonymous No.8786203]

>>8786182
Uh, Undubs exist.

[Anonymous No.8786223]

>>8780147
>I was a little surprised when Seymour showed up with a familiarly breathy tone of voice, just as I remembered his English actor's performance
They're both breathy but Seymour sounds far less flamboyant than he does in English. And yes I know the voice he has in Japanese is still kinda flamboyant by Japanese standards but it's not you know, THAT voice they use for gay dudes.

Also I would say that the big difference is Tidus, James Arnold Taylor himself noted there is a difference between himself and Masakazu Morita in terms of how much more confident he sounds in Japanese while he tried to go for a little more fun-loving and jovial.

[Anonymous No.8786231]

>>8786182
The PC version of the remaster has the japanese audio available

[Anonymous No.8786357]

>>8786223
>the voice he has in Japanese is still kinda flamboyant by Japanese standards
Really? He sounds so suave. I'd let a man ear fuck me with a voice like his.

[Anonymous No.8786432]

>>8783460
It's a joke, relax.

[Anonymous No.8786515]

The lines Seymour delivers in his Omnis form is absolute KINO

>The only means of destroying Sin is forever gone. Now nothing can stop us.
>Well we can.
>By all means, try!
>You should thank me, your death means your father's life!

[Anonymous No.8786610]

>>8780079
No, the actors themselves are all really good actually and they did a great job with what they had to work with.

The problem was simple: for the English/international version, they didn't synch the voices because it was an early example of a 3D game with extensive voice acting. Instead, the actors had to squeeze in the lines of dialogue into the space that was allotted for the Japanese original. (Kingdom Hearts, another Square game, appears to do the same thing, but with far better results because they redid lip synching for the English version) Consequently, the English voice actors frequently have to speak their lines in a quick awkward manner. Not because they were rushing, but because they had to and were directed to. (James Arnold Taylor said that when he recorded his dialogue, a screen of the the part of the game he was recording was displayed so he could synch it up accurately.)

[Anonymous No.8786782]

>>8786203
Is the only way to play X-2 international with Japanese voices by modding the Steam version? Last time I tried emulating the PS2 version it didn't seem like that existed. I think I read the PS2 International version of X-2 never had a Japanese dub.

[Anonymous No.8787254]

>>8786782
Neither did the international version of Final Fantasy X. The international versions had the English dubs for both, and that was the point. You can play Final Fantasy X international with Japanese voices, but that's because it was modded to be that way, hence, the Fan-Made Undub Version. The Final Fantasy X International that Japanese people played when it first came out in Japan had English voices. Same with Final Fantasy X-2.

[Anonymous No.8787654]

>>8786610
Or in the case of Yuna, she has a lot of really awkward pauses that don't really work in English