Dungeon Crawler thread

[Anonymous No.8772942]

The scale of this game is massive. I just wish the inventory was easier to use.

Are there any other retro open world crawlers besides Might and Magic?

[Anonymous No.8773067]

World of Xeen is so much better its not funny

[Anonymous No.8773071]

There's tons OP like eye of the beholder, wizardry and even Japanese ones like shining in the darkness. None as good as might and magic though imo

[Anonymous No.8773078]

>>8773067
Not really. It's just bigger and easier.

[Anonymous No.8773079]

Oh sorry I missed the open world bit. Might and magic is the only open world one I can think of and that's why I think it's the best. Just elder scrolls but that's real time. Ultima underworld also real time it's open world too but it's one massive dungeon you progress deeper into but there Is backtracking and stuff

[Anonymous No.8773091]

Wizardry 7 is massive as fuck.

[Anonymous No.8773113]

>>8772942
>>8773078
>>8773067

Yeah M&M3 is the best in the series. It's big, yes, but it is also completely manageable. It's got some serious gotchas, so save early, save often. They expected you to save a scum lot.

M&M 4 & 5 are indeed, super easy. You can run yourself up to high levels pretty quickly on Xeen, and then roll over to the Darkside where you're now power leveled... 6,7,8,9, 10, and 11 have their own unique charm. Honestly, 6 and 7 are incredibly large. Like.... Huge. Immense worlds and dungeons the size and complexity of which you have never seen anywhere else. You gotta remember to pause the game for combat. I spent the first few hours playing 6 without knowing this and it was hell. There's also a way to quickly gain like 20 points in all stats through a teleportation secret at the beginning of the game, and frankly, you kinda need to do that or you'll get completely rolled unless you know what you're doing.

There are modern crawlers out there, now, on Steam.

Older ones include Dungeon Master, Wizardry, Lands of Lore (Excellent and runs in SCUMM) Eritrian Odyssey, and Eye of the Beholder. There are lots more, but those are the big ones.

IMO, M&M 3 is the peak of the genre. I have serious nostalgia goggles, though, and others will argue for DM2 if they had an ST growing up. I did, but I never had a copy....

[Anonymous No.8773179]

>>8773067
>>8773078
MM3>Xeen

Xeen is very good, but:
>no hirelings
>easier to cheese by brief visit to Darkside near the start
>railroaded everywhere, much less "open world" feeling
>some of the main dungeons are very meh

MM3 has a much bigger world, more optional dungeons with interesting side-stories.
Also Tomb of Terror and Maze From Hell are kino.
>>8772942
There's really nothing like M&M games, but Wizardy 6-8 are close. Wizardry games do some things better and some things worse, but I'd recommend at least playing 8.

Also MMX is underrated, though not retro.

[Anonymous No.8773190]

>>8773179
LOL at M&M3 has those thrones where if you sit yer people in them, they are Annihilated, true death, no return.

[Anonymous No.8773194]

>>8773113
>>8773179
If you play Darkside of Xeen independently as it originally released, then the challenge is actually pretty good. I prefer Darkside over Terra, but I prefer Terra over World.

[Anonymous No.8773235]

Grimoire : Heralds of the Winged Exemplar (there was a demo released in 1997 so it's kinda retro)

[Anonymous No.8773302]

>>8773235
Reading about the development of Grimoire is interesting.

[Anonymous No.8773305]

>>8772942
Pool of Radiance, sort of. It's the most open of the Goldbox games

[Anonymous No.8773862]

>>8773235
>there was a demo released in 1997
Weird, never knew this. Then again, I remember hearing dev developed it by himself for years.

[Anonymous No.8773906]

>>8773190
No
>Eradicated
>this can be cured at a temple or Divine Intervention
>You can sit in the thrones if you get the "+" from MoH

[Anonymous No.8773918]

Part 2 is incredibly ambitious. Gotta love fighting 255 enemies in one encounter.

[Anonymous No.8773941]

>>8773194
I have that MM1-5 compilation and only tried stand-alone MM4 (which was very short and easy) before playing World of Xeen. You made me curious to try Darkside independently.

[Anonymous No.8773956]

>series that don't make a clean break from their old shitty games
Why do so many RPG series do this and get up to retardedly high sequel numbers? Why not call the Wizardry 6-8 trilogy something else. And why the fuck would anybody want to associate Might & Magic 1 with their other games?

[Anonymous No.8774013]

>>8773235
Wow, wtf

[Anonymous No.8774024]

There is a mod for mm4-5 that makes it much more difficult. I liked it a lot. I can not fucking recall the damned name though and my googles lack

[Anonymous No.8774101]

>>8773956
Cause despite being antiquated its still a good game

[Anonymous No.8774996]

>>8774024
Difficult how?

[Anonymous No.8775007]

>>8773918
>255
No, that's console easy-mode version. Play the DOS or Apple II versions where it will throw over 1,000 enemies at once at you, and let the fuckers call for backup as well.

[Anonymous No.8775194]

>>8775007
What do you in this situation? Do you really sit there and click through all 1000 enemies or do you just run?

[Anonymous No.8775230]

>>8775194
>Do you really click 1000 times?
*sigh* yes, or more
Alternatively, you can cast a spell that hits ALL enemies, and wipe them all out in a cast or two. Unless, they're immune to Meteor Shower. And it only works outside.

In M&M2, combat only happens on specific squares, so you learn to avoid those squares, especially late game when you don't need to level up. It's not a great system, but the charm of the game (for 1986) made it tolerable.
>charm = picrel

[Anonymous No.8775272]

>>8773091
It took me 3 months, it's ridiculously long.

[Anonymous No.8775285]

>>8773862
A true legend

[Anonymous No.8775380]

>>8774024
Ludmeister seen spawn mod. Looked very interesting but never played through it. Seemed like a cool idea.

[Anonymous No.8775391]

>>8775380
Ludmeister xeen spawn mod*

[Anonymous No.8775627]

Poor anglos have never heard of the GOAT

[Anonymous No.8775682]

>>8775285
>mfw it's true
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/02/11/Homeless-newspaper-hitting-the-streets-in-New-York/6496634712400/

>Feb. 11, 1990
>NEW YORK -- Cleveland Blakemore, who quotes Nietzsche, lived for six months in a plywood shack under a highway bridge.

[Anonymous No.8776021]

>>8775682
If there was true justice Grimoire would have been the best selling game of all time.

[Anonymous No.8776101]

>>8772942
>Ultima Underworld I&II
>The Elder Scrolls Arena
>Daggerfall

[Anonymous No.8776283]

>>8773235
CGW FTW!

Best games magazine of all time..... but I am biased.

[Anonymous No.8776649]

>>8775627
best dungeon crawler ever

[Anonymous No.8776754]

Any good console-exclusive 1st person dungeon crawlers? I know it's baby game but Shining in the Darkness was kino.

[Anonymous No.8776791]

>>8776754
King's Field/Shadow Tower series

[Anonymous No.8776868]

>>8772942
were there any for the sega?

thinking about picking one up if I can find a semi-working one for cheap?

[Anonymous No.8776876]

what is the best dungeon crawler ever made?

[Anonymous No.8776903]

>>8776876
see >>8773235

[Anonymous No.8777113]

About to play this.

[Anonymous No.8777518]

>>8775230
>>Nasty Witch
>>all the options involve stuttering
Damn, that's a BAD BITCH

[Anonymous No.8777524]

>>8776868
>were there any for the sega?
For the Genesis, your choices of dungeon crawlers are either Shining in the Darkness or a port of Might and Magic II.

[Anonymous No.8777535]

>>8775230
>Combat only happens on specific squares
I'm pretty sure it also has random encounters on top of that.

[Anonymous No.8778496]

>>8776754
SNES has Arcane which has kick ass music

[Anonymous No.8778746]

>>8776754
>Shining in the Darkness was kino.
If you're a fan of the Shining in the Darkness, I suspect you'll like Shining the Holy Ark even more.

[Anonymous No.8779003]

>>8776868
>>8777524
And Fatal Labyrinth, if you count roguelikes.

[Anonymous No.8779078]

>>8772942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G0yeNCu5VU

[Anonymous No.8779201]

>>8778746
Nah, beat that one a long time ago, Shining in the Darkness was objectively better. Also really dislike Holy Ark's style.

[Anonymous No.8779246]

>>8773179
Ah, the happy liches returns.
I forgot their names though.

[Anonymous No.8779486]

Any free dungeon crawler for android without adds and ingame purshit?

[Anonymous No.8779942]

>>8779486
Don't know if it's free, but you can pirate it if you don't want to pay. The Quest is great.

[Anonymous No.8780363]

>>8776754
>Shining in the Darkness was kino
Especially if you make your own maps on graph paper.

[Anonymous No.8780619]

Lands of Lore. The level of polish on this one is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.8781160]

is ultima underworld series worth playing?

[Anonymous No.8781183]

>>8775627
It looks like fun but the amount of autism required to roll a party of good characters is just too much and getting the CD audio apparently breaks the difficulty if you do it on an english version

[Anonymous No.8781191]

>>8781160
Yes, by all means. Just keep in mind they're not combat focused games like MM or Wizardry.

[Anonymous No.8781207]

>>8781191
interesting, what are they focused on? exploration?

[Anonymous No.8781220]

what are good modern crpgs? for instance: Aeon of Sands - The Trail I haven't heard anyone mention anything past like the year 2003? Aeon of Sands is from 2018, anything that is modern that is good but plays like might and magic?

[Anonymous No.8781241]

>>8781220
blobber style CRPGs are pretty much a dead art. Plenty of great recent isometric ones like Expeditions Rome or Wasteland 3 but the only western blobbers these days are Grimrock which is like 10 years old now and a couple poverty budget indie titles that struggle to get more than 1k sales. I guess Star Crawlers was solid but if you played Aeon you probably already gave it a shot

[Anonymous No.8781262]

>>8781241
I actually haven't played Aeon, I saw it a while back and it looked cool and I might give it a shot, is it worth it? or do you think it's junk? What do you recommend as the pinnacle or crpgs, maybe top 5? sounds like you're super critical but maybe that's good

[Anonymous No.8781295]

>>8778496
Reminder that the Seal of Rimsala or Fastrom romhack is absolutely essential since the vanilla game's movement speed is so soul crushingly slow

[Anonymous No.8781317]

/moraff/ general

[Anonymous No.8781361]

>>8781207
They're adventure RPGs with a pretty even mix of exploration, combat and puzzle solving elements. These games expect you to take it slow, write things down and act from your observations. In UU1 you're seriously threatened maybe 3-4 times at most in combat, but you can get stuck if you don't pay attention to how the dungeon works.

[Anonymous No.8781461]

[Anonymous No.8781478]

>>8781461
Based, this is the best pure dungeon crawl, but it's a PITA how your save files can get corrupted from exceeding size limits.

[Anonymous No.8781528]

>>8780619
"I Think you mean 'Sconces'"

>>8772942
I've never bought so many games based on a single 4chan thread before, but here we are.

>>8775627
So, I got this on GoG but the copy protection is still included and not cracked. I guess I gotta refer to the PDF of the manual to save, every time... That sucks balls.

[Anonymous No.8781593]

>>8779486
Pathos.

[Anonymous No.8781650]

Do the Ishar games on Amiga count? I'm not sure how open-world they are...

[Anonymous No.8781683]

>>8781650
Ishar has a bad combat system where you click 5 icons repeatedly as they light up, it's like that popamole meme done unironically

[Anonymous No.8781925]

>>8781220
Legends of Amberland

[Anonymous No.8781935]

>>8781925
not retro.

[Anonymous No.8782103]

>>8781935
>retro
>adjective
>us
>/ˈre·troʊ/
>having the appearance of something that existed in the past:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/retro

Looks retro to me. Retro doesn't mean old.

[Anonymous No.8782106]

>>8782103
ok anon make sure you copy/paste that into your ban appeal in 3 days

[Anonymous No.8782124]

>>8782106
Are you double retarded? Posting non-retro games in a reply is not even close to against the rules. If you're not wasting a whole thread on something off topic then a post like that is no different from me calling you a stupid poofter, you stupid poofter.

[Anonymous No.8782127]

>>8782124
>Posting non-retro games in a reply is not even close to against the rules
Not him but I've gotten dozens of warnings for posting "non-retro" games in replies to threads. The rules are whatever visitor janny decides they are at any given moment.

[Anonymous No.8782145]

>>8781925
man, I hate the look of "retro" indies. I mean compare that to op or >>8773091 or even >>8775230 . seems like they keep missing the point on what makes low-res pixellated games look charming.

[Anonymous No.8782509]

>>8782145
anon, you're comparing modern indies to retro professional studios

try comparing modern indies to retro indies

[Anonymous No.8782516]

>>8782509
Looks kind of comfy in a Win95 sort of way

[Anonymous No.8782574]

>>8781528
Sometimes GOG is shit. Their port of M&M9 is unplayable. There are fanmade patchfixes, but even those are a crapshoot, since the game still crashes or even works at all.
>inb4 MM9 sucks ass
Yes the game was ugly as shit but some of the dungeon designs were the best in any RPG ever.

[Anonymous No.8782603]

>>8782574
I generally don't buy DOS games from GOG.

[Anonymous No.8782618]

>>8782509
unironically has more soul than >>8781925

[Anonymous No.8782690]

>>8781317
>>8782509
I was addicted to Moraff's World when I was a kid. Much more fun than the typical Roguelike. Does the dungeon ever end?

[Anonymous No.8784126]

>>8781593
Nice

[Anonymous No.8784679]

>>8777518
lel this caught me off guard

[Anonymous No.8784836]

>>8782509
>you're comparing modern indies to retro professional studios
Yeah, that's pretty dumb. The tech capabilities might've increased and the game genres might've been refined, but as far as like art and music goes if anything the pros back then were better than the modern ones. You're not a better artist than a pro from the 80s just because you were born later, and definitely not better than a team of them.

[Anonymous No.8784881]

>>8777113
holy shit my nigga thought I was the only person who ever heard of that game

[Anonymous No.8785449]

>>8777113
>>8784881
I never play this game but I played DotA 1 (Defense of the Ancients) in 2008-2013.
There are some boards for Legacy of the Ancients (LotA) and the Apple II's LotA board has been the DotA board for a long time (since 2008) because DotA 1 didn't have a board yet (might not even have one till now because they're still posting there).
There are 212 pages of threads, each page has 20 threads, last page only has 11 threads.
Total threads is (20x211)+11 = 4231 threads.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/566351-legacy-of-the-ancients

[Anonymous No.8785465]

>>8772942
How do you crawl in a dungeon if you are in an "open world"?

[Anonymous No.8785514]

>>8779486
>>8781593
Fun game

Is there something more like might and magic or wizardry

[Anonymous No.8785626]

>>8779486
QuestLord

[Anonymous No.8785896]

any first time recs? the only dungeon crawler i've played is kigurumi adventure dream maze. charming but obviously not as fleshed out as the mm or wizardry games afaik

[Anonymous No.8786147]

>>8773956
Names carry the spirit of the series in them.

[Anonymous No.8786152]

>>8785896
Any Might & Magic game except for the first two

[Anonymous No.8786154]

>>8785465
The world is a dungeon.

[Anonymous No.8786159]

>>8777518
lol

[Anonymous No.8786189]

I played this on a floppy disk with like 200 games while listening to symptom of a down.

[Anonymous No.8786498]

>>8786152
are they bad? i thought all MM1-6 were supposed to be good?

[Anonymous No.8786541]

>>8786498
MM3-5 use similar engine.
MM6-8 use similar engine.
Dunno about MM1-2.

[Anonymous No.8786572]

>>8786541
nowhere did i ask about the engine. i asked if they were good

[Anonymous No.8786590]

>>8786572
im assuming the framework is less accommodating in 1-2, probably not good for a first time recommendation

[Anonymous No.8787407]

>>8786498
1 and 2 are notoriously difficult.

[Anonymous No.8787429]

>>8787407
that has nothing to do with whether they are bad or good. i'm trying to find out if the first 7 are worth playing as I want to start playing them in order. is that what you would recommend? i don't care about difficulty, i enjoy difficult games

[Anonymous No.8787443]

>>8786154
mfw it actually is

[Anonymous No.8787457]

>>8787429
Its an Apple ][ dungeon crawler dude. If you are into that sort of thing then you wouldn't need to ask someone on an anime image board before diving.

[Anonymous No.8787505]

>>8776868
Dungeons and Dragons Warriors of the Eternal Sun

[Anonymous No.8787585]

>>8773179
>hirelings
MM3 can be speedrun in less than 5 minutes if you recruit the 2 strongest hirelings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqOA-SQW7RM

[Anonymous No.8787893]

>>8787585
Holy shit that's impressive.

[Anonymous No.8788906]

>>8781461
best game ever