What's the hardest retro console to emulate?

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Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:47:07 2013 No.873151 [Reply] [Original]

What's the hardest retro console to emulate?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:47:07 2013 No.873152 Sega Saturn Mostly because nobody cares enough to make a good emulator.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:50:07 2013 No.873157 Old computers

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:52:07 2013 No.873159 >>873152 SSF runs 80% decently and MAME can emulate the STV board pretty well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:52:37 2013 No.873158 File: 38 KB, 268x265, 1372509657663.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not retro but the original xbox

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:54:37 2013 No.873161 >>873159 >80% of everything I need sleep.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:55:37 2013 No.873162 >>873159 Does MAME have good CPS-3 support yet or do I keep having to have a completely separate emulator to play JoJo's Bizarre Adventure?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:58:37 2013 No.873169 Are there even emulators for the Halcyon? While there are Vectrex emulators it's physically impossible to get the vector graphics display properly on a raster display.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 06:59:37 2013 No.873170 >>873169 >Halcyon what Also no red lines so it must be a real thing

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:00:07 2013 No.873171 >>873158 Yeah, not really /vr/ related but the original xbox isn't going to have a working emulator, probably ever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:00:07 2013 No.873173 >>873170 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halcyon_(console)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:01:37 2013 No.873175 >>873171 Which is a damn shame since it has some nice gems on it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:01:37 2013 No.873176 >>873162 MAME has some pretty bad input lag, so I would keep using an alternative CPS3 emulator

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:03:07 2013 No.873179 >>873171 It shouldn't be as difficult to do because the original XBOX has an x86 Intel Pentium III processor. You'll probably end up with a more DOSBox like solution rather than an emulator for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:04:07 2013 No.873183 >>873171 The Xbox 360 had Xbox emulation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:05:08 2013 No.873187 File: 44 KB, 250x191, 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>873183 >Paying money to emulate

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:05:37 2013 No.873185 >>873179 Isn't that the same thing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:08:37 2013 No.873191 >>873171 Side question: why is that? DirectX?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:11:07 2013 No.873193 >>873191 Really weird architecture Same reason why modern consoles are hard to emulate

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:11:38 2013 No.873196

>>873183
Specific titles only, if you remembered right.
>>873191
It's multiple things, some of it is hardware. I wouldn't say it's impossible, it's probably just a tad harder than perfecting PS2 emulation, but the key point is that nobody wants to fucking do it.

There aren't that many exclusive Xbox titles worth emulating.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:12:37 2013 No.873197 >>873173 >The initial retail price for the system was USD$2500 Jesus

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:16:07 2013 No.873203 N64

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:17:37 2013 No.873204

>>873185
DOSBox doesn't emulate like SNES9x/ZSNES do. DOSBox doesn't have to emulate an x86 processor and other hardware like SNES emulators have to emulate 5A22 CPU, S-SMP and S-DSP sound chips, PPU graphics chip, etc. DOSBox is more of a virtual machine in that what it really does is make it so that it can bypass Windows' shitty ability to run 16bit executable and the DOSBox handles it itself instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:19:37 2013 No.873206 File: 795 KB, 500x279, Shan.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's the n64 Anybody who says other wise is lying

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:20:37 2013 No.873212 >>873193 >Really weird architecture Isn't it just a Pentium III?

>>	Tensnake !S/BuDDdVmc Fri Jul 5 07:22:37 2013 No.873216 >>873171 Why does it not have a working emulator? I would think it would be easy to make one since it's a Microsoft console after all. Seems odd.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:26:38 2013 No.873226 >>873196 Why do other small systems like Jaguar, 3DO, PC-FX or Virtualboy have an emulation community?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:32:07 2013 No.873234 >>873212 Cpu is not equal to architecture

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:33:37 2013 No.873235 >>873226 >Virtualboy >Emulation community

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 07:34:07 2013 No.873238 >>873234 Right what I mean is- isn't it the same as an off the shelf Pentium III?

KyaDash !kDashing02 Fri Jul 5 07:48:37 2013 No.873253

>>873238
I would assume that it would have to be considering you can replace it with an off the shelf Celeron without much trouble(other than physically replacing it that is)

Isn't it the HUEG's GPU the part that makes emulation nearly impossible?

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:02:38 2013 No.873263

>>873216
because true xbox fans have the console in their houses so they don't bother to emulate it.

There was two emulators... or rather projects. One died, and the other one played only the first Halo. Bad. Anyway, I still got the old xbox, two S controllers, and I'm still playing it in a free time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:11:07 2013 No.873270 >>873263 >emulating a game that's already on PC

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:12:07 2013 No.873274 >>873204 How does that work on non-x86 systems? >>873151 Well you've got your complex beasts like the Saturn or N64, but I'd nominate the Vectrex and other vector display systems, because capturing the feel of those would be really hard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:16:07 2013 No.873280 >>873270 Yeah i don't get it either

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:16:37 2013 No.873278

Sega Saturn, possibly Dreamcast, but that may be personal opinion. From an unbiased standpoint, i'd have to say Sega Saturn. Tried a lot of different things, and not once have i found a solid, consistent emulator for the Saturn.

Also, hardest game to emulate for me? Goemon's Great Adventure for the N64. Beat my head against a wall for days trying to balance settings, plugins, BIOS files...and all of it for nothing. It'll play, sure...but the options are glitches galore, or constant slowdown in to the 10-15 fps range.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:22:07 2013 No.873284 >>873274 >N64 >Complex No people are just fucking lazy and won't build a good emulator.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:30:08 2013 No.873291 >>873284 N64 is relatively complex. Intentionally so.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:40:37 2013 No.873301

>>873253
Nope. The xbox is basically a normal PC with a nvidia GPU and pentium 3 processor. Only the firmware is different from a PC. If I remember correctly, you can install a PC BIOS in it and run Windows XP.

Why are there no emulators? Mostly because nobody cares about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:45:07 2013 No.873305 >>873301 So does that mean we're going to need a DOSbox type of "emulator" for it or not?

>>	KyaDash !kDashing02 Fri Jul 5 08:46:07 2013 No.873307 >>873301 >nvidia GPU Which is a custom job with a severe lack of documentation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:46:07 2013 No.873308 File: 155 KB, 468x670, 1345140579411.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>873291 But why

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:48:37 2013 No.873310 >>873308 Because Yamauchi wanted it to be tough to develop for so that developers would actually have to put effort into making games for it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 08:51:37 2013 No.873312

>>873305
I'm not sure what you're talking about. There is a Windows "Dosbox" by Microsoft that runs some DOS programs on hardware. And there is the DOSBOX project, which is like any console emulator: it emulates the CPU and everything. That's why it runs even on non-x86 hardware.

>>873307
It's like the Geforce 3, only the same.

KyaDash !kDashing02 Fri Jul 5 08:55:37 2013 No.873314

>>873312
I'm just going to copy and paste here, so excuse me if there are some inaccuracies:

3. Emulating any hardware by NVIDIA is not a walk in the park! The Xbox's GPU, the NV2A is often assumed just a GeForce 3. It's not! It's similar but not identical. It has some GeForce 4 capabilities too, so it's more of a cross between an NV20 and NV25. This is by no means easy to emulate either. NVIDIA's GPUs have very large register sets and afaik not even half of them have been discovered, and a large portion of known registers have unknown purposes. There is little to no documentation on how NVIDIA GPUs work. The best thing to do is to look at similar GPUs such as RIVA, TNT, and older GeForce cards. Some registers are similar, but not identical. The best place to look for information is in open source drivers available on the net. Adding to the dificulty is that no one has ever discovered how pixel shaders work on NV2x cards, vertex shaders yes though. The Xbox GPU also has exclusive registers that are not found in other GeForce cards. Information on the NV2A's GPU registers are just now beginning to be discovered a few months ago. And yet, there's still a long way to go. The GeForce 3 series is the most mysterious of all NVIDIA GPUs (G7x and G8x aside) and the NV2A is alot worse. "But can't you just directly execute the NV2A instructions on another NVIDIA card?". No, I get alot of questions concerning this, and it is impossible. It's MMIO addresses are different and the exclusive registers must be emulated. Plus, in windows, we don't have ring 0 access anyway, so you all can scratch that idea now. Then comes the NForce 2 chipset. This is where it get easier. The NVIDIA MCPX is the control center for things such as audio, USB for input, Network adapters, PCI, AGP, etc. These things are not really that difficult to emulate IMO except for the audio."

http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132032

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:01:07 2013 No.873321 >>873197 It included a LD player. Higher class computers of the time had similar prices.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:01:37 2013 No.873320 >>873204 DOSBox doesn't natively execute any x86 code. It's all emulated because 16-bit stuff will not work when the CPU is in 64-bit mode.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:07:37 2013 No.873328
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>>873173
>RDI Video Systems claimed that the system would be entirely voice-activated, and would have an artificial intelligence on par with HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Contents

Why would you advertise this as a feature? Did they not understand this would be a BAD thing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:11:07 2013 No.873334 >>873328 Because voice control sounded awesome and futuristic. Some people would still fall for it today.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:13:07 2013 No.873339 >>873334 Talking about the AI on par with HAL 9000.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:18:37 2013 No.873345 >>873339 What harm can a laserdisc based console with speech processing do?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:19:37 2013 No.873346 >>873173 >Well-known names among these investors included Merv Griffin, Quinn Martin and Cassandra Peterson >Cassandra Peterson Holy shit that's awesome.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:24:08 2013 No.873354 >>873345 The fact that they're saying that their AI is just as smart as an AI that wants to kill people isn't a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:35:38 2013 No.873375 >>873354 Maybe?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:42:07 2013 No.873389 >>873310 Well that's some awful reasoning he made

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:43:08 2013 No.873394 >>873389 Sony later did the same thing with the PS3, but with slightly different reasoning. It's called arrogance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 09:52:08 2013 No.873413 File: 21 KB, 450x350, 1371049411662.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>873394 Fucking nice

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 10:23:38 2013 No.873465 >>873204 You're thinking of dosemu, which is what people used before machines were powerful enough to run dosbox. Dosbox is a complete emulator, while dosemu (like wine) simulated the environment but the code ran on the processor without translation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 10:26:38 2013 No.873471 While not the hardest I'm sure, how is the Turbografx 16 cd?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 10:44:38 2013 No.873520 >>873235 Is there a problem with Virtualboy emulation?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 10:56:08 2013 No.873551 >>873151 VG5000.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 10:59:08 2013 No.873557 >>873173 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeI5zKeGELA

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 11:02:38 2013 No.873562 >>873520 I'd imagine he means simulating the display, and resulting eyestrain/headaches. Anaglyph 3D isn't right, though it works well enough for just playing the games with depth perception.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 11:06:38 2013 No.873570

>>873389
That's pretty much Yamauchi in a nutshell. What he said during 5th gen about 3rd party games still affects Nintendo today. Iwata is still trying to repair the damage he did while he was in control. The only good thing he ever did for Nintendo is have an iron fist business stance.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 11:08:08 2013 No.873574 >>873520 What's the point?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 11:11:38 2013 No.873584 >>873471 I remember playing Wonderboy 3 using retroarch. I haven't played other games to test its stability.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 11:25:08 2013 No.873617 >>873570 That's not good

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 12:06:10 2013 No.873686 File: 9 KB, 591x505, Zero out of ten.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>873183

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 12:31:40 2013 No.873738

I'm not sure if it's REALLY the hardest retro console to emulate, but for sure the N64 is really notorious among the emulation community for being a pain to accurately emulate. It is a veritable clusterfuck of plugins and per-game hacks, settings, and workarounds.

Now, part of it does boil down to the fact that N64 emulation originated when we were all still using Pentium IIs and IIIs, so they HAD to go through a hack-based approach to achieve playable speeds on at least the popular games. But even once we got past that early era, it turns out the N64 is such an architectural nightmare that we've had no choice but to stick to the HLE workaround approach, because believe it or not, accurately emulating the N64's video output alone brings even modern i5 rigs to their knees. It is THAT complex.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 12:47:09 2013 No.873781

>>873320
>16-bit stuff will not work when the CPU is in 64-bit mode
This is incorrect. x86-64 processors can in fact run 16-bit x86 code, just that it doesn't execute it efficiently, and the newer versions of Windows won't allow you to execute it without turning an option on that will compromise the security of your computer.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 12:48:39 2013 No.873784

>>873738

Really? That's so weird. I JUST got into 64 emulation as I was wanting to avoid any of the headaches that might have came with it and, thus far, I've only had trouble with one game (KI: Gold)

Everything else I've thrown at it has run completely solid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 12:48:39 2013 No.873785 >>873686 It did, actually. That's why some games have glitches when played on a 360, and some games aren't compatible at all.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 12:53:39 2013 No.873791

as far as mainstream consoles goes, n64. sure majority of the games are playable, but the amount of settings you need to configure for each game to run "sorta perfect" is silly.

those that are saying saturn, look up SSF. it runs 95% of the saturn library. check the compatibility list if your game doesn't work correctly on current version.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 12:55:09 2013 No.873802

>>873784
Don't get me wrong. The HLE approach does work... for most of the popular games. But even then, there's a lot of small inaccuracies and quirks, such as filtering applied to text and certain UI elements looking like shit. But get away from the "essentials" like the Marios, Zelda, Rare titles, etc., and you start running into lots of problems requiring specific plugins, special settings, and sometimes different emulators altogether.

Take a look at this site, and you'll see what I mean:

http://bmgcl.atspace.cc/n64mgcl/N64ConfigList.htm

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 12:58:39 2013 No.873810

>>873557
I love how the hosts of that show call out the claim that the Halcyon actually had a genuine AI (something we're still light years away from).

Oh, and the co host of that show was Gary Kildall, the inventor of the CP/M dos that Bill Gates plagiarized with his copy, MS-DOS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:00:39 2013 No.873818 >>873785 No i'm saying that's not exactly an emulator when it's only specific titles

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:03:40 2013 No.873829 >>873818 360 has an xbox emulator. ps3 has a ps1/ps2 emulator.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:05:39 2013 No.873834 >>873818 Except it still is an emulator. The reason only specific titles work on it is because the emulator is specced to run those specific titles. That's like saying early N64 emulators weren't really emulators when they could only run Mario 64.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:06:40 2013 No.873839

How about RDI Halcyon? I can't even believe that a system like that even has emus, nor would a lot of consoles no one likes or cares about. Then again the Virtual Boy has tons of emus, though that might also be due to interest in the system vs. difficulty of obtaining one or because of Wario Land or something, I dunno.

The Virtual Boy is actually one of those systems you just can't emulate, even the 3DS has a very different feel to its 3D due to it being 100% digital vs. the very analog 3D of the VB.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:11:10 2013 No.873856
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What about the Pioneer Laseractive? Has anyone even attempted to extract the game code from the laserdiscs for this system?

An arcade quality emulation of Time Gal would be amazing (the Laseractive port is arcade perfect thanks to using the same LD video as the cabinet).

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:13:09 2013 No.873859

>>873834
He's right, the newer systems (PS3, 360, and WiiU) all use emus to run their BC games. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii emu on WiiU is broken somewhere, but then again Nintendo is always really damn good about their own emulation (see their N64 VC versus Wii homebrew N64 emulators) so it may be really good. Helps of course that Wii/GC emu is already really good. What's up with that anyway? People just wanted to play Wii games without buying the system?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:14:39 2013 No.873863 >>873859 Wii was a beefed up gamecube basically

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:15:39 2013 No.873867 >>873856 lump it in with this >>873839 I don't expect many LD systems to be emulated, but then again I don't know anything about laserdiscs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:17:09 2013 No.873873 >>873856 Why not just play the sega cd version.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:19:10 2013 No.873879 >>873867 Capturing the analog video off the LD is pretty easy, but the Laseractive has digital information encoded on the laserdisc too (and, as far as I know, nobody has set up the hardware necessary to extract the gameplay code).

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:20:10 2013 No.873880

>>873859
Nah, the Wii U can run Wii shit because it basically has a Wii stuffed inside of it.

Same with the original model PS3s, they essentially had PS2s stuffed in them, hence why newer PS3s aren't backwards compatible with actual PS2 discs, they have to download the specific emulator for whatever game they're playing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:20:10 2013 No.873883 >>873863 WiiU is a beefed up Wii basically that is "incompatible" with gamecube games

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:20:10 2013 No.873884 >>873859 The N64 VC titles all mostly run on emulators catered entirely to each individual title. It really couldn't be otherwise, since the Wii is so weak. It couldn't possibly handle a fully-featured, general purpose N64 emulator.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:21:10 2013 No.873890 >>873856 A better option would be a Blu-ray re-release based on the original film material like with Dragon's Lair.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:21:10 2013 No.873891 >>873873 The sega CD version is highly digitized and low rez compared to the original. Just check out how amazing the laserdisc version on the laseractive looks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGxdxaBlk8Q

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:21:10 2013 No.873893 >>873859 You and him need to learn the difference between emulation and virtualization.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:21:40 2013 No.873887 >>873883 So the wiiu is an ultra gamecube?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:22:39 2013 No.873896 >>873887 Yeah.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:25:09 2013 No.873905

>>873880
newer ps3s that DON'T have backwards compatibility can run ps2 disks when jail broken. the whole thing about removing ps2 support was so people would buy the digital versions.

>>873883
Later wiis removed gamecube support...which you can still run though piracy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:26:39 2013 No.873907 >>873905 Except they didn't even have digital PS2 games on the PSN until a few years after they removed PS2 disc support.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:27:39 2013 No.873912 >>873890 That would be truly awesome, but I wonder about the likelihood of Taito (or the animation studio) preserving the original film elements in the case of Time Gal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:28:10 2013 No.873915 >>873907 all according to plan. look up ps2 on ps3 slim

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:29:09 2013 No.873920 Watch it guys If we keep talking modern they'll delete the thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:30:09 2013 No.873925 >>873829 Only the first ps3 models had a ps1/ps2 emulator.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:31:09 2013 No.873928 >>873927 You mean that super accurate one that's supposed to take nasa computers to work?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:31:39 2013 No.873927 >>873920 my bad. I've heard byuu is working on n64 emulation?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:34:10 2013 No.873932 >>873905 Wait what? Didn't they remove an entire processor? How is that even possible, unless it's pulling some crazy emulation shit. If there's one thing I know about console games, it's that they demand very exact hardware with an autistic obsession.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:34:10 2013 No.873938 >>873928 He gets knocked for that shit on snes, but if we get a program that runs n64 perfectly, I'm all for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:37:09 2013 No.873948 File: 8 KB, 178x190, Excalibur judo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>873938 It won't support anything but the N64's native resolution.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:39:09 2013 No.873950 >>873927 >>873928 >>873938 Byuu isn't working on it, MarathonMan is. >>873948 Good. With a few exceptions, N64 games look like shit at high resolutions. I blame the blurry, low-res textures.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:43:09 2013 No.873963 File: 563 KB, 1400x600, muh accuracy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>873950

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:46:09 2013 No.873972 >>873963 64 games didn't looked like the left.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:49:40 2013 No.873982
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>>873972
Believe it or not, they did. I didn't think so either, but after a lot of checking back and forth, the left is actually remarkably accurate. CRTs just masked the imperfections really well.

If you disable the N64's fullscreen filtering, it looks a bit better, though it's not accurate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:52:10 2013 No.873986 File: 242 KB, 1280x600, CAN'T LET YOU FILTER THAT.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Another comparison. The filtered shot is without a doubt the more accurate one when compared side by side with real hardware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:02:40 2013 No.874020 >>873328 Xbox One: 1985 edition

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:04:39 2013 No.874024 >>873863 I suppose that did help, the same way people were emulating GBA while it was new, from what I've heard. I guess I'm surprised that people bothered when it seems like no one liked the Gamecube around 2005-06. Guess opinions change.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:06:39 2013 No.874031 File: 19 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>874020 Not funny

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:08:10 2013 No.874040 >>873328 >It learns what your weaknesses are, it learns what your strengths are Halcyon is still alive. Still plotting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:10:09 2013 No.874047 >>874040 I hope not

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:11:09 2013 No.874049

>>873879
That's good at least, hopefully someone with the means will figure out a way to get the digital info too.

>>873905
Fuck, really? How do I jailbreak my PS3 then? Are you certain that even slims and stuff can do it?

>>873893
Not sure I follow. I know simulation is what they call it when people remake those tiger electronic handhelds, do you mean virtualization like how people do on VMs?

>>873896
I wonder if you can play gamecube games on a WiiU then, if it's maybe possible through Wii homebrew. Perhaps >>873905 would know?

>>873982
I forgot how good N64 games looked on a CRT until I hooked mine up to one last month. Amazing how much nicer things look when you can BS like a fiend through the inherent flaws of your visual hardware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:12:40 2013 No.874050 >>874049 nvm on the PS3 stuff, I'll look it up myself. sage for not retro and for asking for people to google shit for me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:25:39 2013 No.874078 >>873982 Looks like ass

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:42:10 2013 No.874117

>>873972
Left is pretty much exactly what it looks like on my HD TV. The colors seem to have way more bleed to them than they ever did on my old CRT.

By the way, I was surprised to discover that Perfect Dark has 16:9 support. It's the only N64 game I can play without needing to change my TV display settings.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:46:39 2013 No.874129 >>874117 Even some Gamecube games don't have that. I was amazed too when I found out, Perfect Dark seemed to be pretty advanced for it's time. The multiplayer was so much fun.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:47:39 2013 No.874130

>>874049
>I wonder if you can play gamecube games on a WiiU then, if it's maybe possible through Wii homebrew.

I can confirm that the Wii's with removed GCN ports could still play GCN games. They only removed the ports, not the part of the Wii hardware that mimicked the GCN. It's impossible to give any input once a game is running though.

I don't know about the WiiU though. It might still be on the board, but it might not. I haven't payed any attention to hacking for it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:17:39 2013 No.874203

>>874130
It's not the WiiU OS, but it's the best we've got right now, same as the author that made DIOS MIOS.

http://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendont-crediars-new-project.349258/

He plans to add USB controller support with HID compliant controllers/USB adaptors. And with the 3-core unlocking being worked on for use with the vWii's homebrew, we might just see HD Gamecube titles on a console.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:30:10 2013 No.874251 Goddamn n64 emulation Just fucking make one nintendo Make it like 30 bucks

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:33:09 2013 No.874259 saturn

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:34:09 2013 No.874264 >>874251 They already are selling you emulated games for $10 a piece. I imagine the reason they haven't added many more to VC is because even they are having trouble emulating the N64.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:47:09 2013 No.874298 >>874117 Goldeneye does, too.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:50:09 2013 No.874307
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>>873856

Sometimes I wonder if anyone has even considered a USB LD drive that lets you extract lossless quality video from the disc. This would be great for LD-based emulators.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:52:39 2013 No.874312 >>874264 Yeah seriously, they couldn't even get the noise effect on Mario's invisible cap ability down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:58:39 2013 No.874326 >>874264 No i mean just make a full emulator online for 30 bucks You probably have the specs lying around somewhere

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:59:09 2013 No.874330 >>874298 Oh wow, it does. I wonder how many other N64 games have this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 16:34:10 2013 No.874437 >>874326 Nintendo that is

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 16:40:39 2013 No.874451 >>874307 LD is analog.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 16:43:39 2013 No.874454 >>874326 For two reasons: 1. So they can sell games individually for the Virtual Console 2. They can't actually make a single emulator that works with all or even most games. All the VC N64 games are running in a game specific emulator build.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 16:45:39 2013 No.874458 >>873925 Only a few of the first PS3 models had a PS2 emulator. Most of them had the original hardware built in. All PS3s have PS1 emulators.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 16:46:09 2013 No.874462 >>874454 I'm sure they got the specs for the original 64 lying around They could do something

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 17:55:09 2013 No.874621

>>874451
>LD is analog
Indeed, so capturing LD video is just a matter of using your choice of NTSC capture device. A USB LD player would be thus somewhat superfluous (although I'm reminded of those crummy USB turntables...).

Not to mention the fact that LD players are no longer in production (although, amazingly enough, Pioneer was still making new ones until a few years ago), so there is no source for an OEM LD transport for a theoretical USB player.

The Laseractive (and I assume the Halcyon) stored digital gameplay code along with the analog video on LD, and it seems that extracting this element of an LD game is nontrivial.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 17:59:10 2013 No.874630

>>874117
What struck me the most was how washed out Star Fox's colors look like in >>873986. Again, I could not believe that could be in any way accurate compared to the left shot, but lo and behold, I booted it up, and it looks exactly like that, only better because it's hooked up to a nice Sony WEGA CRT.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:02:09 2013 No.874641

>>873570
The irony is that with the NES, he believed that "artists make the best games, not engineers", so they tried to make it easy to program for. Fast-forward to N64 and he completely goes back on it.

Apparently Yamauchi didn't even play video games.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:02:39 2013 No.874638

>>873152

Saturn needs a good emulator, because owning a Saturn fucking sucks.

I have a Saturn that still works 100% perfectly, but game saves are stored on a fucking battery and whenever that battery dies you lose all of your fucking saves. That is the worst fucking thing anybody ever thought of for saving games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:02:39 2013 No.874639 >>874312 Which is proof that the VC titles aren't really running on a proper N64 emulator, but are going for an HLE approach much like the PC emulators do, only a bit more refined and tweaked per game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:03:39 2013 No.874645 >>874638 But you can get a memory card for it.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:05:39 2013 No.874650

>>874462
Do you have any idea how difficult to ACCURATELY emulate the N64 is? Even having access to documentation for its innards, it still requires ridiculous power to properly simulate all of its functions. It's why we haven't gotten an accurate software RDP plugin until very, very recently. It's a total pain, and it requires tremendous CPU power. It's way too much, so developers have historically said "fuck that" and gone for the HLE-based approach where they approximate the graphics using DirectX or OpenGL.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:15:39 2013 No.874687

>>874650
It's a classic case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Low-level N64 emulation is still beyond most peoples' means and runs like ass unless you have a crazy powerful PC, and HLE, while much faster, is rife with problems and issues, even on the games that supposedly work "perfectly".

Our only hope is simply to wait for better hardware, so developers will have more incentive to attempt to properly emulate the N64.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:28:09 2013 No.874747 If you can set up Pj64 1.6 with Glide 64 Napalm you're able to run 80% of everything with a few exceptions like Factor 5 games and Custom Robo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:36:09 2013 No.874758 File: 1.50 MB, 1280x960, mupen64plus 2013-06-17 05-31-08-43.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>874747 Rogue Squadron does work, but with the z64gl plugin. It runs faster in Mupen64plus, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:41:39 2013 No.874768 >>873216 >>873179 There will never be an Xbox emulator because the documentation that explains how an Xbox even works is nonexistent. It doesn't exist. You can't make an emulator for something if you don't know how it works.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 18:59:39 2013 No.874797 File: 105 KB, 289x283, 1328024229504.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>874768 >You can't make an emulator for something if you don't know how it works oh boy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 19:03:40 2013 No.874810 >>873157 Which computers? There are around a dozen popular series and a shitload of lesser known ones.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 19:10:09 2013 No.874834 >>873574 The three or 4 good games on it, and the thriving homebrew scene.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 20:56:10 2013 No.875170 >>874768 Baha

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 21:33:29 2013 No.875307 >>874117 Hybrid Heaven is another one with 16:9 support. I dunno what makes it there in some games but not in others.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 21:40:58 2013 No.875345 >>875307 The N64 couldn't actually display in 16:9 resolutions, so games that had this feature would just squish the image and increase the field of view.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 21:50:28 2013 No.875392

>>874768
>You can't make an emulator for something if you don't know how it works.
Last time I checked, there was this wonderful thing known as "reverse engineering" which, amazingly enough, allows one to understand a system in the absence of official documentation.

Imagine that!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 21:51:58 2013 No.875404 >>875392 Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean you learn how the thing works in the process? Meaning he was right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 21:51:58 2013 No.875407 >>875345 Clever way to get around hardware limitations

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 22:07:58 2013 No.875474

>>875404
He made a pretty final assertion in stating that there will "never" be an Xbox emulator, as the only prerequisite for such an emu (using his definition) is adequate documentation.

What happens when someone gets around to reverse engineering the thing (this will happen)?

Never say never.

Anonymous Sat Jul 6 00:12:58 2013 No.875895

>>874687
A less hostile industry would help also. There is a very real chance of being sued for copyright infringement when you deal with this stuff, even for a console that hasn't been produced in more than ten years.

It's the reason that emulation has stagnated.

Anonymous Sat Jul 6 00:17:59 2013 No.875903

>>875392
Do you have weeks, months, and even years to waste analyzing low level code? Digging for technical documentation through public information sources for scraps of information on proprietary hardware?

There is very real documentation for the xbox, but it is locked deep in a vault somewhere at Microsoft and you will never see it. The engineers that worked on it are under NDA for the next fifty years. The kind of people that are smart enough to actually reverse engineer this stuff have actual jobs and families and very little spare time. They also have no desire to be sued by global corporations just so some geeks can play vidya on their Peecee for free. Especially when the original hardware is so readily available.

Anonymous Sat Jul 6 00:24:59 2013 No.875919

>>875903
>The kind of people that are smart enough to actually reverse engineer this stuff have actual jobs and families and very little spare time.

You would be surprised at what can be accomplished, though. All sorts of encryption "black boxes" have been cracked to get games running in MAME, and there are members of the emu community equipped to do stuff as exotic as de-capping chips with nitric acid and microprobing to circumvent protected ICs.

Compared to these feats, the Xbox might be pretty easy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:01:53 2013 No.876972 Ooga booga where the decent n64 emulator at

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:02:53 2013 No.876974 File: 78 KB, 419x424, 1372059867948.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>875903 >There is very real documentation for the xbox, but it is locked deep in a vault somewhere at Microsoft and you will never see it Fucking mission impossible time son.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:22:24 2013 No.876995 Virtual Boy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:26:23 2013 No.877006 >>876995 What makes it so hard?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:26:53 2013 No.877008 File: 85 KB, 500x397, tiger_hang_on_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These babies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:30:24 2013 No.877018 >>877006 The 3D display?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:35:54 2013 No.877026 >>877018 But we have 3D displays. Vector graphics would be a problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:42:24 2013 No.877037 >>874641 Apparently Yamauchi didn't even play video games. Obviously, like every businessman of his generation.

Anonymous Sat Jul 6 10:45:54 2013 No.877048
File: 31 KB, 640x480, Ojamajo Doremi Motto - 03 (DVD 640x480 WMV3 MP3).avi_snapshot_19.52_[2013.06.02_12.19.52].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>N64 emultation and hardware shenanigans

Sweet Jesus Christ the more I read about this the more my goddamn brain melts. The N64 was basically my entire childhood in elementary school and most of my best early gaming memories are on it. Dat pre-launch hype, dat Mario 64 hype, dat OoT hype, dat Pokemon Stadium hype.

Who knew how fucking cryptic that thing was.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 11:05:55 2013 No.877087 >>875919 >>875903 >>875392 Actually guys, this guy's got a point. Microsoft will not let people write an Xbox emulator that can do anything competently. The few people that were working on it got hired to write the xbox emulator for the 360.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:32:25 2013 No.878212 >>873927 He is? Can't wait for the revolution. When will he give the dreamcast/saturn/mega drive some love? >>873938 >he gets knocked for that shit on snes Only by buttmad zsnesfags.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:11:06 2013 No.879313 >>873320 Dosbox devs emulate x86-16 because dosbox is cross platform and needs to work on more than just x86

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:13:36 2013 No.879315 >>873932 They removed the controller and memory card ports and patched the software so it doesn't recognize gamecube games on newer wiis

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:27:36 2013 No.879345 Fucking micro code. Why would you do this Nintendo?

Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:32:36 2013 No.879354

>>878212
He most likely isn't. Hell, the other cores on Higan that aren't SNES are still incomplete as fuck. The only reason he slaved away at bsnes to the degree that he did was because it shaped and defined his childhood. Everything else is basically an afterthought, a result of his work on bsnes.

Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:32:36 2013 No.879356

>>879345
To make it as difficult as possible to produce games and hopefully scare all the shitty developers away, and it did. Of course it also scared away nearly all other 3rd party developer as well.

Nintendo changed their direction completely with the gamecube which was made to be extremely easy to develop for and they carried this over to the wii and wii u maintaining a familiar architecture so developers can easily port games over

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:33:36 2013 No.879358 Flash Cart or Die.

Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:36:36 2013 No.879364

>>873859
Smash Bros. VC with blackboxes that show up when you get knocked off the screen around your little bubble/window.

I haven't had issues with Saturn emulation. Though I play like 3 or 4 games with it that work fine enough.

I'm gonna go with a combo of Sega Model 3, N64 and PS.

They're all fairly faulty. Though the majority of games can be played. I don't even bother with N64 though, I own most of the games I want to play and am waiting to get the ones I still want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:38:36 2013 No.879365 >>879364 >PS Yeah, if you're still using ePSXe or pSX. Mednafen and Xebra have brough PS1 emulation into the "just werks" realm.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:41:06 2013 No.879374 >>879365 News to me. I didn't even know Mednafen had decent PS1 support I'll have to try it now. I'm assuming it's in the WIP builds, I haven't seen a new main build for a while. I've heard that Xebra was very accurate but haven't fucked with it yet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 02:47:36 2013 No.879382 >>879374 Try it through RetroArch. It has very good compatibility now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 05:26:07 2013 No.879594 >>879356 And yet still no one develops for it because you can't port something over designed for a console twice as powerful. At least it means the homebrew scene for it is one of the best ever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 07:58:37 2013 No.879791 >>879354 Oh well. Hope someone else can pick up where he left off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 17:36:31 2013 No.881206 >>877048 What the fuck is that

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 7 21:39:43 2013 No.882185 >>874203 There's also devolution, which recently added Classic Controller and Wii U Pro Controller support.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 21:55:29 2013 No.885928 >>873183 And it was a horrible mess with glitches on pretty much ever game

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 22:00:28 2013 No.885943 >>874645 A memory cartridge, which suffers from the same problem.

Anonymous Mon Jul 8 22:19:28 2013 No.885980

>>885943
>Save game on both.
>1 dies
>replace battery
>copy data
>wait for other 1 to die.
>replace battery
>copy data

and no data was ever lost ever.
TL;DR Fucking replace your batteries. It's not like we're talking about a NES game where you can't back up your saves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 00:40:34 2013 No.886327 >>873173 Holy fuck that advertisement. http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Misc/RDIHalcyonFlyer.htm

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 00:49:58 2013 No.886339 >>873557 Wow, I wonder how many of these are out in the wild? I wonder how that AI acts after 30 years of on and off use by different people. I am way too fascinated by this thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 06:02:33 2013 No.886985 File: 12 KB, 286x219, RevolutionLogo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Nintendo Revolution.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 06:16:34 2013 No.887010 >>873171 It's basically a PC You need to building an emulator for a PC of 13 years ago

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 06:22:03 2013 No.887018 >>873784 I don't know if it is just my laptop, but I can't run Pokemon Stadium at all without my entire system crashing. No problems on other titles I've tried

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 06:29:03 2013 No.887023 >>887010 A PC with a GPU that has zero public documentation.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 07:12:04 2013 No.887041

>>876974
There should be a movie made of this

>Rich individual tired of casualisation of modern games
>Fully mastered the classics, can perform world-record breaking speedruns on almost any game with zero prep time due to extreme experience
>The current gen needs a huge shake-up
>Decides that the best way to destabilise modern gaming is to develop perfect emulation of consoles
>Reverse engineering does not provide perfect emulation
>Decides that the only way to achieve this will be to obtain documentation/early prototypes/whatever from the companies themselves
>Decides to hire a team to help him accomplish this
>Can't hire professionals who are willing to risk so much just for vidya stuff
>Has to get a bunch of amateurs from the internet
>You can imagine the collection of autists, neckbeards, shut-ins, okatu, "programmers", simulator junkies etc. that he assembles but let's toss in one normalfag too.
>Conduct extravagant raids on Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft and SEGA to gain access to their "vaults"
>Based on each of their areas of gaming specialisation, they provide different skills
>Hijinks ensue

There would be obligatory cameos from certain developers, execs, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 07:59:33 2013 No.887069 >>885980 I guess I got lucky with mine. I got it very early on and it's still keeping saves just fine. My pokemon gold, however, stopped keeping saves three months after I got it, and that was back when it was still fairly new.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 08:30:33 2013 No.887110 >>873982 Looks like a PS3 game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 08:31:33 2013 No.887113 >>873982 Looks like a PS1 game

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 10:16:35 2013 No.887337 MSX seems pretty hard. I just want to play Metal Gear 2 on my Laptop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:46:45 2013 No.887492 >all of this N64 I don't understand. >install project64 >run project64 >download rom >file>open rom>your.rom >play Seriously, it is arguably easier to use than the actual console.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:49:15 2013 No.887493

>>887492

What game do you play? It's probably Mario, Zelda or something major like that? Yeah, they can play those. Move outside of the top 5 or top 10 though. You have to pick specific plugins for specific games, and have just the right settings. And many games simply do not work.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:49:15 2013 No.887496

>>887337
>MSX seems pretty hard.
> I just want to play Metal Gear 2 on my Laptop.

http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/BlueMSX

>blueMSX - Preconfigured latest version of blueMSX w/ updated database and cheat files. Also has translated Metal Gear 1 & 2 w/ translated user manuals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:52:45 2013 No.887503 >>887493 >And many games simply do not work. And how many of those are N64 exclusives?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:56:16 2013 No.887513 Dreamcast. If only.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:56:46 2013 No.887515

>>887493
Well, not quite. I had just come to terms with it being an emulation, and not a replacement. I don't see any reason to tinker with a games settings and plugins if I can avoid all of the stress and play it 98% accurately! Usually, the issue is just minor visual, and is in no way gamebreaking which to me just equates to - good enough.

The only issue I have ever had, is with every nintendo 64 first person shooter seriously, is there a fix/plugin for its maxed out joystickspin?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:57:15 2013 No.887523 File: 126 KB, 1360x768, 1373361686048[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>887492 >Seriously, it is arguably easier to use than the actual console. This is what Indiana Jones 64 looks like when you try to play it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:57:16 2013 No.887519 >>887503 Some. But that's also another reason why N64 emulation is a mess. On top of the system being a complex labyrinth, people mostly just want to play the few good exclusives. Outside of that they don't care.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:58:15 2013 No.887525 >>887010 >You need to building an emulator for a PC of 13 years ago It's like you never heard of C68k, Nec PCs, Atari ST series, Amigas or C64.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:07:45 2013 No.887550
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>>887041
>Sony hires Kojima to defend their vault
>Team attempts a break-in
>Kojima takes down and kills an autist right outside the vault
>Begins a monologue about the casualties of war in extremely broken english
>Neckbeard interrupts to tell him no one cared about the autist

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:15:44 2013 No.887573

>>887503
Whether a game is terrible, or has a better port is irrelevant. There's a problem if an emulator has trouble running a game that existed for the console. And pre-configured settings and plugins doesn't stop the underlying emulation from being poor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:49:14 2013 No.887643 >>874130 The latest devolution allows the use of classic controller and ps3 controller for gc games, maybe that would work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:09:44 2013 No.887692 >>887113 Not quite, as even on that shot there is texture filtering. Also, the models and textures don't jitter around like they have ants in their pants.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:41:45 2013 No.887751 >>873151 The PSP. That shit is so old it must be already retro, right guys?

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:49:44 2013 No.887770

>>887519
And why would they? The vast majority of multiplatform releases on N64 are inferior to the other available versions.
>>887523
And why aren't you playing the PC version?
>>887573
Having poorly conceiveed emulation doesn't make the N64 any "harder to emulate" than the systems out there that don't even have a proper emulator at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 14:12:46 2013 No.887804 >>887770 >games suck, who cares The worst attitude to have when coding emulators. >N64 isn't hard to emulate What exactly were you responding to?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 14:27:14 2013 No.887836 >>887041 It's like Ocean's Eleven meets The IT Crowd.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:00:14 2013 No.888404 File: 75 KB, 671x600, Entex-AdventureVision2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Entex Adventure Vision.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:08:45 2013 No.888427 >no one mentioning the PC engine Are we really on /vr/? Stop shitposting with your shit system older than 2000.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:13:14 2013 No.888438 What was the name of that one system that used VHS tapes to store FMV games or some shit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:27:15 2013 No.888482 File: 139 KB, 319x480, 1369213564807.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>873891 >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGxdxaBlk8Q neat, he sucks at playing that though

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:30:14 2013 No.888495 >>888427 What? Mednafen emulates it quite well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:31:14 2013 No.888501 >>887836 it's like ocean's eleven meets Fanboys, but instead of star wars, it's /vr/

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:36:14 2013 No.888526

>>873158
>>873171
you people are complete morons... also isn't there a project in the works that doesn't actually emulate the system but just provides a layer over normal windows that allows them the games to be exicuted? or has that project died in the water? but yeah, the original xbox is just a PC and runs on a modified version of windows, I think it has less to do with people not knowing how to do it and more that the xbox community is lazy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:37:44 2013 No.888528 >>887525 what?

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:43:44 2013 No.888554

>>877087
>Microsoft will not let people write an Xbox emulator that can do anything competently
who said people would have to get the blessing of microsoft to make an emulator for it? the PS2 has a pretty well working emulator (if you have a powerful enough computer), do you think anyone called up Sony and was like "may we please see the documentation for the PS2?"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 18:50:14 2013 No.888586 >>888526 http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132032 I'm going to assume you know better than this guy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:47:15 2013 No.891440 >>888586 he just sounds lazy

Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:55:16 2013 No.891465

>>873191
>>873193
Its actually had they did the DRM. You have to crack each and every game separately so it would be a huge huge undertaking to emulate.

The system itself was just a PIII computer really.

Lack of interest is one of the major parts though. Xbox had a lot of pretty cool games, that nobody heard of because Halo was the only thing it was used for.

I think some of Segas later consoles are probably the hardest.

Anonymous Wed Jul 10 20:49:13 2013 No.891997

>>887523
I imagine it's a similar issue to Rogue Squadron and Battle for Naboo. Factor 5 was well known for utilizing hardware to the maximum degree possible. In this case, they re-programmed the graphics controller in the N64 with custom microcode. Most N64 emulators seem to be designed with the standard microcode in-mind, so these games don't work.

Another example is how Rogue Squadron 2 was easily one of the best looking games of last-gen, yet it was a launch title.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 21:03:13 2013 No.892037 >>891997 Rogue Squadron actually does work now, as shown in >>874758.

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