Why was it so bad? What could have been done to prevent it from being an embarrassing failure

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Anonymous Mon Mar 14 02:52:09 2022 No.8713764 [DELETED]

Why was it so bad? What could have been done to prevent it from being an embarrassing failure

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 02:56:09 2022 No.8713776 >>8713764 put some good games on it instead of weeaboo shovelware

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 02:58:00 2022 No.8713782 >>8713764 if they released sonic xtreme aka bug! 3 it would have tanked it even faster

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:00:49 2022 No.8713790 >>8713764 Shut the fuck up, Bernie.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:04:18 2022 No.8713797

>>8713764
Alright if you're asking seriously, I'll tell you
From the start, Sega was owned (secretly) by Nintendo. Once it was no longer necessary to prop up the North American video game scene and artificially drive 'competition' to increase sales due to the introduction of the PlayStation, Nintendo lost interest in their Saturn and cut all ties to Sega. Without Nintendo keeping them out of the red, Sega immediately began to crash and burn hard. Really, a lot of the success of the Genesis can be chalked up to Nintendo, without their mascot Sonic it wouldn't have sold nearly as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:08:05 2022 No.8713813 >>8713764 keep the arcade mindset from genesis

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:08:53 2022 No.8713816

>>8713764
Stop Sega of America from getting high on their own farts and wasting time and resources on the 32X. Instead have everyone on the same team and focus on giving Saturn a good launch by actually supporting devs (both first and third party) with translated manuals, devkits, libraries, etc. Have them focus on getting good western oriented titles made for launch as well as localizing Japanese software they think has appeal.

In this scenario Saturn launches in September of 1995 with more polished software and games actually aimed at western audiences.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:19:35 2022 No.8713836 >>8713816 The problem with Sega was that their American division had any influence... At all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:20:52 2022 No.8713837 >>8713816 >>8713836 >bro it's all sega of america's fault this board fucking worships japan it's absurd

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:30:32 2022 No.8713861

>>8713836
They had more influence than you may think. We can come to this conclusion from recent Japanese interviews as well as interviews from Kalinske and Nakayama from the time. Basically while Sega of Japan didn't like all of Kalinkse's ideas, Nakayama trusted him to understand the American Market. Kalinske was convinced that no new console like the 3DO, Jaguar, or even the Playstation was going to sell well at $300 or more. So much so that he kept demanding that they stick with the Genesis. Nakayama agreed with him and Sega of Japan offered them a Genesis with more colors, Sega of America countered with what became the 32X.

From interviews of the time we can piece together what the plan was. Japan gets the Saturn to focus on in 1994, Sega of America gets the 32X to focus on until about 1996/1997 when the Saturn would be cheaper to release. However as we all know this failed because Kalinske and and Sega of America severely misread the market. Turns out a cheap add-on for the Genesis wasn't what people wanted and it flopped on release. Turns out people didn't mind paying $300 or more for a new system as the PS1 was selling well and both developers and consumers were asking for the Saturn.

This left Sega a bad situation where they had to change course quickly. They had to sweep the 32X under the rug and get the Saturn out fast. But since they were so focused on 32X they had nothing ready for Saturn in the US, and no devkits, manuals, etc. to give out to third party devs. So they had to rely heavily on Japanese software and what shitty US stuff they could put out quickly wasn't going to cut it.

Sure Sega of Japan made mistakes too, but the biggest and most damaging one is Sega of America misreading the market and actually thinking 32X was going to work. Without that issue, Saturn still wouldn't beat the Playstation, but beating the N64 for 2nd was doable.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:32:09 2022 No.8713863

>>8713816
>be Sega of America
>btfo NEC and make PCE irrelevant outside Japan
>outsell Nintendo
>coordinate first ever global launch for a video game
>actually sell consoles
>30 years pass
>weeaboo manchildren seethe about Greendog: The Beached Surfer Dude and blame it for the downfall of the company

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:32:26 2022 No.8713864

>>8713861
>However as we all know this failed because Kalinske and and Sega of America severely misread the market. Turns out a cheap add-on for the Genesis wasn't what people wanted and it flopped on release.
unironically if they just left the genesis as is and didnt release the saturn until mid 1996 (aiming mostly to beat the n64 to market) with a shit load of games it probably would have done well
the genesis and its games were still selling pretty well even into 1997

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:38:58 2022 No.8713880

>>8713863
Sure they did well with the Genesis. But they severely misread things beyond that and those mistakes ultimately did the most damage.
>>8713864
>the genesis and its games were still selling pretty well even into 1997
This is a myth. Look at the actual sales data. Sure it was selling well for a Legacy system, but Playstation, N64, and even the Saturn were destroying it in sales by early 1996. Genesis was done, it was time to move on.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:39:50 2022 No.8713882

>don't do the 32X
>don't piss off retailers by changing the release date last minute
>have a 3D Sonic game ready on launch
With these changes it would have done much better and actually put up some kind of fight against the Playstation, but would probably have still lost. In order to win it would also need to be easier to develop for and have a better marketing campaign.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:43:15 2022 No.8713889

>>8713882
>have a 3D Sonic game ready on launch
Wasn't going to happen. Sonic 3K just finished in late 1994. You can't go from that to a full 3D Sonic game in under a year and hope to have anything decent. Best you could hope for would be Chaotix, or a port of Sonic 3K, Sonic CD, etc.

Honestly people put too much emphasis on Sonic. Sure a 3D Sonic would need to come out eventually, but having one at launch wasn't necessary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:44:44 2022 No.8713895 >>8713764 it wasn't bad

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:51:36 2022 No.8713913

>>8713764
One of the utterly most retarded parts was using battery backup for savegames. Then they compounded the problem by making a save cartridge was was inexplicably incompatable with a lot of games, and telling nobody in north america that the thing even existed to start with.
Memory cards sucked ass back then, but it was still a better option than a literal cheapass solution with an absolutely inevitable failure and loss of data point while simultaneously making sure nobody knew there was something that could at least partially fix the problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:55:31 2022 No.8713918 >>8713913 >incompatible with a lot of games then just save it in the saturn and make a back up save on the memory card you brainlet

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:56:32 2022 No.8713920 >>8713913 >Memory cards sucked ass back then ps1tard detected

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:58:46 2022 No.8713926

>>8713764
Cancel 32x development immediately, add in MD and MCD backwards compatibility for the hell of it to keep SoA from going full retard with 32x launch. Delay launch until late 1995 and beat Sony on pricing. Bring over the good stuff from Japan. Really try to give proper dev kits and docs to western developers. There’s a lot Sega could have done but each division was retarded as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 04:02:12 2022 No.8713930 it has panzer dragoon zwei and saga, which makes it better than your favorite console it also has more games than the N64 which had neither quantity nor quality

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 04:06:21 2022 No.8713938 >>8713930 >panzer dragoon zwei and saga, homo scaly weeb shit, get the fuck outta here we want to play some non-gay shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 04:15:44 2022 No.8713946 Actually release 2D games outside of Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 04:23:32 2022 No.8713954 >>8713880 the Genesis rehash that came out in 98 outsold the Saturns entire lifetime sales. 3rd party titles had the highest sales on the Genesis until 97. you are a delusional weeb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 04:31:19 2022 No.8713964 >>8713920 >memory cards at that time were inheriantly superior to storage of today Zip drives were the future for you, I guess.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 04:33:36 2022 No.8713967

>>8713764
the worst thing about it was the devkits, the second worst thing was the manufacturing cost, the third worst thing was the underpowered 3D chip, and finally you had the lack of a flagship sonic game. the best thing would've been to simply make a completely different console, maybe even push it back to 95 or even 97.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 06:20:34 2022 No.8714125 >>8713776 good games? show me one game that is good, ever, and if no one bitches, it's officially good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 06:26:34 2022 No.8714136 >>8713964 the saturn card can store you 100+ games so stfu zoomy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 06:27:49 2022 No.8714137 >>8714125 outrun

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 06:52:23 2022 No.8714180 >>8713889 >in under a year Yoshis Island had 5+ years put into it and was the worst Mario game up until that point while ff7 took 6 months and sold the psx.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 07:04:07 2022 No.8714193 Release Sonic 3 exclusively on it, add the roaming romans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 07:04:10 2022 No.8714194 >>8714180 I too like to make shit up online and bait people without an ounce of any truth

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 07:44:46 2022 No.8714254

Western Sega fans liked Sonic, and to a lesser extent Streets of Rage and Golden Axe. If those franchises weren't treated as absolute afterthoughts, Saturn might have gotten somewhere.
Firstly you need a Sonic platformer. Doing something that's more "2.5D" like Crash Bandicoot, is probably your best bet to just get a game done and put it out there, without it being trapped in development hell.
Then for Streets of Rage 4, you could make something like the Diehard arcade, and for Golden Axe you could maybe experiment with a 3D Zelda-like.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 07:46:24 2022 No.8714258

>>8714254
>Doing something that's more "2.5D" like Crash Bandicoot, is probably your best bet to just get a game done and put it out there, without it being trapped in development hell.
Yeah why didn't they just go into the future and figure out the most efficient way to make a 3D Sonic game? Fucking Sega, so dumb

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 07:49:01 2022 No.8714263 >>8714258 It's just the design of a 2D platformer with a superficial element of depth added to it. It's way less of a step than reinventing the wheel in the way that Mario 64 did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 07:59:57 2022 No.8714274 In fact Sega already had a 2.5D game in production with Nights. They could very easily have allocated some other team to make a Sonic game in that same engine, but we know how that went.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:03:35 2022 No.8714279 File: 2.89 MB, 512x366, 1593349746132.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8713764 Saturn was excellent looking back. Its games have aged like fine wine. Can't say the same about the n64, the latecomer with no games

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:11:33 2022 No.8714291 >>8714279 If you play this I recommend a turbo button

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:13:16 2022 No.8714294

>>8714263
>>8714274
>It's just
Something that had never been done before, retard. Why didn't they just KNOW to do the thing that I, someone in 2022, see as the most obvious solution? They're sooo dumb!
You should be well aware that this argument doesn't make any logical sense

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:13:52 2022 No.8714296

>>8714279
The thing about 2D action games is they have to be pretty damn good, if you're expecting people to buy a console just to play 2D action games, especially at the time.
You could hold onto your old consoles, or you could buy a Playstation and play Megaman X4, once you're bored of the 3D games you actually bought the system for, or you could buy an N64 and play Mischief Makers once you're bored of the 3D games you actually bought the system for, or could could buy a Saturn and play whatever that is, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:14:23 2022 No.8714297 >>8714291 No don't do that, test your might. The charge attacks are your reprieve. A little soreness is growth

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:16:21 2022 No.8714301

>>8714294
2D gameplay with 3D models isn't that crazy an idea to figure out. They were literally doing it with Nights. I don't know why this is an unreasonable suggestion, while expecting them to just figure out something like Mario 64 in a year, on hardware that wasn't really built for it, is something people just accept could have happened.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:18:41 2022 No.8714305

>>8714194
Yoshis Island has the worst pacing of any Mario ge up until that point. Gone is fire flower Mario for stop start standing in place egg collecting/shooting and ff7 was made within a year. Altered Beast on.Mega Drive waste in 6 weeks for gods sake. Why do you think games all take Duke Nukem forever times to get made?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:19:08 2022 No.8714307 File: 2.93 MB, 600x494, Grandiabeach.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714296 what are you talking about bitch no one is a time traveler just play the games dont be autistic

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:19:46 2022 No.8714310 >>8714307 This is a thread about what could have "saved" the Saturn. not why you like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:25:07 2022 No.8714315 File: 2.84 MB, 480x358, atolm.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714310 too bad dumdum im dumpin webms now enjoy instead of having this gay rehashed thread its mine now kid now check these sick games

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:30:09 2022 No.8714330 >>8714297 I've beaten it without turbo, trust me, get the turbo button

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:33:20 2022 No.8714339 >dude, I'm going to derail discussion by dumping my webm folder Why are they like this?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:43:12 2022 No.8714368 >>8714339 Because they know nothing could've saved the Saturn.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:45:25 2022 No.8714373 >>8714371 >>8714372 This game kind of sucks to play. Really stiff and slow and aims for you.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:49:10 2022 No.8714384 >>8714382 I like how the guy who makes webms for PDZ can't play the game for shit.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:49:43 2022 No.8714385
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>>8714339
>Posting saturn games that could have saved the saturn is derailing in a thread about saving the saturn
Did you want to save it or mourn it anon? Make up your mind. Make a new thread called saturn funeral rip it didn't sell boohoo if you wanna be a crybaby bitch

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:50:46 2022 No.8714387 File: 14 KB, 261x199, Homer laugh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714385 >anything posted in this thread >games that could have saved the saturn

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:52:06 2022 No.8714390 >>8714389 Who the fuck would record themselves beating such an easy game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:52:26 2022 No.8714391 File: 357 KB, 581x534, 1617489125097.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714387 Whoa why are you off topic spamming.... don't you know this hurts MY feelings??

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:53:47 2022 No.8714393 >>8714357 what's this one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:54:07 2022 No.8714394 >>8714391 What could've saved the Saturn was games people actually wanted. Not games weeaboos decades later pretend to like on the internet for cool points.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:57:03 2022 No.8714396 File: 32 KB, 680x680, b7d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714394 Like maryo?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:59:54 2022 No.8714401 File: 257 KB, 1416x987, d7bf875b-67bd-41f0-8a33-421f1bf38dab.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Panzer Dragoon if he good

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 08:59:57 2022 No.8714402 >>8714396 The Saturn needed a 3D Sonic game. Probably the most redundant post ever made in /vr/ history but it will always be true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:02:01 2022 No.8714405 >>8714402 >The Saturn needed a 3D Sonic game no it didn't, it needed Sony not to release the playstation

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:03:08 2022 No.8714406 >>8714405 If the Saturn had games to compete with Playstation it would have sold better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:03:42 2022 No.8714408 >>8714406 no it wouldn't, it had the games

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:04:09 2022 No.8714409 >>8714408 >it had the games Lol no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:06:23 2022 No.8714414 >>8714409 Sonic is not something that would've made much of a difference, look at the dreamcast

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:06:34 2022 No.8714415 >>8714180 >the worst Mario game up until that point 4/10 almost had me

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:07:31 2022 No.8714417

>>8714414
>Sonic is not something that would've made much of a difference
What kind of insane attempt to rewrite history is this? Sonic is the only reason anyone even knows who Sega is today and the only reason the Genesis sold so well. For better or for worse.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:10:46 2022 No.8714423

>>8714417
We had 2 good sonic games on Dreamcast and it still killed the company
you are the only one here trying to rewrite history anon
Sonic CD couldn't sell the MEGA CD and Chaotix couldn't sell the 32x
the reason the Genesis sold so well is because of marketing and marketing alone

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:11:31 2022 No.8714424 >>8714423 >We had 2 good sonic games on Dreamcast and it still killed the company Another sad attempt that will never work, everybody knows the Saturn killed Sega.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:12:41 2022 No.8714425 >>8714401 starfox 64 is kinda shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:13:00 2022 No.8714426 File: 83 KB, 700x933, 1470057223334-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714402 >NOOO UHHH >BLUE MARIO!!!! lol you're so predictable get some new material faggot stick to nintendo

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:13:36 2022 No.8714427 >>8714425 tbf all range mode only made the game more tedious and padded, it's a 7/10 to panzer zwei's 10/10 (says it on the disc so its true)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:13:49 2022 No.8714428 >>8714426 >noooo stop stating the obvious facts You should actually cope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:14:08 2022 No.8714429 >>8714424 No, Sony killed SEGA, this is an undeniable fact Nintendo kept their market because of multiplayer and the fact their handhelds were selling a metric shit ton

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:15:10 2022 No.8714431
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>>8714428
>post this same gay thread weekly
>just to post the same material
dude you need to get good your posts are shit hence why you're thread is shit. when I make threads they get iron man numbers yours has bitch numbers

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:15:45 2022 No.8714432
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>>8714427
Speaking of padding.
>>8714429
>Sony killed SEGA, this is an undeniable fact
Because Sony gave people what they want while Sega dicked around creating shit nobody ever asked for like Nights.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:16:48 2022 No.8714438 >>8714431 >just to post the same material You mean like you do with the same webms of you playing the same games poorly?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:17:33 2022 No.8714439 >>8714432 >Because Sony gave people what they want no, Sony made the super nintendo 2 the reason the Mega Drive was great had nothing to do with Sonic

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:18:51 2022 No.8714442 >>8714439 >sony made a sequel console to one of the best selling consoles of all time So they gave people more of what they wanted. >the reason the Mega Drive was great had nothing to do with Sonic The only reason it sold was because of Sonic though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:22:01 2022 No.8714456 >>8714442 >The only reason it sold was because of Sonic though. so you're saying it was completely a fluke? glad we're in agreement that sonic wouldn't have done much for the saturn

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:22:41 2022 No.8714457 >>8714438 Post 1CC

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:23:11 2022 No.8714462 >>8714456 >so you're saying it was completely a fluke? No I'm saying they made a mascot that kids loved and were eagerly anticipating the 3D entry to compete with Mario and Crash.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:23:54 2022 No.8714465

>>8714429
And because Nintendo don't neglect the franchises that people buy Nintendo consoles to play.
Can you imagine if N64 came out and there was no Mario, and Nintendo were trying to convince people their new character "Slappy the Clown" was what they really wanted?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:24:03 2022 No.8714467 >>8714462 Again, we had that on the dreamcast and it still didn't work for SEGA

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:24:18 2022 No.8714469 File: 384 KB, 773x985, nindefender.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714432 >64 autist has entered the chat this guy talks more about saturn than he plays n64 that he loves so much. can't blame him, n64 had no games

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:24:55 2022 No.8714470 >>8714467 Only because they were out of money thanks to the Saturn flopping. The Dreamcast was actually a success early on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:26:55 2022 No.8714474 >>8714470 irrelevant, saying saturn killed the dreamcast is the most cope I've heard on this board

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:26:55 2022 No.8714475 >>8714279 >Its games have aged like fine wine. Can't say the same about the n64, the latecomer with no games based and true, fuck those n64 games with those shitty filters and puke textures running at single digit fps

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:27:24 2022 No.8714476 >>8714474 there's worse cope. There's cope that if saturn had blue mario at launch things would be different.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:27:57 2022 No.8714479 >>8714279 >>8714475 All 3 systems were and are great you fuckers need to stop this shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:28:09 2022 No.8714481 File: 2.51 MB, 640x480, 64fog.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714475 What the fuck were they thinking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:28:23 2022 No.8714482 >>8714469 >you can't mention a direct competitor to the Saturn, which performed better than the Saturn Why?

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:28:46 2022 No.8714483

>>8714474
>saying saturn killed the dreamcast is the most cope I've heard on this board
Have you seen the people saying the Saturn didn't kill Sega? That's got to be the biggest, most monumental cope and attempt at rewriting history.
>>8714476
>if the Saturn had the one game people were most anticipating from Sega at the time it would've been any different
Giga cope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:28:54 2022 No.8714484 >>8714482 what are you even replying to?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:29:10 2022 No.8714487 >>8714296 why buy the playstation for 2d games and not the saturn, thats awfully retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:30:25 2022 No.8714491 >>8714475 The filter and low framerates are part of the experience.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:31:52 2022 No.8714493 >>8714487 You buy the Playstation to play Crash and FF7, and then maybe you play 2D games after the fact.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:31:55 2022 No.8714494 File: 28 KB, 376x265, Mischief_Makers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the best 2D game of the gen was on N64, not Saturn 2D powerhouse bros...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:32:46 2022 No.8714495 >>8714494 Based and Mischief pilled. The sperg will reply to this post with the math minigame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:32:49 2022 No.8714496 >>8714483 delusional the Mega Drive, more specifically the genesis was lightning in a bottle

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:32:52 2022 No.8714497 File: 3.00 MB, 510x360, mischief makers gimmicks.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714494 >elmos math adventures >best 2D game bro... this game sucks....the music does too bro...it also looks like a turd

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:33:24 2022 No.8714498 >>8714481 It's dark.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:33:47 2022 No.8714501 >>8714498 it's all the n64 could do. It even chugs in that darkness (fps is around 19-24)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:34:38 2022 No.8714502 >>8714501 Soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:34:59 2022 No.8714503 >>8714502 no thats just shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:35:00 2022 No.8714504 >>8714496 For the majority of people there was no console between the Genesis and the Dreamcast. What is the common factor between those two consoles?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:35:33 2022 No.8714507 >>8714481 bad res and bad sound quality too, I really don't understand how people can like that console, it even had less games than the saturn

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:35:40 2022 No.8714508 >>8714503 It's rustic and homely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:35:47 2022 No.8714510 >>8714504 duh...they both launched with altered beast

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:36:10 2022 No.8714513 >>8714504 for the majority of people there was no dreamcast but a stopgap to the PS2

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:36:34 2022 No.8714514 >>8714479 no, I like the playstation and the saturn, but the n64 is the worst console I've ever owned

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:37:41 2022 No.8714515 >>8714514 Of course, you are probably an RPG fan

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:38:09 2022 No.8714516

>axe the 32X during the concept phase (no fucking reason or right for it to exist), move all its in-development games to Genesis or Saturn
>axe the Nomad (novel concept but too expensive and impractical) and focus on the Game Gear, localize more Japan exclusives
>if at all possible, design the Saturn in a way to make it backwards-compatible with Genesis and Sega CD games, even better if it has a traditional 3D processor instead of the weird quads shit
>no gimmicky E3 marketing stunts that could embolden Sony to drop the price, stick with the "Saturnday" plan and market accordingly
>tell Yuji Naka to chill the fuck out and let them use the Nights engine for Sonic Xtreme, launch with Knuckles Chaotix as a holdover for mainline Sonic, if Naka leaves Sega so be it desu lol

This is all they would need to do to ensure the Saturn could stand a fighting chance.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:38:37 2022 No.8714517

>>8714510
>>8714513
Sonic was and still is the lifeblood of Sega. Launching a console without a game in the series was suicide and killed the company. These are only controversial statements if you're a Saturn hipster in the unique position of having to defend the flop that was the Saturn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:38:54 2022 No.8714519 >>8714514 Because your a tranny pedophile who "plays" jarpigs and cringey weebshit with screaming animu girls

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:39:16 2022 No.8714521 >>8714494 n64 can't do 2d games

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:39:40 2022 No.8714524 >>8714517 >Sonic was and still is the lifeblood of Sega if you truly believe this then it is no wonder that they died

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:40:18 2022 No.8714525 >>8714524 If you don't believe this you're fucking delusional. No other word for it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:42:01 2022 No.8714527 >>8714525 I can count on one hand the amount of Sonic games that can be considered objectively good

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:42:07 2022 No.8714528 >>8714515 no I just like to play my games with good res, no puke textures, good sound quality, no fog, with a good controller and running 30+ fps, something the n64 can't do

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:42:41 2022 No.8714529 >>8714527 So can I. Doesn't change the fact that he is what made Sega.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:42:46 2022 No.8714531 >>8714528 >I like to play my games without soul Sad for you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:43:33 2022 No.8714532 >>8714519 kek nice cope, I actually like driving games, like sega rally and driver, ur the actual trany for liking nintendo shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:44:36 2022 No.8714535 >>8714516 It'd be kind of cool if they came out with a new, smaller model revision of the Game Gear that took fewer batteries instead of the Nomad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:45:50 2022 No.8714537 >>8714528 Shiturn's arcade ports suffer from all of these

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:45:54 2022 No.8714538 >>8714528 yeah, because they weren't fully 3D games with a more simplistic models, I don't disagree with that but the 64 graphics were a lot more complex than both of the other systems, only the textures were really low quality

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:47:40 2022 No.8714545 >>8714517 >blue mario

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:48:10 2022 No.8714546 >>8714529 Which is why I'm saying it's the reason why it died relying on such a poor series would not have saved them or sold the Saturn much more than it did and the Dreamcast is proof of that I shouldn't have to repeat myself this much

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:48:41 2022 No.8714548 >>8714527 lets see sonic sonic 2 sonic 3 and k sonic 3d (saturn) sa sa2 sonic fighter sega sonic sonic all stars racing sonic mania sonic drift 2 you are a faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:48:52 2022 No.8714550 >>8714545 Yes, Blue Mario good. German Dragon game for nerds. Gay clown game for no one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:49:13 2022 No.8714551 >>8714550 stick to nintendo bro mario 64 was shit btw

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:49:42 2022 No.8714552 >>8714531 wtf does that even mean, is this cope?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:49:56 2022 No.8714554 >>8714551 It wasn't, and I will continue playing games I like, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:50:18 2022 No.8714557 >>8714527 Even Sonic 06 is better than the cringe weebshit in the webms you posted

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:50:22 2022 No.8714558 >>8714548 >objectively >sonic all stars racing is a sonic game

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:50:30 2022 No.8714559 >>8714554 you like bad games bro, mario 64's all filler no killer

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:50:43 2022 No.8714561 >>8714537 >DUU DAYTONA stfu retard

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:50:50 2022 No.8714562

>>8714545
I don't get it. Mario also sells a shit ton and Nintendo would be retarded to release a console without his games.
>>8714546
You are unironically the most delusional poster on /vr/ if you genuinely believe a 3D Sonic game wouldn't have positively influenced the Saturn's sales. I don't think anyone actually believes that for a second.
>and the Dreamcast is proof of that
The console that sold way better than the Saturn?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:51:19 2022 No.8714564 >>8714562 >Mario also sells a shit ton who gives a fuck lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:51:40 2022 No.8714565 >>8714559 Nights is "killer the console".

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:52:06 2022 No.8714569 >>8714564 Sega did, that's why they made Sonic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:52:21 2022 No.8714570 >>8714538 but anon idc, if it looks like shit and plays like shit, I'm not gonna pretend its good just bc some s o yboys are mad, the playstation and saturn are much better

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:53:08 2022 No.8714571 >>8714562 >Estimates for the number of Sega Saturn consoles sold worldwide range from over 9.5 million units[2] to as high as 17 million units >As of 2007, the Dreamcast sold 10.6 million units worldwide, >way better

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:53:22 2022 No.8714572 >>8714558 I think it is, played it, it was good. maybe you suck at it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:55:00 2022 No.8714578 >>8714571 Way better in the west anyway. The Saturn was quite the gigaflop everywhere but Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:55:11 2022 No.8714579 >>8714570 If you like games with parkinsons, and textures drawn in MSPaint.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:55:41 2022 No.8714581 >>8714572 Those were 2 separate statements anon sonic all stars racing is not a sonic game, when team sonic racing released what was the first thought that went through peoples minds the objective statement was about the rest

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:56:00 2022 No.8714582 >>8713797 > Sega was owned (secretly) by Nintendo. Can I get a qrd/sources?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:57:25 2022 No.8714585 File: 146 KB, 220x321, Dark_Savior_Coverart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >shit controls >shit platforming >shit combat typical Saturd hidden gem

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:58:23 2022 No.8714589 >>8714578 maybe in America, the difference being a couple million

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:58:34 2022 No.8714590 >>8714258 This but unironically

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:59:44 2022 No.8714592 >>8714258 They could've made it like bulk slash

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 09:59:51 2022 No.8714593 >>8714294 Sonic X-treme wasn’t even that different from Crash’s 2.5D style. Quit being retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:01:55 2022 No.8714602 >>8714585 >all combat is a shitty 1 on 1 fighting game What were they thinking? So disappointing after Landstalker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:02:13 2022 No.8714603 >>8714414 >look at the dreamcast Yeah, and its #1 best selling game, Sonic Adventure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:05:01 2022 No.8714610 >>8714603 >>8714571

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:05:38 2022 No.8714612 >>8714579 >lul wobly grafics not every game has that issue retard >ms paint some textures are pretty good, and are way better than ur puke textures

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:06:39 2022 No.8714615 >>8714581 but it is a sonic game faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:08:41 2022 No.8714616 >>8714585 why are you so mad at the saturn anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:12:27 2022 No.8714624 >>8714615 It’s a SEGA franchise game Team sonic racing is the sonic game Either way they are arcade racers, I don’t put Mario Kart and Mario Party in the description for Mario games

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:16:25 2022 No.8714631

>>8714593
Except the game was heavily built around these explorable sandbox style areas, and that clearly wasn't gelling well with Sonic's sense of speed when paired with 3D controls.
My take would have been just give up on the idea of back and forward movement, and make something more like Iggy's Reckin' Balls, where you can have 3D visual gimmicks, but the game is still fundamentally very 2D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ4NoTAGKAA

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:18:13 2022 No.8714636 >>8714624 ok but I still consider it as a sonic game

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:19:31 2022 No.8714639 why didn't they make a sonic game based on that 3d area in sonic jam

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:23:12 2022 No.8714649 File: 505 KB, 595x289, download (7).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8714612 Luv me puke textures.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:23:45 2022 No.8714651

>>8714639
They were kind of going-to, Sonic Adventure started development on Saturn at the beginning of 1997 almost immediately after Sonic Xtreme's cancellation, but the Dreamcast hardware started taking shape very shortly after development started and Sega wanted it moved to the new console so they used the work they'd done on the Saturn version of SA to make the 3D world in Sonic Jam.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:25:19 2022 No.8714654 >>8714649 you must have some good tatses anon, hm hm hm

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:26:33 2022 No.8714656 >>8714651 ok didn't know that, makes sense, reminds me of shenmue https://youtu.be/foZUcPQAMvg

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:27:16 2022 No.8714661 >>8714654 I genuinely like the look. You gonna tell me I'm not allowed to?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:32:07 2022 No.8714679 >>8714661 No I just said you have strange tastes

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:35:19 2022 No.8714681

>>8714679
For the time, not really. Nintendo opted to have that filtering on their games, because it made them look better. You can look back on the jagged wobbly look of the Playstation and the Saturn and appreciate those as something very distinct to their time period, but in no objective sense are those "better graphics".

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:41:02 2022 No.8714694 >>8714681 >because it made them look better no, stop being a ninfanboy >wobly Dude stop with that faggy argument, Not all games have that issue and its something i actually dont like

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:41:49 2022 No.8714696 >>8714681 >because it made them look better it was used to hide the inferior textures and blur the inferior models with its aggressive AA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 10:43:00 2022 No.8714698 >>8714681 >>8714681 >but in no objective sense are those "better graphics". yes they are, but since you have no taste you wouldn't understand

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:26:58 2022 No.8714821 >>8714279 >boring week side scroller number #9000005 This is why OP mentioned that the Saturn was an embarrassing failure. Imagine unironically thinking weebshit is good

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:35:17 2022 No.8714862 >>8714610 Your point? A lot of people bought the Saturn simply because they were fans of the Genesis/MegaDrive. The Saturn was a huge disappointment, which is why the Dreamcast is more fondly remembered despite selling fewer units.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:42:00 2022 No.8714882 >>8714821 you mad?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:43:02 2022 No.8714886 >>8714862 it wasn't a huge disappointment

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:44:27 2022 No.8714890 >>8714886 >has nothing people wanted back when it was released >most noteworthy game is about flying through rings as a gay clown Disappointment is an understatement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:44:57 2022 No.8714892 >>8713764 Even in the arcades Sega couldn't figure out how to do transparencies, Saturn was doomed from the get go.

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:48:44 2022 No.8714898

It was a groundbreaking system in 1995 with a new controller design and a hit game, Panzer Dragoon. Sega always did something new; That was the two chips and the geometry. The texture mapping was better than PS1. It was just a bit autistic, and by 1997-98, the N64, and later the Dreamcast were here. It was a fucking sweet system. It just debuted when Sega Genesis was still relevant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:48:50 2022 No.8714901 >>8714882 Are you? Or are you just gay? You gay?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 11:50:14 2022 No.8714905 >>8713764 It could have waited until it was 18 before posting

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:17:16 2022 No.8714964 >>8714890 you obviously don't know shit about the console so ur opinion is discarded, and self neckage is recommended

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:18:17 2022 No.8714969 >>8714892 >Even in the arcades Sega couldn't figure out how to do transparencies yes they could and the saturn can too faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 12:19:18 2022 No.8714971 >>8714901 nice cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 16:42:00 2022 No.8715671 >>8714585 This game is good, you take that back. Captcha: MYAAN

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 18:29:25 2022 No.8715903 The hardware not being an eldritch maze of coprocessors only navigable by coding wizards would have helped.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 18:33:18 2022 No.8715909 File: 537 KB, 856x1169, Command & Conquer (E)(FR) - Front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 18:51:46 2022 No.8715937

>>8714180
> ff7 took 6 months
FF7 started development in 1994 and came out in 1997.
>>8713954
Let's compare worldwide sales without Japan in 95:

Genesis 95: 2.7 Million
Saturn 95: 500k
PS1 95: 1.4 Million

Sure Genesis sold more total, but there's 2 things that need to be factored in. PS1 was only on the Market for ~4 months, Saturn for ~7. Sega also had supply issues in the west with the Saturn as stated by interviews with Nakayama around the time. They didn't have enough Saturns to meet demand in the west. The fact PS1 in 1/4 of the time sold over half the amount of systems as the Genesis should be your first clue that the Genesis was on it's way out.

Now let's look at 96 and 97:

Genesis 96: 1.3 Million
Saturn 96: 1.7 Million
PS1 96: 4.4 Million

Genesis 97:600k
Saturn 97: 1 Million
PS1 97: 13.8 Million

This makes it clear that Genesis was done and nothing more than a legacy platform at this point. This isn't evidence that Saturn was selling like crazy, it's more evidence at how much Sega of America misread the market. These sales are ok for a legacy console, but no where near serious enough to justify Sega of America's read of the market and to think it was enough to hold it's ground against the PS1 and N64. It's clear Genesis was done when even Saturn with it's dismal performance in the west was still outselling it. PS1 and N64 sales completely dwarf them.

>the Genesis rehash that came out in 98 outsold the Saturns entire lifetime sales.
Only in the US and only because Sega of America fucked up hard and Saturn was dead by then. The Genesis 3 is the only Sega system we have sales numbers for from the US in 1998. Compare those sales to the PS1 and N64 and it's laughable. The point is that Sega of America severely misread the market and trying to focus on Genesis for a few more years against the PS1 wasn't viable. Had they not misread the market so poorly and focused more on launching Saturn in 1995, things could have been different.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:05:05 2022 No.8715956 65% of these posts are auster trying defend weebshit you can tell because he posts the same images and webms every Saturn thread Saturn fucking sucks and it killed SEGA. Genesis/MS/DC will always be the superior consoles

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:13:44 2022 No.8715964 >>8715956 And you go into every Saturn thread just to complain about "weebshit".

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 19:16:06 2022 No.8715968 >>8715964 c'mere gimme a kiss sweetheart gimme some of dat aussie-wog boipuss

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:27:44 2022 No.8716089 >>8715937 Ff6 started development in 1994.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:30:04 2022 No.8716097 >>8714494 This game had some of the shittest background of nothing. I did find it fun though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:33:18 2022 No.8716102 >>8714415 I'm not joking. All NES Mario's are well designed while Super Nintendo went a step in the wrong direction. Smw was too easy/bland and Yoshis Island is a total mess. Notice they never made another Mario game again giving Yoshi the main focus?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:34:29 2022 No.8716105 >>8714423 Chaotix sucked. Add ons in general were a bad idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:55:58 2022 No.8716140 >>8716089 Ff6 released in early 1994 dumbass

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 20:58:17 2022 No.8716146 >>8716140 Proving how quickly it was made.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:10:44 2022 No.8716162 >>8715956 Saturn wasn't popular in UK/Australia/PAL regions (except Portugal), so australia doesn't feel the need to defend it. In fact, australia is one of the most incessant anti-Saturn shitposters, he was the bernieposter, surprise surprise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:24:54 2022 No.8716180 >>8716162 Nice try aushiter

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:28:02 2022 No.8716189 >>8716180 Guarantee this is him >>8716162 Maybe I was the only one with a Saturn here in Australia, still have it and use it too, just put a fenrir in it to get all those games going that we missed out on

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 21:35:13 2022 No.8716207 >>8716089 >>8716146 Final Fantasy VI started development in 1992.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 22:03:09 2022 No.8716263 >>8716105 nah, there are some great games on the CD just not as good as the PC engines CD

Anonymous Mon Mar 14 22:18:47 2022 No.8716292

>>8716189
I owned a Saturn and so did my friend but we only bought them from a video store in 98 trying to clear them out. Think we got em for $50 and paid $10 for 3 games since they had rental stickers on them and didn't quite know what they were selling them for individually. Picked up almost everything from Daytona, Sega Rally, Fighters Megamix, Panzer Dragoon, Clockwork night, Shinobi, Virtua Cop and many more.

I didn't know a single kid in school who owned a Saturn other than us. Almost every Aussie kid I knew had a 64 or psx.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 22:35:12 2022 No.8716337 >>8716263 It could have had Sonic Mania and it wouldn't have changed a thing. Having to buy a Genesis and then a cd attachment was a bad idea. They should have rereleased the system with a cd player built into it if they really wanted it to take off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 23:37:22 2022 No.8716483 >>8713764 Upon launch, the PlayStation was $299. The Saturn cost $399. The price is what drove people to the less expensive PlayStation and killed the Saturn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 23:43:51 2022 No.8716501 >>8716483 Saturn had no must have games to play

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 23:49:27 2022 No.8716519 >>8716501 Depends on what you wanted to play. The game library was MUCH larger in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 23:52:23 2022 No.8716521 >>8713764 >Can't do 3D >Good shit only in Japan >Got bootyblasted by the PS1 >No Sanic >God awful marketing No more "why the saturn failed" threads pls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 23:57:19 2022 No.8716527 >>8714497 >optional minigame that was also fun >a negative Seethe. Would have rather had Guardian Heroes, though, even though I've always loved this game.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 00:02:20 2022 No.8716552

>>8714469
N64's games still get sequels and mods, today (eg, New Pokemon Snap, Goldfinger 64, Shadow Man and Turok remastered). Only hardcore gamers on this based place and other websites know about Saturn games, outside of maybe Nights. Great consoles with great games, either way.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 00:02:56 2022 No.8716553

>>8716483
Again this is exaggerated. Sure at the surprise launch it was $400, but Sega was able to quickly get the cost down. Compare a launch unit Saturn to one from a few months later, they're very different internally.

By the time the PS1 launched Saturn effectively was price matching it. In September it was $349 and came with a game, while PS1 was $299 and didn't come with a game. In October Sega started offering a version at $299 without a game just like PS1. By Spring of 1996 it was down to $199 with the launch of the Model 2, months before the PS1 got to that price.

Had Sega of America again not completely misread the market and screwed up with the pushing the 32X instead of backing the Saturn, they probably could have launched the Saturn in the Fall of 1995 at $299 with a much stronger line up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 00:04:38 2022 No.8716561 >>8716552 Don't bother with the Australian

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 00:11:33 2022 No.8716582 >>8713764 >Why was it so bad? couldn't do 3D well; had few games >What could have been done to prevent it from being an embarrassing failure instead of just adding another processor, add a real GPU forget about the 32X stop raping developers up the ass

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 00:22:19 2022 No.8716615 >>8716582 >couldn't do 3D well; >instead of just adding another processor, add a real GPU It has a real GPU that can do 3D just fine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZpa0ABrypc

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 00:27:33 2022 No.8716625 >>8716337 yes, I stated earlier in the thread that the reason genesis was so popular was due to marketing, they really dropped the ball to everything after that

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 00:38:00 2022 No.8716642 >>8714423 >Mega CD >Genesis Why are zoomers like this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 00:40:49 2022 No.8716650 >>8716642 because I usually call it the Mega Drive, I was saying genesis specifically because of the american popularity

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 01:45:07 2022 No.8716785 >>8713861 Trying to sell mandatory addons that aren't either internal storage or networking is like the dumbest shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:10:29 2022 No.8717167 >>8716615 bruh wtf is that game? can i get it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:11:31 2022 No.8717168 >>8716582 >couldn't do 3D well you are retard, go back to v zoomy

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:24:01 2022 No.8717179 >>8713764 RPGs were growing in popularity due to the SNES, and SEGA underestimated the cost of pissing off the entire western Shining Force/Phantasy Star fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:31:57 2022 No.8717185 >>8717167 hellslave was a recent homebrew game and yeah you should be able to find it easy

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:33:16 2022 No.8717187 >>8717179 it had many RPG's it's of course as always SEGA of americas fault for not promoting the system

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:52:59 2022 No.8717208

the issue with threads like this is that people equate the saturn's failure in the west with sega's demise, when in fact the saturn existing at all was the problem. even in japan where it led the PS1 for three years, the manufacturing cost was so absurdly high and the attach rate so mediocre that sega continually lost money selling it, wrecking their finances and setting themselves up for failure with the dreamcast. saving it wouldn't have saved the company, but scrapping it sooner would've.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 06:57:51 2022 No.8717213

>>8717208
>and setting themselves up for failure with the dreamcast
see this is just wrong and I'm sick of people that keep saying it
the Wii U and Switch is a prime example to compare with
The only thing that killed SEGA was their inability to compete with both Sony and Nintendo simultaneously

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:20:04 2022 No.8717378 File: 401 KB, 200x209, 200w.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8713776 if you put westaboo shovelware on it, the saturn becomes the playstation

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:42:16 2022 No.8717429 >>8716552 Powerslave just got a remastered version as well

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:45:25 2022 No.8717439

>Give Burning Rangers a try because the music is top notch
>Camera sucks, controls are awkward and the framerate is painful
>Wait months for the Bulk Slash localization, finish the game I was playing when it was announced too so I can make it the next game to focus on because it looks really fun
>Bosses move around at random and constant crash into you because you can't stop moving forward while in flying mode; the plot and cute girls that make up the entirety of the game's marketing are barely elaborated on in the game itself; the game only has 7 stages and ends in less than an hour (that's it?)
>Look up Policenauts because it looks kinda cool
>It's a 9 hour long interactive movie
It's kind of a shame that such cool looking titles feel either like throwaway pasttimes or full-blown Kojima extravaganzas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:46:16 2022 No.8717440 >>8717185 nice

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:47:17 2022 No.8717446 >>8717208 you forgot that sega had to buy components unlike sony

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:49:15 2022 No.8717452 >>8717439 >Look up Policenauts because it looks kinda cool >It's a 9 hour long interactive movie you didn't know? are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:51:42 2022 No.8717461 >>8717452 I didn't, because I didn't grow up with saturn games, you dumb nigger.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:53:02 2022 No.8717463 [DELETED]

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>>8713764
>Why was it so bad?
Saturn is only bad if you never owned the console. And you get all your infos from scott-the-woz youtube cringe people.
>What could have been done to prevent it from being an embarrassing failure
Best selling SEGA platform in Japan by far. Embarrassing to who? Sega Of America? SOA was always a little embarrassing? And why do you retardos always want to help SEGA of amerifat? Whats up with that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:57:44 2022 No.8717480 >>8713764 dogshit company went full on otaku pandering and only produced 1/6 of the sales of the genesis fuck sega of japan they didn't deserve our loyalty

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 09:58:58 2022 No.8717482 >>8717463 you are not japanese you will never be japanese you will always be a wog

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:00:09 2022 No.8717485 >>8717461 >just had to look up yt videos yes you are retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:05:01 2022 No.8717502 >>8717482 And you ain't chinese retardo. Yet half your crap is made in china? Why so stupid?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:06:51 2022 No.8717508 >>8717485 >Just spoil your experience I play games, not watch them, dumbass. By the way your favorite game company is dead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:07:58 2022 No.8717512 >>8717502 kek get a load of ESL wog over here

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:11:46 2022 No.8717517 >>8717508 >could have just watched the first 10 min. you are humongously retarded >duuuh segaaa is deed nice seething, and no last time I checked they still in the gaming industry

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:12:49 2022 No.8717521 >>8717512 ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUESTION QUADRUPLE NIGGER :o

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:17:20 2022 No.8717537 >>8717439 Policenauts is a PC-98 game, by the way, and it's also on Playstation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:18:34 2022 No.8717545 >>8717537 but saturn version is better

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:18:59 2022 No.8717547

>>8717482
i regret being a Sega Saturn autist in the 2000s
there were only a handful of us back then. most of us just liked fighting games
then the contrarian influencers and reddit came and made saturn less like the neo-geo community and more like the gamecube's

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:22:07 2022 No.8717553 >>8717517 10 minutes actually playing and finding out for myself was no skin off my back, bitch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:24:34 2022 No.8717560 >>8717521 Go away smelly wog

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:24:36 2022 No.8717561 >>8717553 then stop bitching about it you redit faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:25:37 2022 No.8717567 >>8717547 what do you mean

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:27:04 2022 No.8717571 >>8717547 That's the very essence of hipsterdom.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:28:23 2022 No.8717573
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>>8717547
Are you such a fucking conformist that its so important to you what others do and think? Do you even possess a personality of your own? No? Well thats too bad, you are probably stuck with that for life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:29:46 2022 No.8717580 >>8717547 Based and truth pilled. You can tell you hit a nerve by the amount of zoomer hate you are getting already.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:30:12 2022 No.8717582 >>8717547 >the neo-geo community Peak coomlectors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:32:41 2022 No.8717589 >>8713797 >without their mascot Sonic it wouldn't have sold nearly as well. what are sports games what are disney games what are ports outselling snes on the regular and various action games

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:47:47 2022 No.8717615
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>>8713764
Take a good look at this Genesis chart and you will see what the Saturn was lacking. Saturn abandoned their fanbase.
NIGHTS into DREAMS?? Who the fuck wanted to play that gay shit in the 90s? Fucking nobody that's who.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 10:58:55 2022 No.8717631 >>8717378 And the playstation was successful, sooo...

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:05:37 2022 No.8717641 >>8717631 The majority is always wrong by the way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:24:12 2022 No.8717667 >>8717631 fortnite is successful too, does that mean its good?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:25:24 2022 No.8717671 >>8717615 >DUDE NIGHTS IS NOT RAD DUDE BRO IM TELLING YOU you sound like one of those retarded american teens, go neck urself

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:27:43 2022 No.8717676 >>8717671 you sound like one of those retarded zoomer weebs, go neck urself

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:28:34 2022 No.8717681 >>8717615 >THEY NEEDED SONIC! That didn't stop the PS1 from selling like hotcakes. The biggest problem is the botched western launch. That massive screw up just set them up to be constantly be playing catch up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:29:48 2022 No.8717683 >>8717681 Crash is basically just Sonic crossed with Donkey Kong, and crash sold a lot of consoles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:33:30 2022 No.8717690 >>8717683 Crash Bandicoot didn't come out until late 1996. PS1 was still selling well enough before that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:35:30 2022 No.8717696 >>8717676 I'm gona play duke nukem on my saturn while you cry like a faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:37:05 2022 No.8717702 >>8717681 you forgot that the saturn was hard to work with and sony could make price drops because they didn't need to buy electronic components

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:41:22 2022 No.8717707 >>8717696 lel eduke32 exists you dumbfuck nigger zoomer

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:44:16 2022 No.8717710

>>8717702
You forget that Sega had already significantly cost reduced the Saturn by Fall of 1995. You also forget that they beat Sony to the $199 price point in the Spring of 1996 with the launch of the Model 2 Saturn.

As for the Saturn being hard to work with, it's no more difficult than the SNES or N64. Maybe wasting time and resources on the 32X and not getting translated Saturn manuals, SDKs, etc. into the hands of developers as soon as possible wasn't such a good idea...

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:53:56 2022 No.8717732 >>8717690 It really started to hit its stride in 1996. Which is when Crash and Resident Evil were released. Sega had Nights which nobody wanted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:55:06 2022 No.8717738 >>8717707 Soulless.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:57:33 2022 No.8717742

>>8717732
It was already selling well in 1995 when only being on the market for less than 4 months. So again it's clear PS1 had something that made it appealing before those two games.

Saturn could have been capitalizing on that as well but Sega of America fucked up the launch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:58:02 2022 No.8717743 >>8717738 you think a gimped shite console conversion is better? lmao saturn really has no games huh

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:59:54 2022 No.8717749 >>8717742 >So again it's clear PS1 had something that made it appealing before those two games. Being 100 dollars less and having better games.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 11:59:54 2022 No.8717750

>>8714279
>Saturn was excellent looking back. Its games have aged like fine wine.
Yes, there are easily a dozen Saturn games I'm looking forward to digging through in the next few years.
>Can't say the same about the n64, the latecomer with no games
Retarded

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:02:19 2022 No.8717756

>>8717749
>Being 100 dollars less
By the time the PS1 launched Sega had gotten the cost down and was price matching it. So try again.
>having better games
And this again falls back on Sega of America screwing up the launch by splitting resources to the 32X. If they didn't do that, Saturn could have launched with much better games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:04:48 2022 No.8717764 >>8717756 >it's all SoA's fault that the games programmed in Japan were shitty

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:09:18 2022 No.8717778 >>8713861 interesting take and explation, anon thanks, keep posting info like this, you are a good anon, thanks for making 4chan better. Kudos.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:11:40 2022 No.8717787 >>8717707 what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:12:48 2022 No.8717795 >>8717710 how does that change the fact that they still needed to buy components unlike sony?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:14:20 2022 No.8717804 >>8717743 >you think a gimped shite console conversion is better actually the best port of duke nukem 3d on vr console but ok zoomer and the saturn has game its just that ur a retard who doesn't know shit

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:21:17 2022 No.8717831
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>>8717764
The problem is they focused on the 32X so they had no western games to launch with the Saturn. So they had to rely on the Japanese games and were constantly playing catch up.

>>8717795
>Sony didn't need to buy components
Of course they had to buy components. Just because they made some of them doesn't mean they're free. The reason for the Saturn's high cost at launch isn't because Sony made some of their own components, it's because the launch Saturn is a mess inside.

Take a look at the internals of a VA0 and a VA1 Saturn, the VA1 is significantly consolidated down and cost reduced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:34:18 2022 No.8717880 >>8717831 va1 looks more packed

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:37:55 2022 No.8717889

>>8717567
>>8717571
It's another example of autistic nerd culture that no one else cared about getting hijacked by posers and turned into some lucrative industry. No one gave a shit about Saturn or Gamecube for years except for spergs. In all fairness to younger spergs who just like games, what we see now is an unholy union between the most vocal and irritating fanboys of old and the most insufferable attention-whores and influencers of the present. The "hey, this is pretty good" $5 game of old is the "obscure hidden gem!! but is it actually good?? (reaction thumbnail w/ influencer shrugging)" $700 game of today that's been overrated to death.
>>8717573
>being this emotionally invested and triggered
You need to go outside
>>8717582
You're not wrong. NG collecting (especially AES) is still probably the most elitist and full of gatekeepers. It has been that way since the 90s. With that, it is an older kind of autist elitism that's harder to be co-opted by influencers because it doesn't attract a big enough audience for viewers and they're already priced out. That has started to change since they added Terry Bogart to Smash, and now all these people who never played a Fatal Fury game talk about it and KoF like its 2nd nature and they grew up with it.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:42:49 2022 No.8717910

>>8717880
Yes, and it all fits on one board. The CD-ROM Control block and Expansion slot are no longer on a separate board, they're integrated into the main board. The Power supply also became less complicated and you can see certain chips are already starting to be consolidated and reduced in size.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:48:59 2022 No.8717932 File: 78 KB, 1138x640, download.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8717889 The world according to retardo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:49:25 2022 No.8717935 >>8717910 thx for explanation

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 12:56:30 2022 No.8717956

>>8717935
You can also see that RAM chips are being reduced. On the VA0 you can actually see each memory bank's specific RAM chip. There's a 512KB on near the SCSP, there's a 512KB one near VDP2, there's 2 512KB ones near VDP1 (One for VRAM, on for the frame buffers) as well as 4 chips for main RAM (4x512KB, 2 are 16-bit), etc. On the VA1 you can see these have been significantly reduced down. That would have saved quite a bit of money when you consider the cost of memory in the mid 90s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:06:21 2022 No.8718112 >>8717956 does that mean the va1 is less powerfull? or there is no changes

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 14:50:48 2022 No.8718231

>>8717446
I'm aware but the saturn was still an incredibly cost-inefficient design and unattractive for devs. even going up against sony's vertical integration they still would've had a chance if they'd made good hardware instead of bad hardware, and ESPECIALLY if they'd timed their consoles so they came out 1-2 years after sony (which if you'll notice is what nintendo and MS did).

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:05:25 2022 No.8718257

>>8715956
Nah, the dude who deepthroats the Saturn and makes a bunch of ridiculous head canon posts that are actually incorrect every Saturn thread is some autist weeb from Wales. He makes the exact same type of posts on multiple Sega fan forums, and has for years, and always tries to blame everything that went wrong with the company on SoA and Tom Kalinske. His posts are extremely easy to spot because he always talks about the exact same things every single time, and he will always circle back to "SoA bad"

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:05:39 2022 No.8718258

>>8718112
No, it has the same specs and power. They just consolidated things down to take up less space and use less components. This was a pretty quick revision to come out in the US at least. Honestly most Model 1 Saturn's in the US are most likely VA1s, VA2,s or VA3s.

VA2 and VA3 are the same board layout as the VA1 but with a few additional component changes to accommodate a new model CD-ROM drive that was most likely consolidated down to be cheaper as well. Early model 2's use VA4 and VA5 which are basically the same as VA2 and VA3, but in a model 2 case and have things like the SRAM reset button and access LED removed.

So it can be assumed the CD-ROM drive change and more plain case of the Model 2 is what helped get the price down to the $199 mark by March of 1996.

So basically the Saturn price and revision history in the first year and a half goes like this:
- Model 1 VA0 - Launch unit in Japan in November of 1994 and was launch unit in surprise 1995 US launch.($399)
- Model 1 VA1 - Seems to have come out in the late summer early fall of 1995. Price drops around September to $349 but still includes Virtua Fighter. In October of 1995 a $299 package comes out with no game.
- Model 1 VA2/3 - Seems to have come out near the end of 1995, early 1996. We see the price drop around this time to $249.
- Model 2 VA4/5 - Comes out in March of 1996 in Japan, Late April, early May of 1996 at $199.

So in about 1.5 years Sega was able to effectively cut the price in half by doing the following:
- Consolidating components down into 1 main board.
- Going with a cheaper and simpler Power Supply.
- Removing the pack-in title.
- Going with a cheaper and simpler CD-ROM drive.
- Removing unnecessary components (Access LED, SRAM Reset button, etc.) and going with a cheaper to produce case.

Going forward future cost reductions would come from further component consolidation and certain components just becoming cheaper to produce.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:07:04 2022 No.8718264 >>8717932 Holy shit are you an actual cüçk? Why would you post that unironically?

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:08:25 2022 No.8718265

>>8718257
It's not that everything is SoA's fault, it's that their misread of the market did the most damage in hindsight. The main issue with former SoA employees like Kalinske is that they try to blame everything on Sega of Japan and most of the stories they've told over the years don't add up when you factor in interviews from the time period as well as recent interviews with the Japanese side.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:09:54 2022 No.8718270

>>8718231
> ESPECIALLY if they'd timed their consoles so they came out 1-2 years after sony (which if you'll notice is what nintendo and MS did).
Nintendo didn't do that by choice. They wanted to release the N64 in 1995, but it was delayed because of issues with SGI producing the chipset.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:13:25 2022 No.8718278

>>8718265
Literally everything you post is you taking at best, extremely innocuous and vague, and at worst, straight up made up things you've convinced yourself are true and somehow spinning them. Your posts are laughable and you have been called out and mocked for them on multiple forums. Why do you persist in doing this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:15:37 2022 No.8718283 My 1994 grey model 1 still works flawlessly

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:20:38 2022 No.8718301 >>8718258 >So in about 1.5 years Sega was able to effectively cut the price in half the retail price maybe, but I bet they were eating roughly the same amount of cost on it all the way through.

Anonymous Tue Mar 15 15:26:04 2022 No.8718314

>>8718278
I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm just stating what others who have done the research have pointed out.

>>8718301
Look at the hardware revisions. There's very obvious cost reductions going on and it's a very gradual reduction with each new board revision.

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