Thief thread

[Anonymous No.8711664]

Is directx really necessary for thief 2? I saw that 1 doesn't need it,but 2 stops responding and i'm thinking it's because i don't have it.

[Anonymous No.8711685]

>Fan missions + games
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:64d8cc65e8e605446a076041da9c244c41bd1d27&dn=Thief%20collection

[Anonymous No.8711775]

Thief 2 required a GPU and NewDark runs on DX9.

[Anonymous No.8712309]

>>8711775
Any GPU?

[Anonymous No.8712495]

I wish we could get a Remaster of the Original Thief trilogy, but the 2014 Reboot's shittiness has probably axed any chances of that. At least the Dark Mod is around.

[Anonymous No.8712510]

>>8711685
Virus

[Anonymous No.8712552]

>>8712309
There's no software renderer and if you don't have a DX9 compliant card or integrated GPU in 2022 you have bigger problems than being able to play Thief.

>>8712495
God no, we don't need more remasters. NewDark already exists.

[Anonymous No.8714785]

what are some good mine-themed fan missions? I've played the Trickster's Gem Mine campaign and Unexpected Detour. Alcazar and Dancing with the Dead also have decent mine sections

[Anonymous No.8714881]

>>8712510
C'mon the Thief fan missions aren't THAT bad.

[Anonymous No.8715064]

>>8714785
The first mission in Gems of Provenance

[Anonymous No.8715113]

>>8715064
I was gunna suggest that one but honestly that mission is kinda shit.

[Anonymous No.8715185]

>>8715113
it's funny how there's an explosive charge hidden in a key location which, if used, allows you to skip more than half of the mission. I'm guessing it's there to help speedrunners

[Anonymous No.8715242]

Finally finished Deadly Shadows. It's been a few years since I did 1 and 2 but DS is decent. It's a real shame THI4F is so fucking horribly written and the artstyle... Still the gameplay somehow keeps me going, but I am still wondering if I just should ditch it

[Anonymous No.8715249]

>>8715242
At that point you're better off playing another franchise. I would either go with Filcher if you want no powers and T2 style heists (but no mantling) or one of the Dishonoreds if you want AAA stealth. That or try The Dark Mod but keep in mind that the AI awareness is considerably higher than Thief's in many ways and you will get spotted trying to do things that work in Thief on the higher difficulties.

[Anonymous No.8715995]

Beat CoSaS Mission X. It was pretty good overall and I love the post T2 world they created but it's a shame we never got more content. The new mechanics offered some interesting tradeoffs with your knockout coated dagger functioning as a blackjack, but you had to wash out the bloodstain afterwards and the new lockpicking was interesting without being tedious. My only real complaint is that the original OldDark version is a scripting nightmare where any saves made during the mission leads to broken scripts. The parallels to this and Dishonored are very obvious, down to the mask Corvo and Dante use and make me wonder what a more stealth oriented/powerless Dishonored would be like.

[Anonymous No.8716027]

>>8715995
Forgot to mention how at one point in the map you're expected to backtrack back to the lobby at the start to grab some keys and instead of doing that I just bashed open the doors that couldn't be picked or entered through a vent shaft/window which is a testament to its level design.

[Anonymous No.8716168]

>>8712552
Not really, I only play games from 2007 or earlier. Otherwise, use a console. All my other specs on my computer are great, except GPU

[Anonymous No.8716171]

>>8712495
Why do you feel we need a remaster?

[Anonymous No.8716287]

>>8711664
We're back tafferbros!!! I missed ya!

[Anonymous No.8717316]

>>8715185
Isn't the loot requirement a bitch to fulfill in that mission?

[Anonymous No.8717327]

>>8711664
Are you on Linux or something?

[Anonymous No.8717375]

>>8711664
Are those hud graphics part of a map mod itself or something separate?

[Anonymous No.8717604]

>>8717327
Windows 7.My laptop got damaged a few weeks ago and i had to change my hard drive,i wasn't going to pay too much for a hard drive,since most of them were more expensive than the laptop itself.I have multiple problems now,for some reason i get errors like "your connection is not private" on many sites,the windows cannot check for updates,and i can't install some programs such as antiviruses or directx.I'm going to get a new computer this summer but i have to keep using this piece of shit for now.I finished all but the last mission of Thief 2 so it doesn't really matter,at least i can play fan missions.

[Anonymous No.8717618]

>>8712552
>God no, we don't need more remasters. NewDark already exists.
This. I wish someone would go backwards and get a really good like-the-CD-release software renderer that can run on modern hardware instead. I remember the torch and water particle effects being really cool in the original version.

[Anonymous No.8717751]

Best soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0P9tePJXBg

makes me wonder what Brosius was thinking making this, it sounds so out worldly and somehow fitting

[Anonymous No.8718910]

>>8717375
It's almost always part of the mission.

[Anonymous No.8720217]

>>8715995
I have to play it ASAP. Friday here we go

[Anonymous No.8720780]

What I like about Thief is that they first act like the religions are just like ours in the sense of being either lies or myths but then the fucking devil himself stands before you and is about to end the world and possibly you.

[Anonymous No.8720878]

>>8720780
I feel like this trope has been done to death but no one executed it as well as Thief did.

[Anonymous No.8721003]

>>8720780
What I like about Thief a lot are its parallels to the other looking glass game, System Shock. Think about it.

Viktoria is all green and nature shit, SHODAN is while green, all about technology. They're the same, just on different sides of the coin. They're even voiced by the same woman.

In Thief, Garret walks the tightrope between the Nature Loving Pagans and the Mechanical Driven Mechanists. In that same vein, Soldier G65434-2 must walk a tightrope between the Biologically driven Many and the Cybernetically driven SHODAN.

God I love Thief.

[Anonymous No.8721138]

karrass

[Anonymous No.8722875]

Best non-cliche way to stick undead in your map?

[Anonymous No.8723717]

>>8722875
idk how but I think it would be cool to have a non garrett assassination mission where in the end, all the characters that were kiled by you come back as undead and you have to clean the mess. The mission could end with being killed by the undead

[Anonymous No.8723979]

Which FM creator had the best debut FM?

[Anonymous No.8724192]

>>8723979
Making a Profit was a very good debut FM, so was Shadow Play but I'm not sure if that one was actually the author's first mission.

[Anonymous No.8724249]

>>8724192
Shadow Play was a debut FM? I'm surprised but at the same time it kinda explains why it was so close to the original Thief games while other FMs kinda have TTLG fingerprints all over them.

[Anonymous No.8724309]

>>8724249
iirc he posted in these threads before coming to ttlg. thus, his approach tends to align more with the discussions here than they do with the established design philosophy on ttlg.

one of my favourite aspects of his missions is the environmental storytelling. his missions are rich in lore, but lack the huge donutsteel fanfic loredumps that ttlg has a preference for.

[Anonymous No.8724347]

>>8724309
I find myself having to avoid 90% of LGS-adjacent communities. When you have some spastic going on about how moss arrows break their immersion and need to either be removed from the game or trigger alerts and other banal "design analysis", I can't be bothered to sift through your shit for the occasional golden nugget. Especially when I can't just call them a nigger and tell them to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.8724357]

Can someone give me a full breakdown on how /vr/'s preferences differ from TTLG?

[Anonymous No.8724364]

>>8724357
TTLG is not one person and it changes all the time but this excerpt from an interview of Melan pretty much sums up what (used) to be TTLG's preferences.
>What inspired you to take up mapping, did you dabble in any other game design before Thief? Other than Thief, are there any games that you cite as examples of excellent game-play design and influences for your designs?

>It is all rather simple: my inspiration came specifically from some of my favourite Thief maps, Trial by Night, Lord Edmund Entertains, Walking the Edge and Calendra’s Cistern. I started editing because there were not many new missions in that style anymore in 2007. People then tended to prefer plot-based to exploration-based game-play, mansions to cities, a more Victorian to a Gothic-meets-technology look, the affairs of nobles to crime and sinister conspiracies and so on.

This extends to Shadow Play getting mediocre reviews when it first released because people were butthurt it didn't have enough readables scattered throughout the mission, instead focusing on atmosphere and exploration to tell a story.

[Anonymous No.8724386]

>>8724364
the 2018 contest results in general do a great job at summing up the absolute state of ttlg

[Anonymous No.8724491]

What popular author has the worst readables and why was it Lady Rowena?

[Anonymous No.8724507]

>>8724491
gaetane comes to mind, especially his L'Arsene series. almost every readable is a 5+ page loredump

[Anonymous No.8724609]

>>8712495
>>8712552
Nightdive were asking Square Enix / Eidos about it a couple years ago, kind of a complete the Looking Glass Studios collection thing. Eidos was allegedly already exploring their options for something new out of the Thief brand and don't want any competition.

[Anonymous No.8724612]

>>8724357
It's kinda subjective and I'm not really an expert on the subject so I might get some stuff wrong. It just comes down to the fact TTLG has a certain style that is similar but different than the base games. You can tell they have a framed idea of what the game should be like and what the most important aspects are which everyone follows. The Darkmod has the same pattern.

Most of the location feels like a pathway to another location but not like a real place, and not even in the surreal "impossible layout" way a level like Lord Baffords mansion or Cragscleft does. Every readable has some dirty secret or corruption lore going on I don't care about. Having a loredump worked for Karrass because the notes you read were part of a bigger emerging story with well animated and voice acted cut scenes. You were being drip-fed facts about a guy that was already established to you. When it's just a hint on how to progress or find a secret for a 1-off mission I find it distasteful because I've already seen this shit copy pasted 100x before and it rips me out of the game. I don't remember any readables in Shadow Play but I distinctly remember the head boss having a hammer's head in a chest in his secret area which was way more impactful. Also just thematically a lot of TTLG missions I played didn't really capture the D&D/high fantasy vibes Thief had but Shadow Play did somehow.

I'm not saying TTLG's style is bad or anything either. It's just getting repetitive and the flaws become more apparent everytime I play one.

[Anonymous No.8724646]

>>8724609
I really don't like Night Dive, everyone involved there should be tarred and feathered for basically signing away the future of a cyberpunk IP to a Chinese corporation. I also am not looking forward to lazy KEX ports for games where we already have extensive scripting functionality with Squirrel and Stim/Response.

[Anonymous No.8724650]

>>8724646
>basically signing away the future of a cyberpunk IP to a Chinese corporation
System Shock 3 is shitcanned.

[Anonymous No.8724662]

>>8724650
And Tencent now owns the rights to SS3 and SS4.

[Anonymous No.8724673]

>>8724662
>and SS4
wat?

[Anonymous No.8724683]

>>8724673
>VGC reports that the SystemShock3.com and SystemShock4.com domains are now owned by Tencent, which appears to be backed up by their profile on DomainTools.
Too lazy to find a better source.
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/tencent-appears-to-be-the-new-owner-of-system-shock-3-and-4-websites/

[Anonymous No.8725302]

>>8724683
Owning a domain does not mean you have the rights to the game. The most it means is they're grabbing it before squatters do or they're squatting on it themselves if nightdive falls through on further games.

[Anonymous No.8726920]

[Anonymous No.8727845]

>>8726920
bear pits huh

[Anonymous No.8728683]

>>8724612
TTLG trends are pretty noticeable yeah
Like all the Thieves Highway intricate rooftop missons like Endless Rain or Feast of Pilgrims (obviously the latter is more recent), or having fuckhuge missions where you keep getting new objectives everytime you finish what was supposed to be the "final" objective
One guy on here about a year or so ago was complaining about missions that have you sneaking through a regular mansion/castle before eitherh having to go through it again with supernatural threats or stumble upon a cordoned off "horror" section of the location
TTLG trends aren't really bad, but they do become tiresome, which is why lately I've really been looking for unique missions, Into the Odd spoiled me I think

[Anonymous No.8729795]

Is it just me or is there nothing like Tfix lite for Dues Ex?

[Anonymous No.8729969]

>>8729795
doesn't deux ex run well on modern computers anyway?

[Anonymous No.8730282]

never change, downwinder...

[Anonymous No.8730343]

>>8729795
Kentie's DX10 Renderer would be somewhat equivalent, but there's no engine updates for Deus Ex so there's no true NewDark equivalent.

[Anonymous No.8732248]

>>8726920
>Taffers

[Anonymous No.8732841]

Ok anons i finished the games,can you please recommend me a lot of fan missions?

[Anonymous No.8733006]

>>8732841
Any particular OM/theme/situation you are really fond of?

[Anonymous No.8733770]

>>8730282
I hate that retard so much, shitting every threads.

[Anonymous No.8734065]

>>8730282
I love that retard so much, shitting up every thread

[Anonymous No.8734205]

>>8730282
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.8734536]

>>8733770
>>8734205
*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.8736041]

[Anonymous No.8738000]

>>8732841
Hidden Agenda

[Anonymous No.8738009]

>>8711685
Woah thanks anon

[Anonymous No.8738010]

>>8732841
Heist Society

[Anonymous No.8739329]

>>8738000
>>8738010
Why are these so underappreciated?

[Anonymous No.8739634]

Newdark ports thief to the source engine, right? Does it have any drawbacks? I played through thief gold already, but the cutscene audio didn't work. no big, I watched them on youtube. But I was watching a playthrough and realized the in-level plot audio also didn't work, so I missed a lot (like the guy dying in cragscleft).

Also, how did I miss this training level? Is it because I only played on expert?

[Anonymous No.8739653]

>>8739634
Did you play without using tfix or tifix lite?

[Anonymous No.8739660]

>>8739634
No, it's just an engine update by anonymous frenchmen that raise lots of engine limits, adds an extensive scripting system for fan missions, improves mantling, as well as better widescreen support. Basically there are source code leaks out there for Thief 2 and SS2 but none of them are complete so that you can compile them, but the frenchies found a way so it's not a vague approximation like the Blood re-releases.
You can play the training mode even on expert and if cutecene audio isn't working AND you installed Tfix Lite, something is wrong with your install.

[Anonymous No.8739685]

stands he then in the green and festered maw and speeds he out his judgements upon the weeps and writhing manfools

[Anonymous No.8739695]

>>8739685
For some reason I always remember a quote about some pagan girl wishing for a warm summer but I can't remember from which game it was.

[Anonymous No.8739749]

>>8739685
bes you one them sneedsies?

[Anonymous No.8739842]

>>8739653
>>8739660
I think I Tfix'd, it's been a long time. Does newdark replace Tfix?

Also, side note: I'm fucking around real hard with OpenglES on android, basically writing small renderers. What would I have to do to port Thief? Big project, but I got time.

[Anonymous No.8739851]

>>8739842
Tfix is NewDark + the author's undocumented changes for better or worse. I won't go into the details because I'm taking a shit while posting this but just use Tfix Lite. I don't know enough about renderers to answer your question but NewDark uses DX9.

[Anonymous No.8739858]

DIE AND POST AND DIE AND POST

[Anonymous No.8740753]

How do you replace the Knockout Hammer in T2X with a blackjack? Knocking out people with a hammer is just ridiculously edgy and i dont like it. Someone mentioned in a previous thread that you can replace it with the blackjack texture. So... how do you do it?

[Anonymous No.8740772]

>>8740753
Also i just noticed, T2X seems to take your keys away if you use them on doors. Thats just stupid, you cant lock annoying guards in rooms anymore

[Anonymous No.8741392]

>>8740753
I didn't like any of the custom assets in T2X, they look ugly as hell and the custom meshes are poorly rigged.

[Anonymous No.8742494]

Today is Thief 2's 22nd birthday.

[Anonymous No.8742553]

>>8741392
I keked to this after noticing the window and door textures.
How can you have such a poor sense of visual coherence?

[Anonymous No.8743345]

>>8730343
I meant more like a convenient merging of all the patches.

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Deus_Ex#Essential_improvements

That lists a bunch of stuff but there's no up-to-date one-stop patcher, like tfix lite.

[Anonymous No.8743972]

>>8739749
formerly constantine's

[Anonymous No.8743982]

>>8742494
Happy birthday to one of my favorite games

[Anonymous No.8744021]

>>8743345
Tfix lite isn't really a one-stop patcher though, it's pretty much just NewDark with some .dml files. I get what you mean but the average normalfag just plays revision and people as autistic as me are already expected to handle all the individual patches/renderers.

[Calisthenics General - CG No.8744868]

>>8742494
Happy birthday, Thief 2! I wish you the best!

[Anonymous No.8744871]

BRAAAP

[Anonymous No.8744901]

>>8721003
That's just the lead writer, whatever his face is, haven't you noticed that he likes mirrors and shit?

[Anonymous No.8744949]

>>8744871
mwah

[Anonymous No.8745420]

>>8744871
>no burricks in T2
It's not fair bros ;_;

[Anonymous No.8745429]

>>8744871
Who came first, burricks of guars?

[Anonymous No.8745436]

>>8745429
Thief came out in 1998, I never played TES Redguard because it looks shitty but there are some elements that would later show up in Morrowind but even if it has them, the game came out a month before TDP.