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Ruins the original game experience

>> No.8679000

The original didn’t cease to exist when this released.

>> No.8679136

>>8678954
>play oot
>have fun
>want more of it
>master quest exists
>play more oot
>have fun
>want even more of it
>play majora
>have fun

thank you mq

>> No.8679138

Not even trying anymore

>> No.8679152

>>8679138
they never were which is honestly worse

>> No.8679158

It's pretty explicitly a gimmick for people who played the game already.

>> No.8679162

it's not like it replaces the original game on your cart or rom

>> No.8679171

Are people actually so stupid they think this is a later revision of the game instead of an extra challenge mode?

>> No.8679228

>>8678954
>no enemy hp x3
>no enemy damage x3
>no 9999 sized wallet
>enemies still dropping hearts
why

>> No.8679234

It doesn't change enough

>> No.8679316

>>8679171
It's the 2nd quest like Zelda 1.

>> No.8679581

master quest is literally the best version of OoT

brainlets need not apply

>> No.8679609

>>8678954
>blue logo
I'll allow it.

>> No.8680484

>>8678954
>YOU'RE HAVING FUN WRONG
take your low effort baiting back to /v/ please

>> No.8680491

>>8679581
>brainlets
master quest's puzzles aren't harder than oot's

>> No.8680597

you think this ruins oot you should see the shit speedrunners and the like are doing to the game. like zootr

>> No.8681001

>>8680491
it has a few head scratchers, actually
and you face tougher enemies sooner

>> No.8681410

>>8678954
Playing through this now, it’s a good time. I haven’t played the original in about 15 years so I can’t remember what’s different, but the dungeons feel fresh and new and I’m enjoying it

>> No.8681476

>>8680491
They are in terms of layout and enemy placement is much harder. Navigation also is more complex in MQ. You need to time travel in the Spirit Temple five times to beat it.

That said, OoT's base dungeons are all better than MQ's. Not that Master Quest is bad.

>> No.8681615

>>8680597
I was always okay with the wrong-warp to the Ganon fight, because it was cool and funny watching Child Link fight him, but since then the advance of stale reference manipulation has ruined it for me. That shit's kinda cool to think about and a miracle in some ways that people can actually do it but holy hell it's dry and really boring to watch.

>> No.8681880

>>8680491
>>8681476
the mq dungeons are better since they actually make you use practically everything in your inventory...except ice arrows, because they're still optional and they can't really change game progression and logic like that

every temple in oot is a joke compared to the mq version

>> No.8681916

totally unrelated but people in this thread would probably know the answer:

CAN you get garo's mask and romani mask in the same cycle or does winning the horse race fuck with the cremia story on the second night?

i failed the race like five times in a row and now im questioning if this is even worth it after doing the alien target practice

>> No.8681943

>>8681410
It's literally just dungeons that are different.

>> No.8681947

>>8680597
I'll never understand why people on this board get so upset about speedrunning, which hurts absolutely nothing and is typically done by people who already played the game regularly and loved it.

>> No.8681958

>>8681947
Because 4chan is full of sheep that get off on hating everything they can. Also they link it to trans stuff in their mind and for some reason people here are obsessed with trans stuff.
Throw in the hipsters and the boomers mad about people playing the games 'wrong' as well and the fact that speedrunning is a semi-popular online hobby.

>> No.8681968

>>8681958
speedrunning a game like zelda is degenerate

>> No.8681974

>>8681968
I don't even get how you're trying to use degenerate here, that's how stupid the point you're trying to make is.
You know that different categories for speedruns exist just to avoid having to do autistic shit like the RNG manipulation things you guys are bitching about, right? And that pretty much every semi-popular speedrun has differing categories for this reason.

You're bitching about something that speedrunners already solved two decades ago.

>> No.8681985

>>8678954
Ah well you'll get over it

>> No.8681996 [DELETED] 

Speedrunning troons should 51%.

I wish they would do that because they literally won't stop virtue signalling their fetishism in the name of actual women for the sakes of being 'hecking cyoot and vawwid'.

>> No.8682001

>>8681968
What's degenerate is constantly getting upset about how people choose to challenge themselves in a single player game. Meanwhile they don't give a single shit about you lol.

>> No.8682012 [DELETED] 

>>8681996
Great opinion. Clearly you care more about what other people do than actually playing video games. Why do you even bother posting?

>> No.8682028

>>8682001
and i don't give a single shit about you
>>8681974
speedrunning something like ocarina of time is retarded because it uses 20 years worth of glitches to exploit a game that was never meant to be speedran? is that a term?

speedrunning super mario bros is admirable and was always intended as there were arcade versions and competition cartridges released. making your entire twitch channel based on speedrunning zelda for N64 is pathetic and people who do such things deserve to hear from their haters

>> No.8682040

>>8682028
Imagine caring that much. People speedrun games that aren't meant to be speedrun all the time. It's just people challenging themselves to beat a game they like in a faster time. Not to mention all the information it digs out of the game when people discover glitches and bugs to abuse. Shit is honestly interesting if you're not a stuck up purist, and speedrun img a game that's not designed for speedrunning is actually even more interesting imo (unless it's a jrpg because those games are completely boring to watch).

>> No.8682070

>>8682040
>same old 10 minutes of story set up
>clip through some barriers
>go from gohma to the end credits
WOW FUCKING AMAZING TO WATCH WHAT A FANTASTIC SHOW

>> No.8682089

>>8682070
Whether or not YOU find it interesting is no concern to me, but I can't fathom being so upset by it that you have to bring it up unprompted every single day.

>> No.8682091

>>8682028
>because it uses 20 years worth of glitches to exploit a game
I literally addressed that in my post, you fucking tard.

>> No.8682092 [DELETED] 

>>8682012
Because troons ruined speedrunning and have put me off a lot of shit.

>> No.8682093

>>8682070
>smb1 speedrun
>same old 10 minutes of levels
>jump in a warp pipe
>run under bowser for the nth time

The amount of mental hoops you jump through to justify one game's speedrun while dismissing another's is startling.

>> No.8682096

>>8682028
>>8682070
There are different categories of speedrun for the exact reason you're bitching about. That anon was right when he said you're whining about an issue that speedrunners always solved 2 decades ago.

>> No.8682102 [DELETED] 

>>8682092
Trannies play video games. Better drop the hobby now while you can.

>> No.8682107 [DELETED] 

>>8682092
Not every speedrunner is a "troon" and you don't have to watch them play.

>> No.8682109

>>8682093
no you see the difference is that we have TAS runs of SMB we know exactly how fast the game can be completed down to the frame. so a human playing it is essentially going up against a frame perfect run and testing his reflexes.

you can argue that's what OOT speedrunners are doing as well but it's hardly even playing the same game. SMB is pure, they are literally playing the game as it was designed in the most efficient way that is humanly possible. OOT speedrunners are playing an entirely different game and just trying to exploit the glitches faster.

>> No.8682114

>>8682109
>OOT speedrunners are playing an entirely different game and just trying to exploit the glitches faster.
And this is a problem because....?

>> No.8682119

>>8682109
Glitchless category exists btw

>> No.8682120 [DELETED] 

>>8681996
quit watching agdq lol

>> No.8682125

>>8682109
So, in one game, speedrunners are trying to run as fast as a TAS run, but in the other game, speedrunners are trying to run as fast as a TAS run. Now I truly see the distinction.

You do realise that speedrunners for SMB1 are also using glitches, right? That puts them in the exact same category as OoT which you despise so much for a completely arbitrary non-qualitative reason.

>> No.8682126

>>8682109
Why do you keep ignoring that different categories of speedrunning OOT exist? Is it because you know you have no arguments.

>> No.8682129

>>8682109
Did you know that the reason the sprite runs backwards in the TAS run of SMB is because it's using a frame perfect glitch that is impossible to do for a human?
Totally seems fair.

>> No.8682138 [DELETED] 

>>8682120
I don't even watch anything like this anymore. Haven't for a few years now.

It's just constantly rammed in my face due to the things around me online forcing me to take in what's going on and what's popular in reddit tier circles.

Wish I could get off discord but convincing people not to use it in favour of something that does the same thing is like expecting normal people to know what a MIL-CD is lol

>> No.8682145

>>8682129
>glitch that is impossible to do for a human?
source?

>> No.8682152 [DELETED] 

>>8682138
>>8681996
If you're triggered by trannies existing at all you honestly shouldn't be posting on here since this 4chan brings it up WAY WAY more often than the rest of the internet combined.
Like this isn't even a meme. Get off this site if you don't want to hear anything about them. It's nowhere near as common as places like this would have you think.
>>8682145
I'm sure you can watch a vid that explains it.

>> No.8682164

basically what i'm saying is:

speedrunning a game is based

speedrunning metagame is gay and degenerate

>> No.8682165 [DELETED] 

>>8682152
>If you're triggered by trannies existing at all you honestly shouldn't be posting on here since this 4chan brings it up WAY WAY more often than the rest of the internet combined.
What's ironic is that HE'S the one who brought up trannies unprompted.

>> No.8682175

>>8682164
So your complaint is with metagaming, and not speedrunning, then.

>> No.8682180

Can someone give the downlow on this game and how it compares to the original?

>> No.8682184

>>8682180
The only difference besides a few cosmetic stuff to fit the gamecube control over the n64 (like the A button being a different color) are the dungeons which are remixed in a romhack-like way to be harder. It's not SUPER harder but you do have to think a bit more and you get some funny stuff like Jabu having cows sticking out of his body everywhere that act as switches that were clearly the devs fucking around.

Basically it's just normal OOT with different slightly tougher dungeons.

>> No.8682189

>>8682184
>Basically it's just normal OOT with different slightly tougher dungeons.
So, completely better, then? Also, thanks.

>> No.8682197

>>8682189
Yeah, it's a nice experience if you've already played normal OOT to death. Personally I wish it was even harder and did stuff with the overworld but alas.

>> No.8682201 [DELETED] 

>>8682152
I suffered trauma because of troons grooming me, and their existence and prominence within anything to do with the things I just so happen to be interested in just makes me want to stab them all to fucking death.

Every last fucking one that keeps coming out, of course with the usual anime profile picture accompanied with it. I'm genuinely fucking scared for the future, all the retarded faggot kids of today eventually being upstreamed into these shitty cult via their Nintendo Switches and videos they are recommended on YouTube about modding their consoles perhaps or some sort of comments that they see, for instance, and then once they hit 12-13 and find out and start using Discord, seeing all the trans flags and misogynistic flamboyancy and UwU shit, and then developing fucked up curiosity and told they are a "cute and valid trans girl" because they supposedly made up memories in their head that are hypothetical about why they were socially rejected all the way through their childhood, seeing it as "gender mismatch signs", eventually they either keep going with the trans culture, deluding themselves to the point that they develop autogynephilia, rebel against their parents' and others' wishes... or they grow a brain and regret it, which is much rarer. Ever noticed that most trans people are speedrunners, communists, fascists, just plain weirdos? They're NEVER generally functioning people, they're synonymous with pedophilia and pedo-adjacent interests and fetishes.

I'm fucking had enough.

>> No.8682204

>>8678954
3ds version was better for mirroring the world and hitting you with double damage

>> No.8682218 [DELETED] 

>>8682201
>synonymous with pedophilia and pedo-adjacent interests and fetishes.
Sounds like the anons on this board have a lot in common with trans people

>> No.8682245

>>8682175
not completely. in shooters or RPGs the meta can become more interesting than the main gameplay (see: rocket jumping and min/maxing stats). my complaint is that bombjumping through walls in zelda is a waste of your fucking time and nobody should dedicate their time to getting good at such a thing

>> No.8682249

>>8682245
Rocket Jumping and bomb jumping through walls are literally the same thing. Using explosions to skip areas and get you places they shouldn't be.
Just admit that you're an inconsistent crybaby already.

>> No.8682256

>>8682245
You don't seem to understand that your stated criteria for why things are bad also apply to things that you think are good.

>> No.8682258

>>8682249
a rocket jump in a quake match and and bomb jumping in zelda are completely different things and you know it, nerd

>> No.8682262

>>8682258
>multiplayer
We're talking about single player speedrunning, you fucking liar. Fuck off already.

>> No.8682309
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8682309

OOT runners are scum

>> No.8682332
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8682332

>>8679228
Use this, you can do all of that and much more:
https://github.com/Admentus64/Patcher64Plus-Tool/releases

>> No.8682489
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8682489

>He plays Zelda games for challenge.

>> No.8682493

>>8682332
good shit. also liked the remixed majoras mask dungeons

>> No.8682562

>>8682489
the 2d games sans minish cap are hard and fun
peak zelda is dungeon crawling and solving puzzles

>> No.8682567

I thought shit was gonna be REAL when the puzzle in the deku tree had you utilizing roll iframes to get under the spike barge for a puzzle, was disappointed that thar didnt come up again

>> No.8682574

>>8681916
>CAN you get garo's mask and romani mask in the same cycle or does winning the horse race fuck with the cremia story on the second night?
You can get both. There's very few ways to lock yourself out of a quest in a cycle. Oboy example I can really think of is killing sakon or just failing an objective like giving the letter to the hand in the toilet.

>> No.8682769

>>8682562
>the 2d games sans minish cap are hard and fun
What? No, not at all. Minish Cap isn't even that much easier than the likes of LOTP or the various GB and GBC games.
nostalgia has fucked your brain real hard

>> No.8683267 [DELETED] 

>>8682092
Oh no time to sell all your games and material possessions as troons probably own things you own too. Best stop watching TV and films too as they watch them as well. How dare they

>> No.8683287

>>8679136
> having fun
> with shit
lol nice fetish you have there

>> No.8683292 [DELETED] 

>>8682201
Ah so you are butthurt because your butt got hurt

>> No.8683318

>>8681880
Nah, item use along isn't enough to push MQ over. MQ also has worse designed puzzles that break dungeon cohesion. OoT is easier (obviously since it isn't a MASTER quest), but the Temples are better put-together and puzzles build off each other more naturally. Plus, MQ makes sequence breaking a bit harder in the second half.

>> No.8683321 [DELETED] 

>>8682092
Poor baby can't play video games fast anymore because people he'll never need to interact with also like the hobby :(

>> No.8683325

>>8682562
The only difficult 2D Zelda games are LoZ, AoL, and OoA.

>> No.8683683

>>8681880
Having more song of time puzzles automatically makes it a worse version of the game.

>> No.8683687

>>8681947
Because people who do it are autistic trannies. We dont want to encourage that.

>> No.8683709 [DELETED] 

>>8682040
We dont care at all, stop projecting. The only reason youre being called out is because youre insisting on a subject about which /vr/ already has a settled stance: speedrunning is for autistic trannies.

Not to mention your argumentation is dishonest. Most "famous" speedrunners dont know anything about the game, its code, the reasoning behind the glitches, or any technical details. They all sit on their asses waiting for the optimal routes to be discovered so they can grind it autistically for 1000000 hours while they dilate.

Now get the fuck out.

>> No.8684117

>>8678954
garbage

>> No.8684149

>>8683325
The original Zelda and ages aren't hard.
AoL is just poorly made.

>> No.8684158

>>8683687
Being on this board is autistic enough as is

>> No.8684160
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8684160

>>8683709
>no you have to agree with ME or else you don't belong!
>get out of my safe space!!!

>> No.8684165

>>8683709
>We dont care at all
>Anons keep seething about speedrunners before anyone ever brings it up every single day
Real fucking convincing. I'm discarding the rest of your post for that sentence alone.

>> No.8684240

>>8678954
Better than the 3DS version that forced you to take extra damage to play the remixed dungeons.

An excellent version to play a year or two after you first play OoT.

>> No.8684284

>>8684240
Extra damage is only a problem if you suck at one of the easiest Zeldas. I welcomed the 2x damage, I always tick that setting in randomizer because vanilla OOT, while I love it to death, is way too easy

>> No.8684290

>>8683709
>le tranny boogie man

>> No.8684297

>>8684149
>AoL is just poorly made.
Bitchboy.

>> No.8684302

>>8684240
The double damage in Master Quest 3D makes the game so much better.

>> No.8684462

>>8684297
One day you'll learn that harder / tedium =/= quality or fun. I have faith you'll be a better person.

>> No.8684784 [DELETED] 

>>8682218
Thats why they obsess over them

>> No.8684875

>>8684149
i'd say tloz 1 is hard
ooa is just tedious...the midgame at least

>> No.8686116

>>8684158
but not tranny

>> No.8686289

>>8678954
>tfw had and still own the WW edition that gave you OoT and MQ on a seperate disc with it for no extra cost from when I was a kid
I miss when Nintendo cared more about their games/playerbase than money

>> No.8686932

>>8682197
Wait for OoT DD.