I feel this deserves its own thread. Why is Snes9x considered superior to Zsnes? Ive tried the former for more than two weeks, and noticed no difference except for the GUI.

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Anonymous Wed Jul 3 03:57:44 2013 No.866202 [Reply] [Original]

I feel this deserves its own thread. Why is Snes9x considered superior to Zsnes? Ive tried the former for more than two weeks, and noticed no difference except for the GUI.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:00:14 2013 No.866206 Well, yeah, it's the gooey. Zsnes just looks like shit, why would you expose yourself to that? Supposedly there are also numerous issues with sound accuracy on Zsnes.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:02:43 2013 No.866210

>>866202
Just try to play something like ActRaiser 2 on Zsnes.

The long answer is that Zsnes is outdated and hack-based. It's pretty much aimed at the most popular games, but less popular ones won't run with it, and many others have flat out wrong emulation. Snes9x is more updated, more accurate, and more compatible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:04:13 2013 No.866218 ZSNES hasn't been updated since 2007. Shouldn't that be enough of a reason to not use it, especially since other emulators are being actively developed and are also much more accurate? Using ZSNES in 2013 is akin to using NESticle in 2007.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:04:43 2013 No.866216 Eventually you'll come across a game that's incompatible with Zsnes. I guess, statistically, Snes9x has fewer fuckups of this nature. tl;dr, if it's never bothered you, it really doesn't matter.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:07:43 2013 No.866221

These threads quickly dissolve into trolling, so to just get the answer out as quick as possible:

There are a lot of differences between emulators. The one that a lot of people care about is accuracy. the more accurate an emulator is, the closer it is to playing a game the same way a physical snes (or any console for that matter) would play a game. This is important for some people because it allows you to play games at the proper speed, with correct sound, and it allows the game to be played as if you were playing on an actual console.

Some people don't care about accuracy, and are fine with sound not being accurate, or minor differences between physical hardware and an actual console (or in some extreme cases, games not playing on an emulator at all because it's designed to play the most well known games and is poorly designed to run games as a console would).

Personally, I prefer to play games on my actual consoles, but some games are too expensive/elusive to own right now, and emulators help fill in the gaps in my collection when I want to play a specific game; that being said, I would prefer the game play as closely to actual hardware as possible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:13:13 2013 No.866227 I have a PC that was high end in 08 and it struggles to run bsnes on accuracy profile. Is 100% accurate emulation really that hardware intensive or am I doing something wrong?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:14:43 2013 No.866231 >>866206 I dunno, the picture looks clearer to me on zsnes, and sound accuracy doesnt seem like something id look to much into, but when i fast forward certain parts (like those super bomberman intros) the music does go off-sync

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:15:14 2013 No.866234 >>866227 100% is very CPU intensive. Honestly, for most games, you only need balanced, and I personally would recommend Retroarch with the bsnes core, as it runs way better and is accurate enough to play almost every game without being a resource hog.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:32:13 2013 No.866258 Good luck finishing Super Mario RPG.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:32:43 2013 No.866253 Dood luck finishing Super Mario RPG.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:34:43 2013 No.866261 >>866258 >>866253 >Dood luck... You can't hide your mistakes from me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:36:13 2013 No.866270 File: 89 KB, 311x311, 23716643.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>866261

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:38:14 2013 No.866278 File: 71 KB, 397x423, mako - yes perfect.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>866270

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:39:43 2013 No.866280 >>866218 What about running NESticle in DOSbox in 2013?

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 04:40:14 2013 No.866286

>>866216
>>866258
OP here, this is that "one". Save/Load state helped with everything except at the end, where it got stuck after i defeated Smithy. Had to fight him all over again...not that that was a bad thing, i could beat this game with just half a controller.

It's just always been ZSNES for me since '97, and snes9x was just running too slowly for some reason, so i never tried it again until two weeks ago.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 05:38:45 2013 No.866420

>>866202

1. Depends on the games you play. If you stick to the top 10 most popular, you probably won't notice too big a difference.
2. Many of the differences require you to have played it on an original snes to notice
3. The sound quality is significantly lower.
4. Please check:
http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/ZSNES

>>	sage sage Wed Jul 3 05:39:45 2013 No.866423 >>866202 >>866206 Use RetroArch bsnes-balanced. This is 2013. Zsnes should be phased out by now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 06:39:15 2013 No.866491 >>866227 I have a PC that was high-end in 2008 as well, and it runs bsnes without problems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 06:39:17 2013 No.866496 >>866286 So, in the end you just don't want things to change.

>>	script writer kibe Wed Jul 3 06:45:47 2013 No.866510 >>866286 >snes9x was just running too slowly for some reason What game(s) were you trying to run? Because I've got Snes9x on my piece of shit Vista laptop and it runs perfectly

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 07:29:45 2013 No.866584 >>866210 >and hack-based It is funny because snes9x has far more built-in hacks that make specific games work than ZSNES.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 07:43:15 2013 No.866598 I like that zsnes shows screenshots of savestates. More emulators should do that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 07:49:45 2013 No.866606 better sound, that's it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 07:50:45 2013 No.866610 >>866584 That's funny considering hackers center their creations around ZSNES, which in turn made other emu devs hate them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:03:45 2013 No.866634 >>866510 Yoshi's island...a bunch of other games i dont remember, on my '95...and this was way back when Windows 95 was still the standard office computer

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:05:45 2013 No.866637 >>866634 Is your ROM image good?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:20:16 2013 No.866656 snes9x has much better ui zsnes142 runs more games correctly some people are happy with either or

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:24:46 2013 No.866659

I don't know either, from my experience Snes9x has been nothing but buggy and laggy, sometimes even crash prone.

my bet is that people who prefer Snes9x are a bunch of babies who couldn't figure out the gui, also judging by immature tactics of spamming Znes sux lol everywhere.

>>	script writer kibe Wed Jul 3 08:30:15 2013 No.866663 >>866659 The only reason I switched over to Snes9x because that was the only way I could get Starfox 1 & 2, Stunt Race FX, and Clayfighter 1 & 2 to run properly. Every single time I ran them on Zsnes, they either glitched out or froze up

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:30:45 2013 No.866661 >>866659 And we who are using higan/ retroarch are laughing at both of you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:35:15 2013 No.866671 >>866659 0/10

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:35:15 2013 No.866672

>>866202
Snes9x has far better sound and better video output for starters. Those two alone make it worth using.

>>866218
>Shouldn't that be enough of a reason to not use it
Shouldn't it? No it should not. If it were a perfect emulator or even near perfect would then it not be useable because it hasn't been updated since 2007? Even if it were better than every other emulator?
So, no that is not enough of a reason not to use it. Never use that argument ever again, with anyone.

>, especially since other emulators are being actively developed and are also much more accurate?
That isn't an especially, that IS the reason to not use it, period. Better emulators exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:36:15 2013 No.866673 >>866663 That's because ZSNES is unable to run them because it doesn't emulate the hardware

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:37:15 2013 No.866674 >also judging by immature tactics of spamming Znes sux lol everywhere. I know right, see >>866659 for the most immature shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:39:45 2013 No.866676 >>866674 >>866671 >>866661 buttdevastated babies detected

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:48:46 2013 No.866681 >>866676 I don't even use Snes9x.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:51:45 2013 No.866683 Retroarch looks amazing. Does it work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 08:52:15 2013 No.866685 >>866681 He's just angry that his only argument is an ad hom instead any facts. Retards gonna retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 09:07:15 2013 No.866704 >>866683 I use it on my Wii and it's absolutely amazing. It's very function over eye candy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 09:14:45 2013 No.866713 >>866683 It's damn good. I'm a huge fan of centralization, and Retroarch really tickles my fancy. Everything has worked fine apart from the first DOSBOX implementation, but that's something for the future anyway. Looking forward to the Mupen64Plus port.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 09:46:15 2013 No.866746 What ROMs doesn't wok properly with ZSNES?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 09:49:46 2013 No.866758 >>866746 Any rom with sound or graphics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 09:51:15 2013 No.866762 >>866758 Oh, Ok. Serious answers?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 09:52:15 2013 No.866763 trollline.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 09:57:45 2013 No.866774 >>866746 Don't you mean what roms work properly with Snes9x? Because ZSNES is pretty much based around that now thanks to lazy hackers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 10:07:16 2013 No.866789 kirby dreamland 3 doesn't work on znes

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 10:08:16 2013 No.866791

>>866746
Right off the top of my head, Battle Robot Retsuden has some really annoying graphical glitches during battle, G.O.D has crackly music, Maka Maka has severe text errors (most of the lines get cut in half horizontally, because they're not spaced properly), Princess Minerva crashes on startup, and there are several others I've tried that don't work very well, but I can't think of them, at the moment.

...aside from all that, the user interface on ZSNES really is horrible. I don't see how anyone can put up with that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 10:17:15 2013 No.866815 >>866791 On top of that, the voices in Star Ocean sound really bad in ZSNES, but they're okay in 9x.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 12:34:11 2013 No.867061 >>866202 ZSNES is irrelevant these days because it is x86 only and most mobile devices use ARM. SNES9x is the future because it scales well on mobile devices

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 12:45:11 2013 No.867091 ZSNES is complete shit when it comes to multiple monitors Can't even move the window outside the primary one

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 12:45:41 2013 No.867092 I actually still use ZSNES. With frameskip, it goes faster than any other emulator for me. It makes replaying RPGs a lot more tolerable.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 13:12:12 2013 No.867158

>Best 2 player netplay (I use SNES9k when it's more than 2 people)
>Best frameskip
>Starfox runs twice as fast
>After customizing it, I like the UI.
>Many SMW hacks only work properly on it or bZSNES
>I've not had a reason to change to one of the better emulators

And that's why I still use ZSNES. I imagine most of those reasons would be worthless to you guys though. Really, just use whatever works for you between SNES9x, or RetroArch bsnes'd.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 13:15:12 2013 No.867167 ZSNES blows, but the UI brings me joy and nostalgia.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 13:25:12 2013 No.867187

Snes9x has better compatibility and accuracy. There are very few games I played that doesn't work in Snes9x that I had to run on bsnes, which I also use for some games I really like.

bsnes is great if you don't mind how demanding it is. There really is no reason to hate it, but there are a lot of dumb kids on /v/ who does. Don't know about here.

In short, there's nothing ZSnes does that Snes9x can't do. And Snes9x do those things much better. Also, ZSnes interface can be hideous and clumsy for some people.

>>867092
Nearly every emulator has "fast-forward", which is just rendering the game without a frame limit. Frame skipping is something entirely different.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:19:42 2013 No.867290 >>867061 >playing emulators on phones I can't stand the touch controls most of them have, to be honest, and I don't know where to get one of those controllers made for shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:27:42 2013 No.867306 >>867187 I'm probably tripping up on my terms here, but you caught my meaning, I think. The faster I can go in an RPG while grinding, the better. Useful for my challenge runs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:41:12 2013 No.867337 >>867306 Where's the challenge when you're cheating?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:43:42 2013 No.867343 >>866584 >has far more built-in hacks that make specific games work Sorry for contributing to this thread, but is that the current version? Every update removes hacks looking at the changelog.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:45:12 2013 No.867351

>>867187
>Don't know about here.
Earlier on /v/ tried to make a shitpost war out of ZSNES vs. every emulator ever, the most of it being BSNES.

Needless to say, you really shouldn't post too much about either emulator unless it's needed, it was almost /vr/'s brand of genwars.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:45:42 2013 No.867350 >>867187 > ZSnes interface can be hideous and clumsy for some people. What? There's really someone who can't understand that elementary interface?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:47:42 2013 No.867352 >>867351 That, and filters. My god.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:48:42 2013 No.867354 >>867351 >Oh, forgot Either way /vr/ recommends SNES9X or BSNES equally through Retroarch, so yeah we tend to like like both as long as someone doesn't try and stir anything up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:57:43 2013 No.867372 >>867337 That isn't cheating, dipshit. I'm increasing the speed and making my fights go faster, not inputting gameshark cheats.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 14:59:43 2013 No.867375 >>866656 lol u trol me

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:01:13 2013 No.867383

Using ZSNES today when Snes9x and bsnes exist is sort of like using cassette tapes today when CDs and mp3 players and shit exist.
'cept difference is people are often proud of, or willfully ignorant about, using outdated lower fidelity technology when it comes to emulators, and get very defensive when people suggest other emulators that offer a higher quality experience.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:01:42 2013 No.867381

It's hated because people continue to use it despite there being much more accurate software out there, all for free.

Back when ZSNES was in the most influential stages of its development, PC hardware was many orders of magnitude slower than it is now. To make an emulator that ran on the average home user's PC at the time, it needed to focus on speed rather than accuracy. To do this, various hacks and other bugfixes were implemented on a per-game basis to increase speed and hide errors in the emulation, most frequently with popular games of the time that people wanted to play (Mario, Zelda, etc.). Additionally, the emulator was written in x86 assembly rather than a higher level, portable language in order to maximize speed.

As time progressed, the average home computer increased in speed and capability enough to accurately emulate many components of the SNES that had previously relied on "close enough" hacks like those seen in ZSNES. This resulted in the modern versions of SNES9X and BSNES/Higan. With processing power in abundance and no longer the primary concern of the emulator, accurate emulation is now viable.

Therefore, don't use ZSNES, it's a relic from another era just like NESticle. It served its purpose, now let it die.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:04:12 2013 No.867387

>>867187
>In short, there's nothing ZSnes does that Snes9x can't do.
Peer-to-peer netplay. 9x relies on Kaillera otherwise, and if it's for just 2 player netplay, ZSNES does it better. Especially if Tunngle's involved.
Also, many SMW hacks don't work properly on 9x when they would on ZSNES.

Still, 9x is a better emulator. I'm just saying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:04:12 2013 No.867393 ZSNES is among Genecyst and Nesticle as the emulators released in the 90s, great for their high speed when computers were slower and expensive. But it's not 1998 anymore; you should use a proper emulator now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:04:42 2013 No.867389 Somebody should tell me why snes9x drops to 5 frames and not any higher the second I use gamepad input then goes back to its normal FPS when I change to keyboard.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:05:42 2013 No.867394

>>866746
Der Langrisser
Super Mario RPG
Star Ocean
Every SuperFX game
Kirby Dreamland 3
Mecarobot Golf
Jurassic Park

Don't get me wrong, ZSNES has its good points. The GUI(which I think is awesome), the fact it runs on toasters, multiplayer w/ chat.

Its just not too relevant, anymore.

If you're feeling nostalgic for the GUI, you can find bZSNES somewhere, which is a build of bsnes-performance with ZSNES's GUI and compatibility with the SMW romhacks.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:07:42 2013 No.867402

>>867387

>Also, many SMW hacks don't work properly on 9x when they would on ZSNES.

Kind of a pain, that, considering the only reason they don't work on 9x is because they rely on those aforementioned hacks that ZSNES employs, most notably something people use to insert custom music relies on such a hack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:08:13 2013 No.867406 >>867381 Q: Why do people still use it? A: Because it works. Deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:11:13 2013 No.867417 >>867406 (not who you are replying to) But it doesn't, really. That's the problem. It only "works" if "gimped and not true to the original console" is your definition of working. That might be acceptable for some people, but not me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:12:43 2013 No.867419 >>867394 Der Langrisser works perfectly on ZSNES.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:13:43 2013 No.867423
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Anybody dare to put the VERY FIRST version of ZSNES to the test?

Also, despite this version actually being written in C, not assembler, they still claim to be able to run games on a 486DX2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:17:42 2013 No.867432 >>867417 It's not the best emulator but it is the best option for casual SNES gaming.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:19:12 2013 No.867438

June 4, 1999
The sound effects bug (eg. FF3 Wind, CT Intro 'Whoosh') hasn't been fixed yet. It seems like (although I might be wrong) the snes has an extra sound filter to alter the way how those sounds are produced. I will attempt to reverse engineer this from an snes after the next release.

8 years later they still haven't fixed it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:27:13 2013 No.867459 >>867432 That would be snes9x

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:29:43 2013 No.867467 >>867394 >and compatibility with the SMW romhacks. Not really. Most romhacks have the same sound problems with bZSNES.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:30:42 2013 No.867469 File: 187 KB, 896x600, Fctwin_09_with-both-games.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] At least ZSNES has better compatibility with SNES games than pic related.

>>	sage sage Wed Jul 3 15:36:12 2013 No.867481 >>866683 >Retroarch looks amazing. Does it work? Yes. http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/RetroArch

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 15:59:51 2013 No.867523 >>867423 Not really the 1st edition. >0.150 >Different GUI

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:04:20 2013 No.867531 >>867523 Its hard to find one older than 0.700

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:12:21 2013 No.867543 ZSNES works well enough if you're just going to casually play one or two games. I generally use it because I'm always multitasking, because it's a much smaller footprint on my resources, and I really couldn't care less about bad sound quality.

Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:15:51 2013 No.867553

>>866202
ZSNES was my goto emulator for many years, even after it stopped updating. It was "good enough". Then not too long ago I realized just how unaccurate the sound emulation was in game's like Chrono Trigger. I ran it in Snes9x and realized I've been blinded (deafened?) to how poorly ZSNES was running one of my favorite 16-bit RPGs. I mean, it's doable but we should be able to do better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:16:51 2013 No.867556 Why ZSNES is still the best: - best savestate management - best controller options - GUI-less window - just werks, and has done so since 1997

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:21:20 2013 No.867564 >>867556 It does have issues though. People say the sound is bad, and you do run across video errors and incompatibilities. An interface doesn't make something automatically good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:22:50 2013 No.867567 You youngfags wouldn't understand, but the GUI in ZSNES makes me feel at home back in the 90's. I prefer not having to think I'm just emulating a game in Windows.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:26:21 2013 No.867574 >>867567 >I prefer not having to think I'm just emulating a game in Windows. Why does this matter while you're playing the game? If you're fullscreen and using a controller, you should only be thinking about the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:26:51 2013 No.867572 >>867553 Higan has even better sound emulation

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:26:51 2013 No.867573 >>867556 >just werks Because, you know, SNES9x and bsnes don't work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:34:21 2013 No.867592 >>867573 I'm not arguing in favor of ZSNES but that wasn't his point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:41:20 2013 No.867607 Well, I just tried out BSNES for the first time, just for kicks. It runs SNES games at about half the normal speed. That's pretty horrible, considering I can run Wii games on this thing. Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:44:21 2013 No.867618 >>867607 Use the balanced core, not the accuracy one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:47:50 2013 No.867626 >>867607 bsnes doesn't require much more than a Core 2. You're doing something wrong, such as running the accuracy profile

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:48:50 2013 No.867630 >>867618 I have no idea what that means. There's no options related to cores.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:51:20 2013 No.867637 Well, it doesn't matter. I've already deleted it, anyway. The graphics were horrible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:55:52 2013 No.867645 >>867630 higan comes with 3 different executables for each profile. RetroArch also has 3 separate libretro cores for each profile

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:57:23 2013 No.867647 I mostly go for ZSNES because of the Cheat Search function being perhaps one of the most reliable. Had a hard time using that same over the SNES9x. On the other hand, it's true that games that don't work on ZSNES will play well with SNES9x.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 16:59:59 2013 No.867652 >>867630 There's, like, three executables if you're using higan from his site. Use the one for performance or balance, not accuracy. Likewise, if you're using RetroArch, there are three cores related to bSNES. Use the ones previously mentioned.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 20:15:47 2013 No.868393 File: 5 KB, 256x224, supmario3-14.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>866491 Just use RetroArch w/ BSNES balanced core.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 20:17:17 2013 No.868412 >>867647 Or you could just use a program like Artmoney. It works for every emulator.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 23:18:03 2013 No.869065 >>868412 >Artmoney except the PRO version costs money and I'm a poor lad, less I can leech one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 23:34:33 2013 No.869118 >>866202 because byuu-sama said so in an article, seriously.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 23:38:03 2013 No.869129 >>869065 >buying software You guys are so weird sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 3 23:44:03 2013 No.869145 >>867423 I couldn't run DBZ butoden 2 at a good framerate on a 100mhz 486. That was in '96 I think. It only had 8mb ram, maybe that was a factor too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 00:38:34 2013 No.869262 >>869145 Probably. It was recommended to have at least 10MB free EMS memory for texture decompression.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 00:43:33 2013 No.869269 >>867350 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MoWgeQRXHo

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 00:49:33 2013 No.869278 I thought Snes9x was superior until recently. The only reason I play Snes9x over ZSNES now is because my Tactics Ogre english patched rom has tons of graphic glitches on ZSNES.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 01:09:03 2013 No.869314 >>866231 >I dunno, the picture looks clearer to me on zsnes, You probably have a particular filter on in SNES9x (perhaps it was on by default). You can turn it off and get absolute pixel perfect clear draws

Anonymous Thu Jul 4 01:20:03 2013 No.869345

>>867158

>Best 2 player netplay (I use SNES9k when it's more than 2 people)

Nigger you had best be joking.

Mednafen or die. In my personal experience, Zsnes netplay was laggy and desynched constantly.

Mednafen works well even on shitty DSL. I played NBA Jam T.E. with some /vr/tualboiis the other day. Like a dream.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 01:20:33 2013 No.869343 >>866206 I like the way ZSNES looks. The windows GUI just looks tacky

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 01:29:03 2013 No.869369 Snes9x does what Zsnes don't. Except netplay properly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 01:36:33 2013 No.869382 >>869278 uh, snes9x IS superior dude

Anonymous Thu Jul 4 02:33:33 2013 No.869519

Sup /vr/troopers I've played Zsnes all my life, no problems so far, except a few games here and there that I really doesn't care much about, But i've heard so much about bsnes/retroarch lately that I wanted to give it a try, long story short, bsnes needs to use another rom format, so reformating every fucking rom I have sucks, also... Downloaded retroarch and bsnes now, how do they work together??

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 02:39:33 2013 No.869528 >>869519 if you're too dumb to use bsnes then just use snes9x. either way, you have no excuse to still be using zsnes

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 03:01:34 2013 No.869572 ZSNES fast forwards better. If you try to fast forward in SNES9x the sounds gets choppy as fuck.

Anonymous Thu Jul 4 03:10:34 2013 No.869582

>>869528
the fuck? the reason I don't to /v/ anymore is because most modern games sucks, and also to avoid elitist pieces of shit like you, of course I can google and shit, But lots ot /vr/troopers have been using bsnes/retroarch for quite sometime and I was hoping to get tips and shit.

and fuck you about a excuse about using zsnes, you autistic fuck, I use whatthefuckever I want on my fucking time on my damn computer

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 03:11:04 2013 No.869589 >>869582 Use the core in Retroarch, it does all that nasty ROM management crap for you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 03:30:33 2013 No.869623 >>869589 thanks anon, im looking up some info now

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 03:32:34 2013 No.869627 >>869623 Not really a lot to look up. The emulation wiki covers it. Retroarch is wonderfully simple. I recommend setting interger scale and renaming the cores to something a little more coherent, though. (There's no real need to use Phoenix, either...)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 03:49:03 2013 No.869643 >>869582 >being this defensive you have a real boner for outdated inferior software don't you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:07:03 2013 No.869668 >>866210 I've played ActRaiser 2 on ZSNES without any problems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:08:03 2013 No.869669 >>869668 no you haven't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:10:03 2013 No.869670 >>869669 Yes, I have. The only problem I experienced was the game hanging while trying to enter a level, and that was fixed by downloading a different ROM.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:12:33 2013 No.869674 >>869643 No, I hate when I politely ask for a little help, just to meet autistic hatred from elitist fucks online. That's why I stopped goin to /v/ as soon as this board came up... >dat first month good times in the company of good people, indeed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:15:04 2013 No.869682 >>869674 >suggest others stop using bad software >suddenly autistic It's peculiar that you have such a strong distaste for /v/, you would be right at home there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:20:03 2013 No.869694 >>869670 That kind of "solution" is as retarded as switching to PAL mode to bypass SMRPG crashes, or switching audio to mono so Der Langrisser doesn't freeze, or all that voodoo necessary to play some N64 games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:22:33 2013 No.869698 >>866202 Why is this thread still getting replies?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:26:34 2013 No.869712 >>869694 Does switching audio to mono really stop freezing in SNES9x if it's patched?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:36:33 2013 No.869736 >>869712 That only applies to DL under ZSNES, SNES9x doesn't have any workarounds, but they may have fixed the game in recent versions, I haven't tried it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:37:04 2013 No.869737 >>869736 Well damn. I was thinking of throwing it on my PSP because I don't think I'd feel like it any other way. That's a shame...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:50:03 2013 No.869752 >>869737 >anything SNES >PSP

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:52:34 2013 No.869754 >>869752 I actually have F-Zero running full speed. NTSC, too. I don't know how, but I do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:54:34 2013 No.869758 >>869682 >He asks for help using better ones so he can not use ZSNES >Immediately shit on and called stupid >Gets defensive for being attacked for no good reason Man, /vr/ is so different from /v/. ... Nope, couldn't keep a straight face.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 04:57:04 2013 No.869763 >>869754 Nice, man.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 05:16:34 2013 No.869795 bsnes/ higan > either higher-end games like DKC don't look like complete shit on it. Seeing DKC on snes9x gave me eyecancer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 06:56:34 2013 No.869918 >>867531 They're all on filetrip.net. Or were. It seems to be down at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 06:58:34 2013 No.869920 Anyone ever play FFVI on the really old versions of ZSNES? The fucking sound effects, man. Also, broken spell effects everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 07:02:34 2013 No.869923 >>869795 There should be no difference in visual quality on either emulator unless you're using filters.

Anonymous Thu Jul 4 19:43:08 2013 No.871576

How strong a computer do you need to run 9x properly? Serious question. I use a computer from 2002 and 9x lags hardcore depending on the filter I use. I'm talking like 10 fps. That can't be normal, but I don't know how to fix it. That's why I use ZSNES still. That and 9x leaves a weird colored frame when I go to fullscreen that is distracting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 19:49:07 2013 No.871604 >>871576 >2002 Just use ZSNES or an older version of 9x.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 20:00:38 2013 No.871640 >>866202 >Why is Snes9x considered superior to Zsnes? -Greater emulation accuracy -more updated -more games work -Codebase is portable and not a trainwreck of x86 ASM -able to use alternate frontends, particularly RetroArch

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 20:03:07 2013 No.871652 >>871576 Squarepusher's SNES9x-Next (which is based on SNES9x 1.52 with some 1.53 additions and some non-intrusive speedhacks) runs full speed on a Wii. Mainline SNES9x 1.53+ are somewhat slower.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 21:07:23 2013 No.871791 >>871604 no. do not use zsnes. use the latest version of snes9x, or retroarch+bsnes core I wish this fucking thread would die already

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 21:13:37 2013 No.871802 >>871576 Try what >>871652 says. Maybe it'll work.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 21:16:07 2013 No.871808 >>871791 He said he has an ancient 00s era computer you fucking autist

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 21:18:37 2013 No.871812 >>871576 You've been using the same computer for 11 years? Seriously? Dude. It's time to upgrade.

Anonymous Thu Jul 4 21:25:07 2013 No.871825

>>871791
>use the latest version of snes9x, or retroarch+bsnes core

Holy shit. Read the fucking thread and stop having kneejerk reactions to every fucking thing. He's on an ancient computer. He has trouble using a recent build of SNES9x. He should not be trying to run a recent version of an emulator on a computer that's over a decade old.

Anonymous Thu Jul 4 21:26:07 2013 No.871827

>>871812
Yes, I bought it off the shelf at Staples because my old one died suddenly and I needed one ASAP for school. Aside from Youtube lagging it's been a pretty good beast, considering until last December all it had was 256 mb RAM. I upgraded to 1 GB then. All I play on it is older games so it's not usually an issue.

>>871652
I have 9x 1.53 now so I'll go back to 1.52 then, if I'm reading you correctly. I'm not sure what Squarepusher is but I don't need a lot of bells and whistles, just so it runs at full speed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 21:30:07 2013 No.871842 >>871827 Snes9x-Next is a core for a multi-emulator program called RetroArch, a fork of Snes9x by by one of RetroArch's developers. It's supposed to be optimized for speed while still retaining a lot of accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 23:14:37 2013 No.872170 >>871827 Squarepusher is the handle of the lead RetroArch developer

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 23:17:07 2013 No.872183 I like ZSNES because it runs on my toaster.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 4 23:27:08 2013 No.872209 >>866202 >gui I just see no point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 13:56:09 2013 No.873996 >>867372 But what kind of challenge are you going for? Usually challenges in RPGs are some sort of "No Grinding" "Only Mandatory battles" or "Minimal level run"

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:07:09 2013 No.874036 >>872209 It's a relict of ZSNES' DOS past.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:54:39 2013 No.874145 I don't want to create another thread just to ask this: What's the best NES emulator that runs well on a mid-low end machine?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 14:56:09 2013 No.874153 >>874145 Nestopia.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 15:06:40 2013 No.874179 >>874153 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 23:32:58 2013 No.875779 >>866202 It took a byuu to systematically prove to everyone just how much of a useless piece of shit that thing is. Snes9x stepped up their game, eventually. Zsnes didn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 23:36:28 2013 No.875787 OP here. cant believe this is still open. Anyway, is there like a checklist that compares the two? I remember better sound, and it plays SMRPG with no freeze-ups, but thats all i gathered.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 23:36:29 2013 No.875791 >>875779 You mean it took a byuu to transform the whole emulation scene into a refuge for hostile retards. Thanks a bunch, byuu. I hope you'll choke on your next dick, asshole.

Anonymous Fri Jul 5 23:41:29 2013 No.875813

>>875791
All he did was do things right, unlike the half-assed emulation zsnes provided.

From a software development perspective, everything he's done makes perfect sense, even game folders.

The emulation community needs this. It's just on a whole new level of good. There's still snes9x for those whose computers can't run Higan's core, which is my case.

What we don't need is pretentious trash like zsnes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 23:43:28 2013 No.875821 >>874153 It's also arguably the most accurate NES emu out there

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 5 23:44:58 2013 No.875824 >>875821 What about FCEUX? Isn't that one used for TAS?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 08:12:25 2013 No.876860 Let zsnes threads die please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 08:29:30 2013 No.876883 >>876860 He says about eight hours later...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 15:28:24 2013 No.877689 >>876860 >>876883 WHAT'S THAT ABOUT ZSNES THREADS?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 15:37:24 2013 No.877715 >>877689 Let this die please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 15:40:25 2013 No.877725 >>877715 Nope, we're going to talk about how ZSNES is the best emulator for 200 more posts and how everything byuu makes is shit and how anyone who doesn't use ZSNES is an autist who is worried about high level accuracy instead of just playing games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 15:45:54 2013 No.877734 >>866258 I did.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 15:49:54 2013 No.877746 >>877725 >muh accuracy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 16:15:54 2013 No.877809 >>877746 >not being accurate

Anonymous Sat Jul 6 16:53:54 2013 No.877910

People say the compatibility is questionable on ZSNES. I have experienced ONE GAME with some graphical bugs, so it's not 100%, but I play a lot of games and have only seen it once.

As far as the authenticity of the sound and graphics? I have a real SNES hooked up to a 90s CRT TV right next to the computer monitor/speakers I emulate on, and with ZSNES's NTSC video filter and gaussian audio interpolation/lowpass filtering, it looks and sounds dead the fuck on. I don't know if there are similar touches you can add to SNES9x, but by default I always thought the sound was too bright and tinny, and obviously with no filter the video is going to be really sharp and blocky.

Plus, ZSNES lets you use P1 gamepad controls on the GUI, so I can just sit back and change games from the couch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:24:24 2013 No.878193 >>877910 SNES9x uses Blargg's DSP so it's audio is extremely accurate to how the real SNES sounded

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:27:24 2013 No.878201 >>877910 >Plus, ZSNES lets you use P1 gamepad controls on the GUI, so I can just sit back and change games from the couch. RetroArch can do this with RGUI

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:34:25 2013 No.878217 >>877910 >so I can just sit back and change games from the couch. not accurate

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:38:55 2013 No.878226 >>877910 It doesn't emulate lag frames correctly. If your emulator doesn't screech to a halt when there's more than 10 objects on screen, you're doing it wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:43:24 2013 No.878242 So, I'm trying to move from znes to retroarch (don't know anything about the latter though). What should I expect?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:45:54 2013 No.878247 >>878242 >znes sorry. Been using it for 10+ years and still don't write the name properly!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:55:55 2013 No.878261 >>878201 >Retroarch can do this with a horribly and buggy plugin thats hard to setup Not acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:57:54 2013 No.878268 >>878226 Whats wrong with that? Aside from speedrunning on a community?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:58:54 2013 No.878272 >>878268 muh accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 18:59:24 2013 No.878279 >>878261 >horribly and buggy plugin What? >thats hard to setup It's not hard at all

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 19:00:54 2013 No.878282 >>878268 Screws timing up

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 6 19:11:55 2013 No.878316 >>878261 You mean the thing that automatically came up when I clicked retroarch.exe directly after installation? Sure was difficult.

>>	SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE SAGE Sat Jul 6 21:23:27 2013 No.878617 EAT SHIT ZSNES FAGGOTS FUCK THIS FUCKING THREAD I HOPE YOU ALL DIE

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