2004-2006

[Anonymous No.8646843]

Why were the last years of retro games such great years for gaming?

[Anonymous No.8646862]

Because they weren't RETRO

[Anonymous No.8646942]

>>8646843
>cave story

[Anonymous No.8646946]

sorry zoomie but retro died way before that

[Anonymous No.8646962]

>>8646942
released in 2004

[Anonymous No.8646970]

>>8646946
This, but it was the last era of classic game styles/jap concepts before the era of bigbox corporate "gotta compete with all other forms of media" brown colors western influence dominance.

[Anonymous No.8646974]

>>8646843
japanese devs had finally figured out the ins and outs of the PS2 combined with all the game design knowledge they had come to learn over the years during the 6th gen. Then the 7th gen came and japs went retard because they didn't know how to program for the ps3 (nobody did desu) and by the time they did learn the 7th gen consoles, western devs had taken over and gaming was now forever western dominated and japanese devs had to follow suit to pretend to be as western as possible with their games.

[Anonymous No.8646980]

>>8646974
so gaming could have been saved if japan people decided to like the xbox 360 instead

[Anonymous No.8647028]

>>8646980
I mean I'm microsoft sure wouldn't have minded. Early in the 360's life they paid for quite a few japanese exclusives.

[Anonymous No.8647060]

>>8646843
They went all out (as far as 3D games go) and died with a bang

[Anonymous No.8647107]

>>8646843
>Tetris Terror Instinct

Now I want a survival horror tetris game.

[Anonymous No.8647208]

because it was almost like Japan knew videogames were about to die once the West became the driving force behind the industry, so they went out in a blaze of glory

[Anonymous No.8647271]

>>8646843
all the old masters trying to get their magnum opus out before they retired to a quiet life of no pressure DS/PSP development

[Anonymous No.8647298]

>>8646843
only good games in this showcase are re4 and ninja gaiden. mid 2000s was one of the lowpoints for games. FPS genre killed by half-life 2 and it's 100s of imitators, japs double down on turbo sperg weebshit that's all flash over actual gameplay, the first "artistic" games start being made and jerked off. I played basically nothing but multiplayer games for a good 5 years because that was the only place where actual video games were still being made

[Anonymous No.8647317]

>>8646962
I think he means it's not good

[Anonymous No.8647361]

>>8646843
Peek inspiration, mastery of their tools, perfect window with near total freedom of expression, lack of constant pressure from society to self censor or be super obligated to include list of checkmarks, long enough to have a good understanding of the consoles and unleash their full potential, perfect time for the industry to take more risks before it went too mainstream.
Everything lined up perfectly. Even multiplayers behaved differently.
It's like capeshit movies, it started fun, but then became too big, too formulaic and by the numbers, less risk taking, too much of it, nothing interesting, now it's peer pressured to act a certain way.
When shit starts to get too big that's when it starts to fall apart.
It's funny how the meme of vidya needing to evolve as a medium was just turn vidya more like movies, less interactive, easier, when vidya was evolving just fine doing its own thing, a collection of every medium into 1 big interactive package.
Even shit like mgs had a clear divide between cutscene/codec and gameplay, it wasn't that modern 'seamless' from cutscene to gameplay crap plaguing so many games, that hurts replayability.

[Anonymous No.8647616]

>>8647361
>Even shit like mgs had a clear divide between cutscene/codec and gameplay, it wasn't that modern 'seamless' from cutscene to gameplay crap plaguing so many games, that hurts replayability.
I was so disappointed when I was playing Peace Walker and realized that MGS finally started doing QTE shit. It might sound stupid but I thought of cutscenes as a sort of "safe space" to cool off after the tense stealth gameplay

[Anonymous No.8647714]

>>8646843
Cave story is the only good game on that shitty list

[Anonymous No.8647725]

>>8647107
you know that brings up a good point, for how many puzzles there are in survival horror games, there aren't many "action puzzles" that require reflexes or execution. I think that could be a good idea to increase tension.

[Anonymous No.8647741]

3 1/2 more years till somebody makes the same thread but with retro Xbox 360 classics like Gears Halo 3 Crackdown Bioshock DMC4 Ninja Gaiden II etc.

[Anonymous No.8647750]

>>8647741
No one remembers Gears or Crackdown, and DMC4 and NG2 are objectively worse than their predecessors

[Anonymous No.8647814]

>>8647750
>NG2
Nah. NG2 perfect action games.

[Anonymous No.8649290]

>>8646843
Mastery of hardware and retro concepts. Pre western/normie focus group primacy. Pre mainstream netplay.

[Anonymous No.8649297]

>>8647741
Not the same and you know it. 6th gen was largely a mechanical and graphical refinement of 5th gen, exception for the introduction of proper character action and trash Western open-world games. Normies, westerners, netplay, COD and Gears (the only good thing) shaped 7th gen.

[Anonymous No.8649302]

>>8647298
>online shit
part of the problem

[Anonymous No.8649380]

>>8647616
hated that as well, specially the one with The Boss, it's a heartfelt moment turned into a qte.

[Anonymous No.8649383]

>>8647741
>STOP TALKING ABOUT X BECAUSE Y MIGHT HAPPEN
Why even come here? the point of this place is to talk, go be a bitter incel somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.8649441]

>>8647725
one of the first puzzles in onimusha is timed and that was pretty tense.

[Anonymous No.8649508]

>>8649297
In Burgerland that shit had already started with Xbox and Xbox Live. At least streaming hadn't taken hold until later.

[Anonymous No.8649531]

>>8647741
Gears of War already is a retro game though

[Anonymous No.8649921]

>>8647741
3.5 more years until we can talk about the definitive versions of CoD4 (Xbox 360 and Nintendo DS) on /vr/.

[Anonymous No.8649929]

Not retro

[Anonymous No.8649930]

games peaked right here

[Anonymous No.8649939]

>>8649930
The higest point in the final pillar of gaming. The open world

[Anonymous No.8649947]

>>8649939
Indeed, so retro. They don't make games like that anymore!

[Anonymous No.8650318]

>>8646942
>>8647317
but that doesn't make sense because it is good

[Anonymous No.8651403]

3D had been solved at this point.

[Anonymous No.8651868]

>>8646843
What the fuck even defines a retro game?
This doesn't feel like retro but I hear a lot of gen zers refer to them as retro. Makes no sense really

[Anonymous No.8651885]

>>8646974
It was less 'no one could make games for the ps3' and more 'there was no market to sell to on the ps3'. The PS3 took a lond damn while to finally catch up, and the Japanese are retarded because they not once thought about muktiplatform development. That is the key reason the west overtook Japan, they weren't blinded by platform loyalty like them and made games for anything.

[Anonymous No.8651895]

>>8646970
Almost every single game now is an RE4 derivative the fuck you talking about.

[Anonymous No.8651903]

>>8651868
the sticky

[Anonymous No.8651907]

>>8646974
Western devs died when Microsoft killed PC gaming for the Xbox. Most games now are a rip off of RE4 which was a Japanese game.

[Anonymous No.8651958]

>>8651907
I would say it was less that and more when they got a taste of money. Money corrupts, it's even gotten to the Japanese. Western developers were fine when their projects made good profit, but once they tasted blood they wanted more of it.

[Anonymous No.8652012]

>>8651895
Game feel/style derived from "arcade genres" that evolved into console experiences vs games started on consoles with no real influence from that kind of gaming style that then influence more games like it.