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Any anons have the Satiator or know about it? Is it worth $230?

>> No.8645251
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8645251

everything saturn except the modchip that sells for like $30 is fucking stupidly overpriced, just burn cd-rs with a modchip like a normal person because theres no fucking way youre going to fill a flashcart with games you'll play more than once.

>> No.8645265

>>8645251
Any thoughts on the Pseudo Saturn Kai?

>> No.8645271

>>8645265
point stands, overpriced. Modchip and a little time with one fucking point to solder to underneath the cd drive is infinitely more valueable. Youre also looking at a completely free cartridge slot to swap save carts if you need to, versus the kai needing to be there permanently.

>> No.8645274

>>8645265
The only CD-Rs I got to work perfectly were 2005 sony multimedas ones. Verbatim is even shit now, dont know about taiyo yudens.
(yes I have done fucking everything including using an old CDR writer

>> No.8645279

>>8645251
PCs don't even ship with optical drives anymore.

>> No.8645282

>>8645274
taiyo yuden is king, theyre the brand i most recently purchased after verbatim. i have had zero issues burning taiyo yudens for ps2/ps1/dreamcast. Buuut i have yet to test for saturn ironically enough. Make sure to not buy the cmc manufactured ones, read online they're shit and given i opted for JVC with 100% success, im inclined to believe it.

>> No.8645283

>>8645271
>>8645274
Noted. I have this weird hang-up about not wanting to mod my consoles at all if I absolutely don't have to, not for a lack of soldering experience or anything but purely because I'm retarded enough to think that a piece of consumer electronics from nearly thirty years ago is of historical import. Maybe I'll do it one of these days.

>> No.8645285

>>8645279
>opting to mod a 20+ year old game console whose primary media is cds
>whining about not being able to use an internal optical drive anymore
why are you on this board?

>>8645283
thats totally fair, honestly if youre going to absolutely never ever do a second of soldering, then spending an afternoon hunting down a reliable source for a pseudo kai in the $50~ range is all you have. But $200 for the satiator is overpriced.

>> No.8645296

>>8645285
Yeah, that's absurd. I'd never bothered to look into the Satiator before and had no idea it was that expensive.

>> No.8645301

>>8645279
You can get USB disc drives for pretty cheap these days.

>> No.8645307

>>8645301
No need to spoonfeed the retard thats straight out of /v/, that'd require him to go out of his way to check amazon for usb drives most people have owned for over 10 years now.
>>8645296
when i first got into saturn stuff, satiator was one of the first "mod" type products i discovered,
and knew right away it was unnecessarily expensive.

>> No.8645314

>>8645279
well FUCK dude if your prebuilt tower doesn't come with a drive then there's no FUCKING way it can ever have one.

>> No.8645321

>>8645249
Get a fenrir.

>> No.8645323

>>8645265
>>8645274
>>8645265
I use it and most games work.
The fps alien game doesnt work for some reason .so i played it on ps1 emulator instead. There are other games that dont work. But i have like 100 games that do work that i burned. Not sure what it is. Maybe its not the kai maybe just bad roms or some protection. I use a asus usb cd burner and verbatim cd-r and imgburn.

>> No.8645331

>>8645321

I'll check it out, thanks.

>> No.8645334

>>8645307
I only got into playing Saturn games on an actual console in the last year. I've also been studying Japanese so I opted to import a console and grab a few cheap games. I've been happy with what few actual retail games I own. Very cool console.
There are certainly several games I'd like to play on it that are out of my reach even sticking to imports, unfortunately. I'll probably take the jump on the Kai and see if I have any luck playing burned games now that I'm seeing more replies from people that got it to work successfully.

>> No.8645338

>>8645331
and the fenrir, is the modchip i mentioned. Apologies for being too retarded to remember the name.

>> No.8645339

>>8645285
The aliexpress pseudosaturns work as ram carts too so it saves you on buying one of those too on the financial calculus side.

>> No.8645343

>>8645251
won't the laser eventually fail?

>> No.8645347

>>8645343
lasers are a cheap buy and easy as to replace.
also retarded question to ask on the /vr/ board where an entire generation relied on basically almost the same laser parts all of which are easily purchaseable and easy to install
>>8645339
i think i remember seeing that a while back, dont they run over $100? Like i guess i can see that since ramcarts arent cheap, though needing several for multiple games, dont the stonk savings immediately end there anyway? Strange situation

>> No.8645350

>>8645338
Fenrir is an ODE

>> No.8645353

>>8645350
fenrir is the ODE?
wow i really do have alzheimers.

>> No.8645354

>>8645347
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33009363489.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.280c2348eQpkXK&algo_pvid=c26fba73-aacd-4278-9191-6cf67017a1f9&algo_exp_id=c26fba73-aacd-4278-9191-6cf67017a1f9-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2267067285787%22%7D&pdp_pi=-1%3B30.02%3B-1%3B-1%40salePrice%3BUSD%3Bsearch-mainSearch

>> No.8645418

>>8645323
Alien Trilogy? USA? It works fine for me. Maybe you have a bad dump?

>>8645249
It works pretty well, there are a few weird bugs here and there but everything mostly seems to work fine. I don't know that you should spend 200 plus on it, how much do you care about keeping your CD drive and do you want to burn CDs? That's basically your deciding factors

>> No.8645446

>>8645418
I have trouble getting burned CDs to work. Some work some don't. I have a US and Japanese Saturn so I was thinking about modding one and keeping the other as is.

>> No.8645458

What about dead laser issues? I use burnt discs for my PS1, but that issue is still a fact.

>> No.8645469

>>8645251
>just burn cd-rs with a modchip like a normal person
This
fpbp

>> No.8645470

>>8645458
I got a Sega CD laser replacement for $20. I expect the Saturn laser is cheap as well.

>> No.8645486

>>8645470
I didn't realize how fucked the ODE scene is for the Saturn, unlike the Dreamcast. You really are better of just buying new lasers and calling it a day. That said, how long to chink lasers last?

>> No.8645501

>>8645486
>how fucked the ODE scene is for the Saturn
what do you mean by this? We've got the Phoebe/Rhea, Fenrir, MODE, and Satiator. Not bad imo

>> No.8645507

>>8645501
Price wise

>> No.8645520

>>8645507
I’m sure some Chinese will come along and clone the designs soon enough, and then you’ll get your cheap shit.

>> No.8645529

>>8645249
Can you save games to the satiator or do I still need to save to the extra RAM slot?

>> No.8645536

>>8645507
You get the taste of a cheap gdemu clone and suddenly everything else is fucked

>> No.8645537

>>8645251
>install xstation on my ps1
>still gravitate to the same couple of games despite the 128gb sd filled with other shit to play

>> No.8645539

>>8645529

>> No.8645541

>>8645539
Rude!

>> No.8645542

>>8645537
Yeah but now you don't have to get up to change discs, right? You installed the IGR board as well, right?

>> No.8645546

>>8645539
I think you can save on the SD card

>> No.8645549

>>8645536
Pretty much, the gdemu seems perfect after you get that dreampsu item installed.

>>8645537
That's the one thing keeping me from getting on. Is a perfect way to save money from laser replacement costs, but I'll still move towards the same games. Granted in the end your xstation PS1 will out last my PS1s as is.

>> No.8645554

>>8645549
>dreampsu
You fell for the replacement psu meme too

>> No.8645557

>>8645542
Not them, but that board seems a bit unneeded.

>> No.8645560

>>8645529
Sorry man, half asleep. I think you can save on the SD card or a cart.

>> No.8645561

>>8645554
Actually I'm waiting on my gdemu to come in and test before anything else. What do you mean by it being a meme?

>> No.8645567

Ive got a Rhea. They all do the same shit. Just find the cheapest ODE and use that.

>> No.8645569

Am I a psycho for not wanting an ODE for disc-based consoles because I enjoy hearing the disc spinning. I've also never had a laser die on any of the consoles I own, for what it's worth

>> No.8645572

>>8645569
You can just save the parts and reinstall them.

>> No.8645578

>>8645561
It's only worth it if you are too lazy to recap the original psu for a fraction of the cost I guess. Just make sure you're getting a legitimate pico psu

>> No.8645598

>>8645572
I will take my original, sealed Pioneer VWT1103 boxes to my grave, this shit is going to be worth its weight in gold someday alongside the unit that received one of those brand new parts.

>> No.8645617

>>8645578
Do you need to solder the picoPSU?

>> No.8645641

>>8645567
Good luck buying a Rhea. Deunan is a huge dickweed.

>>8645549
You don't need a dream PSU, that shit is a meme. Just remove the 12V regulator and recap the factory supply.

>>8645529
You can save to SD, internal memory, or a cart. There is a memory manager that lets you move saves back and forth.

>>8645446
That's probably more money and effort than just buying a Satiator.

>> No.8645776

>>8645249
I have the satiator. Works great. I love it. It gives you the freedom to completely ignore ebay scalper scum, without having to mutilate your console. Yes its too expensive with shipping and all. Firmware updates are once a year, lol. And the guy who makes them is an insufferable asshat. But it works. And it gives you total freedom. If you only buy one flashcart in your life, satiator is it.

>> No.8645880

>>8645249
I don't have one but know a lot about about it. Been following the project for ages. More retardedly entertaining than any reality TV.

>>8645251
Seriously. Where are the chinkshit fenrir clones? It's a fucking ESP module. Did all the Chinese ODE bootleg designers die of kungflu or something?

>> No.8645986

>>8645249
I have a Satiator. I like it a lot, no complaints. I would have gone with Fenrir but it was incompatible with my model at the time. Burnt CDs may be cheaper, but they’re gonna fry your laser at some point, and create an awful clutter. If you can afford it, it’s a great choice.

>> No.8646096

>>8645249
Only get a satiator if you want to supplement your physical collection
Get a fenrir or MODE if you plan on just using downloaded images

>> No.8646101

>>8645880
Fenrir is already cheap

>> No.8646192

satiator and fenrir stinks

>> No.8646235

>>8645418
It was alien trilogy and i downloaded it from 3 different sites. The sega emblem comes up and it just gets stuck there.

>> No.8646248

>>8646101
chinks could literally shit them of for a dollar

>> No.8646252

>>8645307
>unnecessarily expensive
not really the dude who made it has been working on it for like a decade or some shit

>> No.8646253

>>8645880
Probably the chinathieves haven’t figured out how to clone the firmware.

>> No.8646268

>>8646252
He was getting paid every year for that decade to make the product, and he only finished it once there was a readily available competitor on the market that went from announcement to tangible product within 10 months time. Even then his finished product was buggy and unfinished and still needed a ton of work. All signs indicate he wasn't actually working on it and was milking the patreon lol

>> No.8646275

>>8646268
oh i didn't know that kek i only heard about the device when it was near release so assumed hed been just working on it in silence. yeah if he was getting patreon money selling it at this price is pretty gay. I think id probably buy one just for the box tho kek

>> No.8646476

>>8645641
>Just remove the 12V regulator
also a meme and unneeded.

>> No.8646498

>>8646101
Are you literally retarded? It's a few bucks worth of parts.

>>8646253
Hard to believe they're the descendants of the great men who gave the world game doctors and the such. Also massive kudos to fenrirfag for locking chinathieves out of their own hardware.
It all kinda makes me wish I didn't have mod chips in all my setups and hundreds of discs. And clients who pay silly money for writing a few lines of code that lets you turn your lights on and off from you phone.

>> No.8646509

>>8646101
$140 isnt cheap

>> No.8646520

>>8645274
calibrate the fucking cd drive you moron. My saturn can read any burned disc from taiyo yuden burned at 4x to no-name crap burned at 52x, it even plays an original disc that has a huge crack on the inner ring. There are guides on youtube on how to calibrate it, there's no excuse why you shouldn't.

>> No.8646524

>>8645307
>when i first got into saturn stuff, satiator was one of the first "mod" type products i discovered,

you are a newfag then, modchips have been around since the 90s, you used to be able to buy them from lik-sang until Sony sued them into oblivion for selling import PSP games.

>> No.8646529

>>8646509
Get a job. You can't even get a Saturn for less than that much.

>> No.8646603

>>8646529
Not him but I got my saturn for $50

>> No.8646681

>>8646235
Hash it and check redump to confirm it's actually a good dump.

>>8646476
Temps are 10C higher if you leave the regulator in.

>> No.8646704

>>8645469
Did you understand, that for normal people burning CD is the same as recording 5 inch discete nowadays?

>> No.8646907

>>8645251
I got a MODE to future proof mine from laser failure but yeah if you're a poor BLEEP then the mod chip is a good option.

>> No.8646920

>>8646509
lol

>> No.8646935

>>8646681
is heat really a concern?

>> No.8646940

if you have a model 1 (oval buttons), get a Fenrir instead

>> No.8646975

>>8646935
It can be since we're dealing with 20+ year old hardware. I don't see the problem with exercising caution but thankfully there are many options for everyone

>> No.8647117

>>8646603
Yeah and I got mine for $10 broken, then calibrated the laser and made it fully functional, but that was in 2008.

>> No.8647121

>>8646907
>I got a MODE to future proof mine from laser failure

MODE has a serious shitload of issues with homebrew, so you'll be locked out of a lot of translated jp games in the future, unless the translators specifically patch around the issue.

>> No.8647129

>>8647121
I don't play fan translations because they usually censor "problematic" elements.

>> No.8647136

>>8646935
Yes, Dreamcast always had questionable thermals and now you're increasing temps by burning unused voltage off the 12V regulator. Your console isn't going to catch fire and explode but you're unnecessarily shortening the lifespan of the internals. Just remove the regulator. It only takes a few minutes and you can always put it back. I keep mine taped to the underside of the top cover.

>> No.8647138

Absolutely. Transferred my entire Jap collection to ISO over the course of two weeks. Fits nicely on a 512GB card. Works like a charm. Plus I can easily play translations and prototypes now.

So, if anyone wants to buy a Japanese Saturn full set(including demo/promo stuff and special editions)...

>> No.8647239

>>8646704
>3rd world esl cope
>normal people
You sound confused 3rd world ESL coper

>> No.8647347
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>>8646681
I dont know what hash it means.and something is cursed about the alien game. It just doesnt work. I just burned another one.

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8647354

Which one should i mod the fenrir into. Or it doesn't matter.

>> No.8647357

>>8647138
What country do you live in? I wouldn't buy a full set, but I'm sure there's a handful of games I'd buy off you if the prices were right.

>> No.8647360

>>8647347
not that tech savvy huh?

>> No.8647364

>>8646681
>Temps are 10C higher if you leave the regulator in.
source?

>> No.8647369

>>8647354
Go to the purchase page and input your Saturn's serial number and it'll tell you if you have a compatible motherboard.

>> No.8647437

>>8647354
Did the American saturns have black buttons?
Because mine are grey

>> No.8647732

>>8647364
https://twitter.com/collingall/status/1088438397272768512
He has pictures posted somewhere too where he shows the results on the test bench but I'm not going to find that for you, you can look that up yourself if you care enough.

>> No.8647754

>>8647732
Just wondering, how does removing the regulator make the system cooler?

>> No.8647763

>>8647754
Less power draw for the disc drive I’d assume

>> No.8647786

>>8647763
Do you need to de solder it, or can you simply clip off the regulator? Will the lack of one cause any other issues in the future?

>> No.8647787

>>8647732
thanks

>> No.8647828

>>8647786
Desolder 3 pins if I remember

>> No.8647871

>>8647121
I haven't had any issues. Which games are you referring to?

>> No.8647879

>>8647754
Because the gdemu is designed poorly and puts an unnecessary load on the regulator. Other ODE's don't have this issue.

>> No.8647883

>>8647828
yes, just desolder the 3 pins and unscrew it from the heatsink. you can also just cut the legs and unscrew it if you're not going to ever reuse it

>> No.8647890

>>8645283
Your autism is holding back your quality of life

>> No.8647892

>>8647883
Any reason to reuse the regulator?

>> No.8647894

>>8645249
Satiator is absolutely gay and the only reason to get one is is you really don't want to modchip or remove the disk drive. Doesn't even give you the better FMV quality that mpeg cart does.
Get a pseudosaturn or fenrir instead

>> No.8647950

>>8647892
You reinstall the gdrom drive.

>> No.8648083

>>8645251
which CDs are good anon? taiyo yudens cost too much and using my standard verbatims don't load...

>> No.8648102

>>8647879
no, it's the opposite as it no longer needs the load that the disc drive requires

>> No.8648109

>>8648083
are you using trurip? Are you burning at AWS?

>> No.8648129

>>8648109
Not sure what trurip is but from googling, I use redump and burn on lowest write speed

>> No.8648135

>>8648129
burn at automatic, redump can be hit or miss on saturn (their saturn dumps have problems.) I recommend trurip for saturn as the lead-in times for saturn rips is incorrect and variable for redump.

>> No.8648142

>>8647894
>Satiator is absolutely gay
Well, it does go into a slot in the back...

>> No.8648143

>>8648142
What are the odds of Satiator clones coming out?

>> No.8648146

>>8648135
thankies anon! maybe I can finally get these verbatims to some use

>> No.8648151

>>8648146
I have a few stacks of Sony CD-Rs 700mb/s. Those seem to be good for my PS1 anyways.

>> No.8648186

>>8648143
IIRC the boards are designed in Australia but manufactured in the states

>> No.8648201

>>8648186
Can't someone in China just buy one and copy it?

>> No.8648208

>>8648201
Yes of course, but that takes more time and effort to reverse engineer than to just steal the design from the plant and clone it. It could happen, just highly unlikely. Especially with all the recent retro hardware that has been coming out with very few clones.

>> No.8648209

>>8645249
If you love the games for it maybe. Otherwise not really?

It does have a few great shooters. I think the racing is overrated for it

>> No.8648393

>>8645251
Once again the thread is shitted up before it even started by insecure faggots who think they're a genius just because they can burn cdr's and install a two-wire modchip.

>> No.8648416

>>8648209
Fighting games too

>> No.8648440

>>8647894
Oh no, I can't spend 100 bucks for the MPEG card to get that amazing high bitrate MPEG1 video from all 7 "games" that support it

>> No.8648579

>>8647894
>Get a pseudosaturn or fenrir instead
get both

>> No.8648590

>>8648579
genuine question, what is the benefit of this? I see posts about putting PSK onto a fenrir and I don't understand why.

>> No.8648684

>>8648590
There's literally no reason to use PSK with Fenrir

>> No.8649235

>>8646704
>for normal people burning CD is the same as recording 5 inch discete nowadays
1. if you're trying to mod a 25 year old console to play 25 year old games are are not a "normal person"
2. not all normal people are zoomers
3. you vastly underestimate how many people burn CDs for normalfag shit

>> No.8649240

>>8649235
you are not*

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>>8645569
>Am I a psycho for not wanting an ODE for disc-based consoles because I enjoy hearing the disc spinning.
just install an A.S.P.I.E. v2

>> No.8649321

>>8646498
>It's a few bucks worth of parts.
and coding the firmware just takes five minutes

>> No.8649496 [DELETED] 

>>8648590
Saves and all ram carts, access to cheats if you want>>8649235

>> No.8649498

>>8648590
Saves and all ram carts, access to cheats if you want

>> No.8649564

>>8649498
You're referring to a 4 in 1, not PSK.

>> No.8649642

>>8648393
>Once again the coomlector is booty blasted

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>>8649317

>> No.8649649

>>8649317
I am still amazed that this thing exists but I'm afraid that just isn't good enough. Discs have wrapped back around from being obsolete to being an enjoyable, novel experience for me.

>> No.8649651

>>8649321
>and cioping just takes five minutes

>> No.8650560

>>8645507
Depends how you look at it, because the fenrir's only like 110 bucks and plays everything fine. To me, it was worth it, but that might be because I don't want to keep burning discs anymore. Still better option than the OP one, over twice the price and doesn't even give you MPEG enhancements.

>> No.8650625

>>8650560
You need an MPEG card for an extra hundred dollars and none of the games are in English, why is this even a concern

>> No.8650630

>>8649564
Then what is a PSK in your mind?
Surely not an Action Replay

>> No.8650631

>>8650625
>not watching vcd movies on your saturn
ngmi

>> No.8650641

>>8650625
I think he’s saying it’s not built in to the card so you don’t need to buy the mpeg card

>> No.8650663

>>8645274
Sounds like your drive is more the problem there.

>> No.8650687

>>8650630
>What is Pseudo Saturn ? This is a software exploit allowing to run Saturn game backups (burned on CD-R) with only the need of a Saturn Cartridge.
You put PSK on a 4 in 1 cart. One of those 4 is the action replay program typically, and installing PSK removes game saving functionality. You can also install it on a dev card, a gamer's cartridge, or an ODE like Rhea or Fenrir.

>> No.8650697

>>8650687
My all in one cat still saves though.

>> No.8650701

>>8650697
Oh cool, typically they don't. Either way, PSK is a software exploit. Not the cart its installed on.

>> No.8650753

>>8650701
It has a save manager and cheats, I’d still recommend it, in the 4in1

>> No.8650763

>>8650641
It's not possible to implement both In a single card

>> No.8651236

>>8650763
how do you know?
also why wouldn't it be possible to use a burned disc in conjunction with it
to me it just sounds like a cop out

>> No.8651247

>>8645274
I've used Walmart Memorex cdrs and got them to work on my chipped Saturn. git gud

>> No.8651308

>>8645249
230 is ridiculous
if it was under 100 bux id think about it
maybe by the time my laser dies it will be, but i doubt it

>> No.8651382

>>8647129
Name one Saturn fan translation that has censored something problematic.
>>8647871
MODE in general just doesn't do things in a kosher way. Short cuts are taken in the way things are done and it's caused quite a few odd issues with certain homebrew games and fan translations. There has not been an actual solid 100% test on every game either, so the 100% compatibility claims are just marketing fluff.

While some of the issues that have been discovered by homebrew devs and translators have been fixed, it begs the question of what other corners have been cut in it. It may be fine for Dreamcast, but it's Saturn implementation is sloppy at best.

When it comes to ODE's for Saturn it basically boils down to this, if you want a simple plug and play solution and don't want to remove the CD-ROM drive, go for the Satiator. Otherwise go for the Fenrir. MODE is an overpriced product that tries to market itself on the gimmick of being a one size fits all solution, but in reality you're not going to be swapping it between consoles on a regular basis.

>> No.8651816

>>8651382
>MODE in general just doesn't do things in a kosher way
All that text and you couldn't even provide one example?

>> No.8651848

>>8651816
There's a current one with the SotN extended patch (one that restores transparencies and what not) where it hard crashes when it hits a load point in the Richter prologue. It was reported on SegaXtreme. The devs can't reproduce it on other set ups, it's only been reported with MODE.

There were a few reported with Grandia over the past year or so, some of the most egregious being that they weren't cleaning up their menu in RAM when they loaded games which caused games that were expecting clean RAM to have unpredictable behavior. This resulted in Grandia printing garbage when using the 8x16 font.

Then there was the whole fiasco with the Lunar translation where they were treating any read beyond 650MBs as the security ring because they were too lazy to properly implement the security ring check the same way that every Mod Chip has done it for the past 25 years.

Some of these have been fixed, others not so much. And some of those fixes were done in a sloppy manner. For example they only clear their menu out of RAM for Grandia because that's the game it was reported for, other games could still be impacted. There's also various other things that have been reported.

Honestly think about it, if they truly had 100% compatibility from the start like they've always claimed, why would they keep having to put in all these hacks and patches to fix issues with every firmware update? The 100% compatibility claim was never truly tested, they just assumed it would have it because they put all their money on a poorly translated dev manual from Sega that the homebrew community has known for years to take with a massive grain of salt.

>> No.8651854

>>8651382
The only time I've seen it come up is when a goon translator attempted to encourage lunar magic school being censored. He was shot down really quickly so whenever that TL comes out I'm sure it'll be all there.

>> No.8652181

>>8651236
Because the Satiator is using the expansion I/O to perform disc reads and the FPGA isn't powerful enough. Even if it was getting it to do that and decode AND stream MPEG is probably not possible due to I/O limitations

>>8651848
lol Terraonion

>> No.8652259

>>8652181
Well that’s why I said it’s shit that it doesn’t, for that price it should have the ability to do it in some way like to use a physical burned disc

>> No.8653114

>>8652259
Very few games use the MPEG add-on and only one game requires it. Which the game that requires it also has a Cinepak version. And the translation patch for that game already improved the FMV quality for the Cinepak version.

>> No.8653827

>>8653114
So?
It should still give you the ability to do it

>> No.8653842

>>8653827
Then it will cost even more as it will need a beefier FPGA to do it.

>> No.8653905

>>8653842
Why do you think that?
It’s just an mpeg player

>> No.8654317

>>8653905
>It’s just an mpeg player
Because it's not, there's more to the card than that. It's more than just throwing FFMPEG on there and thinking it will just play the MPEG files on the disc without anything else being emulated.

It has Video CD Playback software on it that would need to be emulated, hardware MPEG decoding, RAM, etc. It also has features to change the colorspace down to 15-bit RGB along with DMA functions so you can do things like use a decoded MPEG frame as textures on a polygon for example. All of that would need to be properly emulated. Which that on top of the CD-ROM drive emulation might be a bit much for the FPGA used in the Satiator.

>> No.8654528

>>8654317
you keep saying it's not possible but just sounds like you're covering for a missed opportunity with the product, especially for the price

>> No.8654535

>>8654528
>missed opportunity
>1 game
lol

>> No.8654538

>>8654535
feels coping at this point

>> No.8654542

>>8654538
>let me increase the cost of my product and increase the dev time for a feature no one will use
you must come from /g/

>> No.8654546

>>8654542
>let me increase the cost of my product
>my
lol, fuck off dude

>> No.8654548

>>8654528
And you sound like a person who has no idea how any of this works. The creator of the Satiator has flat out said he doesn't think the FPGA can do both jobs. And since people are already complaining about the price I doubt they'd be happy for an even more expensive one with a beefier FPGA.

>> No.8654569

>>8654548
the fact you can still use the disc drive and it can't work in conjunction with it is just silly, especially when others do a better job at the function it has

>> No.8654653

>>8654546
>I don't understand how greentext works.

>> No.8654669
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>>8645251
This. And this applies to every retro console. There's no reason why you shouldn't mod/buy a flashcart for a console unless official licensed plastic is that important to you.

>> No.8654696

>>8654535
This is a retard take though. Not even trying to offend but it's annoyingly common for people to say this as if it makes any sense at all. It's not like you don't know what games exist for the console when you're developing something like the Satiator. You're building it from scratch and can plan out the requirements. Deliberately designing it to not be able to play 100% of the library and then still selling it for $200+ makes zero sense.

>> No.8654707

>>8654548
What FPGA is in the Satiator? The price leap doesn't start getting out of control until you reach a certain threshold.

>> No.8654710

>>8654653
Clearly you don’t, greentext is used to quote

>> No.8654712

>>8654569
Again, there's more to the Video CD card than just an Mpeg decoder. There's RAM, for decoding buffers, a ROM chip for the Video CD software, etc. For it to actually work properly you need to actually emulate the decoder chip that's in the card for it to actually behave correctly.

If it was as simple as just throwing FFMPEG at it then every Saturn emulator out there would be emulating the card. But it's more involved than that which is why no emulators support it. If the Video CD card means that much to you then get a Mod Chip and go buy a Video CD card on ebay.

>> No.8654717

>>8654696
When it's an irrelevant part of the library yes
for example not all flash carts can play every SNES or NES game due to lacking certain chips. They knew this when they designed them but decided against including them to keep the price down instead of doubling it for a handful of games.

>> No.8654726

>>8654717
The difference is those flash carts are sold at budget prices. The Satiator isn't any cheaper than the alternatives. Meanwhile a truly plug-n-play device that is also feature complete would automatically have value above, say, the MODE. If anything it could have at least had a passthru built in for a real VCD card. As is there's no reason to use a Satiator over an ODE.

>> No.8654728

>>8654712
>gain, there's more to the Video CD card than just an Mpeg decoder
and theres more to the MEGA CD than just a disc drive, doesn't mean the Mega Everdrive pro can't run disc games, at this point you sound like the guy that made it but just couldn't figure out how to get it to work

>> No.8654737

>>8654717
>When it's an irrelevant part of the library yes
jesus christ anon, how can you miss the point of this conversation so hard

>> No.8654780

>>8654737
Yes let's increase the cost of an already expensive unit so it can run some shitty mpeg games. I don't think people realize how small the market is for odes and shit. They're not really all that expensive for how few units are made. Let's take the most common ode for example. The GDEMU. How many do you think are in existence? I'd bet most of the units produced are in a plastic bin at chang's warehouse. The installed base is probably less than ten thousand.

>> No.8654796

>>8654780
what are you even ranting about, jesus

>> No.8654807

>>8654726
How would that even work? Think about it for a second. There is only so much room inside the expansion slot, and you're again ignoring that you're still limited by how much data you can move through the bus. It's just not possible to do both at the same time. You'd have to do it all on a single FPGA which would drastically increase the price point beyond the one you're already complaining about.
The benefit is obviously to keep the optical drive. If you want to play the 7 or so MPEG games so bad just burn the discs or buy them, the most expensive one is probably 20 bucks. You still have an optical drive, remember?

>>8654728
Not even close to being the same thing. Replicating a single function isn't the same as replicating two at once over the same bus.

>> No.8654808

>>8645283
You're an autistic retard.

>> No.8654809

>>8654807
>two at once over the same bus.
did you even read my post?

>> No.8654824

>>8654707
It uses an Xilinx XC95144X CPLD.
>>8654728
>the MEGA CD than just a disc drive, doesn't mean the Mega Everdrive pro can't run disc games
Apples to Oranges comparison. The Mega Everdrive Pro has an Altera Cyclone IV FPGA which is more powerful than the CPLD in the Satiator and costs a lot more.
>But the Mega Everdrive Pro is only $200!
Satiator's are made in the United States instead of China which also increases the cost.

>> No.8654836

>>8654824
is this what sunk cost fallacy looks like?

>> No.8654856

>>8654836
Not really. I'd imagine a CPLD was chosen because of the smaller footprint. There's really not a lot of space where the MPEG card goes to have a huge FPGA like the Cyclone IV. You also have a much smaller expansion port to deal with while also dealing with a much tighter pin density. My guess is that there wasn't enough space to work with a beefier FPGA like what's in the Everdrives or Mega SD.

>> No.8654941

>>8654807
>You'd have to do it all on a single FPGA which would drastically increase the price point beyond the one you're already complaining about.
You keep saying this but that's not evidenced. Which FPGA is used and which would be needed? And actually I would rather pay more than $200 for a feature complete plug-n-play product than "only" $200 for one that lacks functionality compared to the alternatives.

>> No.8654943

>>8654856
I doubt people would be that miffed if the thing had to poke out of the slot a bit.

>> No.8654950

>>8654824
Yet a Mega Everdrive isn't more expensive than a Satiator. So where is this "It'll be $400 bro!" coming from?

>> No.8654958

>>8654950
Forgot to add, being made in the USA isn't a 2X price markup, come on now.

>> No.8655007

>>8654958
it's because he is clearly selling the product or has bought one
who else would defend that shit

>> No.8655017

>>8654950
>>8654958
The Everdrive PCB is larger with a lower pin density (Cart pins are larger and more spaced apart). This allows you to use larger and cheaper components and the boards in general are easier and cheaper to manufacture. Everdrive boards are also a thicker gauge which is again cheaper and easier to manufacture. Throw in that one is made in China for dirt cheap and the other is made in the US and it's easy to see why one is cheaper to make than the other.
>>8654943
>I doubt people would be that miffed if the thing had to poke out of the slot a bit.
It's not about horizontal space, it's about vertical space. So sticking out a bit would be enough space to hold the entire FPGA chip. Which then means there's less support under it so it can start to pull down and damage the connector and even put stress on the board. It also means you can no longer close the batter compartment and that it's easy for it to get knocked around.

>> No.8655019

>>8655017
That's not really a meaningful complaint though. The case could easily be shaped to compensate for all of that. Put a block end on the thing so it sits flush with the console's bottom. You're talking about form factor concerns. Hardly an insurmountable problem to overcome.

>> No.8655040

>>8654726
>The difference is those flash carts are sold at budget prices
The FXpak Pro is $224 dollars

>> No.8655074

>>8655040
I got mine, and an Everdrive 64 x7, on Black Friday last winter before the price increase. I'm glad I bit the bullet and got it right when I saw all this Ukraine drama brewing.

>> No.8655076

>>8655019
So you want a massive hunk of plastic sticking out the back with legs to support it just so you can have a bigger FPGA for MPEG decoding? And that doesn't address the issue with the higher pin density and thinner PCBs driving up the costs as well.

There's also the issue of needing RAM on the board to use as a decoding buffer that's compatible with the Saturn, since you would need to support all the features of the Card. One of those features is allowing copying of the decoded frame to system RAM and converting it down to 15-bit RGB. If you can't get older compatible RAM chips, then you'll need to add even more circuitry to get it to interface properly. This has actually been an issue with trying to make new RAM carts that are actually decent quality. A lot of those chinese carts flooding the market are salvaging old chips from questionable sources.

>> No.8655079

>>8655074
pretty sure that has nothing to do with the price increase

>> No.8655086

>>8655079
I know it is because of the chip (((shortage))) that caused the increase, but I meant I got mine before any fucky wucky stuff started. You can imagine if they have even more issues that Krikzz won't be able to send anything out for a long while.

>> No.8655181

>>8655040
FXpak Pro does mostly everything. The Super Everdrive is the budget option.

>> No.8655191

>>8655076
>So you want a massive hunk of plastic sticking out the back with legs to support it just so you can have a bigger FPGA for MPEG decoding?
If that's necessary to make it possible then yes. If I'm going to spend over $200 for a flashdrive I want it to be feature complete. If it's not feature complete I expect budget pricing. How is this a controversial opinion? If the Satiator were $120 we'd be having a different conversation.

>> No.8655212

>>8655191
For a flash drive it is feature complete. It does what it said it would do.

The FPGAs you want used in it to do MPEG decoding cost about 4x more per chip than the CPLD it uses currently. So going with that would cost more. Then there's the additional cost of making a bigger board to stick out the back, making a bigger and convoluted plastic case with feet to support it, adding in RAM and additional circuitry to interface with said RAM all while making it still interface properly with the small expansion port in the Saturn.

That's only going to make it cost more. If you want an MPEG card, go buy one on ebay.

>> No.8655234

>>8655181
Ok and the Satiator does mostly everything. I'm just addressing that anon sperging out over the satiator missing 5 games of compatibility but saying its ok when krikkz does it. The fxpak pro is missing about 20 games, and costs as much as a satiator about.

>> No.8655263

>>8655212
>muh FPGA
as if that's the only possibility
>>8655234
my god, just the thought of having something extra triggers you for no good reason

>> No.8655330

>>8655263
What would you want put in instead? The CPLD it uses isn't powerful enough to do it. Do you want them to track down the exact same Hitachi MPEG decoder and RAM chips the original used? That would be difficult and probably even more expensive if the chip isn't available anymore. And going with another decoder probably wont work because there's more to the original decoder than just MPEG decoding. It has quite a few other features for doing different visual effects. And there's also the fact it would need to be 1:1 compatible with the original chip so the existing software works properly.

Going beyond the realm of an FPGA/CPLD starts to get expensive and even more complicated fast.

>> No.8655431

>>8655263
>my god, just the thought of having something extra triggers you for no good reason
I have no idea what you're referring to. I'm not even a part of this whole discussion.

>> No.8655440

>>8655212
>For a flash drive it is feature complete. It does what it said it would do.
You know what I mean by "feature complete." Do you want to have an honest conversation or not?

"Oh it does what it said it could do, therefore it is feature complete as far as it's stated features." That's some troll logic.

>
The FPGAs you want used in it to do MPEG decoding cost about 4x more per chip than the CPLD it uses currently. So going with that would cost more. Then there's the additional cost of making a bigger board to stick out the back, making a bigger and convoluted plastic case with feet to support it, adding in RAM and additional circuitry to interface with said RAM all while making it still interface properly with the small expansion port in the Saturn.

That's only going to make it cost more. If you want an MPEG card, go buy one on ebay.

This is retardation. You can't use an MPEG card with the thing because it eats the slot. You want people to buy a Satiator because the feature isn't important but for people who want the feature they should buy an MPEG card that they then can't use? Again, the MODE is similar in price and leaves the slot free for exactly that purpose. If the Satiator were cheaper then, great, it fills a niche. If the Satiator were more expensive but replicated an MPEG card, then great, it fills a niche. As it stands though, the Satiator is pointless. And you haven't established that using a better FPGA would jack the price up THAT much. Maybe the profit margin would be thinner but realistically the price point of these things have to be under $300, which is definitely possible with a better FPGA.

>> No.8655456

>>8655234
Krikkz sells a budget line of products that are a lot less than $200. The FXPak Pro is also not missing anywhere close to 20 games and much of what it is missing can come from further firmware updates.

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I am simply amazed at the amount of people in this thread who cannot afford a $200 ode. Are you really that poor?

Do people really burn cds like it’s 1998 lmao

Games on Saturn go for $200-$300 all day so getting the entire library for a $200 investment is ludicrous

I feel bad for you guys. Get a job!

>> No.8655527

>>8655510
we're saying that there are better options for less

>> No.8655535

>>8647890
>>8654808
I'm an autistic retard for not wanting to replace parts in an old piece of electronics that aren't malfunctioning?

>> No.8655536

>>8655440
>Troll Logic.
How? It's an ODE solution designed to let you play games from an SD card. It does just that. It never said it was going to replicate the MPEG card.
>But MODE Can use the MPEG Card!
Because MODE doesn't go in the expansion slot but instead replaces the entire disc drive. It also isn't a plug and play solution. If you want to go that route and replace the disc drive then Fenrir is a better option than MODE.

>> No.8655542

>>8655536
>It also isn't a plug and play solution
I beg to differ

>> No.8655548

>>8655440
>>8655536
>And you haven't established that using a better FPGA would jack the price up THAT much.
Anyone with half a brain can figure it out. You're just refusing to accept reality here.

First of all just look up the CPLD used in Satiator and the FPGA used in the Mega Everdrive. The FPGA the Everdrive uses is about $20-$30 per chip while the CPLD in the Satiator is about $5 per chip.

Next, the FPGA is also a lot bigger than the CPLD the Satiator uses. That's going to require redesigning the board to accommodate it, which might require it to then stick out the back. That's going to cost more to manufacture because it's a bigger PCB.

Next, the the pin density of the Saturn Expansion slot is a lot higher than the Genesis Cart slot. The Genesis cart slot has 64 pins total, the Saturn Expansion slot has 100 pins and takes up a little more than half the space the Genesis cartridge port takes up. That's going to cost more to design and manufacture. Throw in your bigger FPGA with even more pins and things are going to start to get complicated.

Next, the PCB the Saturn expansion port takes is significantly thinner than most Cartridge based systems. That's again going to cost more to manufacture. You want to make the board bigger and have it hang out the back to hold the FPGA, well with a thinner PCB that's a bad idea that could lead to damage over time.

Which brings us to your final idea. To deal with it hanging out the back you want to design a bigger shell for it with legs to support it. That's also going to cost more to make.

So those reasons can explain both why it costs more in it's current state, and why trying to add Video CD card features to it will raise the price more. Throw in the cost of manufacturing in the US vs Manufacturing in China and it's not hard to come to the conclusion that adding that in will raise the price.

>> No.8655559

>>8655542
You need to open up the system, remove the existing CD-ROM drive, and install the MODE. Sure there's no soldering, but it's far from plug and play. Satiator you just stick it in the expansion slot and you're good to go. It's far easier to do, and allows you to very easily move it between different Saturns. Where as once you install MODE, it's there to stay.
>BUT YOU CAN USE MODE IN BOTH YOUR DREAMCAST AND SATURN!
No one is swapping their MODE frequently between systems. If anything they're buying one for each system they intend to put it in.

>> No.8655562

>>8655536
Dude, I'm actually not going to be insulting here. I'm going to try very hard to explain my point.

Yes, I know the MPEG support was not advertised or included. I know that it was never on the table. What I am saying is that for $200 I expect a flash drive to come with no drawbacks up to and including taking up a slot designed for an accessory and locking out support for that accessory. That is what I mean by "feature complete." A Saturn with a Satiator installed cannot play the complete library of games. At a budget price that would be an acceptable tradeoff. At $200+ it is not. I would rather pay $250 for an actual feature complete option than $200 for one that has tradeoffs, however minor people perceive them to be.

>> No.8655572

>>8655456
You made me check and its actually exactly 20 games.
https://sd2snes.de/blog/compatibility

>> No.8655573

>>8655562
It doesn't lock out that Accessory. You can easily remove it and put the MPEG card back in and play your MPEG enabled games.
>A Saturn with a Satiator cannot play the complete library of games!
There is only 1 game you cannot play without the MPEG card, and there is a standard Cinepak version available.

>> No.8655575

>>8655548
>First of all just look up the CPLD used in Satiator and the FPGA used in the Mega Everdrive. The FPGA the Everdrive uses is about $20-$30 per chip while the CPLD in the Satiator is about $5 per chip.

This really just says that the Satiator is overpriced. Either the profit margin is bigger than the Mega Everdrive's or the manufacturing is more expensive than need be and could be improved. Regardless, that's not the consumer's problem. If you're using a $5 FPGA and selling the thing for $200 then either lower the price or, if you can't lower it, then it means you're selling an inferior product compared to it's similarly priced competitors.

>> No.8655582

>>8655573
Are you seriously doing this again? I keep saying I'm trying not to be mean but I'm explaining the facts of the situation and you're just repeating the same facts back to me as if I'm unaware of them. Dude I FUCKING KNOW it's not a lot of games. Read the post again. And pulling out the Satiator to swap for an MPEG card isn't a solution when it means the fucking Satiator's features are no longer available in that case. That's why I called it troll logic because you're deliberately trying to miss the point.

>> No.8655584

>>8655572
It's not. The Sufami Turbo games all work. The Sufami Turbo itself doesn't but the games for it do when in .sfc format.

>> No.8655593

>>8655575
>The CPLD is about $5 on AliExpress so the Satiator should only cost $5.
By this logic the Mega Everdrive should only cost $20-$30. Yet people shell out $200 for that and don't complain.

Honestly did you completely ignore the other parts I mentioned? The Expansion slot pin density is a lot higher which is more difficult to design and manufacture, so that raises the price. The PCB is thinner, that's also more difficult to manufacture and is going to raise the price. Next they're made in the US and the parts are sourced in the US I believe, which is going to raise the price. The Final assembly I believe you'll find is done by the creator himself before he ships them, so again that's going to cost more for the time to assemble them. You'd be surprised how much cheaper it is to make things in large batches in Chinese sweatshops. However he doesn't want to go that route for multiple reasons and I can respect that.
>>8655582
>And pulling out the Satiator to swap for an MPEG card isn't a solution when it means the fucking Satiator's features are no longer available in that case.
The only game you can't play on the Satiator has a version available that doesn't require the MPEG card. There's nothing stopping you from playing that version on your Satiator. All the other MPEG card compatible games will run just fine on the Satiator, they'll just default to software FMV decoding.

>> No.8655595 [DELETED] 

>>8655593
>The CPLD is about $5 on AliExpress so the Satiator should only cost $5.
Oh my god you actually are retarded.

>> No.8655597

>>8655593
>The only game you can't play on the Satiator has a version available that doesn't require the MPEG card.
I'm going to keep saying this until you understand.
I DON'T CARE. For $200+ that one game damn well better work. If it doesn't work and can never work then I expect a budget price.

Now come back at me and tell me there's a standard cinepak version that does work so we can do this again.

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I might pick up a satiator since I already threw a couple hundred at my Saturn getting the caps replaced

>> No.8655636

>>8655595
I didn't say that, this retard implied it >>8655575.
>>8655597
>I DON'T CARE. For $200+ that one game damn well better work. If it doesn't work and can never work then I expect a budget price.
I don't care that you're a retard who has no concept of how these things work or the technical limitations they have. The reasons for why and the technical limitations have been clearly spelled out for you. You can continue to ignore them all you want, but it's been very clearly explained to you. Unless you want it to cost even more than it already does, you're going to have to just accept it.
>Now come back at me and tell me there's a standard cinepak version that does work so we can do this again.
There's a Cinepak version you can play you entitled manchild. It's 2 separate releases literally because they couldn't fit both the MPEG movies and Cinepak movies on one disc. It's pretty much the exact same game but with Cinepak encoded FMVs instead of MPEG encoded ones.

Satiator fills the role of being an easy plug and play solution that doesn't require you to open up and modify your system. It allows you to keep your disc drive intact and still play disc based games. The cost of that convenience is it costs a little more and since it goes in the MPEG card slot, you can't take advantage of the MPEG card for obvious reasons. If this is a problem for you, then you can get the Fenrir instead. It's a lot cheaper and will let you use your MPEG card.

>> No.8655641

>>8655636
You keep saying "technical limitations" but I'm saying I'd be willing to pay more money for those "technical limitations" to be overcome or less money for the product as-is, meanwhile there are competing products for the same price that are better than what the Satiator offers. But for some reason this keeps flying over your head.

>> No.8655645

>>8655636
>There's a Cinepak version you can play you entitled manchild.
It's a product in exchange for money. If I'm entitled for not wanting to pay money for the product then what is the other side? Are they entitled to my money?

>> No.8655667

>>8645249
Get a Fenrir instead. It's $120, replaces the CD drive which is fine unless you actually do have a collection, and you can also get a Video CD card to put into the slot the Satiator would otherwise occupy.

>> No.8655673

>>8649317
Wait what the fuck is this

>> No.8655683

>>8655673
a speaker

>> No.8655684

>>8655641
And I'm telling you the way to "overcome" the "technical limitations" would result in a ridiculous product that's even more expensive just to support one game that has a version available that plays just fine on the Satiator.

The FPGA you'd need to use literally will not fit in the Satiator case. There's not enough vertical clearance for it where the Video CD card goes. So it would need to stick out the back. This would be a bigger deal breaker for more people than you'd think and would produce a lot of other problems to have to work around thus raising the price even more.

> meanwhile there are competing products for the same price that are better than what the Satiator offers.
But they don't offer the convenience the Satiator offers. Satiator again takes 5 seconds to install and start playing games on. You don't have to open the system, you don't have to remove the disc drive, and you can easily remove it and put it in another Saturn if you want within seconds. The Satiator's appeal is that aspect of it. It's an easy and simple solution that anyone can use. None of the other ODE solutions out there offer that.

Sure there's the Fenrir which is cheaper, but it requires a bit more effort to install and isn't as convenient. But for people who are ok with that I have no problem recommending it. It's a great product that's looking to get even better with the Wifi support being added. And it's looking like it's going to be possible to install it and still keep a fully functional disc drive in the near future.

Now if you want to talk about an ODE that's truly an overpriced solution looking for a problem then I guess we can talk about the MODE.

>> No.8655685

>>8655667
I have 35 U.S. games and about 20 Japanese imports (plan on getting more). Not a huge collection but I would like to keep the CD drive.

>> No.8655690

>>8655685
In that case yeah a Satiator may be of better use. I usually just recommend a full ODE because Saturn collecting is nigh-impenetrable to newcomers

>> No.8655691

>>8655684
How the fuck is MODE overpriced if the Satiator isn't?

>> No.8655702

>>865569
Japanese Saturn games are usually not very expensive. It's a great way to collect games.

>> No.8655703

>>8655645
You're entitled because you're demanding the creator of Satiator bend over backwards so you can pay $300 for a newly produced MPEG card because you're too lazy to swap the Satiator out for the actual MPEG card. That's really what it boils down to isn't it? As you've said you'd have no problem if it let you play the MPEG version from a disc as long as the Satiator was doing the MPEG decoding.

Even used MPEG cards don't cost $300. So again I don't see the point of putting a feature like that in if you're still running the game off the CD. Swapping the Satiator for the MPEG card takes seconds. It's no more of a hassle than removing the 32X from your Genesis so you can play Master System games or Genesis Virtua Racing on your Mega Everdrive. In fact I'd say that situation is a bigger hassle, but no one complains about that because they understand the technical limitation behind why that has to be done and deal with it.

>> No.8655707

>>8655690

Japanese Saturn games are usually not very expensive. It's a great way to collect games.

>> No.8655712

>>8655691
Not him but I do think its price is inflated by its multi-system compatibility you'd never use considering an ODE isn't something you hotswap. I will never understand that aspect of it

>> No.8655724

>>8655691
The entire reason MODE costs so much is because they over-engineered it to be work in 3 different systems. Half the stuff on the board is useless for hooking it up to a Saturn. They could instead make 3 different ODEs for the Saturn, PS1, and Dreamcast that were designed specifically for those systems and sell them for probably the same price as the Fenrir or less.

At the end of the day you're paying more for a product that is functionally no better than Fenrir, Rhea, GDEMU, etc. You're instead just paying for all the TerraOnion Style and marketing fluff.

And that's not even getting into the compatibility issues it truly does have or the possible issues it creates for systems like the Saturn. For example the Saturn is not designed to interface with a HDD, while the Dreamcast actually does have that in it's design. That's why Dreamcast HDD mods were common even before MODE. Saturn doesn't have this so additional circuitry is needed to make it work. But even worse is that the Saturn PSU isn't really designed or up to the task of running a HDD. There's no telling what long term use will lead to in that case. And before you bring up replacement HDDs, those are designed to be a replacement to spec, they're not designed to also accommodate a HDD.

>> No.8655730

>>8655707
They are starting to become expensive because burgers figured this out, started buying them up and flipping them on eBay. As a result they have gone up in price in Japan as well.

>> No.8655763

>>8655730
I guess it was inevitable.

>> No.8655971

>>8655724
That's a good point if that's the cause for the price being what it is. You wouldn't want to regularly swap it between machines. Even if its easy to do, those connectors aren't designed for the wear and tear of constant use.

>> No.8656209

>>8655724
I never understood why Terraonion went full autism like they did with the mode. They should have made individual ODEs for each console.

>> No.8656323

Do you need to have a modchip or something to play burned Saturn games? I've never used my Saturn except to make sure it boots up and works. I wanted to try out some games, but I dunno if I want to fuck with the internals of a console I've barely used.

So I was thinking about just picking up a Satiator at some point. But I still have CD-Rs and disc drive in my PC so I could still burn games if I wanted.

>> No.8656516

>>8656209
It makes sense from an R&D and sales stand point. You only have to design one ODE and you don't have to worry about if one system is a lot less popular resulting in a bunch of unsold stock. But it makes zero sense from a consumer standpoint and just needlessly raises the manufacturing costs.

>> No.8656617

>>8655685
>>8655667
Enter SaturnSwitcher:
https://twitter.com/WillConsole/status/1478768426374029315
https://www.willsconsolemodifications.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=73&product_id=104

>> No.8657191

>>8656617
>60 USD before shipping
>Requires soldering
>3d printed mount for 20 plus shipping so it doesn't look ugly
>Still needs a Fenrir at 120
>Still need a mpeg card for 60
About the same price as the Satiator and way more effort just to play one specific game where a Satiator compatible versions exists.

>> No.8657201

>>8657191
It only works on 20 pin models and you can't use the expansion slot with it installed
https://twitter.com/WillConsole/status/1478808754015678471