/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8632856]

We can all agree that Ocarina of Time is objectively the best game of all time, can't we?

[Anonymous No.8632861]

>>8632856
Metacritic told me it was so I believe them. All I have ever played in life is Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. Zelda is definitely the best.

[Anonymous No.8632870]

>>8632856
Yeah I reckon we can agree on that.

[Anonymous No.8632875]

Objectively? No.

[Anonymous No.8632896]

>>8632875
Too late, we've already reached the conclusion that we can.

[Anonymous No.8632897]

Not even the best zelda game, you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.8632927]

Sonic Adventure came out in 1998 and it's better so no.

[Anonymous No.8632932]

>>8632856
Nope, BOTW is now the king.

[Anonymous No.8632984]

Ocarina of Time was so far ahead of it’s time that even playing it today feels like playing an indie game ahead of it’s time

[Anonymous No.8633018]

It got a 40/40 from Famitsu and they're never wrong.

[Anonymous No.8633028]

>>8632856
Definitely the best game of all time, but not the best Zelda game.

[Anonymous No.8633030]

>>8632856
well, it's a good skeleton for the best game of all time at the very least

[Anonymous No.8633038]

I like Ocarina the most of any Zelda game. Not really sure why honestly. I guess I'd describe it as 'familiar' and 'comfortable' and 'with no major flaws'. Every other 3D Zelda has some kind of major flaw (or is a prototype for a sequel, BotW) or is Majora's Mask which I find kind of stressful to play. Ocarina is the game I play when I just want to relax and play a Zelda game. It just feels well designed and breezy to play. Majora may be the better game in many ways, but I think I'll always prefer Ocarina. LttP never really clicked for me
It's not even a nostalgia thing really, I played it a little as a kid but I didn't get into it until I played through it on GameCube as a teenager.

[Anonymous No.8633074]

>>8632984
This. The GOAT.
>>8633030
>an OOT expansion pack
>ruined by gimmicks
No.

[Anonymous No.8633115]

>>8632856
yes

[Anonymous No.8633127]

>>8633074
>>an OOT expansion pack
>>ruined by gimmicks
That's Master Quest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJHrwD1z1g

[Anonymous No.8633129]

>>8632932
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.8633178]

>>8633127
Master Quest is superior to regular OoT in every single way

[Anonymous No.8633190]

>>8633038
>not really sure why
Zoomer and most likely never played Zelda 1 and 2.

[Anonymous No.8633204]

>>8633038
I agree completely, annon. The music, the atmosphere, it may be nostalgia but damn is it kino.

[Anonymous No.8633384]

>>8633190
I'm not a zoomer and Zelda 1 and 2 were literally on the disc I played OoT on

[Anonymous No.8633739]

Up until 1998? Maybe.
Today? No.
I guess you could safely call it one of the most influential, but "best" is very debateable.

[Anonymous No.8633741]

>>8633739
This was the best game of all time if you were living in 1985

[Anonymous No.8633752]

>>8633384
I don't think that was a thing, unless it was different in different regions. There was the GC port of OOT, which came packed in with Master Quest, and the Zelda Collector's Edition disc, which had the two NES games, and Majora's Mask.

[Anonymous No.8633756]

>>8633741
There are games that have very clearly dethroned SMB, like SMB3 for example. There really isn't a game that has done OOT better. There are games that have done other things that are worth remarking on, but the only real attempt to top OOT that I can think of was TP, and that game just didn't hit the mark for various reasons.

[Anonymous No.8633815]

>>8633752
>I don't think that was a thing, unless it was different in different regions. There was the GC port of OOT, which came packed in with Master Quest, and the Zelda Collector's Edition disc, which had the two NES games, and Majora's Mask.
The Collector's Edition doesn't include OoT in other regions?

[Anonymous No.8633821]

>>8633815
Or maybe I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.8633826]

>>8633821
Believe me I also think it's weird they'd just give the finger to people who got Master Quest by including OoT on another compilation including more games

[Anonymous No.8633834]

>>8633826
Well the Master Quest disc was free with Wind Waker pre-orders.

[Anonymous No.8633846]

Yes. Also it allows you to easily spot the Snoys in /v/ and makes them seethe after 24 years.

[Anonymous No.8633874]

>>8632856
that's not pokemon crystal

[Anonymous No.8633895]

>>8632856
You'd have a better case arguing this for Mario Bros, the original Zelda, Doom, or even Half Life.

Its a great game, deserving of its spot amongst the all time greats, but no game can objectively be the best.

[Anonymous No.8633910]

>>8632856
Didn't play it until a year ago or so because I've always had a hateboner for Nintendo, and yeah. It's pretty kino

[Anonymous No.8633917]

I've really been itching to replay it. Should I really hold out for the PC port that some autists are making? I've seen people say it should be relatively soon.

[Anonymous No.8634224]

>>8633834
>Well the Master Quest disc was free with Wind Waker pre-orders.
The Collector's Edition was free too

[Anonymous No.8634292]

>>8633917
Supposedly it'll be released within a month but it probably won't have improved framerates or noteworthy mods until later.

[Anonymous No.8634571]

>>8634292
Damn. Well I have always wanted to play Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Age, might just give them a shot

[Anonymous No.8634594]

>>8632856
It is excellent, but I have problems with it that I don't have LTTP or MM:
>handholding
>linearity
>boomerang used for only a short period
>story and atmosphere are sterile for most of the game
>slow and often awkward combat

[Anonymous No.8634601]

>>8634571
Seasons has a great overworld, but extremely meandering dungeons. Ages has a more boring overworld but better dungeons. Together as a package, it's much better than Minish Cap.

[Anonymous No.8634718]

>>8632856
Yes

[Anonymous No.8634735]

>>8632896
We can, but we won't.

[Anonymous No.8634742]

>>8634594
>>slow and often awkward combat
git gud

[Anonymous No.8635748]

>>8634601
agreed, the linked game is great
the overworld in ages is kinda crappy and waiting 5 seconds for the harp sucks but i guess you can fast forward if you're on emulator

i don't think the dungeons in seasons are bad, just not as hard as the ones in ages...but the ones in ages also get very obtuse very quick. the final ones are funner to me for some reason, the first 3 are kinda crappy

minish cap is not bad but it's the baby zelda experience. incredibly easy and linear dungeons, so much that the final one is practically a stretch to the boss, not to mention only 5 of them

[Anonymous No.8635809]

This was one of the dullest “breakthroughs” of fifth gen. Seriously each episode following the boy "adventurer" and his pals from Hyrule as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the cartoonish imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of repetitive puzzles, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Nintendo vetoed the idea of a third party producing the games; Miyanoto made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody- just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for their annual "party games" and childish fighting franchise. The Zelda series might be anti-Sony (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Spyro series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement.

>a-at least the platforming elements were good though

"No!"

The writing is dreadful; the exploration was nonexistent. As I played, I noticed that every time Link went to "explore" a largely empty world, Nintendo shoehorned in some repetitive puzzles to pad out the game. I began marking on the back of a Nintendo Power magazine every time I came to the same rehashed box pushing/lever pulling puzzles. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Nintendo's team is so governed by cliches and milking tired franchises ad nauseum that they have no other style of development. Later I watched a lavish, loving Let's Play of The Ocarina of Time by some YouTube manchild. He said something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing Ocarina of Time at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to owning a Nintendo Switch." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play The Ocarina of Time you are, in fact, trained to play the same dull Nintendo rehashes decade after decade.

[Anonymous No.8635826]

>>8632984
the mocapped animations and (attempts at) realistic textures are very good at sucking you into the game's reality (there's one word for this I can't get out right now...)
the baked "lighting" on those textures is also way too real for the n64, and kind of creeps me out

[Anonymous No.8635829]

>>8635748
>>8634601
Can you link them via emulation to play it as a linked version?

[Anonymous No.8635832]

yes it is the best game of all time.

>>8635809
spyro is trash, like your attempt at an original thought.

[Anonymous No.8635841]

>>8635809
there's a lot of potential for /vr/ "No!"posting, but i aint feeling this one

[Anonymous No.8635845]

>>8635809
tl;dr read

[Anonymous No.8635854]

>>8635829
it's just a code you put into the other game after finishing one

[Anonymous No.8635859]

>>8635829
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons frequently asked questions:

>Are these two versions of the same game like Pokemon?
No. They're two unique games with different worlds, dungeons, items and stories.

>How do I play the linked game on an emulator?
Exactly like you would on hardware. Use the password you get at the end of the first game when you start the second one.

>Which one should I play first?
Short answer: It doesn't matter.
Long answer: Ages.

[Anonymous No.8635865]

>>8632856
Have more fun playing Phantasy Star Online single player than "playing" OoT. Ocarina is a slog and I honestly pity anyone who had N64 instead of PS1 and/or Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.8635868]

>>8635854
>>8635859
Thanks bros, just started Ages and got a shovel.

[Anonymous No.8635874]

>>8635865
Drop rates for rare items were so ridiculous that I can’t believe you wouldn’t find that game a slog. Did you only play it through on normal and call it wuits?

[Anonymous No.8635879]

>>8635868
have fun. look at your map a lot when in dungeons, it helps

[Anonymous No.8635902]

>>8635874
Yeah who's going to do every difficulty level like that? Still more engaging than ocarina.

[Anonymous No.8636095]

>>8632856
If you had an N64, maybe yes. Not if you had any other console. Definitely not if you had a PC.

[Anonymous No.8636114]

>>8632932
no, botw is lame
ocarina is almost perfect 3d zelda

[Anonymous No.8636117]

>>8632856
Yes.

[Anonymous No.8636129]

>>8636095
Yes, PC Chads know the true Zelda experience is... Dink Smallwood?

[Anonymous No.8636147]

>>8632856
I like OoT when I'm in a dungeon.
I like OoT less when I'm outside a dungeon. The on-foot exploration feels slow, especially compared to its 2D predecessors. Epona might be the most overrated feature ever to be put into a video game, she exists almost solely to make Hyrule Field less annoying.

[Anonymous No.8636178]

>>8632856
its weird how much praise it gets when it only sold like 9m copies
the N64 only sold like 30m or something too

are nintendo fans really that loud compared to other games or are people lying about having played OOT?
its a good game sure, but it just seems kinda sus that people are so enamoured with it for so long

[Anonymous No.8636195]

>>8632856
yes,and majoras mask was a shitty asset flip with a shitty time mechanic to make you hurry so you wouldnt notice its an asset flip

[Anonymous No.8636246]

>>8636129
If you only go by similar Zelda experiences. In '98, Half-Life, Thief, Starcraft, Grim Fandango, Unreal, and Starsiege: Tribes were all released on PC. Take your pick on what you think is best.

[Anonymous No.8636602]

Your fav dungerino? For me its the spirit temple.

[Anonymous No.8636627]

>>8636246
>any of those being Zelda experiences

[Anonymous No.8636628]

>>8636147
You have to spend maybe three minutes of the game actually in Hyrule Field, as long as you open the warps in the Lost Woods.

[Anonymous No.8636641]

>>8636628
Hyrule field was one of the best parts in oot for me back then. Felt huge as fuck back in 1998. Dont get the complaining. Also, it was not even that empty. Plenty of grottos you could find.

[Anonymous No.8636657]

>>8636641
Yeah, it's mostly fine. Has good music, has a good atmosphere. There are hidden caves and Poe quests, if you want to do all of that. It's not the part of the game that holds up the best, because it was pretty much a tech demo area to show off what the N64 could do, but it's also not forced on you to the point that it becomes a problem if you really don't want to engage with it.

[Anonymous No.8636659]

>>8636178
They’re loud and retarded

[Anonymous No.8636662]

>>8636659
We don't give you shit for never shutting up about Final Fantasy 7 and Metal Gear Solid.

[Anonymous No.8636874]

>>8636627
I meant if you go by Zelda-likes, then maybe Dink Smallwood is as good as it got on PC back then. I can see how my wording could be confusing.

[Anonymous No.8636892]

>>8632856
>tetris exists

[Anonymous No.8636893]

those who play the game are being watched

[Anonymous No.8636914]

>>8633178
What about OOT 64DD?

[Anonymous No.8637652]

I thought it was worse than ALttP when it released and I still do to this day. It's way overrated but I still give it an 8/10.

[Anonymous No.8637665]

Hi Guys where can i get a zelda game for pc?

[Anonymous No.8637740]

>>8634224
Yeah I got the CE free with my GameCube. And it does have OoT, MM, Zelda 1 & 2, and the Windwaker demo.

[Anonymous No.8637780]

>>8633846
Ninthings still seething after 24 years.

[Anonymous No.8638014]

>>8632856
Top 5 out of 35000

[Anonymous No.8638021]

>>8636662
All 3 are equally boring.

[Anonymous No.8638023]

>>8636628
It's not just Hyrule Field, it's just the most egregious example.

[Anonymous No.8638190]

Its a good game. There aren't that many good games. Out of all the games that are good, it is one of the better ones.

[Anonymous No.8638216]

It's not even in the top 5 of 1998

[Anonymous No.8638441]

No zelda game ever surpassed the first

[Anonymous No.8638845]

>>8632856
Not trying to bait, but I'll never understand what people love so much about this game. I could understand if it's just the comfy atmosphere or nostalgia people latch onto, but apparently people actually think the game is "fun". Are we playing the same game? Daytona USA is fun. System Shock is fun. OoT is just boring. It isn't even just that it's slow, I love point and click games, it's just so bland and uninspired in every way imaginable.

There really are two fundamentally different kinds of people on the planet, people who love, genuinely LOVE OoT -- and people who don't.

[Anonymous No.8638850]

3D Zelda is strictly inferior to 2D so no.

[Anonymous No.8638926]

>>8636147
You don't have to use Hyrule Field hardly at all there's shortcuts in Lost Woods as a hub and warp songs
The only time you have to legitimately use her as a requirement is for Gerudo Valley even then she's optional

[Anonymous No.8639118]

>>8632856
Agreed

[Anonymous No.8640553]

>>8635809
You can immediately tell someone is mentally challenged if they dismissed Ocarina of Time's story, AKA the best coming of age narrative in the medium, if not fiction

[Anonymous No.8640858]

>>8638850
This.

[Anonymous No.8641473]

>>8640553
Kill yourself nintendrone.

[Anonymous No.8641608]

Oot's combat system is garbage. I would rather turn the game off than endure the boredom of fighting a stalfos.

[Anonymous No.8641618]

>>8641608
just use deku nuts

[Anonymous No.8643038]

>>8632856
Objectively the most overrated game of all time more like. It's literally a movie game.

[Anonymous No.8643046]

I will say its the best(or one of) game "experiences" in that you can show it as "here is a game about going on an adventure doing video gamey things". Its got a classic fantasy set up not too up its own ass on lore, its not a movie game, its not super retro, its not a confusing rpg. Its like a pillar game if you were to show a basic explanation to someone of what a video game is and the most quality relative to its popularity you can show along with things like pacman and one of the 2d marios. Maybe its normy tier cause of that but its the best "kid with sword goes on adventure" plot done in the medium that anyone could get into.

[Anonymous No.8643085]

>>8643046
Yeah, it's a very quintessential "video game", which is either it's appeal, or it's detriment, if you've played a thousand similar games and you're looking for something that feels fresh.
I'd compare it to the original Star Wars. People love Star Wars not because it was some genre redefining art film, but because it was incredibly simple, followed a tried and true premise, and executed it all very competently, and with few flaws.

[Anonymous No.8643095]

>>8643038
No, there are games that aren't even good, that people shit their pants over, because they don't know any better. Bethesda produce blockbuster mega hits, despite not being able to design a game that doesn't trip over it's own feet and break at every step. No way is anything in the Zelda series "the most overrated game".

[Anonymous No.8643230]

>>8632856
No fuck off its not better than Zelda 2 and its not better than Majoras Mask its never been the best

[Anonymous No.8643405]

>>8633756
I liked TP, it was WAY too easy/short but it had a better story than OOT. If you fuse the two somehow, it’d be perfect. Fuck that spinny top thing though.

[Anonymous No.8643409]

>>8632856
it's not even the best Goemon-like on the N64

[Anonymous No.8643414]

>>8636117
>>8637652
What are these things doing in my OoT thread? Shoo, shoo.

[Anonymous No.8643423]

>>8643409
You right, Quest 64 is the best!

[Anonymous No.8643432]

>>8643405
I don't even know if I think it has a better story. I like Midna, but that is Twilight Princess' story. Link isn't built up anywhere near as well as the hero, and often feels like a side character in his own game. Zant and Ganondorf fighting for the spot of main villain, means both of them end up feeling half assed. Princess Zelda is in the game, I guess.

[Anonymous No.8643448]

>>8643432
I think I just like the way Ganondorf FUCKING KILLS that guardian dude with his bare hands, then just throws Zant out like last weeks trash. Feels menacing ya know?

[The guy who says based No.8643449]

>>8643409
Based!

[Anonymous No.8643464]

>>8632856
A problem with OOT is that most of the dungeons are boring. You can tell that they didn't really know what to do at first with a 3D Zelda. The only two that I'd say are good and different from the rest are the Forest Temple and Water Temple

[Anonymous No.8643532]

Yes.
And OOT3D is the best remake of all time.
inb4 comparison autists, it's fine that the original still has its own unique atmosphere and assets, OOT3D is still A+++.

[Anonymous No.8644062]

>>8643423
>The patrician's choice

[Anonymous No.8644695]

>>8643038
Sir, this is an OoT thread. The The Last of Us thread is five boards down.

[Anonymous No.8645945]

>>8633074
ocarina in time is just major's mak beta

[Anonymous No.8646002]

>>8632856
Breath of the wild is the king now. And don't call me some shitty zoomer.
I paid an arm and a leg for ocarina of time back in 1999, I was 10 years old
Fuck me it was good though.

[Anonymous No.8646008]

>>8643532
They're both pretty good

[Anonymous No.8647934]

>>8646002
>Breath of the wild is the king now
Yes, and that is a sign of how far society has fallen.

[Anonymous No.8649746]

>>8632856
It's not even the best Zelda game
It's not even the best Zelda game on n64

Greatest game of all time is a retarded concept. Even if you went by genre, you have to factor in the era that it was released in vs how playable it is right now

Try Jagged Alliance 2

[Anonymous No.8649931]

>>8646008
soulless
soul

[Anonymous No.8650408]

>>8632856
Resident Evil 4 is like OOT with guns and better

[Anonymous No.8650994]

>>8636602
Toss up between forest or shadow