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>OpenMW build with MorroUI + Quickloot so sorting/looting doesn't give me brain cancer
Give me your most grognard, anal, schizo reasons I shouldn't use this to play Morrowind. I actually do like knowing why I'm wrong or what I'm missing. This seems fucking great, though.

>> No.8621592

>>8621541
that's a different experience for sure, enjoy

>> No.8621661

grognards are people who play war games

>> No.8621727

>>8621541
This was posted this in a /vrpg/ thread about OpenMW
>spawnpoints spawn new creatures when the existing one moves past a cell border
>spells on enchanted items cannot have instant effects
>some spells cannot have a magnitude of 0
>on touch effects on weapons always hit rather than having their own range
>mobs have a minimum turn rate
>mobs cannot move down certain cliffs
>mobs can be pushed off cliffs thanks to physics
>physics causes bodies to fall back, possibly into water/lava/clipped into the ground rather than fall down on the spot
>mobs use different weapons and armor than in the original
>mobs use different spells than in the original
>spells which have both defensive and offensive effects causes mobs to continuously run forward and backwards
>animations restart every time the camera changes
>particles are affected by lightning
>mobs are too high above ground on slopes
>cannot move to certain places or past some NPCs due to the differences in the movement solver handling hitboxes
>some effects of enchanted items are enabled on NPCs that aren't in Morrowind
>mobs choose their targets differently, depending on hit chance rather than distance
>cliff racers attack from outside attack range and back off slightly when hit
>bound longsword used thrust instead of slash with best attack
>diagonal movement speed is not faster
>disintegrate weapon uses resist magicka rather than sanctuary
>absorb effects stack with themselves
>spell effects use different orders/priority
You also miss out on lua mods if you care about that. The argument has been made that OpenMW is going to support lua soon, but they've been saying that for a couple years now and it's unlikely they'll be able to implement support properly until having a 1:1 recreation of the original engine.

>> No.8623084

>playing Tamriel Rebuilt but my minimap doesn't cover the whole area which makes navigating more of a hassle than it should be.
I'm not interested in altering game mechanics and am worried that something like OpenMW will fuck up my save games.
wat do

>> No.8623120

Is is compatible with Nova Magika?

>> No.8623529

>>8623084
Can't wait for the next OpenMW release which adds zoomable map.

>> No.8623546

You should play games the way you want to. Not how strangers want you to play them. It's a hobby for recreation not some kind of pissing contest.

>> No.8623589

>>8623529
so you be sayin...
I should install OpenMW?

>> No.8625290

>>8623589
No.

>> No.8625314

Birth Signs with fortify attribute effects are broken

>> No.8625325

Play daggerfall instead

>> No.8625343

>>8621541
Morrowind was going to be bigger before Julian Lefay was kicked out of Bethesda.

>> No.8625391
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8625391

>>8621541
I have no issue with it just don't pretend you're a real human being.
>MorroUI
what is this cancer? Morrowind already has the best UI of any elderscrolls game.

>> No.8625396
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8625396

You're scum OP, either play the game as it was meant to be played or get out.

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8625417

>>8625396
These are the only mods I run and a bunch on the list are from certain characters only.

>> No.8625525
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8625525

Morrowind is the more than a game. It is a state of mind. A type of enlightenment. To understand Morrowind is to understand the struggles of eons, the battle between the cosmos.
To pollute this experience with senseless mods and entirely different engines is not experiencing Morrowind as it was meant to be.
It is the authors vision, which is to be respected

"Many a man lives a burden to the earth: but a good book is the precious life-blood of a master-spirit, embalmed and treasured up on purpose to a life beyond life."

>> No.8625663

>>8621727

>mobs cannot move down certain cliffs

I've noticed this with NPCs too. One quest (Kidnapped by Cultists) is almost impossible to beat without cheating, because the NPC you're rescuing won't follow you through the path out the ruin and won't jump down the cliff.

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8625674

>>8625663
OpenMW fags btfo

>> No.8625761

>>8625391
That is fucking HIDEOUS. Jesus Christ.

>> No.8625848
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8625848

If you don't know where this is you can't have an opinion on Morrowind as you never played it to the point where you have the experience for such an opinion to be valid or useful to others.

>> No.8626009

>>8625396
Look, I'm glad you're able to tell what all those icons are from memory because you've poopsocked the game since 2002, but I can't tell what the fuck I'm looking at without tooltips or clicking those. How is a list that displays the item names, value, and weight worse?

>> No.8626021
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8626021

>>8625391
What the fuck. This just turns the UI into Skyrim, why would anyone want that?

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>>8626009
>How is a list that displays the item names, value, and weight worse?
>How is a list that does what vanilla Morrowind's UI already does but without the soul, worse?
ftfy

>> No.8626089

>>8621727
>>8625314
>>8625663
Stuff like this is why I sometimes appreciate 4chan's contrarian nature. I've tried going to other places to see if OpenMW had any issues or not, since it's obviously unfinished, and I'm always met with an almost cult-like infatuation with it where everyone claims it's surpassed vanilla in every way and that you can load 1000+ graphical mods and still play at 120+fps.

>> No.8626170

>>8626089
OpenMW also isn't compatible with non openmw saves. There's a converter but the current dev of the converter says it's not quite ready.

>> No.8626180

>>8626058
IT LITERALLY DOESN'T FUCKING DO THAT. It's icon view with tooltips, you have to move to each one for details. Fuck you.

>> No.8626307

>>8626180
Wow so hard to just hover oversomething that you don't know what it is. No I need a file picker menu that lists every detail.

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8626474

>>8626180
>YOU DONT UNDERSTAND. I HAVE TO HAVE A CUSTOM MODDED UI IN A HALF-BAKED ALPHA RECREATED ENGINE THAT TELLS ME WITHOUT HOVERING THE CURSOR THAT A DAEDRIC WARHAMMER IS HEAVY AND VALUABLE.

>> No.8626687

>>8625325
chad opinion
but I still like Morrowind

>> No.8626698

Thanks for passing on the info on OpenMW lads. Not going to install it now. I don't care that combat is clunky and I like my game breaking potions, thanks. Greater visual distances would be nice I suppose but I can live without.
I was pretty impressed with myself for getting Tamriel Rebuilt working and didn't want to lose any of the progress I've made by
further modding as I'm quite attached to my character whose first move after being released at Seyda Neen was to shit himself and GTFO Vvardenfell, leaving Caius hanging.

>> No.8627330

>>8625325
Like real daggerfall in dosbox or daggerfall unity?

>> No.8627493

OpenMW MP is pretty comfy.

>> No.8628523

>>8627493
I should try that out. How many concurrent players do they do?

>> No.8628529

>>8628523
>>8627493
Lol I just looked at the github and TES3MP just had it's first update since 2018 8 days ago.

>> No.8628582

>>8626089
straight from their readme

The main quests in Morrowind, Tribunal and Bloodmoon are all completable. Some issues with side quests are to be expected (but rare).

>> No.8628584

>>8628523
there are servers with like 15-20 people on em, which feels like a lot considering the map size.

>> No.8628984

>>8626698
>first move after being released at Seyda Neen was to shit himself
What mod do you have to install to add the shitting functionality?

>> No.8629148

>>8621727
thx anon

>> No.8629464

I have about 200 hours on an OpenMW save with Tamriel Rebuilt and only official mods/plugins. I've played the original for hundreds of hours too but OpenMW is easier to mod and with the last update has arguably the best "vanilla" visuals since it supports things like longer view distance and more light sources natively. Not to mention real time shadows on terrain and objects that follows the sun

>> No.8629508

>>8629464
I noticed that MGE XE tends to change how the lighting looks outdoors. Does Open MW keep it closer to vanilla?

>> No.8629554

>>8629464
>longer view distance
Not really a good thing in morrowind, makes the world look way smaller once you can see how close things are. Fog is good.

>> No.8629561

>>8629508
>I noticed that MGE XE tends to change how the lighting looks outdoors
really? I've been using mge for years so I never compared it to stock.

>> No.8630023

>>8629561
At least when you enable longer draw distance it does. There is a toggle for distant lands so you can see the difference with the press of a button, and it unfortunately seems to do a lot more than just extend the draw distance, but it's possible i set it up wrong.

>> No.8630135

>>8621727
OpenMW nightly literally has Lua and it works. All the other issues mentioned I haven't noticed at all playing OpenMW; vanilla MW's issues are very noticeable because it crashes all the time. OpenMW has never crashed for me.

>> No.8630156

>>8625314
https://forum.openmw.org/viewtopic.php?t=5081

i think they are defending that as a "feature"

>> No.8630171
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8630171

>>8621727
>spells on enchanted items cannot have instant effects

>> No.8630353

>>8630156
Lol reading their threads it's pretty clear they have a major case of freetardism. Same problem with openrct2 they think they know best and will majorly change large game mechanics because they can. In openrct2 you can build gigacoasters with boosters which is way outside original intention and broke as fuck.
It sucks that if you want to use a modernized version of a game you have to deal with the devs changing the experience no matter how "vanilla" they claim to make it. Even the Morrowind code patches did this with unneeded fixes and other very opinion based changes that others had to go and make repaired code patches so we could avoid them.
Basically OpenMW needs to accept they're not vanilla and go wild or reign it in and match vanilla behavior.
At least Daggerfall unity is trying as hard as he can to make it work like real Daggerfall. Even with an ugly retro mode for purists.

>> No.8630361

>>8630353
Also before some punk comes and says
>well fork it then and make it vanilla
I dgaf about OpenMW and it's future. Vanilla works fine it's just sad to see all these projects go the same way. Nothing but big egos and their way or the highway.

>> No.8630676

>>8629554

People definitely go overboard with it, I put it at like 1.5x the normal just for that extra little bump. Looks great

>> No.8630810
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8630810

OpenMW works fine and fixes some major problems from the vanilla engine. Don't let muh purism autists stop you from trying it. If you want to use MWSE-lua mods, use the original engine, cause they're not compatible with OpenMW. The engine of Morrowind is a piece of shit, and it saddens my heart to see people swear fealty to it for the sake of purism. Even saying shit like "well even if OpenMW has better pathfinding it also has a bug where AI can't go down steep slopes so it sucks" when the vanilla engine has utterly atrocious AI that gets stuck on fucking EVERYTHING.

>> No.8630827

>>8630810
N'wah

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8631118

>>8626009
You can hotkey them

>> No.8631127

>>8631118
Hotkeys are op as fuck in Morrowind. You can instantly switch weapons, chug potions all super fast. Especially with a mouse with a ton of buttons on it.

>> No.8631151

I didn't think about abusing timing because weapons are broken by default. I mean you can go to balmora at level 1 and buy the Demon Tanto and congratulation you've beaten the game.

But hotkeys can be used for your Ring of Openings, Velothi Robe, Amulet of Recall, Steelblade of heavens, etc.

>> No.8631191

>>8630135
That's cool for you nigger but the OP literally asked for issues with OpenMW and I gave them. You can find any if these and more listed on their issues page. You not noticing it doesn't magically make them not exist. What's compelling you to defend it for no reason?
And I didn't know it supports LUA now, that's a recent thing, but regardless, LUA mods written for MWSE won't work in OpenMW and have to be rewritten as they use separate versions of it.

>> No.8631989

>>8631151
>demon tanto
the one from ra'virr?
I never found summoned weapons to be OP

>> No.8632048

>>8626687
It's fun to say this because it's older and therefore has more 4chranny prestige but Daggerfall is not a good game. It's fun for a while and unique but it is full of flaws that make it a rather mediocre game compared to other dungeon crawlers.

>> No.8632402

Morrowind with code patch and MGE is all you need. ZoomerMW is trash

>> No.8632416

>>8632402
>code patch
I've never ran the code patch. What essential fixes does it do?

>> No.8632447

>>8632402
I wouldn't say the engine remake is bad. It's just that MCP + MGE is literally all you need. Dumb fuck above says the game crashes all the time because he never learned how to search the internet. This plain and simply is the best way to play Morrowind. There isn't a better way, and if you think there is then you're tricking yourself.
No point to OpenMW. It's just a coding exercise for the modders and a waste of time for users. There's nothing I'd ever want to mod extra into Morrowind. The game's flaws are fundamental and modders aren't clever enough to fix bad game design, so that will never happen. Maybe if you want gmod animations and le sexy animoos in this shitty ancient game go ahead and upvote OpenMW. If you want some weird pointless remake of a better game in Morrowind's scuffed engine then go ahead I guess, but I'll waste my time on better games.

>> No.8632453

>>8632447
>sexy animoos
are there OpenMW sex mods? I know vanilla just has those black screen with sounds mods

>> No.8632560

For someone who is brand new to the game should they use Open MW or MGE XE. And what mods?

>> No.8632601

>>8632416
Just look it up you lazy fuck

>> No.8632607

>>8632447
This. I use MCP and MGEXE in addition to a little over 100 mods and I have experienced 3 crashes on a 70+ hour save. OpenMW literally has nothing to offer me

>> No.8633945

>>8625396
If you aren't playing on a Pentium 4 with a Geforce4, then you never really experienced the game.

>> No.8633947

>>8633945
>Pentium
sorry I've always been an AMD chad

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8633952

>>8633945
GET REAL

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8633954

>>8633947
>Never experienced Rambus

You should have just told me you're a tranny

>> No.8633965

>>8633954
>AMD=tranny
Bull fucking shit, buddy retard.

>> No.8633982

>>8633947
My condolences. I can't imagine using AMD products ever again.

>> No.8634004

>>8626089
Personally, I am a big openmw fan and I kinda have to even wonder why anyone would stick to vanilla at all these days, but I also have to say that I really don't understand these people who plug their ears and start to scream whenever someone even tries to imply that their object of worship might not be entirely perfect after all. It kills of all the discussion and turns things into shitflinging flamewars. I hate it.

>> No.8634037

>>8625325
Boring copy pasted areas. Exploration is not fun at all.

>> No.8634059

>>8634037
*procedural generation

>> No.8634071

>>8634037
Great atmosphere though, the dungeons anyway.

>> No.8634142

>>8626089
Different anon here.
I think it's better in many ways, but it's not done yet. I'm probably not going back to the original exe unless I'm playing on old hardware, but I'm also just more forgiving of inconsistencies like that. Depends on your focus of autism.

>> No.8634552

Sigh...
Just started playing again. What mods do you guys recommend.

OpenMW need not apply

>> No.8634579

>>8621727
incredibly concentrated autism, the purest form imaginable

>> No.8634803

>>8634579
Better, smarter, more capable than you. His chin is also bigger and his hand less brown.

>> No.8634829

>>8634803
>obsessed with physiognomy
classic autism

>> No.8634863

>>8634829
I was making fun of you. It was a joke. Either you're angry and want to totally dab on le me or you ironically demonstrated an autistic lack of social awareness.

>> No.8634876

>>8634863
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>> No.8634881

>>8634876
Explain with quotes.

>> No.8635140

>>8634552
How vanilla are you trying to stay?

>> No.8635738

has anyone here tried it in vr?

>> No.8635750

>>8635738
Is there a good setup for it? I've got a Quest 2 and love Morrowind.

>> No.8635760

>>8635750
if you're ok with openmw then yeah, it's a cinch supposedly