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Anyone here able to vouch for the Retrotink-5x? I’ve went through countless videos and I have to say that it looks nice. Especially since I want to play PS2 games, the deinterlacing on this thing would great for that.

But I still don’t know. Video compression and capture quality by other people don’t show the full results. I was wondering if anyone here owned one and could recommend it.

>> No.8614497

I got one, it one of the best options right now but you got a few other options coming in the next year or so. I'd wait if your not in a rush to see what they offer

>> No.8614568

I haven't used the 5X but I have a 2X-Mini and it works just fine, even with PS2. The interlaced shimmering is only really noticeable on solid color static images

>> No.8614592

No VGA connection for Dreamcast.
Why.

>> No.8614597

>>8614592
Get the RGB SCART cable from RetroGamingCables or the HD15-2-SCART.

>> No.8614657

>>8614597
>but you got a few other options coming in the next year or so
What, they can firmware upgrade older models?

>>8614597
>going for scart when you can have 480p VGA

>> No.8614660

>>8614465
I love my 5X, it lives up to the hype. It just works right out of the box and doesn't require autism brain to configure like OSSC.

>> No.8614665

>>8614657
scart can do 31kHz too. the only trouble is finding an SD crt that can handle that signal

>> No.8614703

>>8614657
The RGC Dreamcast SCART cables do 480p and are intended to be used on scalers. They produce the same quality image as VGA.

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>>8614657
>going for scart when you can have 480p VGA
Make sure you know what you're talking about before you speak.

>> No.8614815

>>8614465
>8~ ms of VARIABLE input lag
It's trash, wait for the OSSC Pro or the Pixel Morph FX. RetroRGB is hard-shilling the RT5X inspite of being super-anal in the past about input lag, even going so far as to use a multiformat monitor+Time Sleuth to measure it.

>> No.8614827

>>8614815
Autism has arrived.

>> No.8614832

I don't see the point in using anything beyond S-video or component. VGA I can understand for the Dreamcast, but Americans who use SCART perplex me

>> No.8614840

>>8614703
>using anything other than DCDigital
disgusting

>> No.8614842

>>8614827
Yes, it's autism to be mad that every rhythm game has been made virually unplayable. I've beaten Space Channel 5 on a Framemeister, and I wouldn't dare attempt it on the RT5X. It's also useless for recording and streaming speedruns because of this, too.

>> No.8614845

>>8614842
Not them, but I could have sworn I read something on here recently about a fix for the lag on the 5X

>> No.8614853

>>8614465
I use an OSSC and the tink5x seems to correct the flaws with it from what I've seen. No hands on experience with it but the OSSC is OK overall. Not sure if it's worth almost double if you just wanna play your marios or whatever. Big bonus is how it handles PS2/480i.

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>>8614465
I can vouch for it, it's honestly the ideal device for anyone looking to play any old console on modern displays with no hassle, provided you have a component or SCART cable for the console of your choice since you'll still get a crappy looking signal with the SCART-composite attachment. Some people would say to wait for the OSSC Pro but from my experience with the OSSC, it's such a chore to use in comparison that unless you're incredibly autistic about setting up profiles, the 5x will suit the vast majority of users just fine. A CRT is always going to be the best choice for purists but they're only going to get rarer and more expensive over the coming years.

>> No.8614878 [DELETED] 

>>8614865
The OSSC Pro will have auto-sampling just like the RT5X has. You will be able to switch between buffered and lagless modes, passthrough 5.1 surround sound, input a VGA connector, have proper AND lagless downscaling to 240p or 480i, and the designer isn't a hack who will ignore your concerns.

>> No.8614884

>>8614465
when i bought it i had some issues with it but the recent 2.0 firmware update addressed my gripes, mostly with clamping and 50 hz modes. the fact that it even has a psp-mode is honestly rad as hell

>> No.8614903

>>8614878
I'm willing to give it a go if it's affordable, but it'll probably be at least another year before it's for sale.

>> No.8615018

Finally... a way to make all of my games turn based

>> No.8615218

>>8614815
>wait for the OSSC Pro

https://videogameperfection.com/2022/01/14/newsletter-component-crunch/

You might have it by 2024 and that's a stretch.

>> No.8615393

>>8614842
>>8614845
>>8614815
If you set it to frame lock mode it's only 3ms of lag

>> No.8615406

>>8614832
RGB and YbPbPr are different

>> No.8615407

>>8614840
Why would you prefer digital over analog signal on an original console

>> No.8615454

>>8615406
SCART uses RGB, which is considered better than that of the component. The component has YPbPr, where Y is the Luma, and others define the combination of colors with luma. SCART has become old and applies to very few devices

>> No.8615457

Why does this thing ALWAYS have a thread on /vr/. Always with the same picture.

>> No.8615461

Yep, got mine for Christmas and I love it. It honestly just werks. Very user friendly and good interpolation means you can stretch and tweak to your heart's content without worrying about shimmering. Gamecube looks great with the smoothing filter and motion adaptive de-interlacing is a game changer for PS2. Having presets for console specific sampling is awesome too, means you can just dial in the best sharpness for that console in a few clicks. No VGA is a bummer though.

If anyone is having trouble using the 1440p mode on their tv, upgrade to the latest experimental firmware which lets you use 2560x1440 rather than 1920x1440, which your tv is much more likely to accept.

>> No.8615486

>>8615454
>SCART has become old and applies to very few devices
Mate, where do you think we are
Besides YbPbPr has become old and applies to very few devices where as RGB is easily on everything

>> No.8615636

>>8615406
Sure, but but I just don't see any tangible benefits to using SCART that are big enough for me to go out of my way to get cables and a scaler that supports it. No displays in my country support SCART natively and component and S-video already look awesome compared to the RF and composite I grew up with.

>> No.8615769

>>8615636
Because more consoles support native RGB SCART than either s-video Orr component

>> No.8615780

>>8615769
It still just isn't worth it for me since none of the displays I have on hand support SCART. I'm happy to play the one console I have that doesn't support S-video (PC Engine) over composite. It still looks great. Different strokes, I guess

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>>8615780
And I play composite on all my consoles up to 5th gen and RGB SCART on sixth because they look fantastic on my CRT, but the point is RGB SCART will look much better on a scaler than any of those other connections

>> No.8615798

>>8614597
But with an OSSC and not a retroshit product I can just plug in VGA. Which is also useful for the Naomi and other arcade systems.

>> No.8615846

>>8614832
s-video is pretty good, but using SCART on my saturn lets me keep it plugged into the retrotink while my ps2 uses the component port, and it needs that for 480p games.

>> No.8615852

>>8615846
I forgot to mention, since I have both s-video and SCART cables for saturn there's not really much reason to use s-video.

some games that use a lot of mesh transparency can benefit from regular old composite actually, and it outputs pretty good quality on the retrotink 5x.

>> No.8615854

>>8615846
I'm pretty sure PS2 supports 480p over SCART

>> No.8615901

>>8614465
It's pretty good to be honest. It can even do 2k and 4k for 30fps content.

>> No.8616050

>>8614832
Component wasn't even an option until the PS2/Xbox and barely even counts for GC given how rare those proprietary cables were/are.

>> No.8616185

>>8614465
I vouch for a CRT TV

>> No.8616819

>>8614815
Wait, what? Is this true? I swear I watch his butt buddy Retro RGB review it and he never said anything about 8 frames of variable lag

>> No.8616829

>>8614815
Proof?

>> No.8616889

>>8615854
Sure but then I'd need to either use s-video or composite only for saturn (or a scart to component converter). This way lets me use basically the highest quality output for each (component is identical to rgb to my eyes)

>> No.8616904

>>8616889
>Sure but then I'd need to either use s-video or composite only for saturn
you don't have a switcher?
either way component is better on PS2 from what I've heard anyway, I was just saying that SCART does 480p as well

>> No.8616915

>>8614465
I have one, it's really nice. It works well and the extra features like crt effects and image blurring/sharpening are all nice additions as well.

>> No.8617239

When is it going to sell out I don't want mine anymore but I also wanna scam $600 out of some sucker

>> No.8617247

>>8616819
>8 frames
Milliseconds anon. Milliseconds.

>> No.8617254

>>8616819
It was measured at .25 frames or 4 milliseconds at 60 fps.

>> No.8617347

>>8615407
Why would I prefer a digital source when connecting to a digital display? I wonder

>> No.8617637

>>8614815
meds

>> No.8617706

>>8614465
Is there a reason to pick this up when I already have a Framemeister?

>> No.8617714

>>8615454
>>8615406
quick question
i have a crt with a modded scart input that allows switching between SCART and YbPbPr + two slots for RCA audio
will a cheap SCART cable still have the same issues in the YbPbPr mode? I know the audio hissing should be fine

>> No.8617775

>>8617706
IIRC it has better and more advanced algorithms for deinterlacing making it more attractive for PS2 users? Other than that I heard it is very quick to switch between display modes and different resolutions which some scalers used to struggle with (no idea if Framemeister is one of those). I heard that initially there were some issues that concernced PAL users specifically. So if that is you look into that stuff.

>> No.8617931

>>8617706
>>8617775
480i deinterlacing might actually be better on the framemeister: http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/rt5x.html

The actual advantages of the RT5x are:
- Seamless 240p/480i switching in triple buffered mode
- Less latency
- Good interpolation/arbitrary scaling/cropping
- Actually good scanlines/CRT effects
- (Depending on your TV) maybe 1440p and 4k30 scaling

>> No.8618118

>>8614465
I have had all the best known scaling options for 13 years now.

In order the best to own currently
Tink5x
OSSC
XRGB Mini
Tink2xpro

Everything else is junk or doesn't match the above. Most of the time you can pay a few $ more to get the OSSC. Get Xrgb mini only if under OSSC cost (lol never again) and wait for OSSC Pro and it might match the tink5x (if it ever comes out). If I didn't mention it, it is junk... like the GBS.

For consoles you have HDMI modded I do recommend the Mcable classic. Or 7th/8th gen.

>> No.8618121

>>8614842
You sound upset you suck and want to blame a device that can be locked to a specific delay. User error is on you, kid.

>>8614815
User error, the post.

>>8616819
It was tested by literally all the most autistic people and proven to be false, it can be vsync locked. These guys are mad it cost more than their mommies allowance and want the world to suffer with the OSSC forever.

>> No.8618127

>>8615407
The original signal is digital.... the system uses a chip to make it analog (this is how it always has been). Why take a digital, turn it analog, turn it digital? Just keep it digital the whole way.

>> No.8618128

>>8615454
>Considered better
By those that were convinced to buy custom scart cables because they were conned. Scart is only better if you are stuck with some old 80's RGB scart only tv

>> No.8618250

>>8617247
Sorry misread it. That's less than half a frame, who fucking cares?

>>8617706
Mike Chi himself says framemeister Motrin adaptive deinterlacing is better but the framemeister has more analog noise and it doesn't handle interlaced to progressive switching as well as the RT5X. If you play a lot of PS1 and Saturn this might matter to you. Otherwise there's no huge advantage honestly.

>> No.8618254

>>8614815
Take your meds schizo

>> No.8618673

>>8618118
shilling is against the rules, mike.

>> No.8618721

>>8618673
lol if that were true mods would ban them on site

>> No.8620379

>>8614592
This.
The one reason why I won't "upgrade" from my OSSC.
>>8614597
>buy this 60$ cable plus shipping and tax
Yeah no thanks.
I already own a VGA box? The definitive way to connect the Dreamcast to displays.
960p (2x through my OSSC) looks insane on my 4K.
I am not giving that up.

>> No.8620831

>>8614465
It’s shit