/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8612407]

SA1 > SA2

[Anonymous No.8612412]

I 100% agree, SA1 is pure soul and an adventure where the characters learn and grow.
SA2 is a 90s action movie

[Anonymous No.8612448]

>>8612407
Based and correct opinion. I played through SA1 again recently and it really holds up. Sure, the writing is a bit cheesy, especially as an adult, but it's really a kids game. I genuinely don't understand all the hate it receives. It's not a perfect game but it's certainly better made than modern AAA trash.

[Anonymous No.8612467]

>>8612448
It's still less cheesy than 2
DUDE WE FLEW A SPACE SHUTTLE OUT OF A PYRAMID TO A SPACE STATION WHICH IS A GIANT DEATH STAR.

[Anonymous No.8612530]

Both are really bad compared to other 3D platformers of the time.

[Anonymous No.8612535]

>>8612530
Name one

[Anonymous No.8612570]

SA1 had a greater variety of stuff I liked, but SA2 polished everything.

Big loss for me was the lack of an overworld in SA2, in SA1 an overworld in a sonic game was comfy as fuck, like being able to wander the set of your fav TV show.
One of my dumbest fond memories was just gliding about as knux.

The benefit of SA1 is the other characters don't massively dilute the sonic parts, Amy and tails are still predominantly platforming, and big and robo are quick enough they didn't bother me.

Contrast with SA2 where all the knux/rouge and tails/eggman levels were closer to 60% and felt like being forced to eat my veggies before I could have any hedgehog dessert.

[Anonymous No.8612598]

>>8612535
Super Mario 64
Rayman 2: The Great Escape
Spyro the Dragon 1, 2 and 3
Banjo and Kazooie
Mega Man Legends 1 and 2
Crash Bandicoot 1, 2 and 3
Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3
Ape Escape 1 and 2
Jak and Daxter
Ratchet and Clank
Sly Cooper
Even Brave Fencer Musashi is a better made 3D platformer than these games.

SA1 & 2 are in the same tier as Disney's Tarzan, Scooby Doo or Spongebob Bikini Bottom and other licensed shovelware that can be played mostly without being totally suffering, but aren't good by any stretch of the imagination and only sold for their name.

[Anonymous No.8612603]

>>8612467
All things that were in previous sonic games, try again

[Anonymous No.8612610]

>>8612598
Sly Cooper came out in 2002 dude. SA came out in 1998. Not exactly a fair comparison.
>>8612603
They weren't portrayed in the ultra edgy way SA2 is though.

[Anonymous No.8612612]

>>8612598
The only kino on that list is Rayman 2

[Anonymous No.8612931]

>>8612598
>Jak and Daxter
>Ratchet and Clank
>Sly Cooper
kinda crazy to think they came just a few months/year after SA2, feels like more time

[Anonymous No.8612945]

I remember sa 1 being cool.

[Anonymous No.8612972]

>>8612610
op compared a '98 game to a '01 game.
Sly Cooper came out closer to SA2 than SA1 did.

[Anonymous No.8612979]

>>8612407
smelliest turd contest

[Anonymous No.8612982]

>>8612598
Holy BASED

[Anonymous No.8612990]

>>8612598
>SA1 & 2 are in the same tier as Disney's Tarzan,

[Anonymous No.8613004]

>>8612972
SA2 is shit so I won't try to defend it
Plus I love the Sly Cooper games

[Anonymous No.8613014]

>>8612598
Banjo and Ratchet barely qualify as platformers to be honest.

[Anonymous No.8613103]

>>8612610
SA2 was 2001, I kept it within a year's range of SA2 or older in order to be more fair to it, which is why some 6th gen titles here with more sequels also better than Sonic Adventutes don't have those listed.

[Anonymous No.8613104]

I enjoyed Sonic on Dreamcast and GameCube but in retrospect it would have been better if they were never released, and Sonic died with the 90s.

[Anonymous No.8613107]

>>8612407
pure subjective opinion. objectively false in every single conceivable metric. nostalgia fags will seethe and spew copium with the most contrived and meaningless bullshit like "the radar tacks all the emerald pieces at once" despite hot/cold not being a difficult concept and level traversal not being difficult, and "the levels have more exploration!" despite that meaning literally nothing because your goal is still to get from A to B and all of that "exploration" is filled with nothing of value. shitters gonna shit and cry about "mechs so slow and clunky! give me more gamma!" which is just sonic with a gun, and the some of the shortest stages in the game, while they refuse to acknowledge that the mechs are their own thing and should be judged as such. perfect? lol fuck no, but they arent big the cat either, of which you have NO justification.

its ok to like one game more than the other, even despite its flaws, but objectively 2 is better than 1.

[Anonymous No.8613131]

>>8612610
>They weren't portrayed in the ultra edgy way SA2 is though.
lol what does that even mean? they didnt exactly have cinematics back then. sonic holding on to the outside of a spaceship as it flew to the death egg was laughably edgy, even at the time. super sonic blasting through asteroids and missiles was anime as fuck. while "portrayal" may have been shorter and simpler, it was still the same shit, and still just as ridiculous. you're being pedantic and ignorant.

[Anonymous No.8613357]

>>8612610
>SA2
>Edgy
Sure it's dark at times, but I wouldn't call it edgy. It doesn't ham up the serious themes so much that it makes it comical like Shadow the Hedgehog or parts of Sonic '06 did. I never laughed at a game more than I did Shadow the Hedgehog, which is funnier considering that the developers wanted to elicit the opposite response.

[Anonymous No.8613789]

>>8613131
Not the guy you're responding to, but while yes Sonic 2 and 3&K had pyramids and death stars, they didn't have a 12 year old child being gunned down or Eggman's grandfather being executed on video

[Anonymous No.8613865]

>>8612612
>Spyro the Dragon 1
>not kino
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.8613883]

They're both garbage, just like every single fucking 3d platformer. You kids care more about fucking graphics and style and other bullshit than actual goddamn good gameplay, which all 3d platformers don't have.
I swear, the absolute massive brainwashing you kids got in the late 90s /early 2000s making you think all those trash "games" were good ruined gaming completely. Gaming is dead because you didn't take two seconds to think about how there's no good gameplay in a videoGAME.

[Anonymous No.8614116]

>>8613789
ok? so it had fewer story elements, told in a more minimalist way? it was the fucking genesis, dude, what do expect? of course this is going to have more story and more detail. you literally dont have a point to make other than "im a pedantic, petty retard"

[Anonymous No.8614154]

>>8612979
t. AVGN

[Anonymous No.8614374]

>>8612407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDpZ9Qg761I&ab_channel=Truesonic1

[Anonymous No.8614381]

>>8612570
I HATED the overworld of SA1. Maybe if the whole thing was a city then it would've been cool, but wandering around that empty open expanse with connecting tunnels, and the shitty forest was just an awful experience.

[Anonymous No.8614519]

>>8614381
SA1 is Naoto Oshima kinography.
SA2 is Yuji Naka cringefest

[Anonymous No.8615148]

>>8614381
when you'e a kid, you're just so fucking excited to be playing sonic in 3d that the hub world is actually welcome. when you grow up, you realize that the hub world is empty and meaningless, and just a colossal waste of time. shitposters with nothing of value to say will say things like "soul" and "comfy", which is basically just a dogwhistle for "im a retarded troll, dont take me seriously."

[Anonymous No.8615332]

>>8612407
OP is right for once

[Anonymous No.8616247]

>>8615332
OP is a faggot regardless

[Anonymous No.8616419]

>>8613789
>they didn't have a 12 year old child being gunned down
Wing Fortress has an 8 year old being gunned down.

[Anonymous No.8616464]

>>8613789
>immediately moving goalposts
Embarrassing

[Anonymous No.8616843]

>>8614374
I love the Adventure games, especially the music, but some of it was rough. I simply cannot jam to this track and I wish I could, but it's just so shitty compared to the SA2 version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHkO-N-gx0Y

[Anonymous No.8617936]

I played them both two years ago i think so i have no nostalgia goggles on but yeah, i found 1 to be a better game than 2. The only bad parts in 1 are the big the cat sections but then again that's only like 5% of the game

[Anonymous No.8617956]

>>8612407
I can see why someone would prefer SA1 as a game if only because I'm sure it did an amazing job catching your childhood imagination the same way something like OOT did for me (I didn't play SA1 until nearly a decade later, so I don't have that childhood allure) but I think that SA 2 is much better as a pure video game due to the sheer amount of content it has that you can fuck around with after you've beaten a game.

[Anonymous No.8618445]

>>8612598
I agree, i've never understood the love for 3d sonic. It sucks.

[Anonymous No.8618457]

>>8612407
SA2 is SA1 but refined. No repeated levels, no dogshit playstyles, a ranking system that makes replaying levels worth it. In wireframe SA2 shits all over SA1.
However I cannot deny that SA1 has far more SOVL than SA2, with stories that resonate more, and level theming that's way more inspired and feels more like a true adventure.
The winner comes down to what you value more. I like them both equally because I'm fucking based.

[Anonymous No.8618483]

>>8613014
Difficulty does not affect what genre something is, you retard. Same with quality. Tired of seeing this total brainlet tier take. You wouldn't call a shitty romance novel not a romance novel and you wouldn't call a shitty horror movie not a horror movie just cause they sucked.

[Anonymous No.8618702]

I do not care for SA1's hubworlds and sloppy gameplay styles

[Anonymous No.8619864]

>>8612407
SA1 has more gameplay variety, plus better characters (even Big). Bat girl and Shadow are the shittiest fucking characters and the proof is how cringe Sonic fans became after SA2.

[Anonymous No.8619871]

>>8618483
he was probably talking about the fact that there's barely any platforming in them you stupid fucking twat. Banjo Kazooie is mostly just an adventure game and Ratchet and Clank is just a 3rd person shooter

[Anonymous No.8620178]

>>8619871
>that there's barely any platforming in them
Banjo has tons of platforming though, you dumb faggot, so you're still wrong

[Anonymous No.8621572]

>>8612448
>but it's really a kids game.
That's the problem, being praising kids games like they are better than shakespare is mental illiness.

>This figure is the greatest thing created just because it is so nicely detailed, despite the fact it's just a dumb toy for little Timmy to play with.

[Anonymous No.8621582]

>>8612598
Most based post ITT
>MML1/2
Except for this. Game is dogshit gameplay wise bro. But funnily, it has the exact visual image Sonic games should have taken if they seriously wanted to make Sonic an anime.

[Anonymous No.8621586]

>>8621582
>Game is dogshit gameplay wise bro
Not that guy, but that's just your opinion. I enjoy the gameplay of MML 1 and 2.
Though with that argument of "Being a better 3D platformer" That's fucking stupid and the MML games don't belong on that list. It's an action RPG more than anything else with a focus on dungeon crawling.

[Anonymous No.8621594]

>>8614116
Your nigger ass is trying to say SA2 was planned during the genesis era but couldn't do it because "limitations", despite the fact nothing about classic era was liked by the person that wrote for SA2

So no, nigger, he's saying SA2 isn't Sonic like Sonic 2 was for Sonic. Sonic 2 wasn't edgy, Shonen Sonic was.
>But le Super Saiyan referino
Naka is a nigger, moving on. Actual father of Sonic didn't add DBZ to Sonic 1 or CD.

[Anonymous No.8621609]

>>8616419
>Sci fi lazars = ak47s
Mental illness. There's a reason buzz lightyear isn't edgy because he uses lasers instead of pistols.

[Anonymous No.8621739]

>>8621609
It's not the lasers, it's the implications of him falling to his death until his plot armor is revealed at the end of the stage.

[Anonymous No.8621754]

>>8612407
Yup. Isn't this obvious?
Sonic Adventure is a flawed classic
Sonice Adventure 2 fails on so many fronts and is the beginning of the end

[Anonymous No.8621782]

honestly, Sonic games were always mediocre at best and completely mogged by most other platformers

[Anonymous No.8621874]

>>8621782
S3&K is the peak of videogames

[Anonymous No.8622359]

>>8621739
>it's the implications of him falling to his death until his plot armor is revealed at the end of the stage
???

[Anonymous No.8622362]

>>8622359
Generally, you tend to die if your plane is shot down high up in the air.

[Anonymous No.8622373]

>>8621594
holy schizo posting, batman.
nowhere did i say SA2 was "planned during the genesis era" or that "couldnt do it because limitations". all i said was that games back then didnt have cinematics, so trying to say "its more edgy now" because they take the time to actually show more details and story elements is retarded. whoever wrote either game is 100% irrelevant, because both classic and adventure have absurd, over the top, edgy elements and events (some even the SAME, which the guy tried to use in his argument). also dont forget the cartoons/comics.

>sonic 2 wasnt edgy
lmao. airship parkour isnt edgy? hanging on to a space shuttle isnt edgy? mecha sonic isnt edgy? schizo, please.
>super sonic doesnt count. b-b-because it just doesnt ok!
uh-huh.
willful ignorance at its finest, folks!

[Anonymous No.8622380]

>>8622362
What are you talking about

[Anonymous No.8622386]

>>8622380
>he hasn't played Sonic 2
Literally at the start of the level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFn4GNtO4_s

[Anonymous No.8622402]

>>8622373
>airship parkour isnt edgy?
Nope, since Mario did it first
> hanging on to a space shuttle isnt edgy?
No? Because how the fuck else is he going to stop Eggman from getting away?
>mecha sonic isnt edgy?
It's a robot. Next you're going to say Bender being a robot is edgy. Eggrobos are edgy. R2-D2 is edgy now.
>>super sonic doesnt count. b-b-because it just doesnt ok!
Naka is a nigger, he isn't the creator of Sonic.
Cope.

[Anonymous No.8622425]

>>8622386
I still have no idea what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.8622430]

>8622402
Worst false flag I've seen in a while

[Anonymous No.8622443]

I like SA2 better solely because I don't have to play as Amy or Big.

Too many damn characters.

[Anonymous No.8622446]

GET A LOAD OF THIS

[Anonymous No.8622448]

>>8622443
I agree. The idea of three pairs of characters, each with their own playstyles, works well

[Anonymous No.8622451]

>>8612407
>/fit/ - Fitness

[Anonymous No.8622458]

>30
Meds

[Anonymous No.8622480]

>>8622425
watch tails

[Anonymous No.8622504]

I really liked the adventure fields Station Square and Mystic Ruins because they felt so real and immersive despite their size.

[Anonymous No.8622572]

>>8612598
>Super Mario 64
clunky and slow. no variety in gameplay
>Rayman 2: The Great Escape
Great game and actually is better than the Adventure games
>Spyro the Dragon 1, 2 and 3
Stiff controls and boring
>Banjo and Kazooie
Enjoyable the first time you play it. Afterwards it has no replay value
>Mega Man Legends 1 and 2
LOL
>Crash Bandicoot 1, 2 and 3
2.5D is a gay cop out for 3D gameplay
>Tomb Raider 1, 2 and 3
BOOOORRRRRRINNNNG
>Ape Escape 1 and 2
agreed
>Jak and Daxter
>Ratchet and Clank
>Sly Cooper
ps2 games with generic furry mascots don't count

[Anonymous No.8622609]

>>8622572
>Great game and actually is better than the Adventure games
Based Raybro

[Anonymous No.8622663]

>>8612407
I like SA2 better because I played the Gamecube ports the most but taking out the overworld was fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.8622912]

>>8622609
>last 3D Rayman game was almost 20 years ago

[Anonymous No.8622989]

>>8622402
yeah, the airship levels of mario were pretty edgy compared to the simple plains levels, lol. serious music, cannon fire everywhere, shit was intense.

holding on, with just your hands, to a fucking spaceship, as it goes into space while you dont have a space suit... isnt edgy to you. thank you for proving you're objectively retarded and unqualified to have a conversation.
>its a robot.
its not just a robot. its the first time theres a boss that isnt robotnik. you have no rings. its an evil robot version of sonic. it has blades for spines that go "DZEOW! DZEOW!". its edgy as FUCK.
>naka isnt the creator
who the fuck cares who the creator of sonic is? how is that remotely relevant? it doesnt make super sonic exist any less, and it doesnt make super sonic not show up in MULTIPLE entries. christ fuck, shizo, take your meds.

[Anonymous No.8623305]

>>8612407
They jated him, for he spoke the truth.