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Or at least it would be a perfect game if it wasn't technically two games.

>> No.8590821

mario is better than sonic

>> No.8590835

I dunno, I don't like certain levels.
And yeah, it's actually 2 games that can combine.

>> No.8590853

&K >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3

>> No.8590858

>>8590776
3 Complete is perfection

>> No.8590895

>>8590776
crap game, you basically hold right to win. Sometimes you hold left because the game has earthworm jim level design.

And half the levels are boring as shit or just plain annoying.

sonic 2 was better, the only bad zone there was hill top.

>> No.8590896

>>8590895
>the only bad zone there was hill top.
is this a new meme? HIll Top is kino.

>> No.8590917

>>8590853
This. Outside of the Angel Island and Icecap zone I do not care for any of the other stages. S&k on the other hand is kino from start to finish.

>>8590776
Think of the possibilities if more games used lock on tech. Shame this was the only time it was implemented.

>> No.8590925

I could swear I had a copy of sonic and knuckles without the lockon feature. Just a plain cart. My mom gave it to me for Christmas. I still had it in 2005 or so but now I can't find it. Anybody else ever have one?

>> No.8590934

Sonic 3 & Knuckles is the peak of video games.

>> No.8590937

This shows once again why Sega sucks and went under. They couldn't complete this garbage on time for their toy deal with McDonald's so they split the game into two pieces. Sega being greedy as normal.

>> No.8590974

>>8590937
Each half was the length of a full game

>> No.8590982

>>8590974
Not really.
Sonic 1 had 6 zones, with 3 acts each. (18)
Sonic 2 had 10 zones, with 2 acts each. (20)
Sonic 3 had 6 zones, with 2 acts each. (12)
Sonic & Knuckles had 6 zones with 2 acts each. (12).

That's without even mentioning the fact it was originally supposed to be 1 game, but was split into 2 to make release in time for the holiday season.

>> No.8591018

3 had the better levels and better music

Sandopolis is boring shit and the MJ boss track was based

>> No.8591025

>>8590982
Each zone in S3&K is a lot more complex than the average S1/2 zone tho.

>> No.8591534

>>8591025
All I see from you is a lot of cope. It sucked and you got ripped off back on the day. Next.

>> No.8591764

>>8591534
Why are sweaties like this? What makes them this way?

>> No.8592307

>>8590982
S3&K doesn't have acts that are less than a minute long like the first two.

>> No.8592310

>>8590821
Sonicels on suicide watch

>> No.8592312

>>8590895
Post proof of hold right to win gameplay in 3&K

>> No.8592318

>>8590925
Sounds like you had a bootleg. I’ve never seen that before.

>> No.8593687

>>8592312
The TAS controller input file contains:
3 'start' presses.
74 'right' presses.
7 'left' presses.
14 'up' presses.
82 'down' presses.
492 'A' presses.

The 'right' directional input is held for a total of 112,000 frames.
The 'left' directional input is held for a total of 892 frames.

>> No.8593829

>>8590853
this. half of s3's stages are complete dogshit and marble garden/carnival night back to back grinds the pacing to a complete halt. s&k keeps it going the entire time while its fewer gimmicks aren't nearly as awful or intrusive.

>> No.8593846

>>8591534
zoom.

>> No.8593858

>>8590895
yea as opposed to all those other 2d platformers where your character heads to the fucking left

>> No.8594129

>>8590982
Most acts in 1 and 2 are generally doable in 1-2 minutes, where as 3 and S&K acts usually range from 3-6 minutes.

>> No.8594162

>>8593687
fucking lmao

>> No.8594167

>>8593687
A TAS cannot be of any indication about real gameplay.
I am willing to bet Mario best games have an overabundance of right presses as well.

>> No.8594554

>>8594167
Anon wanted proof of Sonic. Nobody is talking about Mario.

>> No.8594567

>>8594554
A TAS is not proof of shit. Who the fuck goes left in any Sonic speedrun? Now post your own webm of holding right to win.

>> No.8594640

>>8594567
> "Give me proof!"
Shows proof
> "REEE! That's not good enough, I want a video of you naked playing the game."

You're an autist, aren't you?

>> No.8594646

When I was a kid, I rented Sonic 3 all the time but I was given S&K for my birthday. I never once connected Sonic 3 to S&K, just Sonic 1 and 2.

Sonic 2 with Knuckles was just how Cybershell described it in one of his videos: "fucking magic". It blew my mind as a kid so I took a step back to consider why the lock-on cartridge even existed, never considering that Sonic 3 was only half a game and S&K the other half.

I finally played S3&K in the early 2000s with emulation only after I kept seeing people combine these two separate games on gaming forums, calling it the best Sonic game. I still think Sonic 2 is better tho, S3&K is too long imo which is why you get save features.

>> No.8594679

>>8593687
You do realize when people say 'hold right to win' they mean while doing nothing else. Your log of inputs is mostly comprised of jumping which outnumber right presses more than 6 to 1. Even if this was scientific in the slightest I hardly see how this proves your point.

>> No.8594707

>>8594640
A TAS is not real human gameplay, not to mention it's just stats with no footage either. Don't be disingenuous.

>> No.8594720

>>8594640
Beat a single level in 3&K through holding right to win. Do it and show us.

>> No.8595818

>>8594720
Hold Right Zone Act 2

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>>8590776
>>8590821
>>8590835
>>8590853
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>>8590895
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>>8590917
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>>8590974
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>>8591018
>>8591025
>>8591534
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>>8593687
>>8593829
>>8593846
>>8593858
>>8594129
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>>8594646
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>>8595818
Sneed

>> No.8595864 [DELETED] 

>>8595860
Sonic SneeD

>> No.8596151

>>8595818
I kneel

>> No.8596343 [DELETED] 

word to the wise, mods ban for sneedposting

>> No.8596423 [DELETED] 

>>8596343
Sneed is in Simpsons Hit and Run and therefore retro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytXudUVkpho

>> No.8596924

>>8590776
Couldn't you just play SnK by itself? I remember if you put in a non-sonic 3 game, you'd get a midlevel bonus game.

>> No.8596932

>>8591534
Back then, us young chads welcomed complex level design. It's nothing like your roblox shit today.

>> No.8596938

>>8590821
Not when Sonic 3 came out. You were cooler on the playground if you had Sega, if not both.

>> No.8596951
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>>8593687

>> No.8597506

>>8590895
>Hill Top worse then Oil Ocean
The rest of the post is retarded too, but this is what got me

>> No.8597549

>>8590917
There's one strange quirk of the &K portion of the game.
No underwater sections at all, not one. The bubble shield's air supply is only relevant in the S3 portion, and coincidentally in every zone except Marble Garden.

>> No.8597617

>>8590776
Yep this was the best 16-bit platformer of the time imo and really still of all time imo. I liked it better than any 2D Mario, Donkey Kong or whatever other mascot platformer was out there.

>> No.8597904

>>8597549
>No underwater sections at all, not one
Another reason why &k > s3. Although I will say that Angel Island did it right. It had some water sections incorporated but it wasn't the main focus so it complimented the stage.

>> No.8597979

>>8597904
Hydrocity Zone is one of the best zones in the series

>> No.8598028

>>8597506
Wait people dislike Oil Ocean?

>> No.8598051

>>8598028
>oil ocean
The aesthetic and stage music alone make it one of the better stages imo.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih8c6I1zH7I

>> No.8598084

>>8598028
Oil Ocean is like a more forgiving but confusing version of Labyrinth Zone. The slides could be confusing if you go in blind.
Come to think of it, the slides in every Sonic game from 1-3K got more complex with each sequel
>Sonic 1 - Labyrinth
>Sonic 2 - Oil Ocean
>Sonic 3 - Ice Cap, Marble Garden
>Sonic & Knuckles - Sandopolis
Sandopolis Act 2 is one of those levels that might take 20 minutes to figure out if you go in blind, but once you know how the slides actually work it cuts the time down in half

>> No.8598158

>>8598028
Its not my favorite because you actually can't "just go right"

>> No.8598159

>>8592318
Others have said that as well but I lived in a small town and my mom almost certainly bought the game at Target. Not sure what to make of it. Was there a standalone game where you could choose either sonic or knuckles?

>> No.8598189

>>8598084
I don't think Oil Ocean has any 'endless' slide parts like the others, though.

>> No.8600368

Well

>> No.8600794

Hydrocity and Launch Base carry the entire first half, if those two stages weren't in the game I'd be skipping to Mushroom Hill every day without regrets.

>> No.8600832

>>8597904
I agree with you in regards to Carnival Night and to a lesser extent Launch Base act 2, but >>8597979 is right

>> No.8600836

>>8598028
I just find it to be kinda boring and tedious compared to most other stages. Plus a lot of stage gimmicks that make you wait, like the lifts and fans. I guess Metropolis has similar problems with the screws but I still like Metropolis a lot more

>> No.8600840

>>8600794
I'd argue Angel Island also does. Ice Cap is decent, but yeah Marble Garden and Carnival Night aren't very fun

>> No.8600890

>>8600840
I think people get too hung up on the music and how novel it was to show Sonic snowboarding to judge Ice Cap Zone fairly. It's not really interesting in play.