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Did sega die because it was the most soulful? At least in that "the flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long" kinda way?
Just seems like they stretched themselves too thin. No one else was making both arcade games and home consoles during their era.

>> No.8572631

Soul overdose.

>> No.8572638

Sega was too good for this world. Notice when they died? 2001, the entire world changed in 2001.

>> No.8572674

>>8572630
Don't worry, their second chance is coming. Sony is floundering hard now, hopefully Sega capitalizes on it

>> No.8572678

>>8572638
But not for they.
Was for the terrorism

>> No.8572680

>>8572674
Sega can't even keep their flagship arcades in Tokyo open. They're in sad shape.

>> No.8572692

Sega fans are bordering 40 they've all fucked off and died already.

>> No.8572717

>>8572680
Sega doesn’t really exist anymore
Their games are made by external studios except for sonic and yakuza

>> No.8572719

>>8572630
>soulful
You have to be 30+ to post on this board. Fuck off

>> No.8572880

>>8572630
No it died because they were retards when it came to actually turning a profit

>> No.8573001

>>8572692
>bordering 40
more like 55,50 ,45,40 and 35 years old

>> No.8573031

>>8573001
Fuck where did all the time went. Makes you feel like a fag for wasting so much time arguing with mentally ill autists eh?

>> No.8573036

>>8572880
No they died from too much soul in a soulless world

>> No.8573062

>>8572680
Sega announced they're completely exiting the arcade venue business in Japan, all of their arcades will be rebranded

>> No.8573063

>>8573062
So Sega truly is dead

>> No.8573081

>>8572630
>>8573062
>>8573063
Sega will continue to make arcade games. Relax.

>> No.8573082

>>8572630
What game is that from?

>> No.8573140
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>allows characters of a Sega IP to destroy the logo of the company

SOUL

>> No.8573160
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>>8573081
Any particular reason why you think this?
It was a pretty niche market already, if they don't even own the arcades themselves and essentially reap all the benefits I doubt making arcade games for another company is really worth the squeeze

Hopefully this means AM2 will be freed from making games for a market only the Japanese can play and they start making games I can play again

>> No.8573171

they were one of the most evil companies in japan
just because yu suzuki and a few others made great games doesn't mean sega was good

>> No.8573179

>>8573171
Yeah okay, but Sega was great.

>> No.8573254

No they died because they made shit consoles and bad decisions.The genesis was an utter garbage, sound was pure shit and the dreamcast was designed to fail.
But I hope they continue what they are good at. Yakuza franchise and Arcade games.

>> No.8573263

>>8573254
>No they died because they made shit consoles and bad decisions.
So did Nintendo. But unlike the card company, SEGA wasn't kept afloat by the handheld/pokemon market.

>> No.8573271

>>8573171
Unfortunately, yes. People have always had bad things to say about them. No matter how much talent they have left, they'll keep making out-of-touch decisions until they finally die.

>> No.8573278

>>8572678
It was only because Osama got a Dreamcast in 2000 and was eagerly awaiting JSRF and Gunvalkyrie. When his informants told him he would have to buy an Xbox, well, the rest is history.

>> No.8573285

>>8573171
Suzuki was a maniac who contributed heavily to their downfall with his obsessions though. F355 Challenge and Shenmue will always be favorites of mine but they were both exercises in excess fueled by the completely unchecked ego of a guy who felt he could do no wrong after succeeding so often.

>> No.8573287

>>8573254
>But I hope they continue what they are good at. Yakuza franchise and Arcade games.
it just announced today that they are leaving the arcade market
rip

>> No.8573294

DAYTONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxxju8gj_CA

>> No.8573303

>>8573285
yeah he went a bit crazy at the end with shenmue but for most of his time there he was putting out classic after classic
I don't even care that he cost sega tens of millions with shenmue that game was well worth it, sega's demise had nothing to do with him
>super hang on
>out run
>virtua fighter
>space harrier
>virtua racing
>daytona usa
>virtua cop

>> No.8573304

>>8573287
I thought they were just shutting their game centers, not arcade development entirely.

>> No.8573330

>>8573160
>Any particular reason why you think this?
Cause Sega already said they will.

>> No.8573336

>>8572719
epbp

>> No.8573345

>>8572630
Sega isn't dead.

>> No.8573353

>>8573345
>Sold 85% of it's arcade business to Genda
>Yakuza creator just went to start a studio with Netease
Sega was a walking corpse before and now they're buried. Arcade was the only identity they had left.

>> No.8573358

Sega is a testament to how backwards and petty Japanese business culture is

>> No.8573369

I honestly hope Microsoft buys them. Sega was begun by Americans and should go back to American hands.

>> No.8573374

>>8573369
If anyone buys them it's Nintendo. Nintendo even released a Mega Drive controller some time ago

>> No.8573376

>>8573374
I wouldn't mind, I just want someone to make use of them. I think Microsoft would be better because the American fan community does fine work while Nintendos output hasn't been great lately.

>> No.8573385
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>>8573294
>he did an F-Zero song for Smash
https://youtu.be/-bSmBl208mo

>> No.8573387

Would you trust Nintendo with making a Sonic game?

>> No.8573397

You don't miss SEGA. You miss the japanese teams that worked for them.

>> No.8573398

>>8573387
No. Nintendo games are dog shit.

>> No.8573401

>>8573160
Sega is still one of the top players in the arcade game industry, also remember that most games in Japan nowadays require you to subscribe to their network services and pay a percentage of each credit you make. COVID fucked everything up hard but Sega's arcade game division is in no danger.
It should also be noted that Konami and Namco closed most/all their arcades down a long time ago yet are still actively making arcade games.

>> No.8573410

>>8573401
I have some sad news anon
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-11-04-sega-sammy-sells-arcade-business-sega-entertainment-to-genda-inc

>> No.8573417

>>8573410
>However, it's worth noting that while Sega Entertainment creates and operates the company's arcade locations, Sega itself still manufactures and sells arcade machines.

>> No.8573426

>>8573417
For now, but considering that running arcades was one of segas oldest businesses it doesn't bode well.

>> No.8573427

>>8573369
>I honestly hope Microsoft buys them. Sega was begun by Americans and should go back to American hands.
No. The Soul of SEGA was in Japan. If it becomes american, it will transform into another Microsoft.

SEGA has the over the top nature of arcades in their DNA, so when the interest of gamers changed to "le realism", SEGA almost died.

>> No.8573429

>>8573278
Underrated post

>> No.8573434
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>>8573401
lolololololol

>> No.8573436

>>8572630
Is clashing egos and high school clique culture at a company actually soul to you? They "burnt out" on over a decade of severe mismanagement, not because they sometimes got a good game out.

>> No.8573443

>>8573426
They're been making arcade games longer than they've been running the establishments. Hell, Sega was originally founded as a coin-op manufacturer before arcades as we know them now even existed.
Japan's real estate industry is incredibly competitive so I can see why Sega would want to drop out of it. Remember that Sega sold their arcades, not closed them so that's a sign that they are still making enough money to justify their continued operation. Even the Ikebukuro arcade that people were making a big fuss about closing last year re-opened literally across the street a few months later.

>>8573434
See >>8573417

>> No.8573453

>>8573426
>>8573434
You're a retard, genda has already ran sega's arcades for the past 20 years. Stop posting.

>> No.8573653

>>8573254
You should die if you think the genesis sounds bad zoomer-kun

>> No.8573720

Have you ever heard of Star Horse, Sankokushi Taisen, Wonderland Wars, or Chunithm? (well, you may have heard of that last one if you're into rhythm games) If you believe Sega's arcade games have been failures over the past two decades, you don't know shit about Japanese arcades. The reason for the Sega arcades shutting down in Japan mainly has to do with falling behind on rent because the building are fuck expensive and the non-operation period from Covid fucking destroyed them. Also a failed cloud service venue, but that doesn't matter.

>> No.8573770

>>8573653
don't feed the trolls

>> No.8573781

>>8573385
Kek
Is that even english?

>> No.8573813

Sega died because most of their game were shallow and uninspired.

>> No.8573837

>>8573063
Jesús Christ dude. They sold the arcades because the pandemic killed them, but just with the franchises Sega owns they are set for a long time.

>> No.8573851

>>8572630
>Sega fanboys will even try to romanticize the company's failure in business as soul
Look, I understand if you won't admit that Mario is better than Sonic, go "muh sword" whenever Aladdin is brought up and claim that Streets of Rage is the best beat em up of all time because the games on the Genesis were your childhood, but glotifying the company itself is just...

>> No.8573852

>>8573160
The arcades are becoming GiGO in Japan. The pandemic was killing it and it's not worth the money

>> No.8573854

>>8572692
Are you 17?

>> No.8573862

>>8572692
Allowing not retro on /vr/ was a mistake

>> No.8573869

>>8573001
what's with these completely arbitrary date ranges? are you on something?

>> No.8573876

>>8572692
In opposition to PS2 zoomers who are bordering 18

>> No.8573885

>>8573398
sega hasn't made a good sonic game in at least 15 years

>> No.8574147

>>8573345
The Sammy merger was optimistic at first when they ported all their Dreamcast projects to other platforms, but for the past 10 years Sega's identity has slowly dissolved after multiple game designers quit and after multiple restructuring

Sega isn't very popular in Japan, other than the arcade chains and the Yakuza series, and the higher ups at Sega-Sammy just restructured both of them. They're turning into Atari after they went bankrupt, nothing but a recognizable brand name

>> No.8574153

>>8573369
20 years ago that would have been based, a multibillion tech giant giving Sega what they need to win Japan. Today it would just mean soulless outsourcing and normalfag redesigns of familiar IPs, buried in multiplayer and MTX

>> No.8574156

>>8572692
I am an under 30 Sega fan.

>> No.8574204

>>8574156
How embarrassing.

>> No.8574207

>>8574156
Based

>> No.8574212

>>8573876
Do you have trouble with elementary math or something. What's with this farce of pretending we are still in 2012.

>> No.8574224

>>8574147
People lamenting the closure of arcades due to the pandemic don't realize jap arcades became nothing but card games in the past decade. No one is going to akihabara to play virtua fighter anymore they want to play moe gacha yugioh.

>> No.8574230

>>8574212
The PS2 was still getting games in 2012 zoomer cuck

>> No.8574238

>>8574224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np5Lya-F7eY
This is what they play in game centers not daytona sega rally. Retro arcades like Mikado are a niche passion project held together by a tightly knit group of friends.

>> No.8574246

>>8574230
Why lie? Zoomers grew up with skyrim on ps3. You are that fucking old, you can't talk your way into being younger.

>> No.8574257

>>8574238
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp3sSp9LuxE
Game Center Mikado have an official vtuber now lmao. Fackin cute capitalism is brilliant.

>> No.8574262

>>8574246
>Children couldn't have grown up with licensed shovelware based on childrens properties like despicible me and spongebob on ps2 thats absolutely impossible

>> No.8574270

>>8574262
It's time to wake up to reality.

>> No.8574306

>>8574224
I lived there for 15 years and saw the decline of the video game side of arcades (despite other shills typing novels claiming the Japan gaming market is at an all time high thanks to Switch). Even in the smallest town there was an arcade with the Sega branding on it. They're basically wiping their name off of the country by exiting arcade venues, which lasted longer than their failed home consoles and unpopular IPs

>> No.8575171

>>8573278
Exactly i wish jsrf was on dreamcast like it should be.
Hope one day comes to pc. Xbox emulation sucks

>> No.8575185

>>8572631
This. Every genre they hit home runs. Except Nights.

>> No.8575191

>>8573160
sick cover
anyone have it without the text?

>> No.8575206

>>8573374
oh god please let it happen

>> No.8575217

>>8572630
SA2 was one of my childhood games, though I was much better at it when I was a kid. I don't know how the fuck I got so good at the first stage.
(Chao Garden became my focus, though. I have fond memories of messing around with it with my mother. Both of us used to love the shit out of that part of it.)

>> No.8575450

>>8575217
Wholesome

>> No.8575475

>>8572630
Speak English, pajeet.

>> No.8575746

>>8573082
Virtua Cop

>> No.8575802

>>8575185
Except NiGHTS is still the best game in the "flying action" genre or whatever you would call it. What other games even are there in the same genre as NiGHTS? I only know Rodea.

>> No.8575818

>>8575802
I don't know why it's so fashionable to shit on nights lately. It's just a flying score attack game. Nothing special, nothing really to hate either.

>> No.8575827

>>8573353
Nagoshi wasn't a good leader and used a majority of sega funds on his studio and fucked over everyone else cause he didnt give fuck about anything else other than his own shit.

Stop sucking that chink loving stick arm plastic surgery cheese gyudon gook, he never saved sega, the Satomi family heavy investment in pachinko machines did.

>> No.8575849
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>>8573851
Sega quite literally did romanticize their death and it fucking rules that they did

Segagaga just being this last minute low budget crossover game about sega going to war against Snoy and saying farewell by longtime sega developers who realized they were going to lose their jobs very soon is pure Soul. No other company will do that.

https://youtu.be/W6GsjgDQ0hE

>> No.8575870

>>8572630
Being soulful and unwise go hand-in-hand. Their demise stems from being far too ahead of their time

>> No.8575912

Maimai and Chunthym are good money makers in Asia so I doubt sega is killing off their arcade game development.

Apprantly Sega Sammy announced there putting a billion dollars into gaming division and are buying studios and reviving old IPs with their new super game strategy.

>> No.8575934

Sega died in the mid 2000s. Pressing F to pay my respects

>> No.8576678

>>8572719
This

>> No.8576683

>>8573263
Nah, both are amazing, fuck off faggot.

>> No.8576690

>>8575934
This, F

>> No.8576776
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The rebranding to GiGO sucks, I just pray that they won’t get rid of the retro floor of Sega building 3 in Akihabara. It’s the only place in Tokyo I’m aware of where you can play Prop Cycle, The Ocean Hunter, Emergency Call Ambulance, Scud Race, Harley-Davidson and LA Riders, Gunblade NY, LA Machineguns … the list goes on and on of the rare late-90s / early-00s coin-ops they have in there alongside the usual stalwarts of Virtua Racer, Outrun, Space Harrier, House of the Dead, etc.

>> No.8576786

>>8576776
Virtua Racing, it’s Virtua R a c i n g

>> No.8576891

>>8575191
yeah

>> No.8577390

>>8572630
They need to port their entire arcade catalogue to console and pc, starting with all the model 3 classics that can’t be emulated

>> No.8577469
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8577469

What was the best first party game on the system?

>> No.8577919

>>8576786
you may need to readjust your purple wig after spotting that typo

>> No.8577931

>>8576786
virtuous racewar?

>> No.8578150

>>8575934
2001 isn't mid.

>> No.8578158

>>8577469
Skies of Arcadia.

>> No.8578181

>>8573294
I would literally sacrifice one of my kids to put this in my garage and play it religiously till I died of starvation.

>> No.8578210

>>8578150
I know what he is getting at, a lot of xbox releases were based off dreamcast prototypes. Toe Jam, Jet Set Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Gun Valkyrie, Spikeout Online, Rent a Hero.

>> No.8578220

>>8573278
Lmao

>> No.8578246

>>8578210
2002, 2002, 2002, 2002, 1998, 2000.

>> No.8578254

>>8578246
Yeaaah by 2005 the Xbox360 was out and Saygur was already completely irrelevant. At least the naomi kept receive games into almost the 2010s so that was cool. Good ones die young.

>> No.8578583

They had a good run but even if they made a console after Dreamcast they would have been forced to make COD clones to appeal to the new market.

Dreamcast didn't need to die, it had good enough graphics. Naomi proved that monkey ball, virtua figher 4 and outrun could have been made for it.

Ever since genesis got successful in America the company became full of suits who were obsessed with capturing the sports bro market, they wanted their console to be the fifa and madden machine.

>>8575934
Made great games like outrun after 2000 but it just didn't appeal to the market despite great reviews. 2002 to 2006 was pretty bad for gaming.

>> No.8578601

>>8578583
Coast 2 Coast is a great arcade game problem is it's exactly 15 minutes long. They tried to extend the single player campaign length with unlockable content but it's obviously just the same short 15 minutes with a task list on top.

>> No.8578614
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THE GIRL HAS NO BRA IN THE JAPANESE VERSION.
You can't unseen it once you notice her top is poorly photoshopped on the US release.

>> No.8578696

>>8572630
They were still bringing out bangers to the PS2 after they died as a console maker. It’s insane what the Dreamcast library would have been like if sega wasn’t shit at business. I don’t think Xbox would had made it at all.

>> No.8578717
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>Like the move that AM2 called "Go To Heaven" where she buries her opponent's head in the junction between her thighs

Peak Sega was full of men of culture, no doubt about that

>> No.8578725

>>8578717
>schizo rubber fetishist
Ahead of its time.