Mac Retro

[Anonymous No.8564057]

Just picked up one of these bad boys with OS9 on it. Are there any Mac specific gems I should look out for? I know Marathon is supposed to be decent, but what other Mac specific games are out there?

Also kids games, since this is mostly for Putt Putt and Jumpstart games for my kid.

[Anonymous No.8564067]

I was able to play MDK, and Marthon 1 on it, 1/2 of Marthon 2, and none of Infinity. I played those games and bleem only. Fucking apple bribed the school so hard they bought them and then the parents bought one.

[Anonymous No.8564070]

Always wanted one of these. Not Mac specific, but you could throw The Sims on there.

[Anonymous No.8564072]

Blizzard ported all of their games to Mac. You can put WC2 on there for the kiddos

[Anonymous No.8564085]

>>8564070
awful computers upgraded the ram and it was still bad, couldn't run its own fucking games

[Anonymous No.8564094]

>>8564085
that's nice but it looks cool

[Anonymous No.8564125]

>>8564057
Ambrosia Software's games, particularly the Escape Velocity games.
You can find a lot of good stuff at the Macintosh Repository.

[Anonymous No.8564179]

>>8564070
Was planning on the sims actually.
>>8564125
Yeah, I was perusing that, bit didn't see a catagory for Mac-specific.
>>8564085
Seems okay. Run Unreal fine. The CRT is pretty old so it's getting dark though (but the brights are still bright, and I dunno what is normal). Gotta adjust the pot and bleed a few more years out of it if I can.

[Anonymous No.8564203]

>>8564057
Blizzard's old stuff is all on OS 9, back when they gave a shit about cross-platform releases. D1, D2, SC, WCI, WCII, I think even WCIII has an OS 9 version. The Quake games play well on that hardware, you can even do PSX emulation with Connectix Virtual Game Station. Other 8 and 16 bit consoles run great with Bannister's emulators, and The Learning Company made some badass edutainment, I love Treasure MathStorm! and Outnumbered!, and of course, Math Blaster.

[Anonymous No.8564213]

>>8564057
These things trigger me. My dad used to buy and sell discarded computer equipment, and he would regularly buy dozens to a hundred of these at a time, and I had to help him load and unload them, though at least they kinda stack, which is more than what I can say about fucking pic related. He had a warehouse full of them at one point. Once they stopped selling, we ended up taking most of them apart and selling the parts for scrap, and trust me when I say opening them and removing all their shit is NOT fun.

[Anonymous No.8564215]

Sims, DOOM, Marathon, Myst, Quake/II. Tons of point and click adventure games. If you aren't familiar, macintoshgarden and macintoshrepository are both great abandonware sites.

[Anonymous No.8564221]

>>8564057
https://macintoshgarden.org/

Have fun.

[Anonymous No.8564226]

>>8564057
I feel like most of the exclusives are shareware games. lots of cool stuff on this channel, and I loved EV Override as a kid: https://www.youtube.com/c/YesterYearsMacGames/videos

[Anonymous No.8564229]

>>8564085
There were a ton of revisions of these from 1998 to 2002, capping out at a 700Mhz G3 with a Rage 128 Ultra. My parents used one I set up for them as their main computer for several years in the mid-2000s, well past its "useful" life. I used to have tons of old Macs in high school and I would put Diablo II on them and provide machines for LAN parties at my house to anyone who didn't have their own. G3 and G4 Macs are really pretty solid gaming machines if you stick to period-correct software.
>>8564213
Of course; they were a cheap, durable educational model built with legacy parts. I'd get one but they're so fucking huge.

[Anonymous No.8564230]

>>8564203
>edutainment
Nice. Less interested in emulating on it since I have better machines for it.
I actually have a CD copy of diablo still, and the optical drive still works on this thing so I'll be putting that on there.

[Anonymous No.8564235]

>>8564230
D1 feels "right" on Macs of this vintage. I use a Mac mini G4 with a hacked custom version of OS 9 as my main vintage machine. DII runs spectacularly on them too, but they never released the final Battle.net update for OS 9, so you can't play online unless you dual boot Tiger or something.

[Anonymous No.8564241]

>>8564215
>macintoshgarden
Thank you very much anon.
Those green ones are pretty popular. Mine has a g4 era mouse so I don't have the matching set.
When the crt does on this thing I'm going to put an LCD in it. Which sucks, comparitively, but if the rest of the hardware is fine I'd rather stretch it's life out a bit. Hopefully some years down the line.
I doubt I can find a 1024x768 15" oled for a reasonable price.

[Anonymous No.8564247]

>>8564085
What were "its own" games? The bundled ones, Bugdom and Nanosaur? I remember their running fine on my Blueberry. Though admittedly I was used to low framerates back then.

[Anonymous No.8564250]

>>8564235
This does have tiger on it too, but I'm going to delete it. It doesn't have a wifi card and is too far from my router anyway, and I don't really care about anything that requires tiger.
From what I hear I can just delete the tiger specific folders, but I don't remember which ones they are.

[Anonymous No.8564296]

>>8564057
I got one of these from work that was bound for the scrap bin. Are they worth holding on to or selling? It came with the original keyboard and the hockey puck mouse, too. Works fully with OS9 and the last owner's data still on it.

[Anonymous No.8564302]

>>8564250
Probably a good call, it runs like shit on lower end G3s anyway, OS 9 is lightning fast when it's not crashing. You could get a clean OS 9 install on it if you have a CD burner on your modern machine, the ISOs are all on MacintoshGarden (which has an intermittently-functional FTP server, so you can DL things more easily from inside OS 9). Otherwise you should be able to nuke the OS X files, they do indeed live on the same disk. A clean OS 9.2.2 install has 3 folders at the root iirc; Applications (Mac OS 9), Documents, and System Folder. An OS 9 install should function with just a System Folder and your Applications. Also Classilla is a semi-semi-modern browser you can use for somewhat reasonable web access.

[Anonymous No.8564308]

>>8564247
Those were pretty much built to run on those machines, Nanosaur rules. Mac gaming from that time-period mirrored a lot of the big PC hits with a large amount of weird indie shit.

[Anonymous No.8564341]

>>8564296
They're not worth too much since they sold so many and are obviously an enormous pain in the ass to ship. If you aren't interested in using it there are definitely Mac nerds in your area who could buy it from you. But as this thread suggests, there are lots of cool games and software you can run on it, and you are on /vr/.

[Anonymous No.8564353]

>Bolo
>Super Maze Wars
>Spectre and Spectre VR
>Avara
unfortunately all the games above were fun in multiplayer, probably not so fun on their own. Pre-OSX Macs had a lot of good multiplayer games for some reason. Same with the Marathon games, although single player is good there too thanks to the story.

[Anonymous No.8564361]

>>8564057
I once spent time on jail for stealing one of those old macs from a public school.

[Anonymous No.8564373]

>>8564302
The guy I got this from slapped classilla on there and some other shit. It doesn't have internet access anyway. I put toast and a few games on so I don't feel like formatting and all.
Thanks for the info anon.

[Anonymous No.8564383]

>>8564373
Ah, that makes sense. Of course, always happy to help in a classic Mac thread.

[Anonymous No.8564537]

Oh, I have a retro mac question. What's the deal with the pixel doubling in Unreal? I have no idea how Mac graphics cards worked or what their capabilities were, but are there any other rendering quirks about them? Also I don't see a way to switch to software rendering.

[Anonymous No.8564703]

>>8564353
>spectre
Just looked up the game, and that big box is dope, but would suck to put on a shelf.

[Anonymous No.8564746]

>>8564125
Seconding this, the Escape Velocity games are amazing, some of the best games ever made. I liked Swoop as well, which was a very cool Galaga/Galaxian clone. Ambrosia Software are super underrated.

[Anonymous No.8564792]

>>8564057
Anything from Pangea Software.

https://macintoshgarden.org/author/pangea-software

[Anonymous No.8564794]

BUGDOM NIGGA

[Anonymous No.8564805]

>>8564247
>>8564308
Based Nanochads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EztzJiH2g9U

[Anonymous No.8564829]

>>8564794
>>8564792
Looks interesting.
>>8564805
Was My Mac supposed to have this included? Did the man I purchase this from gyp me out of a gem?

[Anonymous No.8564846]

>>8564829
>Was My Mac supposed to have this included?
Mine did. It came on the same disc as the OS

[Anonymous No.8564852]

>>8564846
Ah. I don't have the disc. I'll just DL it, no big deal.
Turns out there were a fair few games on old mac systems. When I was a kid we just played SimCity 2000 and Oregon Trail on the schools macs... I don't remember what sort of macs they were.
I bet they threw them in a dumpster when they got new computers.

[Anonymous No.8564875]

>>8564852
A lot of elementary and high schools will do surplus auctions and sell them for peanuts. My mom was a teacher and I ended up with two Power Mac 5260/120s when I was a teenager. I used them a lot since they had ethernet cards.

[Anonymous No.8564889]

>>8564846
The shareware came with certain early iMacs, iirc. Bugdom shareware came on a different iMac revision.

[Anonymous No.8564931]

>>8564846
>Was My Mac supposed to have this included?
It depended on the year/model of Mac. My Dad got Nanosaur with his, I got Otto Matic, and my GF got Cro-Mag Rally.

[Anonymous No.8565267]

>>8564057
Can't think of any specific titles, been a while, but look up games from Ambrosia and Freeverse.

Also, Bolo.

[Anonymous No.8565285]

>>8564057
math blasters
letter blasters
i don't remember anything else from that time period

[Anonymous No.8565289]

>>8564353
>Pre-OSX Macs had a lot of good multiplayer games for some reason.

Every Mac came with built-in networking. I don't know how much those adapters cost back then, but the cabling was just plain old twisted pair phone cabling.

[Anonymous No.8565303]

>>8565289
Apple talk was really great. Very easy to connect two Macs through a printer/Mac Serial cable. You just gave the machine a name in the apple talk control panel, connected to it, and boom, ready to go.

[Anonymous No.8565385]

>>8565303
Sounds pretty nice honestly.
This is the 2nd mac I've owned. The first was a laptop that I just loaded windows on anyway.
It's pretty fun. I didn't care for OSX much, but OS9 is nice.

[Anonymous No.8565389]

>>8564931
How does it stack up to Crash Team Racing and MarioKart?

[Anonymous No.8565396]

>>8565303
Using a serial cable was how me and my friend who also had a Mac used to play. It was so good and simple since you'd just use the printer cable you already had.

[Anonymous No.8565403]

>>8564373

Kate Mulgrew was awesome in Voyager, even though sometimes her character was not. Depends on the season.

[Anonymous No.8565404]

>>8564226
Missed this. Thanks for the YT link and suggestion. Whole thread is full of bros.

[Anonymous No.8566418]

>>8565403
Agreed. But I don't think her character is as inconsistent as people claim.
Star trek Mac games go
Actually, is elite force on Mac?

[Anonymous No.8566668]

>>8564057
Exclusive? Barely anything outside of some shareware-tier stuff. Hardly anything is 'definitive' on it. It has a nice looking and sounding version of Prince of Persia. Has a weird versions of System Shock and Tempest 2K.

[Anonymous No.8566709]

>>8566668
>shareware-tier stuff
That's okay. There are some pretty interesting suggestions in this thread. Some have been made open source and ported elsewhere, but I figure I already have the hardware.
What's weird about the system shock mac port?

[Anonymous No.8566717]

>>8566709
Forced (I believe Apple's integrated MIDI) soundfont and MacOS integration. Hardly talked about, next to no footage, etc. I was told it has CD audio but when I emulated it, it never played in game. Just the MIDI tunes. Maybe it's just bonus tracks outside of the game on the CD.

[Anonymous No.8566724]

Well since your kid's gonna be on it, it's a bit of an edutainment paradise. Pretty neat versions of Carmen Sandiego, Oregon Trail, and NumberMaze.

[Anonymous No.8566821]

>>8564213
Well yeah but in terms of a good gaming experience the emacs are far more usable compared to even the last imac g3s. Got rid of my blue 400 mhz unit once i realized just how clean the experience was on the 1.45ghz g4, especially with the maxed out 2gb of ram

[Anonymous No.8566871]

>>8564889
Mine had a version from before they decided to label it "shareware"; and I think the full (or pre-shareware) version of Bugdom.

[Anonymous No.8566886]

>>8566871
Neat, fortunately the various different versions are in macintoshgarden now. I installed the shareware versions on my Mac since that's what I played as a kid.

[Anonymous No.8566896]

>>8566418
It is! Plus you can find it and the sequel on the Garden.

[Anonymous No.8566935]

>>8566896
Cool. Dunno if it'll run well on my 400mhz machine, but that's could to know.

[Anonymous No.8566990]

>>8564057
If you mean exclusives, there were never a lot; and a lot of the old ones have since been ported, including Marathon.

A few of potential note:
>Ares
Space RTS. Haven't tried.

>Ferazel's Wand
Action side-scroller from Ambrosia, with catchy music.

>Gridz
RTS with garish prerendered graphics. Haven't tried.

>Marathon mods and scenarios
If you finish the trilogy and still want more. See http://archives.bungie.org/ . Some have been ported to Aleph One, but not all, or perfectly. There's also the OS 9-only Aleph One scenario Carlos on the Run; and whatever the latest OS 9-compatible version of Excalibur: Morgana's Revenge is.

>Mars Rising
Shmup from Ambrosia. Haven't tried the original, but the sequel was fun and had catchy music.

>Nightfall
Solve puzzles to escape an Egyptian pyramid. No music (that I recall).

>Pathways Into Darkness
Marathon precursor. Decent story and challenge if you can tolerate slow movement, no music and limited sound effects.

>Prime Target
'90s-thriller FPS.

And my personal nostalgia:
>Beamwars
Tron clone with limited but catchy music and voice clips.

>Invaders
Space Invaders clone by one Simone Bettini, with some fun weapon upgrades.

>Troubled Souls
Spooky Pipe Mania clone.

As for kids games, what qualifies as one? Does WC2?

Other points:
• Upgrade the RAM if you can. Some games (like Escape Velocity Nova) require more than 64 MB; and other games might run better with more (which you have to manually allot).
• Get antivirus, just in case. Someone recommended Virex to me, but I don't really know what's best.
• QuickTime changed its instrument set with version 3. There's a patch to make Marathon's music sound like it used to.
• MacsBug is a good tool for escaping crashes and freezes, and taking screenshots of games. I even used to use it to recover work from memory when programs crashed.
• WannaBe is a good lightweight Web browser for sites that don't need interaction.

[Anonymous No.8567045]

>>8564203
>Bannister's emulators
Any details? https://www.mac-emu.net/~bannister/filemirror/ isn't very informative, and Emulation General Wiki seems to only cover emulation *of* PowerPC Macs or *for* Intel Macs. https://macintoshgarden.org/forum/emulators-classic-mac has some recommendations, but it's a pretty old thread.

I do remember MasterGear for SMS/Game Gear, and Catakig for Apple II. But I don't know whether there are better options.

[Anonymous No.8567056]

>>8564250
You could always use a bridge. But if it's for your kids you probably want to keep it offline anyway.

[Anonymous No.8567062]

>> 8564250 >>8564302
>You could get a clean OS 9 install
Better yet, install a new hard drive and clean-install the OS there. Old hard drives fail, and the stock ones are cramped and noisy. To save a CD, you can probably make a bootable flash drive to install off; or network-boot from an emulated Mac on another machine.

[Anonymous No.8567064]

>>8567045
He's been porting emulators to Mac for probably 20+ years, and yeah that archive page is hard to navigate.

https://www.bannister.org/software/index_emulators.htm

That said, it might be easier to look at the names of the emulators you want to use on his main page above, and then search for them on Macintosh Garden. The names haven't changed, so you just grab the latest version of whatever you need for the OS you're running. KiGB, Nestopia, and Generator all come to mind as my go-tos.

[Anonymous No.8567070]

>>8564057
>>8564215
I was given one for free in 2008. Sadly the CRT portion is going bad on it. You can open the back and connect it to an external monitor if you wanted but not really the same thing. Got Kidpix and a bunch of mac/win hybrid CD games i had in my collection from the mid 90s

[Anonymous No.8567071]

>>8564250 >>8564302 (reposting to fix link)
>You could get a clean OS 9 install
Better yet, install a new hard drive and clean-install the OS there. Old hard drives fail, and the stock ones are cramped and noisy. To save a CD, you can probably make a bootable flash drive to install off; or host a virtual drive on another machine to boot from.

[Anonymous No.8567072]

>>8567062
PPC Macs can't reliably boot from USB without Open Firmware trickery, and even then it's a crap shoot. DDing the OS image onto an SSD is what I did for my most recent rig.

[Anonymous No.8567073]

>>8567070

[Anonymous No.8567074]

>>8567073
Now that's a Classic Mac OS desktop.

[Anonymous No.8567075]

>>8566990
>Does WC2
Oldest is only 3, so probably not. Games like Jumpstart toddlers/preschool or whatever that teach numbers and shapes, colors. Incredible machine for when she gets a bit older (if the machine is still alive then). A few people have mentioned math blaster and the sort. I remember a lot of Mac/PC compatible multimedia games from the era, but not any names.
I'm going to put some other games on there too though, for me.

[Anonymous No.8567076]

>>8567064
"epicMac" says Genesis Plus is better than Generator. Is he wrong; or has Generator been improved since then?

[Anonymous No.8567085]

You can find some abandonware for the PowerPC here: https://www.macintoshrepository.org/games
Filtering by OS9 only, I can see some good stuff: Wipeout 2097, Warcraft 3, Tropico, Starcraft, Baldur's Gate 2, Age of Empires 2, HoMM3, Civ3, Myst, RtCW, THPS2, Sim City 3k, AvP Gold, and Warcraft 3.

[Anonymous No.8567086]

>>8567076
Actually I think Genesis Plus is probably what I used. Most of my experience with these is from the Carbonized PPC OS X days, so it's been a while. I still use his emulators on my modern Macs when I need to check a patched ROM or whatever.

[Anonymous No.8567087]

>>8567074
after using flat panels for so long i forgot how much i missed the rich colors and true blacks of a CRT screen

[Anonymous No.8567090]

>>8567085
Most of this site is just copied from MacintoshGarden, it has very little unique software and there are no download limits on MG.

[Anonymous No.8567094]

>>8567087
and nanosaur of course

[Anonymous No.8567113]

>>8567090
Thanks for the tip. Updated my bookmarks in case I need something from the Garden in the future.

[Anonymous No.8567118]

>>8567071 >>8567072
Never had a problem USB-booting my iBooks. Worth a shot at least.

They could also put the install files on a partition and boot from it; but that'd pass on any viruses the system had.

Does "DD" stand for "direct download" or something else?

[Anonymous No.8567120]

>>8567070
>CRT portion is going bad on it
From what I've read the crt is connected to an internal VGA port anyway. So with some soldiering you can replace it with an LCD. Which kinda sucks by comparison, but it's better than an external imo, and will draw less power than the crt. It'll also make less heat so I dunno how well the convection cooling will work.
It's probably what I'll do when my screen finally shits the bed.
In the meantime you can use a plastic screwdriver the adjust the brightness on the flyback.

Also want to make a resin crt shaped cover for the LCD to get the curve right. Probably just mold the crt when it dies.

[Anonymous No.8567145]

>>8564179
>didn't see a catagory for Mac-specific
Why is that important? If a game is fun and runs well, who cares if you could be playing a worse version through an emulation layer on a modern spyware OS full of alt-tab distractions?

[Anonymous No.8567172]

>>8567118
Yeah it works better on certain machines, I've never had much luck with it but an usually work around it with burned discs or otherwise. And DD is a *nix utility for byte-by-byte copying of one disk to another. For example, I had a disk image of my clean OS 9 install, I DDd it onto a new SSD and stuck that in the Mac, booted first try.

[Anonymous No.8567206]

>>8564792
A lot of those aren't Mac specific, and some might not run on OP's system.

[Anonymous No.8567215]

>>8564341
>/m/fag
adorable

[Anonymous No.8567241]

>>8564805
>chad
Hardly. I played around with it, but never beat it; and then I got rid of all my Macs. I should've at least kept an iBook.

(I could download the Windows version, but it wouldn't be the same.)

[Anonymous No.8567262]

>>8564203 >>8566724
Any thoughts on LucasArts/Lucas Learning or MECC's edutainment games?

[Anonymous No.8567272]

>>8566821
>it cannot boot into MacOS 9, although it is capable of running MacOS 9 applications within the MacOS X "Classic" environment provided by MacOS X 10.4.11 and earlier
Pretty sure you traded off compatibility with some older games.

[Anonymous No.8567339]

>>8566821
Guy who took apart hundreds of iMacs and eMacs here. Don't get me wrong, there was a point where I actually LIKED the eMac. My dad brought home a 1.4 GHz model with OS X Panther for really cheap before they were getting tossed out en masse and I occasionally used it as a secondary, and it was almost as fast and responsive as my custom-built 3.0GHz Pentium 4. It even came with THPS2 installed, and it ran really well.

But yeah, there comes a point where you don't wanna see the damn things ever again.

[Anonymous No.8567371]

>>8566418
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_games, control+F "Macintosh"

>Net Trek (1986-89) - http://fatlion.com/nettrek/index.html
Unlicensed pseudo-Star Trek game. Apparently some kind of top-down space shooter?

>25th Anniversary (1992)
Reportedly classic adventure game. Has a sequel, Judgment Rites (1993).

>Rescue (1993, not on Wikipedia list) - https://macintoshgarden.org/games/rescue
Unlicensed pseudo-Star Trek game. Apparently some kind of top-down space shooter?

>The Next Generation: A Final Unity (1995)
Adventure game from different studio. Has an FPS "semi-sequel", Generations (1997).

>Klingon, Borg (1996)
FMV "interactive movies". Panned at the time, but some people have nostalgia for them these days.

>Deep Space Nine: Harbinger (1996)
Looked up on Youtube. Looks like a first-person adventure featuring stiff prerendered characters, and possibly some brief shooting.

>Starfleet Academy (1997)
Apparently the Mac version is missing cutscenes and plot elements.

>Star Trek: The Game Show (1998)
Know nothing about it.

>The Next Generation: Klingon Honor Guard (1998)
Recall mediocre reviews; saying it was fan-mod quality. Probably more for "Unreal era FPS" fans than Star Trek fans.

>Starship Creator (1998)
Reviewers don't seem to have liked it.

>Deep Space Nine: The Fallen (2000)
Third-person action game. Recall good reviews, and it always looked fun. Read once about an unlicensed expansion pack called Convergence.

>Voyager: Elite Force (2000)
Should run okay, but it's the last one that'll run on your iMac.

[Anonymous No.8567407]

>>8566418
>Agreed. But I don't think her character is as inconsistent as people claim.

I never really saw Voyager in it's original UPN run. But it did air in syndication a lot on various TV stations, so oddly I saw a lot of Star Trek Voyager. I don't think I saw all of it, but I feel like I saw the majority of them. I liked the early seasons the most. And I did like Janeway as a character. But I think when the episodes started to go for ratings grabs, I lost interest in the late seasons. I don't think Janeway as a character was any worse, but the situations she was written in were not so good.

[Anonymous No.8567452]

>>8564203 >>8564215
>Quake
Do those games need a burned CD to play music, like Descent does?

[Anonymous No.8567464]

>>8566668
>Hardly anything is 'definitive' on it.
Mac ports of 320x200 games ran at 640x480, and sometimes added higher-resolution assets. Descent; Doom; Star Wars: Dark Forces; Star Wars: X-wing; Terminal Velocity; Wolfenstein 3D. (Also Alone in the Dark, but it has problems on later Macs.) Another World's best version is the modern one, but the Mac version is higher-res than the DOS one. Dark Forces got mouse look. Descent got CD music. Wizardry got a user-friendly interface. SimCity is Mac-first; I think the Windows Deluxe version is definitive, but it should run well under Virtual PC. Cyan's early games started on the Mac. The Colony is too fast on an iMac, but should run well under vMac. The Marathon 2 engine games are probably best on Mac. Not sure about the Civilization or Ultima Underworld series.

[Anonymous No.8567468]

>>8566935
Ran okay with low settings on my 350 MHz. But https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_350_indigo.html says that the Indigo you posted was also 350, so what model do you actually have?

Sequel is probably out; see pic.

[Anonymous No.8567490]

>>8567075
3 is pretty young for any electronics in my book. I think I got to play with an Apple II at that age, but I mostly mashed the keyboard to make it beep; and practiced spelling a little later. You might consider setting up the Launcher or Simple Finder for them.

You might look into Cyan's early games for them. Too bad the earliest ones will be stuck in 512x342 windows. Anyone know whether Mini vMac supports screen doubling?

[Anonymous No.8567503]

>>8567490
>I think I got to play with an Apple II at that age, but I mostly mashed the keyboard to make it beep
She's clicking around in Putt Putt just fine. She won't be using it unsupervised for a long while.
>Cyan's early games
I will, thanks.

[Anonymous No.8567514]

>>8567272
Some eMacs can boot OS 9 natively, but there are hacked installers to get OS 9 booting natively on unsupported eMacs, late PowerMac G4s, Mac mini G4s, and similar early OS X-only PowerBooks. They make really fast OS 9 machines once you do, and mostly have decent GPUs as well.

[Anonymous No.8567524]

>>8566990
>Get antivirus, just in case
What? No way. I used this computer from 1999 until 2007 and never came across anything remotely resembling malware. And the chances of it existing decades later is almost nothing. You're more likely to get, I don't know, Amiga viruses or something ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.8567553]

>>8567524
>I used this computer from 1999 until 2007 and never came across anything remotely resembling malware.
I thought that about my old Macs, until I tried to copy some files to a PC and Windows Defender detected it.

>the chances of it existing decades later
Do you think viruses need food to survive or something?

[Anonymous No.8567563]

>>8567553
Reminds me that my dad had a floppy disc labeled "viruses" that was just a shitload of viruses for a windows 95 era PC.
I asked if there's anything I should do with them and someone online asked for them. I spent like an hour trying to trick various file uploading websites to let me upload obvious viruses. Some of them pretty malicious.
I ended up tricking mediafire iirc, by zipping them all up, then raring them then 7zing them. After a few layers I guess they can't scan it anymore.

[Anonymous No.8567584]

>Odyssey: The Legend of Nemesis
Top-down RPG mainly notable for licensing the Minotaur engine from Bungie. Haven't played enough to comment on.

Speaking of RPGs, Ambrosia made two called Cythera and Pillars of Garendall. Never tried them either.

[Anonymous No.8567586]

>>8567584
>Cythera
Downloaded this one. Seems like a Ultima 7 clone, but it might surprise.

[Anonymous No.8567607]

>>8567553
I presume most sources of ancient mac viruses are hosted on websites that no one bothers paying for. But you're right, there's probably some out there on those abandonware websites. It just seems insane to me because I've never even heard of one affecting OS 8 and 9. How many resources does an antivirus take? I dusted off my old imac and it's only 64MB. Shit uses over a GB nowadays.

[Anonymous No.8567690]

>>8567524
>>8567553
Most Mac viruses are more common to the earlier Systems, 6-7 in particular. They were rampant though rather benign by modern standards.
>>8567607
You typically run these scanners on demand, not all the time like a modern one. Macintosh Garden used to have a ton of infected files because you can't really tell at a glance, but a lot of them have been cleaned and re-uploaded. I don't have an AV scanner on my OS 9 machine, but I do keep one on my Mac Plus.

[Anonymous No.8567815]

>>8564057
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/f-a-18-hornet-3jo

Played this game to death.

There's a mission where you get to drop a nuke on Saddams Super Cannon. What's not to love?

[Anonymous No.8567930]

>>8567690
That's really cool. Any particular viruses you remember or know about? Were they just annoyances or did they delete your files and replicate through email?
Also, after dusting off my g3, it made a loud crack sound and the display won't turn on. The button is green but no display. Is it just the CRT? Is it possible for a retard to fix it? Is it safe (heard CRTs have dangerous voltage)? A roach came out; was it a roach popping? Seemed too loud. It has been sitting in a garage for over 12 years.
>>8564057
My favorite game besides Bugdom and Freddi Fish was Candy Crisis (formerly known as Skittles). You can play it on modern computers now, by the way, also Bugdom. It's not the same but pretty cool if you're like me and your computer is dead or gone.
http://candycrisis.sourceforge.net/
https://github.com/jorio/Bugdom

[Anonymous No.8567937]

>>8567930
Mac viruses replicated through floppy disks mostly. Usually they would drop the payload into the System folder and any time you accessed a disk the virus would copy itself to the disk, often using resource forks to hide itself. Viruses that came over email were basically unknown in those day, unless it was an Excel macro or something which you'd execute by opening the file.

[Anonymous No.8567968]

>>8567937
Could they affect optical drives? On OS 6 and 7 machines, like you said most of the viruses were found, they would have built in floppy drives, but on my old computer, we had to get an external (it was the suck-in, not the tray kind). I might have had viruses and never known. They just waited until I put in a diskette.
>Viruses that came over email were basically unknown in those day
I thought worms were common, especially with Outlook. Yeah you have to execute a file but I'm certain they tricked lots of old people and dumb kids. Then they'd mail themself using your address book.
Also, did these mac viruses just replicate or what? Or did they damage components? Harmless replication doesn't seem like a big deal, kind of like the bacteria on our skin.

[Anonymous No.8567979]

>>8567930
This guy knows the deal >>8567937, I never actually dealt with any back in the day, but I was a kid using my Mom's Mac and Macs at school. As far as your iMac, the CRT would be dead, but as someone else mentioned interally they use VGA, and some actually have a VGA port on the back under a door, I would see if you have the latter and if so, plug it into another display to verify if the logic-board is happy. Unfortunately I don't think you're going to want to replace a CRT, but if it's working otherwise you could remove it and replace with an LCD or just run external if possible. I did that with a Mac Plus recently, just turned it into a really ugly minitower since the CRT and analog-board had died.

[Anonymous No.8567982]

>>8567968
>Could they affect optical drives?
Well, sure. In fact one particular release of System 6 or 7 had a (harmless) virus included with a copy of StuffIt or something. CD burners existed in those days so I suppose it's possible a virus could be included just like on any other type of file system.

Yes most just replicated, very few viruses in those days did any real damage. Some might display a message or fuck with your mouse or something. I remember one simply inverted all your mouse movements.

[Anonymous No.8568001]

>>8567979
YES, it does have a VGA. I noticed that taking it apart for a dusting. Don't have any VGA monitors around but I'll look for some cheap shit. It might still be alive... this is great news. I also found the original keyboard but no puck mouse, which isn't a big deal, it was awful. And a Superdisk drive. I have no memory of ever using it, so it must have been my parents.
>>8567982
>I remember one simply inverted all your mouse movements
Do the OS 6-9 antivirus programs clean your computer for you or are you doomed to reinstalling to clean them? That one sounds kind of cool for maybe a day then it would get annoying.

[Anonymous No.8568045]

>>8564057
Taskmaker. Or the updated color version Tomb of the Taskmaker. Alternatively play random other older titles that also came out on DOS. They always looked and sounded better on mac

[Anonymous No.8568107]

>>8568045
Reminds me of Castle of the Winds.

[Anonymous No.8568323]

I can mount and install games just fine through toast on os9, but the games don't see the disc image when starting up. Jist gives me a "can't find disk" error.

[Anonymous No.8568426]

>>8568001
A powered VGA2HDMI adapter from Amazon for under $10 will do the trick hombre.

[Anonymous No.8568431]

>>8568323
Try this instead:

https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/virtual-dvd-romcd-utility

[Anonymous No.8568432]

>>8568431
Will do. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.8568441]

>>8568431
Ayyyyy. It worked. Thanks m8.

[Anonymous No.8568602]

>>8567464
>UUW Mac
Doesn't exist. Also, yeah, lot of them did have 480 modes but most of them ran like trash on period hardware.

[Anonymous No.8569007]

>>8568045
Not OP, but that looks like it'd be amazing on a tiny black-and-white screen, but just wouldn't be the same competing with everything an overpowered modern system can do, even a "retro" iMac.

>older titles that also came out on DOS...always looked and sounded better on mac

At first I was thinking of 3D games that had higher-resolution Mac versions, but it's also true for garish EGA colors versus sober (and slightly higher-res) black and white.

[Anonymous No.8569015]

>>8568602
Should run fine on an iMac; unless they run too fast (like AitD or Descent). And my mistake about UUW. Must have got mixed up by the OS X Dosbox-wrapped versions.

[Anonymous No.8569028]

>>8567172
Thanks for the spoonfeed. Could you/did you need to expand the partition afterward?

[Anonymous No.8569038]

>>8564302
My TiBook crashes all the fucking time. Like multiple times a day. Was OS9 that bad and I forgot, or is it because I “upgraded” the HDD with an M.2 SSD (in an IDE adapter)?

[Anonymous No.8569047]

>>8564057
I only remember that the iMac G3 existed because of that fake commercial by a comedian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg7Xh0m_Oco

[Anonymous No.8569102]

>>8569038
Not them, but could be a software conflict or corruption, or bad RAM or other hardware. You could try reducing variables by booting from a CD and working from a flash drive.

[Anonymous No.8569129]

>>8569015
I'm trying to run The Dig and it's running slow. The video plays fine in the beginning, but the game audio sounds like everyone is on valium. Dunno why.

[Anonymous No.8569151]

>>8569129
Long shot, but have you tried giving it more RAM, and/or disabling virtual memory?

[Anonymous No.8569198]

>>8569151
I haven't. Not sure how to do that, but I'll look into it.
Thanks.
I got the Sims running though. Gonna make my real house in it, as you do.

[Anonymous No.8569205]

>>8569102
Shit, i hadn’t considered bad RAM, that would be more annoying to source a replacement for… I had no idea they made PPC LiveCDs, I’ll look for them and give it a shot. There’s also an IDE SSD for sale near me, maybe I should pick that up and try swapping it out just to see. It’s only like $20.

[Anonymous No.8569207]

>>8567464
Note that games like Doom and Dark Forces don't have MIDI support on Mac, which is a dealbreaker in my book. Wolfenstein 3D is also a bad example since it's a completely different game from the DOS version.

[Anonymous No.8569228]

>>8566990
>Carlos on the Run
wtf I've never heard of this, does it really support reflections or is this a bullshot?

[Anonymous No.8569358]

https://www.myabandonware.com/game/step-on-it-3qx

this was the hottest game on school computers in the 4th grade

[Anonymous No.8569360]

>>8569358
https://www.macintoshrepository.org/5955-crystal-crazy

this was also really good, though I got into it much later on abandonware sites

[Anonymous No.8569551]

Soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJQwnN2doVA
Soulless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ1mpI01evk

[Anonymous No.8569552]

Soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SdRNglRr44
Soulless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ1mpI01evk

[Anonymous No.8569574]

>>8569047
Early OS X was …unpleasant. And classic Mac OS just never quite got multitasking.
But how is that the only way you remember the iMac g3? They were iconic and literally everywhere for like 10 years.

[Anonymous No.8569583]

Blender magazine and Loaded Magazine CDs work on Macs.

[Anonymous No.8569632]

>>8564057>>8564085>>8564229>>8566821
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT71HwfiM_A

[Anonymous No.8569803]

>>8568432
>>8568441
You got it hombre, that's what I use.
>>8569207
Don't they use Quicktime Musical Instruments for MIDI playback? How is that not MIDI?
>>8569028
Of course, happy to help. My original image was a copy of a 32GB disk and it went back onto a new 32GB disk, so no partition sizing issues. It looks like you may need to adjust, or you could just make a new partition for your storage and leave the OS on the 8GB volume; probably a lot easier that way.

[Anonymous No.8569815]

>>8569632
>Spent 9 hours of tedium to get a graphical display working
That brought back some bad memories.

[Anonymous No.8570085]

>>8569228
Never tried it myself; and can't even see what it's supposed to be reflecting.

[Anonymous No.8570110]

>>8566717
>Forced (I believe Apple's integrated MIDI) soundfont
Is that bad? Were there any alternative soundfonts for Macs in 1994? I didn't think there were competing sound cards, since Macs had integrated sound from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.8570115]

>>8569205
Not sure what you mean by LiveCDs. I just meant burning a copy of the system's original boot disc; assuming you don't have the original.

[Anonymous No.8570120]

>>8569552
If you insist.

[Anonymous No.8570152]

>>8569803
Dark Forces included a file called "Dark Forces Instruments", so I'd imagine it substituted for the QuickTime one. Leads to instruments being missing in fan levels' music (pic related's "Mac version" replaced it with stock music), but it's fine for the base game.

Good point about the separate partitions. I'm remembering now how I had the OS on a small separate partition on my iBook. Less fragmentation, therefore faster startup, and easier to replace with a clean install if needed.

[Anonymous No.8570232]

>He plays retro PC games without an MT-32

[Anonymous No.8570379]

>>8569632
Pretty neat, but it reminded me I know almost nothing about openBSD.

[Anonymous No.8570487]

>>8564125
Thirding this. EV games from Ambrosia are top notch fun, very engrossing for kids. EV Nova is definitely the standout but all three are worthwhile. I spent so many hours playing those on my iMac when I was 12-13. It’s too bad ambrosia has basically gone defunct—they were active until about 11 years ago, making games and apps, then they just disappeared almost overnight.

[Anonymous No.8570714]

>>8570232
The nice thing about DosBOX is that it you can use different devices for every game.

>>8570379
I heard it's actually the best alternative OS for old PPC machines. It's not too different from Linux.

[Anonymous No.8570730]

>>8570232
Not spending $200-400 on a non GM compliant tone generator.

[Anonymous No.8570875]

>>8564213
That’s funny, if you’d held on to them you’d probably have a fair profit today as they’re pretty sought after as the last CRTs sold by Apple

[Anonymous No.8570879]

>>8569574
Easy, I grew up never using macintosh but that comedy skit reminded me of the silly colored box

[Anonymous No.8571041]

>>8570875
They're not really that sought after, PPC Macs in general are pretty cheap. The '030 and '040 68k machines are far more expensive right now. The shipping costs are so high on PPC Macs with built in CRTs that it wouldn't be worth it to move hundreds of them one at a time. That said, the actual last standalone CRT monitor from Apple is indeed highly sought after, picrel.

[Anonymous No.8571243]

>>8570487
I feel bad because I randomly navigated to their site once around that time, and they gave me a popup asking if I'd be interested in a port of their arcade classic Barrack to the app store, and I accidentally clicked no when I meant yes. Barrack was great. honestly wish I'd sent an email or something explaining.

[Anonymous No.8571272]

>>8571041
>The '030 and '040 68k machines are far more expensive right now.
Makes me wish I hadn't got rid of three. No sense dwelling on it, I guess.

[Anonymous No.8571279]

>>8571272
Same, I had a bunch of good ones but they suffered from capacitor death long before I understood what that was or how to fix it.

[Anonymous No.8571757]

>>8571272
I saw an early 90s macintosh at a thrift store in 2006, it looked to be the exact kind my elementary school had, for 35 dollars. Complete. But I was with friends at the time trying to be cool like a recent high school grad might do, so I didn't stop them from their window shopping and buy it.
Really wish I had.

[Anonymous No.8571764]

I may or may not still have an old SE and an Indigo Blue iMac hiding somewhere, I should go look

[Anonymous No.8571827]

>>8571764
You should. Even if the iMac is kill it'd make a cool case for a modern build.
The one I just got is indigo too. Might be the best color imo.
Fuckin here's a pic. Beati could get in this lighting. The keyboard and mouse are in the drawer. I made a little shelf that sits on the drawers side panels so I can pull them out and use them, since the desk is tiny.

[Anonymous No.8571831]

>>8571827
Lol phone.

[Anonymous No.8572713]

>>8564229
My last 2 years (05/06) in high school I used an old G3 iMac (DV SE Model from 1999). 450MHz, 512MB RAM, 20GB HDD, ATI Rage 128 VR 2D/3D 8MB Video, running Mac OS X.3. Used it as my daily driver. Checking my email, watching shitty videos on Youtube, going on 4chan, Newgrounds, Dagobah (dagobah.net), using Photoshop, Typing, and looking at porn.

[Anonymous No.8572758]

>>8564703

>In a store full of busy-looking packages vying for your attention, Spectre was like an object from another dimension. It was a single plain color with minimal text on the front to explain itself. It was irresistible. Thanks in large part to the packaging design, the game moved far more units than expected — upwards of half a million copies — and soon after, Fryar was fielding phone calls from other curious developers, who were thinking about ordering their own unusual boxes and wanted to learn more about the process.

>Yeo remembers he was actually contacted by someone in the book publishing industry who didn’t even play computer games but who bought Spectre, just because it was such a bizarre-looking item that he had to get it.

https://obscuritory.com/essay/incredible-boxes-of-hock-wah-yeo/

[Anonymous No.8572791]

>>8569358
I still have the floppies, great game

[Anonymous No.8572826]

>>8572758
Yep, if it's got a weird shape, it's designed to not just stand out from the rest, but force itself into that position.
Even if the retailer doesn't give in and display Spectre face-out on the shelf, it's wedge shape makes it stand out on a bookshelf filled with the other big-boxes.

Sears used to make its catalog smaller than the competition so you'd be inclined to stack it on top of the pile (and wind up grabbing it first.)

I imagine Boxxee's shape (pic) was annoying since it forced you to put it on top of everything else, and kept you from stacking anything on it.

[Anonymous No.8572839]

>>8572791
my friends and I used to make levels on graph paper in the vain hope that we'd find a level editor out there someday, I still don't know if there is one.

[Anonymous No.8572862]

>>8572758
On the topic of 90s Macintosh gaming being absolute art, Double Aught won a monthly award given to the websites of highest artistic quality, placing them in the same category of David Bowie's website the same year:
http://marathon.bungie.org/story/oo_o5/infinity.html

[Anonymous No.8573394]

>>8571243
I don't think they would've done anything with it anyway. From what I've read, they were never very organized as a company, kind of a ragtag operation most of the time.

also:
>death of shareware model
>wasted resources on developing various utilities/iphone apps
>modding community that kept renewing the games declined a lot

The last one is sad. There were tons of mods for EV etc. back in the day. There were some really ambitious total conversions being developed but most were abandoned in alpha. One team had a Star Trek tc in the works but it all fell apart--their website is still up, last update in 2009 lol.

[Anonymous No.8573405]

iMacs are gay. Play some Apple ii

[Anonymous No.8573412]

>>8570110
Not bad, really, just unique. Though I think OPL3 was how it was intended. Sampled MIDI playback always seems to fuck up something regardless of soundfont and I think some of the 'noise' in the soundtrack was meant for FM. Could be wrong. If I am, does anyone have an interview quote stating what exactly the music was composed on and for?

[Anonymous No.8573421]

>>8568602
Ya had me hoping for 480p non-ant mode for that game. That jank-ass Ultima Exporter is still the only way to get that. Retro sin: UUW is too rough for me to play, dire need of a decent source port with high res and a control revamp. or a PS1 translation, that version looks great

[Anonymous No.8573802]

>>8572713
Nice, I was using a a 600Mhz "Snow" iMac at that time for the same things.

[Anonymous No.8573842]

>>8573802
>"Snow" iMac
Seems like a decent machine, but compared to the colors I think it looks awful.
A black one night be cool tho.

[Anonymous No.8574146]

>>8573842
It looked nice in person, but I definitely didn't pick it, I think it was just what the seller had when I got it. G3 and earlier PPC machines were comically cheap prior to 2011 or so, as I'm sure you're aware, so I would grab whatever I could.

[Anonymous No.8574285]

>>8574146
Fair enough. I just found that "graphite" iMacs were a thing. They don't look as good as I thought they would. Not dark enough.

[Anonymous No.8575327]

>>8573394
>modding community that kept renewing the games declined a lot
It's really sad. It felt like a lot of games encouraged modding much more then than now too. All the resources for a game were often neatly separated in different folders according to their function. And every other game had some kind of map editor, and often made by the developers themselves. Or maybe it's just because today's games are much more complex. But hell, Avara even used Claris Works as map editor for its full 3D maps, so I'm not sure it's that.

[Anonymous No.8575389]

>>8564373
where do all these facial expression detector things come from?

[Anonymous No.8575432]

Didn't Mac get a legendary PS1 emulator... I'd suggest that

[Anonymous No.8575553]

>>8575432
It's pretty cool, was even featured in an Apple keynote presentation.

https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/connectix-virtual-game-station

[Anonymous No.8576320]

>>8573405
whynotboth.jpg

[Anonymous No.8577587]

>>8575327
A lot of it is that studios don’t want people modding. No one wants to be the next blizzard-DOTA. Ironically, mods like DOTA kept Warcraft rts alive far beyond its expected lifespan.

>Or maybe it's just because today's games are much more complex
Today’s games are like playing a walkthrough movie. Maybe I’m just becoming a boomer, but games were far more engaging from about 1994-2008 than they have been since. It’s sad that games like that are only available via an older machine like OP is doing. Emulation is not ideal.

[Anonymous No.8577770]

Myth
Bugdom

[Anonymous No.8578304]

>>8577587
>Today’s games are like playing a walkthrough movie.
He means complex to make. All the animation smoothing, the fact that maps are no longer made primarily with BSP/CSG, the need for outside software... etc. It's harder to make these dumb movies for small teams.

[Anonymous No.8578324]

>>8575553
Never heard of this. Pretty damn impressive. I'm not planning on using this machine for emulation, but I might check this out for the curiosity of it anyway.
Wonder if any lightguns play nice with it.

[Anonymous No.8580084]

>>8578324
A clamshell iBook with connectix installed would be an absolutely bitchin portable ps1. I wonder what controller support is like under os9

[Anonymous No.8580168]

>>8580084
It's hit or miss, but you can do a keyboard to controller remap as needed.

[Anonymous No.8580171]

>>8564057
I have a copy of Myst on CD for Mac OS if you want it.

[Anonymous No.8580250]

>>8564057
looking at a 400mhz powermac G4 with ram maxed out right now, dude's selling it for peanuts, less than 10 bucks.
anything i should know about these machines? would rather have an imac for space reasons, but the powermac is interesting if it's not some temperamental garbage that keeps breaking or something like that. also can't find any imacs for less than 100 bucks around here.

[Anonymous No.8580268]

>>8580250
PowerMac G3 and G4 towers are reliable and easy to work on, go for it.

[Anonymous No.8580312]

>>8580268
glad to hear it!

[Anonymous No.8580320]

>>8580250
I’d usually say just make sure it’s not the original “Yikes!” revision since those are essentially G3 boards with no ADB, but at less than $10 who gives a shit. Go for it!

[Anonymous No.8580432]

>>8580320
Even then it's likely to still work nicely, definitely a "why not?" situation at that price.

[Anonymous No.8580606]

>>8580171
Sure. Bring it over tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.8580609]

>>8580250
This is what you should do with your G4: http://www.macos9lives.com/mac%20os%209%20lives_005.htm

[Anonymous No.8580628]

>>8580609
I run Reason, Rebirth, and do MIDI "production" on mine.

[Anonymous No.8580647]

>>8564057
Tempest 2000

[Anonymous No.8580662]

>>8580647
holy shit I had no idea this got a Mac port, I've always wanted to play it.

[Anonymous No.8580665]

>>8580662
Me neither until I recently saw a youtube video of it. Seems to be a perfect port
There also exists a good emulator if you want to play it on windows

[Anonymous No.8580669]

>>8580665
Looks like there's a native DOS port as well, neat. I have a Mac this should run on nicely, will give it a go.

[Anonymous No.8580679]

>>8580669
The DOS port isn't great, it lacks most visual effects and the original music. Instead it uses the redbook CD audio or the OPL3. One interesting thing about it is that it also supports the MT32 for music playback

[Anonymous No.8580769]

>>8580606
I wasn’t joking. I guess you could just download it, though. Still, I don’t know what I’m going to do with a CIB copy of Myst for Mac OS…

[Anonymous No.8580934]

>>8580769
Put it on a shelf and make a youtube video with it behind you. In all seriousness that's a neat item to have, even if it's not L@@K RARE

[Anonymous No.8581812]

>>8580769
I'd take it, but I'm not keen on sharing my address across the 4channel.

[Anonymous No.8582161]

>>8581812
I bought a thinkpad on /g/ once.

[Anonymous No.8582418]

>>8582161
>>8580769
Well then sure, fuckit. Email me at this burner email.
frankakeman (at) protonmail.com

Love me the Myst games. Was playing exile just the other day.

[Anonymous No.8582950]

>>8571041
Apple might sell overpriced equipment, but one thing you have to agree on is that they aren't junk. They have some good tech and quality to them. I would never buy any of their computers, but using them at school was such a nice experience with a gorgeous display.

[Anonymous No.8583132]

>>8582950
It's kinda nice, getting familiar with machines that I mostly missed out on. They're definitely solidly made. The slot CD drove is still functional on this, which is more than I can say for most optical drives this age.
When I was younger I kinda hated the round plastic "soft" feel of their stuff, but desu it's pretty nice now. I still don't like the clamshell laptop design, but who knows, in another 5 years maybe it'll have grown on me.

[Anonymous No.8583246]

>>8564057
Nanosaur, anything by Ambrosia, Marathon mods like Excalibur and Rubicon, Spectre, this weird adventure game where you get turned into a kewpi doll by an evil carnival

[Anonymous No.8583673]

>>8567087
That has to be one of the best games ever made. Loved it and Wing Commander

[Anonymous No.8583679]

[Anonymous No.8584008]

>>8583246
ISLAND OF DR QUANDARY

fuck dude, used to play it at school all the time.

[Anonymous No.8584678]

>>8583246
>Excalibur
I know there were a lot of versions of it. Is the M1 version the only OS 9-compatible one with music? Does it sound right under late Quicktime?

Also, it's technically a sequel to another scenario, "Devil in a Blue Dress", right?

[Anonymous No.8584696]

>>8564931
>>8565389
IIRC it's kinda like MK64 but way more slidy/drifty.
I don't recall any drift/boost mechanic though, just slippy physics that feel like rallying.

[Anonymous No.8585069]

>>8567371
>25th Anniversary (1992)
Can confirm that it's excellent. Space combat can be interesting if you try to run and gun with the Enterprise.

>Starship Creator (1998)
As a ship nerd, this game was pretty awesome, though there's next to no content story or mission-wise. I still have a hunger for something like this today, with much more written content.

>Voyager: Elite Force (2000)
It's good.

[Anonymous No.8585384]

>>8567371
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.8585389]

>>8567371
Oh, I've actually played star trek the game show. It's show trivia and it's absurdly niche shit they ask. Like what systems needed repair during the conflict of besariis prime or whatever the fuck.

[Anonymous No.8585426]

I've got an emac G4 collecting dust in my room, is it possible to install linux on this kind of machine ? Is there a way to turn the CRT into an external screen ?

[Anonymous No.8585453]

>>8567371
The list is missing Promethean Prophecy. It was an alright text adventure with some decent puzzles. Like a lot of old text adventures the syntax could be a bit tricky sometimes though. But it felt like you were playing the original series Trek and the mac version was one of the better.

[Anonymous No.8586167]

>>8585426
There's several distros for PPC. Debian, Adelie, Fedora, and Mint, plus a few others.

As far as external, no. There is no video in on them.

[Anonymous No.8586192]

>>8567371
>Net Trek
There used to be (maybe still is) a browser based top down trek game where you had to manage your energy, shield direction, and cloak in online battles. I used to play it but I can't remember the name. If anyone does that'd be nice to know.

This was 10 years ago that I was playing it, but it could be older. No idea.

[Anonymous No.8586198]

>>8585426
Does emac have FireWire? Potentially there may be a FireWire video capture device. Not something you can game on.

[Anonymous No.8586306]

>bugdom
>neverwinter nights
>ghost recon

[Anonymous No.8586618]

>>8584678
Shit mod with cringey map design. The Trilogy Box Set has a bunch of good maps and mods, play those instead.

[Anonymous No.8587625]

>>8586618
>Shit mod with cringey map design.
DiaBD, Excalibur or both?

[Anonymous No.8588909]

The FOV in Marathon feels off. I feel like I'm turning a camera on a pole or something. So far it's not bad though. Little slow.

[Anonymous No.8590468]

Playing Halo on a G5 feels so right and wrong at the same time.

[Anonymous No.8590884]

>>8590468
What frame rate do you get at Xbox equivalent resolution?

[Anonymous No.8591047]

>>8590468
>>8590884
Does it also suffer from the same lazy PC port issues?
I thought Halo was mediocre visually when it came out. I didn't know it was a fucked up port that was never remedied.
Except by fans, for the most part. Might go back and play it, though to copy pasta levels are shit imo. Wonder if anyone ever spruced those up.

[Anonymous No.8591125]

>>8585069
>25th Anniversary (1992)
I had the floppy drive version with no voiceovers. It’s still easily one of the best Trek games (and one of the best Mac games, period). I enjoyed that there were multiple ways to solve aspects of some missions, like choosing to save redshirts, etc. Most of the missions feel like they’re episodes, which is a nice touch. And they are quite varied, from simple mysteries (“Demon World”) to problem episodes like the hijacking, to moral dilemmas.

Judgment Rites, the sequel, is pretty good as well, but I think A Final Unity is probably the closest to the feel with 25th. I love Elite Force, but the p+c adventure games are quintessential Trek

[Anonymous No.8591228]

>>8591125
Elite Force definitely feels like a Voyager specific game. It wouldn't have worked as well in any other era of trek.
I only played the first mission in 25th anniversary, but it did feel like a perfect fit for tos.

[Anonymous No.8591785]

>>8590884
Pic related, graphics are ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
>>8591047
Can't really speak to port issues since I haven't played Halo in probably 15 years and even then it was only local multiplayer since I didn't have an xbox. Haven't noticed anything glaringly wrong though.

[Anonymous No.8592520]

>>8591228
play the rest, particularly if you're a Trek fan. Most of them are very well done, and even the lesser missions are worth it.

[Anonymous No.8594384]

>>8585426
Linux is definitely doable like the other anon said, there’s plenty of options. BSD is an option too.
Me? I’d just stick with either 10.4 or 10.5 depending on processor speed/ram size.

[Anonymous No.8594558]

>>8594384
10.4 is a better bet imho, 10.5 is way heavier and you lose access to the Classic Environment.

[Anonymous No.8594618]

>>8594558
I switched from windows to Mac with 10.5, so maybe I’ve just got rose tinted lenses, but every time I try to use 10.4 I just feel like I’m missing a bunch of stuff. Mainly a decent VLC and any shot at a modern browser beyond what’s left of tenfourfox, but the more I think about it that’s really not that important. I ought to force myself to spend some time with Tiger, I really want to like it.

[Anonymous No.8594684]

>>8594618
I started my OS X journey with 10.4, so I'm likewise biased, but I find it generally more suitable to "retro" tasks. The Classic Environment alone gives you access to an asston of software, and most legacy OS X stuff will run OK on Tiger, but Leopard definitely gets you a little further along with software compatibility. Guess it depends on what you're looking to run, older OS X stuff, or some OS X stuff and somer OS 9 stuff. Tiger is a bit lighter on low-end machines as well.

[Anonymous No.8595128]

>>8580769
>>8580934
Not him, but I miss the big boxes these games used to come in.

My wife likes puzzle solving games so I introduced her to Myst. It’s still engaging and fresh for new players, all these years later. Really innovative and well designed.

[Anonymous No.8595136]

>>8595128
>big boxes

Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.8595165]

>>8564057
I still have my original 90s mac. Used to play so much starcraft on it

[Anonymous No.8595625]

>>8595136
Riven is the best in the series imo, but Myst is great in general.
I never played 4/5 though.
Obduction is another one you guys might like. Sure you know about it tho.

[Anonymous No.8595634]

Seeing all these people with cool machines makes me kind of jelly. My classic Macintosh collection is compromised because my family kept buying compromised Macs.

Performa 6112CD:
>1996, Dad is working at Sears, buys this for $500 out of the dead inventory
>Way outclassed by 1996, by the time he got it the 60 MHz 601 was too slow for most PowerPC stuff, and the shitty 68k emulation made it slower than almost anything with a 68040
>Bizarre video out port that was used ONLY on this Mac made for fun times when the Apple AudioVision monitor died 10 years ago
>but hey, pizza box is aesthetic, and SpeedDoubler exists

Performa 5260CD
>Somehow slower in day-to-day use than the 6112 despite the 40MHz speed advantage
>Looks good but is otherwise garbage at everything
>internal CRT now arcing so computer is useless, but it belonged to my grandparents and I'm too sentimental to toss it

Power Macintosh 4400/200 PC
>The ugly duckling
>Possibly most unloved Macintosh outside the Performa x200 series
>Way harder to work on compared to a 7000-series machine, inside is sharp nippon steel folded 1000 times that cuts you every time you dare pry back the case
>Mom was a PhD student at the time and used her computer grant money to get this, because the university required an IBM compatible but she was a spoiled doctor's child and "needed" a Macintosh
>PC switching function is cool, runs Windows 95 very well, but has limitations. Want to install a new video card? PC function no longer works. Want to upgrade to OS 8.6 and get USB? PC function no longer works. Lose the fucking dongle? PC function no longer works.
>Clock battery is a bizarre format that is no longer made and the computer will not boot with a dead clock battery, hadn't booted in years until I found 65scribe's videos and made my own battery

>>8567464
Based on my experience with the 4400, having run both the Mac and DOS versions, the Mac versions tended to feel more refined.

[Anonymous No.8595653]

>>8595634
>Power Macintosh 4400/200 PC
Hey, this looks the same as the ones my school had. At least the same chassis, or something very similar.

[Anonymous No.8595971]

>>8594618
I switched to Mac with Snow Leopard (10.6), my last meaningful experience with Mac OS having been a Power Mac 7300 with System 7.5.5 (because my parents NEVER update their OS, they just buy new computers). I’m also biased into thinking Snow Leopard was the best version of OSX, Leopard feels unrefined in comparison, and Tiger just feels clunky. But I can understand the appeal of Tiger because of Classic support.

[Anonymous No.8595995]

>>8595971
Snow Leopard was what Leopard should have been but it doesn't really feel "retro", it still feels like a modern OS because OS X has really changed so little; very much ahead of its time

[Anonymous No.8596073]

Mac OS peaked with 8.6
9 broke a fuckton of stuff and X never got the software support to ever make it worth using over Windows XP or any Linux distro

[Anonymous No.8596636]

>>8596073
Unless you need reliable, low latency MIDI or audio, then modern Windows and Linux are still miserable. macOS has at least as good software support as linux since so much of it will compile on OS X anyway. I was never a fan of Mac OS 8, it didn't seem like an upgrade, and then I later learned it was just System 7's next update renamed to get out of the Mac clone contracts.

[Anonymous No.8596814]

>>8596073
OS9 seems okay for me so far.
What is broken?

[Anonymous No.8596890]

>>8596073
Truth. 8.6 was rock solid. I ran DNS and Web servers on the fucker. Never crashed and there were absolutely no exploits for it. It was glorious.

[Anonymous No.8597074]

So I'm a fuckin retard. How do I get these files that just say "PC" in the icon to run on OS9? Or are they for such an earlier OS version that it's impossible?
I have the Secret Island of Dr Quandary here, and it's just asking for an application to run it with.

Also I can't install from a dsk image because it closes out the application that virtualizes the disk drive, for some installs... So I guess I'll avoid that.

[Anonymous No.8597093]

Evening everyone

>>8571757
It's too bad that you missed out on that one. I managed to snag a Performa 6115CD from Goodwill back in 2009. It even came with an Apple M0116 keyboard (before I even knew what orange ALPS were) and a mouse. The whole thing cost me maybe $20. Now I find that thrift stores rarely have anything remotely interesting, if you find something good it's because of sheer dumb luck (this is how I got a Black Dell AT-101... because it looked like any other shitty Dell keyboard). Otherwise anything that looks remotely "vintage" or "retro" goes straight to eBay.

>>8571279
I'm in the process of recapping my IIsi right now. It's a huge pain in the ass but the peace of mind after will be worth it. I don't know how I managed to avoid both capacitor and battery leak until now. It's also interesting how, in 10 years, vintage enthusiasts have gone from "oh the capacitors crapped out, garbage time I guess" to "fuck that, I'm going to spend the next two weekends recapping this bitch".

>>8595634
Yeah I rarely actually used my Performa 6115 because of the weird connector. I had a DB-15 to VGA converter, but not something that worked for HDI-45. Of course I only realized this after getting back home from the thrift store. It was an other 3 years before I took it to a vintage Mac meetup and someone there had an AudioVision monitor, I plugged it in and it booted to System 7.1.2. I finally bought an HDI-45 cable after COVID started... about 11 years after I got the computer.

>>8596073
>>8596814
I've found that, for whatever reason, OS 8.6 is more stable on Old World ROM Macs. My friend had an iMac running OS 9.2.2 for a while and it was largely fine, but when I had OS 9 on my beige G3 there were a bunch of unexpected hangs and errors. Similarly, my Powerbook 3400 was completely fine with 8.6, never had a single issue, and then would act like a total bitch on 9.1. OS 9 also broke compatibility with some programs.

[Anonymous No.8597115]

>>8597074
Wait, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

Typically, the "PC" icon would be shown for a file that the system KNOWS is for a Windows PC. This is because the classic Mac OS uses type codes and creator codes to identify documents, and not file extensions like OS X or Windows. So a PC file won't have a type code, but a Mac file will. The only time I have ever seen files with the "PC" icon is if you are genuinely trying to load a completely PC-centric file, like a Microsoft Publisher file. Or, alternatively, if you're trying to load an MS Word file into an early version of System 7, before you had PC Exchange.

Where did you get Secret Island of Dr Quandary from? Macintosh Repository or Macintosh Garden?

[Anonymous No.8597143]

>>8597115
>>8597074
It's likely the resource fork of the files were destroyed by your PC. You need to keep files in bin or SIT archives and then unarchive them on the actual Mac or you're going to get broken files. Also, manually open things with StuffIt, the type and creator codes the other anon mentioned are often lost when fucking around with these old files, so the system won't know what to do with it unless you say, hey, open this SIT file with StuffIt.

[Anonymous No.8597286]

>>8597143
This might be the problem. I used stuffit on PC to decompress the files...
Well fuck. Guess I'll sort it out then.
>>8597115
Garden. It was just a sit file iirc. Heading off to bed and phoneposting now so I can't check.

Pretty new to Macs particularities. Only ever had a snow leopard MacBook before this, and used Macs in school, but that's all pretty different from the classic experience.

[Anonymous No.8597310]

>>8597286
>Only ever had a snow leopard MacBook before this, and used Macs in school, but that's all pretty different from the classic experience

You used UNIX in Mac clothing, not Mac OS. You're right that Classic has a lot of peculiarities and oddities that are not really shared among any other OS. One of which is this weird way of addressing file types with type and creator codes.

>>8597286
>This might be the problem. I used stuffit on PC to decompress the files
This is almost certainly the problem. Try again in the morning and report back.

[Anonymous No.8598416]

>>8564213
I had one of the 800 MHz models (ATI, USB 1.1) when I was in high school. I bought it for $40 from a junk dealer, probably someone similar to your dad, who had piles of them in his inventory room. Apparently the school board paid him $20 per computer to get rid of them when they were just 4 years old. It was actually very capable in the beginning, good for web browsing, Youtube, school work, porn, Sim City 4, Civilization III, and it would even do Halo and Homeworld 2 with everything set to the absolute minimum.


The shitty performance of some games in Classic prompted me to get a bigger hard drive to dual boot Tiger and OS 9.2.2. I eventually got that thing up to 1 GB of RAM, and it was still quite snappy around the web all the way until 2010.

>>8597093
I found OS 9 absolutely flew on my eMac and it never gave me any issues. I wonder if they made some stability fixes in 9.2 that the older Power Macs never got sticking with 9.1

[Anonymous No.8598432]

>>8564057
I have a question, was there a time where you could build a PC and use an Apple operating system without a problem? Or did Apple always demand that you buy their overpriced, hard to mod bullshit computers in order to use their OS?

[Anonymous No.8598463]

>>8598432
The latter. Apple used to give licenses to clone hardware manufacturers, but that was the closest you’d get. Since 1999 and the OS X (now macOS) era, Apple’s OS has been made to only work with their custom hardware. Hackintoshes are the only way to circumvent this, and they aren’t perfect.

[Anonymous No.8598480]

>>8598463
... What is the most MacOS-like operating system that I can install on anything I want?

[Anonymous No.8598620]

>>8598480
You mean retro MacOS? Haiku gives me that vibe.

[Anonymous No.8599286]

>>8597310
Was 100% the problem. Everything is peaches and cream now.

[Anonymous No.8599427]

>>8598416
The fixes in 9.2 and 9.2.2 were largely to aid Classic Environment compatibility under OS X.
>>8598620
Isn't Haiku a BeOS-like?

[Anonymous No.8599445]

>>8564794
My nigga

[Anonymous No.8600547]

>>8599427
Haiku is, but there really isn't much like classic MacOS. Aesthetically I suppose you could get BSD to look and kinda function like it, but that's still not accurate.

[Anonymous No.8601269]

>>8600547
Indeed, Classic Mac OS was unique.

[Anonymous No.8601427]

>>8564057
Harry the Handsome Executive and Reckless Drivin were two of my favorites from the school computer lab as a kid

[Anonymous No.8601451]

I remember playing this game on our old iMac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFhuIEMV-1M
it was getting crazy in the level 30's and Boom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOmkLGTX7Xk

[Anonymous No.8601597]

>>8600547
>>8601269
I maintain that, in terms of user interface, the Classic Mac OS is still unsurpassed. Everything was crafted to maximize screen real estate, readability, usability and consistency. Every time I go back to using System 7, it feels so clean compared to Windows 10 or even modern OS X.

[Anonymous No.8601613]

>>8601597
Is there a way that I can make folders open in the same window as their parent?
It's the only thing about it so far that feels overly cluttered.
The bar at the bottom should be toggleable from the top bar as well imo, and not just collapsible. Although all that might be my unfamiliarity with the OS.
There's a lot to like though, yeah.

[Anonymous No.8601694]

Were there any exclusives or definitive versions of games released for Mac during the PPC OS X era? Seems like everything released during that time was a port, and usually not very good ports either.
I've got an aluminum PowerBook G4, which doesn't support booting into MacOS 9, and running games under the Classic Environment is a real hit and miss (big emphasis on miss). Alternatives like BasiliskII and Sheepshaver run like crap; Mini vMac otoh runs great but I find it lacking in a lot of features, such as networking.

[Anonymous No.8601709]

>>8601597
I agree entirely, it's truly "clean" in a way that no OS before or since has been.
>>8601694
Check out Mac OS 9 Lives' unsupported G4 Mac OS 9 installer, you might be able to get OS 9 native on that. The OS 9 era for gaming was a time when the Mac saw rather good developer support, so it was just an alternative to the PC at the time, as far as gaming goes. You see a lot of the same games and generally the ports are quite good in my experience. The day mini vMac gets networking support will be glorious, it's the only emulator I actually like using.
>>8601613
You can of course adjust window size using the handle on the bottom right corner of the window, if that's what you're asking.

[Anonymous No.8601794]

>>8601613
>Is there a way that I can make folders open in the same window as their parent?
Closest function I remember is option+double click (or option+command+down) to close the current window as the new one opens.

[Anonymous No.8601805]

>>8601613
>The bar at the bottom should be toggleable from the top bar as well imo
Are you talking about the Control Strip? Command+shift+S is the default "hot key", if I remember right.

[Anonymous No.8601998]

>>8601709
>You can of course adjust window size using the handle on the bottom right corner of the window
No, the control strip is what I meant apparently. I didn't know the name of it, but >>8601805 helped out.
>>8601794
Wonder if there is a way to make that default. I'll remember it though, thanks.

[Anonymous No.8602250]

>>8601805
Oh, totally misunderstood you, didn't realize you meant the control strip my bad. I always disable it, tbqh, was never a big fan.

[Anonymous No.8602539]

>>8601597
Yeah, OS 7 was very simple but effective. I can’t help but think part of that comes from judicious use of colors (or not at all), iconography, and not pestering the user with notifications, update bumps, etc, etc. You could just concentrate on what you were doing with purpose. Once you turn all that stuff off in OS X it feels a lot more “classic Mac,” but not quite. Something was lost.

The OS 7-9 era truly was both the best and worst time to be a Mac user. The OS 9 era that they stretched into the new millennium before Jobs literally buried it onstage was a great time to be alive.

[Anonymous No.8602731]

>>8602539
I heartily agree with all of that.

[Anonymous No.8602886]

>>8601694
>Were there any exclusives or definitive versions of games released for Mac during the PPC OS X era?

Freeverse and Ambrosia had some OS X exclusives.

http://macintoshgarden.org/games/airburst-extreme
http://macintoshgarden.org/games/kill-monty
http://macintoshgarden.org/games/neon-tango
http://macintoshgarden.org/games/gooball
http://macintoshgarden.org/games/redline
http://macintoshgarden.org/games/sketchfighter-4000-alpha

[Anonymous No.8602918]

>>8564057
Weird gem of an edutainment game: What the Heck will Elroy do Next? Not sure if it's mac exclusive, but I've only ever played it on a mac.

[Anonymous No.8604212]

[Anonymous No.8604687]

>>8602731
You’ve inspired me to turn off all notifications on my desktop and shelve the Messages app

[Anonymous No.8604690]

>>8604212
Look at that mf. I love the guy but damn he was pretentious.

[Anonymous No.8605159]

>>8604690
He looked a lot different when he was young.
Always came off as insufferable to me though.

[Anonymous No.8605349]

>>8604687
I'm considering disabling all notifications too, but I use Messages too much, and did even back in the 10.4 days when it was iChat AV and was my AIM client.
>>8604212
Would fit right in with the audiophiles on /g/.

[Anonymous No.8605809]

>>8602539
>The OS 7-9 era truly was both the best and worst time to be a Mac user

Holy shit I agree with this so much.

I used System 7 on a hand-me-down 6100 while I was in middle school (1996-1999), even back then I could appreciate the elegance of the OS and just how easy it was to do things with the computer. Scanners, printers, hard drives, you just plugged them in- no bullshit. But then you had Microsoft Word withering on the vine, the ever diminishing software library as the Mac market share shrank from 8% to barely nothing, and of course the inherent instability of the cooperative multitasking.

I got my own iMac for Christmas of 1999, it came with OS 8.6 and I remember that being significantly more stable. Things were really looking up, Mac software support was on the rise and it wasn’t uncool to have a Macintosh anymore.

I agree that something was lost with OSX. I installed the then-new Jaguar on my iMac when I went off to university in ‘02, I didn’t really notice an increase in day to day stability, OSX didn’t have a lot of software, and it was slow as fuck. The interface felt childish to me at the time and it was WAY less efficient. For example, the dock took up an obscene amount of space on the iMac’s 800x600 screen. After seeing how pervasive laptops were, I bought a Thinkpad T40 the following year and never really seriously looked back at the Mac platform until the M1 came out. I think OSX has really matured in the interim but something was still missing. The constant nagging notifications really dents the productivity gains from using a computer.

[Anonymous No.8607201]

>>8567490
>Too bad the earliest ones will be stuck in 512x342 windows. Anyone know whether Mini vMac supports screen doubling?

Ctrl-M toggles magnification, and Ctrl-F toggles fullscreen mode (which is essential for mouse-driven action games).

[Anonymous No.8607248]

>>8605809
>I agree that something was lost with OSX.
I think it's the fact that OS X isn't an Apple product. It's Nextstep with a gimped user interface.

[Anonymous No.8607338]

>>8607248
It has a lot of Classic Mac OS DNA at its core, alongside the largely NeXT underpinnings. It's very much a hybrid, though it's become less like Classic Mac OS and ever more like NeXT and iOS as the years trudge on. macOS is still a fantastic OS, it's just that OSs in general are far more impersonal and less fun now, which sucks.

[Anonymous No.8607614]

>>8607338
>tfw no more OS easter eggs by clicking an obscure part of the about window

[Anonymous No.8607619]

>>8607614
That kind of whimsy is definitely missing entirely from modern macOS and it is indeed a shame.

[Anonymous No.8607963]

>>8605349
I mean only on my desktop. Obviously I’m keeping messages on my iPhone. But the phone will be on silent except for family calls and in a drawer/out of the room while I’m concentrating on my work. Maybe that’s unrealistic, but I’ve come to believe all this constant buzzing/ding ding from devices has hurt our ability to thrive in life. Just speaking for myself, I remember getting so much more done each day in pre-2010. The days felt longer but more fulfilling.

[Anonymous No.8607987]

>>8605809
Oh man, you should’ve held out a little longer. Panther and then Tiger solved all of the reliability and performance problems with early OS X, and they also had none of the notification/distraction trash we’ve had since Lion. It really was the sweet spot.

[Anonymous No.8608795]

[Anonymous No.8608890]

>>8607619
A big part of it was the og Apple people weren't just programmers. They had interests in art, music, literature, typography, etc., and they put those passions into the product. That's why Windows always looked like shit: it was just a means to an end, almost nobody there appreciated anything more, especially Gates.

Mac gaming suffered in the 90s because the empty suits that took over after the originals left or were fired never had the breadth of experience to anticipate that gaming would be a massive market.

[Anonymous No.8609005]

>>8608795
That's why I have spray paint.

[Anonymous No.8609008]

What are the best kinds of Apple computers to buy for the older versions of Mac OS?

[Anonymous No.8609124]

>>8609008
That's entirely subjective. Are you talking "compact Mac" old, or are you talking "OS7/8/9" old?

[Anonymous No.8609308]

>>8609124
Not him, but how good is OS9 for backwards compatibility? Is there anything to look out for?

[Anonymous No.8609495]

>>8609308
It's great to insanely great for System 7 era stuff and later, it's quite bad for anything earlier. You can get away with some System 6 software but a lot of it will crash, not work right, or look weird. If you like late 68k / early PPC stuff (or later obviously), OS 9 will do the trick. If you want monochrome era software, an actual 68k machine is a way better choice, though mini vMac is literally the only emulator I can stand using because it's so good at running early Mac software.
>>8609008
Depends entirely on what software you want to use as I mention above. If you want the 90s Mac gaming experience, you'll want a PPC, probably an iMac or something from the "Return of Jobs" era in terms of reliability. If you want the 80s Mac gaming experience, you want a 68k. 80% of 68k machines are dying due to capacitor failure, so they can be a bitch and they're getting stupidly expensive. The more reliable models are the slowest. If you're making art or music, both are very cool options.

[Anonymous No.8610278]

>>8609308
I'll add on to >>8609495 by clarifying that OS9 can introduce some odd graphical issues in early PPC games. This is easily dealt with by having a System 7 or OS8 partition.

Overall, iMac G3s are a pretty economical way to get into it if you have the space. Blue and White G3 tower is another good option if you'd prefer something more traditional.

[Anonymous No.8611006]

>>8610278
The blue and white G3s can also be very easily upgraded to a G4 processor if so desired. IIRC all the G4 towers are officially OS9 and up, but the b&w G3 shipped with 8.5.1.

[Anonymous No.8611182]

>>8611006
The MDD G4s can't boot OS 9 without the new custom installer, but they're the exception, almost all G4 towers are OS 9 compatible. G4 towers are also much cheaper and easier to find than the G3s for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.8611528]

>Crazy Golf
I love the 3D renders in this

[Anonymous No.8611954]

>>8611528
Definitely of an era.

I just tested out The Colony, since it was one of those games I've always wanted to see, and it's pretty nuts for it's time. First person, polygonal, the interaction. It even has WASD movement and strafing, though clicky.

Fancy shit for 1988

[Anonymous No.8611960]

>>8611954
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.8612135]

>>8611960
Incredible to think that it needs 4MB of RAM maximum. Modern web pages need more than that!

[Anonymous No.8612141]

>>8564057
Play spin doctor challenge or Sadams revenge

[Anonymous No.8612161]

>>8611954
>>8612135
I think this ran on the Mac 512k too, which is insane. I found it to be pretty unplayable in current year, though it looks damn cool.

[Anonymous No.8612185]

>>8612161
It doesn't seem unplayable to me, though i hope there aren't many "cigarettes are bad for your health" moments.

>>8612141
can do

[Anonymous No.8612895]

>>8608795
>Laughs in Performa

[Anonymous No.8613242]

>>8607987
My parents were still very much in the Mac world so I kept abreast of developments (they had the misfortune of buying their first laptop, an iBook G4, literally one month before the Intel transition was announced).

My favourite version of OS X was probably Snow Leopard. That came preinstalled on my parents' aluminum iMac, and I remember thinking to myself "this is perfect". Everything was well-designed, streamlined, matured, it ran well, and it was incredibly stable. It very nearly tempted me back to the Mac platform. Even though I now own an M1 Mac, I do think that Snow Leopard was better overall.

[Anonymous No.8613550]

mini vmac kinda runs like shit on my phone. It uses 0.3% of my PC's CPU though.
Computers seem so bloated now.

[Anonymous No.8614220]

>>8612895
There were more models of Performa than colors of the rainbow, truly one for everybody.

[Anonymous No.8614258]

>>8612185
lol fair enough
>>8613550
I imagine running a computer emulator on a phone would be quite miserable

[Anonymous No.8614357]

>The best damn version of Tetris ever.

https://macintoshgarden.org/games/wesleyan-tetris