So it's agreed. Ultima VII is the best RPG of all time.

[Anonymous No.8563316]

Not just CRPG - I'm putting it up against consoles as well, and it clearly comes out ahead.

[Anonymous No.8563325]

Oh and the SNES version, which I know about, is hot garbage not worth mentioning.

[Anonymous No.8563358]

>>8563325
>full of censor
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.8563369]

Yeah, the bread baking mechanic really makes the game. Revolutionary.

[Anonymous No.8563413]

>>8563358
Well forget that, it's just total shit because the engine is crippled.

>>8563369
It introduced many things which later became standard in open world games, such as NPC schedules.

[Anonymous No.8563423]

It's certainly one of them. Without Ultima VII, we wouldn't have The Elder Scrolls, Divinity, or Gothic.

[Anonymous No.8563439]

>>8563423
One thing that later game makers didn't really copy was the virtues. It's enough in most RPGs to simply defeat the enemies, in Ultima VII (as in earlier games starting with IV) you should also aspire to be a moral person.

[Anonymous No.8563451]

>>8563316
Wtf is this? Some Tibia ripoff?

[Anonymous No.8563454]

>>8563413
Open world games suck. I guess we have this turd to blame for them huh.

[Anonymous No.8563457]

>>8563413
>Well forget that
I stopped playing the moment I notice that Christopher (Spark's dad) was kidnapped in the SNES version.
>>8563451
Tibia rip off Ultima VI.

[Anonymous No.8563463]

>RPGs
>good

[Anonymous No.8563479]

>>8563463
Hey, buddy!
You're in the wrong thread.
Doom thread is two clicks away.

[Anonymous No.8563486]

>>8563479
this is an arcade chad board

[Anonymous No.8563495]

>>8563316
This ugly as fuck Tibia perspective filters me.

[Anonymous No.8563503]

>>8563316
These graphics are soul, old school pc gamers know what’s up.

[Anonymous No.8563509]

>>8563457
>Christopher (Spark's dad) was kidnapped in the SNES version.
I haven't ever played it but my buddy had it and it seemed extremely half-baked compared to the computer version which I had. I had a 486 with 16MB RAM at the time so I could actually play the game.

[Anonymous No.8563515]

>>8563495
It's a good compromise between top-down for maximum viewable area on-screen, and isometric which gives you that nice 3D effect and brings the game world alive.

[Anonymous No.8563550]

Also sadly Ultima VII (and the expansions) was the last game of the entire series which was produced and finished according to only Origin's timeline. By the time development on Serpent Isle was underway the acquisition by EA was complete and they demanded the game be finished in half the time they had originally allotted. And this started a trend, 8 was rushed to the point that there was almost no actual playtesting, and eventually it was fixed by patching which, in those days, was considered embarrassing and a type of failure that your game was so bad it needed a patch or else you couldn't complete it. IX was even worse, it crashed on literally most of the GPUs on the market on LAUNCH and it was almost three months before a patch was released which fixed that issue, but the game was not only notoriously buggy but also notoriously unfinished. Eventually members of the original UIX team produced an unofficial patch which fixed some of the plot but the engine itself was a shabby mess and it remains buggy as fuck until today.

Also, the endless platform riding.

[Anonymous No.8563563]

>>8563509
All those murders don't happen in SNES.
They are all kidnapped.
I had a 486 DX-33 with 4 (or 8) MB RAM and it run well.
I first tried it in my old 286 and it's sluggish.
>Serpent Isle
Let's kill 90% of the population.

[Anonymous No.8563586]

move over, best Ultima coming through

[Anonymous No.8563608]

>>8563550
Labyrinth of Worlds was released after the EA takeover but it only had a few minor bugs like the servant strike.
Black Gate felt more incomplete.

[Anonymous No.8563845]

>>8563550
Worst part is that I don't think IX would have been good even if they've had the time to finish it, it's just a trainwreck in every regard from the little that I've played it.

[Anonymous No.8563859]

>>8563845
I think they started with the premise of "what if Ultima could become the next Tomb Raider" and from there it all went downhill.

[Anonymous No.8563881]

Ultima 7 is more of an adventure game. The roleplaying parts are practically irrelevant

[Anonymous No.8563935]

>>8563608
Never played Labyrinth of Worlds...

[Anonymous No.8564110]

>>8563586
based martian dreams poster

[Anonymous No.8564236]

>>8563486
Yes this is the arcade child board, for manchildren unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.8565470]

>>8564110
Savage Empire was also good but Martian Dreams was based and on TV at the same time as Brisco County, Jr. Made a good fit.

[Anonymous No.8565521]

>>8563586
>>8564110
>>8565470
Kinda suck that you can recruit Dupre and Iolo.

[Anonymous No.8565560]

>>8565521
Why's that suck? You could always recruit Iolo and Dupre, you always would.

[Anonymous No.8565586]

>>8565560
Not in Martian Dreams.
Even Shamino is only a temporary recruitable NPC.

[Anonymous No.8565592]

>>8565560
>Kinda suck that you CAN'T recruit Dupre and Iolo.
Sorry, it's a typo.

[Anonymous No.8565596]

>>8565586
Huh it's been so damn long since I've played those games.

[Anonymous No.8565638]

>>8565596
I didn't finish playing this game because of this.

[Anonymous No.8565642]

>>8563859
I find the platforming elements worked very well.
Despite the fucked up development the gameplay itself is fine, the main problems come from the plot and initial performance.

[Anonymous No.8565651]

>>8565638
I somehow lost my save file for Savage Empire and never finished it, I did finish Martian Dreams though.

>>8565642
The platforming was too awkward in my opinion because the game just felt stiff to me. I hate that game, it was such a constant series of disappointments.

[Anonymous No.8565664]

>>8565651
>Savage Empire
I had united the tribes and went to the Myrmydex caves.
Never finish it because I got lost inside the ant cave lol.
Tried casting Eagle Eye to determine my location but it's still hard because the tunnels look the same.

[Anonymous No.8565668]

>>8565664
I should've drawn a map at that time.

[Anonymous No.8565673]

>>8565651
> hate that game, it was such a constant series of disappointments.
After Pagan I expected the worst and got positively surprised.

[Anonymous No.8566002]

Imagine how the series would have been if Ultima X Odyssey was released during the MMO craze...

[Anonymous No.8566020]

[Anonymous No.8567617]

>>8566002
It was already dead by that point. Garriott is selling virtual real estate now.

[Anonymous No.8568149]

>>8563369
>take blood from murdered blacksmith
>mix blood with flour for dough
>bake dough
>get blood bread
>feed bread to Spark, the son of the murdered blacksmith
Damn fucking right it makes the game

[Anonymous No.8568469]

>>8563316
What are your reasons?
Because that perspective makes me want to throw up.

[Anonymous No.8568876]

>>8563439
>in Ultima VII you should also aspire to be a moral person
lol

[Anonymous No.8568968]

>>8568149
It fuels his bloodlust for revenge.
>>8563439
Don't remember in U7, but there's a hidden stat called Karma in U6.
You can''t enter the Isle of the Avatar if your Karma is too low.
But I think you can use the balloon to fly through it.
>>8568876
Is this virtue?

[Anonymous No.8569006]

Nah, fortunately RuneScape clears.

>>8563463
>>8563486
Fpbp.

[Anonymous No.8569195]

>>8563316
I put 80hs on it but I played with a guide 60hs, what should I expect about Serpents Isle? I'm in the last part of UU2 and SI is the next game in the series

[Anonymous No.8569218]

>>8569195
>SI
cut out contents

[Anonymous No.8569219]

>>8569195
Make sure you play it with Exult and the SI Fixes mod. It implements stuff that was supposed to be in the game but didn't work.
Don't expect SI to be similar to BG, they just use the same engine.

[Anonymous No.8569263]

>>8569218
>cut out contents
so is it shorter than BG?
>>8569219
I didn't like Exult with BG, I'm going to try it again but I like the (almost) origin™al experience and I'm already used to it.

[Anonymous No.8569282]

>>8569263
there are some contents removed from SI because of time constrain.
better finish the game before you read what contents are removed.
and it's much more linear compared to older ultima games.

[Anonymous No.8569314]

>>8569282
Yeah this why I think this time I will use Exult, I already read something about those fixes and it seems they just fix without changing anything else. That's good

[Anonymous No.8569328]

>>8569314
forgot to tell you that SI has some nasty bugs which make you unable to finish the game.
use the patch if you don't want to restart because of some bugs.

[Anonymous No.8571679]

>>8563503
I like the pixel art but the perspective gave me aids

[Anonymous No.8572080]

>>8568968
There is no karma in VII, but companions will leave if you do bad things. You can get around stealing by putting the stolen item in your companions inventory instead of your own, so it counts as them stealing and not you.

[Anonymous No.8572091]

>>8563503
Based. There's nothing wrong with the perspective once you have adjusted to it. I've met many retarded console fags who get filtered by standard isometric perspective as well.

[Anonymous No.8572102]

>>8565664
>I had united the tribes and went to the Myrmydex caves.
>Never finish it because I got lost inside the ant cave lol.

what the fuck that's literally the end of the game and you gave up?
kek

[Anonymous No.8572694]

>>8572091
The only people complaining about the perspective is on this board. Played VII when it came out. Maybe it's a kid thing because being in and out of Ultima communities I never hear this complaint anywhere from even new fans.