/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8556149]

Thoughts on Chrono Cross? I personally prefer it over Trigger, but I'm also generally not into JRPGs so I was really attracted to the ways in which Cross differentiated from its genre. I do know that a lot of people despise it, though.

[Anonymous No.8556162]

>>8556149
It's a mixed bag. It has a lot of awesome things in it, but probably too many horribly annoying things to make it a really good game. Examples: the fucking battle music, non-existent character development, awkward battle system, ...

[Anonymous No.8556175]

Great setting and overall atmosphere. Fantastic soundtrack. Shit battle theme that disrupts it's pacing and immersion. Narrative that has a massive exposition dump in the back-half (which is actually pretty great imo) and then becomes a quest to collect the magical elemental macguffins in the two separate worlds. Lots of character and very charming overall but rather unfocused. A great game overall but not without faults.

[Anonymous No.8556193]

Godly OST, good story, good combat and characters, honestly I like it as much as Trigger.

[Anonymous No.8556258]

>>8556149
It's a shit game with great music.

[Anonymous No.8556312]

Much better than dragon ball trigger (what's with that shitty artist only being able to draw one face)

Chrono cross has a much better soundtrack, better battle system. Better story,

[Anonymous No.8556330]

>>8556149
i love and prefer chrono cross but i love trigger too.

the only beef with cross is too many characters and there are a few points that are kinda cryptic in knowing what to do next.

i don't knock people preferring trigger. it's a great game too.

[Anonymous No.8556468]

>>8556312
Dumb newfag

[Anonymous No.8556496]

The wonderful presentation smooths over all the flaws.

[Anonymous No.8556607]

incredible game

[Anonymous No.8557760]

>>8556149
The game was always too expensive for me. I wish I had the 500 euros for the kickstarter which just delivered to everyone. Missed out on the joy everyone who loves the game right now and I only have the bootleg plastic toy versions from the pre-pandemic events. Just like the main game, I got a bootleg from Chinatown because it was the only affordable option. Even the stupid Chrono Cross clock the game came with is cheap Chinese plastic unlike the metal clocks of its contemporaries.

[Anonymous No.8557809]

>>8556149
I loved everything about it but I only played Trigger when I was 13, and I played Cross about 17 years later so things like the fate of the old characters and how different it was from Trigger just felt really fitting somehow. It feels very bittersweet like life does when you get older and stuff like Serge seeing his own grave and the couple who buried their kid in Termina probably wouldn't affect me as much if I played it when I was 13.I just generally love almost everything about it though. Music, atmosphere, tone and the story.

[Anonymous No.8557824]

>>8556312
excuse me, sir, but I believe the game is called "homo trigger".

side note: not knowing who toriyama is will get you called bad words around here.

[Anonymous No.8557832]

>>8557760
?
What the fuck?
The guy who owns every game can't afford a game that's like $20? How? Square literally sells them new.

[Anonymous No.8557838]

>>8556193
that upside down PS

[Anonymous No.8557841]

>>8557838
>>8556193
nintendrone here, what's with the upside-down playstations?

[Anonymous No.8557843]

>>8557841
Sony couldn't figure out how to make closing lids.

[Anonymous No.8557846]

>>8556149
It was great but I never got around finishing them after spoiler stuff.
give it a try

[Anonymous No.8557865]

>>8557841
something wrong with the laser that reads the disk.
maybe out of place, so turning the ps upside down sometimes make it works.

[Anonymous No.8557918]

The story is unnecessarily overcomplicated and schizo.
Too many characters to recruit as a gimmick which makes almost all of them feel generic and severely underdeveloped (and turns the entire game into just a collectathon).
For a sequel, it criminally underused characters from the first game, plus dubious choices with ones that they do bother with (Magus?!)
Even the two world gimmick is underbaked and almost all the locations are very limited and feel like scenery rather than being properly developed and "authentic".

Overall the entire game feels like some gimmicky point-and-click adventure game, rather than a "real" jrpg.
Look at pretty locations, collect all the characters, follow the convoluted story.

[Anonymous No.8558176]

>>8557918
>The story is unnecessarily overcomplicated and schizo.


Anyone who says this about videogames will always just look like an idiot to me no matter what.

[Anonymous No.8558267]

>>8557841
She's just a mucky pup.

[Anonymous No.8558323]

>>8558176
When people say this about JRPGs they always mean that the story is pointlessly convoluted, not complicated. All JRPGs have horrible, convoluted stories like soap operas. Doesn't mean they're hard to understand, just that they're written like shit and go all over the place. It's bad writing even if it's for the sake of game design.

[Anonymous No.8558593]

>>8556312
>dragon ball trigger (what's with that shitty artist only being able to draw one face)

I'm not into Toriyama either, but it's weird to call that out so strongly when you're praising Chrono Cross, which has far, FAR worse character art. Toriyama's samefaced people made out of blocks and cylinders are pretty stupid-looking yes, but they are also very cute and charming. That Chrono Cross artist, on the other hand, just sucks.

[Anonymous No.8558974]

>>8558593
>That Chrono Cross artist, on the other hand, just sucks.


First of all stop replying to the most obvious bait in the world second of all shut the fuck up he made Deedlit

[Anonymous No.8558980]

>>8558323
No you're too stupid to understand videogames.

[Anonymous No.8559220]

>>8558974
Kid based girl
Even Harle is better than the girls in Trigger.

[Anonymous No.8559720]

>>8558974
>he made Deedlit
Pretty sure Deedlit started as fat nip nerd's D&D character

[Anonymous No.8559765]

>>8558980
Last minute loredumps are peak storytelling. And to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Chrono Cross.

[Anonymous No.8559772]

>>8559765
Triggerfags NGMI

[Anonymous No.8559793]

>>8559772
>Only Triggerfags don't think that Chrono Cross is a flawless gem and THE BEST GAME EVAH
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.8560606]

Cross is centered around the individual, relegating all grand events to the background. Until you understand this, you will never get it.

[Anonymous No.8560616]

>>8556149
I really liked it, great atmosphere, then I got stuck playing as some cat dude for way too long and got bored

[Anonymous No.8560637]

>>8559220
>Oi! Yer googlin' at me boinkas yer warble mate!
What the shit were they doing...

[Anonymous No.8561286]

>>8559720
He was character designer for the Record of Lodoss war anime you obtuse fuck.

[Anonymous No.8561325]

>>8560637
What accent does Kid speak in the original Japanese?

[Anonymous No.8561332]

I played it as a kid and while it had charm it ultimately dragged me down because I couldn't care about any of the 50 characters and was bummed it had nothing to do with Trigger.

I replayed it a couple of years ago, trying to be more lenient on it and my thoughts were (a) it is a HUGE drag because of the unbearable snails pace of the combat engine EVEN using emulated speeding up of the loading (b) it does suffer from being unable to focus on many characters because of the excessive character pool, (c) it actually DOES have a fair amount to do with Trigger but they're all buried in the lategame which is a weird choice (I think I quit right when I reached the frozen sea on my childhood playthrough), d) the final boss is bullshit and the true ending is even more bullshit.

Anyway, taken on its own it's an interesting game with a quirky style, though I think the huge playable character count was a mistake that adds nothing and the speed of random encounters is unbearable. But it has one of the best OSTs in all of video games.

[Anonymous No.8561369]

>>8561332
>50 characters
45

[Anonymous No.8562338]

You will never be a real chrono trigger successor.

[Anonymous No.8562350]

>>8562338
fun fact: crono is dead

[Anonymous No.8562365]

>>8557841
the original playstations had really dodgy laser placement that was really close to the PSU, for some reason being upside down fixes it sometimes

[Anonymous No.8562607]

>>8557832
That's what I get for being so tired from work, my thoughts and all the backspacing created an unclear message. I meant to say that Square has shifted its target audience, especially for Chrono Cross, away from me towards high-income earners with their products and events. The Chrono Cross kickstarter from a couple years ago just delivered at the start of this year, but I was unable to participate because 500+euros is not something anyone could just spend on a whim, and it was to kickstart it to be affordable. The expensive Chrono Cross symphonies Square held just before the pandemic was where I was able to get the toy which plays Star Stealing Girl instead of Radical Dreamers from the gift shop. While it is encouraging they are doing so much more with Chrono Cross, their focus is on appealing to the wealthy younger crowd: https://youtu.be/qqYEivU9_Bg

[Anonymous No.8562630]

Beautiful visuals and music with an overambitious/convoluted story and mediocre gameplay. The kind of game you rarely see anymore.

[Anonymous No.8562708]

>>8561325
Did they even have accents in Japan? I assumed that was translator license.

[Anonymous No.8562759]

>>8562708
I don't know.
There are lots of accents in English Cross.
Cockney? Australian? - Kidd
French - Harle & Pierre
German? - Irenes
Middle English - Turnip
??? - Poshul
??? - Korcha and his family
Add others if you notice more.

[Anonymous No.8562779]

>>8562708
They don't, afaik. The accents were added with a script on localization, and the translator was proud of the script he wrote.

[Anonymous No.8562780]

>>8562759
The accents weren't actually written in. Its an algorithm that auto applies the accent depending on who's speaking. The text in the game is stored as normal English but "your" gets automatically changed to "yer" if Kid is talking.

[Anonymous No.8562801]

>>8562759
Sounds logical.
>>8562759
??? - Karsh, Zappa & his wife

[Anonymous No.8564752]

I always thought it was pronounced Harl but everyone else pronounces it Harley

[Anonymous No.8564756]

>>8564752
It's half the word harlequinn. And I guess people naturally pronounce "Harle" like Harley Quinn from Batman.

[Anonymous No.8565105]

>>8564752
>>8564756

Fun fact Harle used to look like Harle Quinn in a model people found in a demo

[Anonymous No.8565109]

>>8562759
I think Poshul was talking with its tongue out.

[Anonymous No.8565120]

>>8565105
Damn, it definitely looks better

[Anonymous No.8565479]

>>8565109
PO-SHU-SHU!

[Anonymous No.8565483]

>>8565105
Some people theorize Harle is Kid's duplicate under the makeup because they both share the same fortune but that doesn't seem to jive with Harle's role in the story.

[Anonymous No.8565493]

>>8557760
what is that in the top left?
wtf is the bottom two?
w t f
>>8557832
HUH??!?!
the enix sight hasn't had ps1 shit for months
i could be wrong but i couldn't find shit
i would immediately repurchase if true

[Anonymous No.8565597]

>>8556149
Adore the music. Hate the actual game.

[Anonymous No.8565647]

>>8565483
How so? I don't know if I believe it or not but the parallels are really strong and it could explain why we never see the Another World Kid.

Kid: Spawn of Schala/Lavos the space invader, associated with Sun/Fire, with Serge a lot and marries Serge
Harle: Came from the Dragons of the Earth plus Schala if you believe the theory, associated with the moon, and Lynx's right hand woman and loves Serge too. I think they're the same height?

[Anonymous No.8565654]

>>8565647
>>8565483

Oh also Kids story is about tragedy with what happened to the orphanage and all the other tragic stuff that happened to her and Serge. Harle is a harlequin, a symbol of comedy.