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It's poorly designed. You can feel it throughout the entire game from start to finish. I have no idea why anyone would prefer this to Circle of the Moon. That's all before the retarded double castle bullshit.

>> No.8542657

Yeah it’s pretty tedious. COTM has been its fair share of bullshit but it didn’t actively put me to sleep like HOD and it’s hideous neon sprites did. Aria all the way

>> No.8542669

Is Juste supposed to be Richter's father or grandfather?

>> No.8542691

JUSTE

>> No.8542896

>>8542640
It sucks and I hate how everyone pretends it doesn’t suck, the fucking character sprite is goofy as hell, I hated it as a kid and I hate it now

>> No.8542919

>>8542640
It's innofensive as opposed to COTM which is offensively shit

>> No.8542934

>>8542919
>COTM which is offensively shit
Hey buddy. Just roll in from stupid town?

>> No.8542952

I think it's alright. But don't bother using the whip too much, Juste is a fucking nerd who studied more about magic shit so use subweapons and the various spells and you'll find yourself shithousing everything.

>> No.8542956

>>8542952
who cares, the level design is shit. why are you talking about combat as if this isn't an easy as fuck game no matter what you do

>> No.8542975

>>8542956
I care. I enjoyed hunting down bosses and kicking their ass in the normal mode, and Boss Rush is a lot of fun.

>> No.8543187

>>8542640
>"It's poorly designed. You can feel it throughout the entire game from start to finish."

True: it looks and sounds more like a old nintendo game than a game boy advance videogame.

>> No.8543193

>>8542640

Played it 15 years ago so can't remember but I still listen to the soundtrack

https://youtu.be/-LIZWSapfy8

>> No.8543245

All IGAvanias are badly designed. Take the Classicpill if you want good level design.

>> No.8543289

>>8542640
Might as well just skip to Aria of Sorrow desu. Then Dawn of Sorrow with the luck and no touch controls mods, then Portrait of Ruin, then stop.

>> No.8543370

I must be the only person on the board that loves all three games. They're great pocket metroidvanias. I haven't played through the DS games so I can't talk there. The Bloodstained games are also great. I know CotM isn't dev'd by the usual, but it's still good stuff.

What kinda snobby picky asshole actually hates these games?
>they're not classicvanias!
Okay. Go play one of those again. Try loop 2 on them. You think you're hot shit. Try loop 3 and 4. Better yet BEAT Dracula X. Good luck.

>> No.8543378

>>8543370
>What kinda snobby picky asshole actually hates these games?
I ended up hating them because I kept buying them hoping for another SotN, but they were all cut-down portable games, and they all felt too similar. Even Bloodstained tries, but is not up to that level.

>> No.8543401

>>8543378
Symphony of the Night is lightning in a bottle though. You can tell when you play it.
Certain game reach peaks that cannot be assailed. Consider: Konami's CV team put their all into making that game as good as they could BECAUSE it was JUST another 2D game. They knew that lots of retards would hate it because it didn't have a 3D world, so they bled into the best 2D experience they could.

Harmony was my first actual CV game. Still love it, as well as the bookends around it. When I played SotN for the first time in 2018, my jaw hit the floor. HOLY SHIT THIS IS GOOD.
But, I recently played through HoD and AoS on the Advance Collection and still enjoyed them.

And yes, I love the Classicvanias too. The series has a shocking % of great titles.

>> No.8543867

>>8542934
yes sir. thought I'd pay you a visit lmao

>> No.8543886
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8543886

I LIKED IT
IT WAS FUN
I THOUGHT THE SOUND AND GRAPHICS WERE REALLY NEAT
I THINK IT IS A NICE GAME

>> No.8543897

>>8543370
CotM and HoD just have a lot of major issues holding them back. As does OoE (but that one often gets a free pass because it has a waifu). You should play Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin though.

>> No.8544196

>>8542657
Also HO(rri)D "music."

>> No.8544217

>>8543370
I liked Dawn to some degree but disliked the character redesigns. I also enjoyed Order. I liked Portrait's (extremely short) touch mode. All three are worth a try.

>>8543401
Harmony was your first? I mean this in the least shitty way possible, but when a game is your first in a series, you often see it through rose-tinted glasses. My first was Cv2 and, for example, I will die on my hill defending it against criticism.

>> No.8544239

>>8542640
it's good i liked it
COTM is still garbage tho

>> No.8544284

>>8542640

This was actually my first Castlevania game. no im not a zoomer i just never played these games growing up. i found a gameboy advance at the mall and this was the game inside.

>> No.8544635

does anyone have the "crt magic" castlevania gif? i need it

>> No.8544698

>>8542640
it's definitely the worst of the metroid style castlevanias, the level design is atrocious and it has the worst art, it still manages to be an above average game

>> No.8544923

>>8544698
>the worst of the metroid style castlevanias
that's COTM hands down the most boring and bland metoidvania

>> No.8544938

>>8543378
>hoping for another SotN
That's your own fault. You have unrealistic expectations.

>> No.8544943

I never understood why COTM constantly gets shit on for the card drop rates when AOS is even shittier with the soul bullshit.

>> No.8544953

It looks like a romhack, for some reason the game looks cheap.

>> No.8545027

>>8544943
cotm with the hd collection and knowing which enemies drop cards is kino. maybe these people who think it's boring never fucked with the cards

>> No.8545050

>>8545027
Many of the souls in AoS have drop rates in the 1%-2% range.
Some of them even have drop rates of 0.5%
Nothing in COTM even comes close to that bullshit. Collecting souls if fucking stupid anyways since most of them are just variations on each other (you can throw a bone instead of a spear. you shoot an arrow instead of a fireball)
I think the real reason people don't like COTM is because you can't just out-DPS the bosses and they suck at the game.

>> No.8545071

>>8544943
It's completionists, they need to get every thing there is to feel like they've beaten a game. And it's clear CotM isn't a game your supposed to 100%, with the cards being more of a bonus to add run variation than something to seek out, and that's fine because wizard mode just you all the cards at the start of the game. In contrast, AoS is very much a game designed around 100% it , and the game helps you at it. It has items and souls that increase your luck for a better droprate and a large portion of the map is dedicated to helping you grind, with rooms that have nothing but a single monster type in it.

>> No.8545083

>>8545071
Have you ever actually tried to get all the souls?
You will kill boneheads for 2 or 3 hours before you get it. And that's just one enemy.

>> No.8545098

>>8545050
>I think the real reason people don't like COTM is because you can't just out-DPS the bosses and they suck at the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if the devs decided the game was too easy and "fixed" it by quadrupling boss hp five minutes before they shipped

>> No.8545101

>>8545083
I had like 6 bonehead souls by playing the game normally. If there's something you want to complain about AoS it's how clunky doing the movement options are, because you have to shift through the soul menu every time you want to pick what movement option you want. Contrast to CotM where everything movement related is dedicated to the R button

>> No.8545103

>>8545098
finally the true face of the cotm hater comes out

>> No.8545135

>>8545050
Based anon. COTM mixes the new metroidvania style with some classic difficulty. Some of the bosses in COTM are actually hard. And the arena is brutal since it relies completely on dodging and attacking capabilities with no magic.

>> No.8545721

>>8545101
>I had like 6 bonehead souls by playing the game normally.
No you didn't lol. They literally have a 0.27% drop rate.

>> No.8545737

>>8544943
Dishonest comparison, you get plenty of souls in AoS even if you're unlucky with droprates. In CotM you can go the whole game and get like 2 cards.

>> No.8545742 [DELETED] 

>>8545101
>AoS less clunky than the game with double tap to run
I'm starting to think CotM fans are legitimate retards.

>> No.8545746

>>8545101
>AoS more clunky than the game with double tap to run
I'm starting to think CotM fans are legitimate retards.

>> No.8545761

>>8545746
this, you have to shift through soul menu for movement like only a few times in the whole game, and after you get superjump you dont need to at all. With superjump and black panther you move like the fucking wind and this guy thinks COTM is less clunky
Walljumping is such a fucking forced and janky mechanic, what do you think about that?

>> No.8545895

>>8545721
I just looked into my 100% complete soul list in my AoS file. What the fuck is a "bonehead"? You mean bone pillars?

>> No.8545941

>>8545746
oh god no not double tap to run. i swear you people only play one hour of cicle and give up

>> No.8546269

>>8542640
>poorly designed
Buzzwords.

>> No.8548741

>>8545761
>You don't understand, you can move really fast once you get a soul that you don't obtain until right before the final area
Most of the game you move at jogging speed and entire water area was annoying because of the soul system. Games alright but its no masterpiece

>> No.8548747

>>8543370
>I haven't played through the DS games so I can't talk there.
What the fuck are you doing? Go play them now, anon.

>> No.8549098
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>>8548741
Even before that soul you move in a less clunky way than in Cotm - you have to factor not just the speed of the character but also how big the castle is and how far areas are spread apart - AOS has like 5 times more warp points and with size of the areas even at soma's jogging speed moving doesnt annoy you at all, while in COTM which has just five teleports and clunkier movement even the running shoes wont help. The fact that you get black panther and superjump near the end of aos makes completing game 100% much less of a hassle since you can breeze through unexplored areas and so on. I know aos is no masterpiece but its much more enjoyable.
I like COTM, card system is one of better systems in metroidvanias but the game has a lot of grind going on, and the art style is much worse than the rest of the games. I know, you'll say aos is grindy too because of all the souls, but almost nobody needs all of the souls to enjoy the game - chaos ring is an overkill award - while in cotm you rarely have most of the cards and it decreases enjoyment of the game since cards are much more substantial than souls which are mostly just sprite/stat swaps
HoD is a fine game, i liked the music for chiptune flavour, but the spellbook, although not blatantly bad, is probably the least stimulating of systems - it has neither substance of DSS nor the variety and collectathon of souls

>> No.8550275

>>8542669
Grandpa

>> No.8550363

>>8542691
BELMONT
MY
SHIT
UP
t. Dracula (but not really, though)

>> No.8550374

>>8542640
>>8546269
This.
There ain't a thing called "design" for games.
"""""Designs""""""" are for clothes and other gay shit.

>> No.8550390

>>8542640
I played it as kid and enjoyed it, therefore it's good.

Q.E.D.

>> No.8550503

>>8550390
peak sigma energy post
i kneel

>> No.8550749

>>8549098
You move plenty fast in CotM, and a lot of areas on the map have shortcuts to backtrack to where you need faster. The double tap isn't a big deal, though admittedly future rereleases could just autorun. I prefer the smaller sprites that made the castle larger as it allowed for more platforming and places to explore on a single loading screen.
>Cards are grindy
They are, to the point I believe they didn't even intend to get them all in a single playthrough, instead serving as a method to add variance in each run. Then if you really wanted to playtest certain cards magician mode starts you with all of them.
That said, they should've just given the player the option being to start on Normal or Thied mode from the get go, so if you could handle the extra difficulty you would be rewarded with reasonable drop rates. And then upon beating the game you unlock Wizard mode, Fighter Mode, and Shooter mode all at once to give the player access to the bonus modes faster.
>HoD
It's alright but it loses it's appeal once you have to start actually repeating zones. Has the funnest movement until you jump, but unfortunately the game never really gives you much to utilize it fully. The spellbooks are absolutely busted but that's fine, the game is already easy, so might as well go full power fantasy. Easily the weakest of the GBA trilogy but it's not nearly as bad as everyone claims

>> No.8550801

>>8542640
Is there a hack or something to remove the context sensitive dash controls?
My retarded muscle memory always makes me accidentally dash forward with L when I want to backdash...

>>8543289
>not playing the Ludo of Ecclesia
Anon, I...
Did you get filtered by the crab? The skeleton? What's your deal?

>> No.8550806

>>8546269
>>8550374
You're right, the correct term is Game Planvania

>> No.8550878

>>8550806
I knew you'd get it anon.
I'm proud of ya.

>> No.8551183

>>8542919
This. It's kinda mediocre but not insufferable so. Kind of a sotn lite. Cotm is just shit. AoS is perfect for the system tho. Arguably better than Dos. Even tho Dos has the best extra mode in the series by far, arguably more fun than the main game.

>> No.8551572

>>8544943
Join us Harmony chads. We don't have weird drop rates for gameplay mechanics. All the collectibles (furniture) are all in static locations.