Sonic 3 Complete

[Anonymous No.8526985]

You ARE playing the definitive version of Sonic 3, right?

[Anonymous No.8527001]

does it have and knucles?

[Anonymous No.8527012]

>>8527001
Yes, that's what the Sonic 3 Complete option is.
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_3_Complete#Features_and_Tweaks

[Anonymous No.8527015]

>>8527001
Yes. It's complete.

[Anonymous No.8527028]

>>8526985
Yes and I've also got the android versions of 1, 2, and cd all on this chink handheld. It even plays adventure 1 and 2 but 2 has slowdowns in the beginning of city escape

[Anonymous No.8527049]

>>8526985
is this the definitive way to play Sonic 3&Knuckles?

[Anonymous No.8527052]

>>8526985
No, I play the definitive-er Sonic 3 AIR. Complete is best for original hardware though of course.

[Anonymous No.8527064]

>>8527049
Yes

[Anonymous No.8527109]

Any version of sonic 3 is a 10/10 bit this version is an 11/10

[Anonymous No.8527130]

>>8527109
More like a 12/10

[Anonymous No.8527142]

>>8527052
A.I.R. hasn't incorporated some of the stuff I like from S3C.

[Anonymous No.8527204]

>>8526985
Not at the moment.

[Anonymous No.8527302]

>>8527052
>No option to play Flying Battery right after Casino Night zone as was originally intended
At least there's a mod, but once you know the original idea, the level flow makes so much more sense.

[Anonymous No.8527319]

>>8526985
My only and biggest gripe with this version is aspect raidou. Sounds petty but the mobile ports spoiled me.

[Anonymous No.8527327]

>>8527142
such as?
>inb4 stuff there's already mods for

[Anonymous No.8527427]

>>8527319
They can't get off the limits of the Genesis, it's perfect for what it is. A truly perfect version of 3K would probably be a remake made in the Evening Star Engine with all the AIR options, I guess.

[Anonymous No.8527437]

Is there a Sonic 1 + 2 hack that isn't Heroes? I don't want the Chaotix stuff.

[Anonymous No.8527439]

>>8526985
It has CN>FB>IC, but lacks dropdash and widescreen that AIR has. I'll load Complete if I'm giving buddies emulation advice (its's incredible that this runs at all), but AIR has been the default for a while now.

[Anonymous No.8527440]

>>8526985
>romhack
>definitive
Never saw a reason for it

[Anonymous No.8527446]

>>8526985
Can someone explain to me what Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles are?
Are they completely different games or what?

[Anonymous No.8527494]

>>8527446
Google it

[Anonymous No.8527514]

>>8527440
telling it like it is
sonic mega collection is the definitive way to play those games btw.

[Anonymous No.8527517]

>>8527327
I liked the Super cancel feature from S3C. It sort of trivializes the game but whatever, I already collected all the Emeralds, let me do what I want.

[Anonymous No.8527524]

A ROMhack will never, ever be the definitive version.
I won't scold anyone for playing ROMhacks but just be aware it's still fan-made, not definitive.
>bb-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-ut I need all these custom shit!
OK, I'd rather play Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles standalone as originally released, and there's nothing wrong with that, au contraire.
And IF I feel like using the lock-on technology, then I will, only as an extra, as a curiosity.

[Anonymous No.8527535]

>>8527440
It fixes numerous bugs and graphical glitches, allows you to turn off the super sonic music, allows you to have the level music continue playing instead of restarting when you die, gives Super Sonic unique sprites for those times when he's just base Sonic but yellow, brings back the level layouts from Sonic 3 so that the original difficulty is intact, has a better level select/sound test screen that even functions better, you can bring Knuckles and Tails to the Doomsday Zone without them being a glitchy mess, you can beat the first Death Egg boss as Knuckles, Big Arms is restored for the Sonic route of Launch Base Zone act 2, super transformations are now activated by pressing a different button after jumping so you can still use second abilities and save it for later, there is an option to deactivate the super form when you want to, allows you to pick the mini boss theme that you want to hear, and various optional shit to make the game feel better for you. Why is the original better? Just because it's a rom hack does not mean it can't be better.

[Anonymous No.8527542]

>>8527427
what the heck is evening star engine

[Anonymous No.8527543]

>>8527446
Development of Sonic 3 was running long, so to not miss their release date they compromised their vision for the game and released it in a half finished state.
Then they released the rest of the game later, and made it so you could link them together to create the whole game they intended to release in the first place.

[Anonymous No.8527546]

>>8527535
>deletes soul, enables you to cheat
Nah I'm good

[Anonymous No.8527547]

>>8527524
You don't even gotta play it with all the custom shit, you can always turn that stuff off and play it like the originals, but it also fixes shit that the developers would have fixed themselves if given the time so that the game can have better presentation and function better. Even restores the original difficulty of the Sonic 3 levels. There's no reason to say the original is better unless you're that much of a purist.

[Anonymous No.8527552]

>>8527542
It's what the Retro Engine is called now.

I don't blame you for not knowing. People just started using the term out of nowhere without associating it with Christian Whitehead.

[Anonymous No.8527562]

>>8527547
>he developers would have fixed themselves
bs
Just play the originals as originally released. they're classics for a reason.
Or, play Complte romhack, I don't care, just don't force your romhacky shit onto others.
Sega Genesis forever.

[Anonymous No.8527578]

>>8527562
Yes cause the developers intended for Robotnik to appear on Knuckles' route instead of Egg Robo, for the game to be split, and for Super Sonic to have visual glitches and not have its own custom sprites during gimmicks. If you wanna play the originals as is, go ahead, but don't be delusional.

[Anonymous No.8527591]

>>8527546
You do you then, it doesn't really matter how you want to have fun in the end.

[Anonymous No.8527603]

>>8527578
YES.jpeg

[Anonymous No.8527623]

>>8527591
I'm that guy, and, based.

[Anonymous No.8527714]

>>8527535
None of this sounds definitive it just sounds autistic and not the sonic 3 vision. How the fuck is that supposed to be definitive?

[Anonymous No.8527786]

>>8527714
More than half the shit I mentioned is either restoring stuff that was in the standalone Sonic 3 or objective glitch fixes. And all of it is optional. How is restoring the original difficulty, restoring big arms, giving super sonic better sprites, and fixing genuine minor issues contrary to the "Sonic 3 vision"? Stuff like having no super music, turning off super form, and other shit that wasn't intended is all completely optional content that's only there if you want to play the game differently for once. At the most basic level, it objectively improves and restores the game and gives you the options (keyword) to play it differently. I'd consider that definitive, but if you just like playing the originals with all the glitches and bugs (because that stuff is its own kind of fun, too) then that's fine. Play it how you want.

[Anonymous No.8527792]

>>8526985
Honestly, I played this purely motivated by the idea of Knuckles' original Sonic 3 music playing throughout the entirity of Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

While I found that gratifying, it was great as a whole.

[Anonymous No.8527853]

>>8527786
A random autist attempt at "restoring" what devs didn't intend to have in the final product is not definitive.
Keyword: definitive
You used the word

[Anonymous No.8527883]

>>8527853
Sorry, I should have used the word "better"

[Anonymous No.8528030]

>>8527517
>super cancel
literally been in sonic 3 air for over a year at least (pretty sure it was there when all zones were completed)
https://ia801806.us.archive.org/2/items/sonic-3-a.i.r.-windows-summer-upate-2020-v20.07.24.0/sonic3air_game/Manual.pdf

[Anonymous No.8528068]

>>8527552
>>8527427
no, a truly perfect version of any classic sonic game would use the original engine and not "i can't believe it's not naka" with all it's collision and crushing death issues

[Anonymous No.8528093]

>>8527883
Perhaps, one should play the original first though

[Anonymous No.8528110]

>>8526985
The only thing on it that I can't live without is having the original Sonic 3 music throughout the whole thing. With the fact you can disable every other change if you want to for some reason that alone makes it the only way Sonic 3 should be played nowadays.

[Anonymous No.8528138]

It's okay, I don't think it's as much of a game changer as people make it out to be, I'd rather a hack add in interesting stuff that wasn't in the original game. Sonic Classic Heroes will always be my favorite hack for this reason, you can treat it just like vanilla Sonic 1 or 2 if you prefer.. but once again incompetent update schedule.

[Anonymous No.8528160]

>>8528093
I did, multiple times

[Anonymous No.8528170]

>>8528093
Well that I agree with 100%. I always play vanilla before playing improvement hacks for ANY game.

[Anonymous No.8528181]

>>8527302
I used to defend CNZ>FBZ>ICZ but realized moving FBZ back there weakens the & Knuckles half of the game. I usually take a break in playthroughs after LBZ these days and going MHZ>SZ bums me out lol

[Anonymous No.8528182]

>>8528138
>I'd rather a hack add in interesting stuff that wasn't in the original game
I mean, it does do that plus some external patches you can apply to really change up the gameplay, but I get you.

[Anonymous No.8528205]

>>8527524
Enjoy listening to the invincibility music on repeat for the entire game once you get super sonic

[Anonymous No.8528232]

>>8528138
Sonic Classic Heroes is a great hack but I have a few gripes with it:
>You can't change the first party member when going through the save file options
>You can't turn off the new shields
>No option to play with the Sonic 1 or 2 character sprites

[Anonymous No.8528285]

>>8528181
I think moving Flying Battery to the S&K half was a better decision in the long run.

[Anonymous No.8528467]

>>8527591
>You do you

Isn't that a Justin Beaver song?
Or is it just another way of saying, "go fuck yourself?"

[Anonymous No.8528473]

>cling cling zazoom shit
no thanks.

[Anonymous No.8528503]

Either that or Sonic 3 A.I.R.
S3C for a more native experience and S3 A.I.R. for a more bells and whistles update with widescreen/60FPS and such.

>>8528232
I love Sonic Classic Heroes, honestly my favorite way to play through Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 back to back these days, but yep there's definitely some quirks with it that annoy me every time I play. Random bits of geometry that're no-pass for some reason making jumping harder then it needs to sometimes and underwater jumping can be finicky, specially around switches like in Labyrinth Zone. Which the guy behind it would update it but it seems like it's in dev hell.

[Anonymous No.8528667]

>>8528285
>>8528181
that's why you do both, lads
behold: the perfect level order

[Anonymous No.8528702]

Rom hacks with QOL improvements and plenty of options are a good thing. They make these dated and shallow games more playable in modern times. You would understand this if you tried to think without your nostalgia filter. Refusing to play them in favor of the original is just plain ignorant if not autistic. S3&K is outdated. S3&K is purposeless while Sonic 3 Complete exists. Stop insisting on playing the original unless you want to look like a complete retard.

[Anonymous No.8528738]

>>8526985
Why the fuck are you not playing AIR in 2022
https://sonic3air.org/

[Anonymous No.8528771]

>supposed best game in the series is an unofficial stapling of 2 commercially released games together but even that is still not enough so you have an assortment of trannies rom hacking them and making tranny repackages of it with a thousand custom dials and buttons

The absolute state of Classicfags.

When I say the best Mario game is SMB3, I do mean just "SMB3". Not "SMB3: Complete Edition".

[Anonymous No.8528812]

>>8528771
i'm sorry that no one is making an awesome PC native smb3 version with widescreen and shit anon but you don't have to be so upset about it

[Anonymous No.8529128]

>>8528232
The most annoying thing about SCH is that thing where you can ball up when falling. If you could turn that off it'd be great.

[Anonymous No.8529140]

>>8528473
Is this the new soiposting or just our personal variant of it?

[Anonymous No.8529160]

>>8527437
>Is there a Sonic 1 + 2 hack
It's literally called Sonic 1 and 2
https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_1_and_2
It's from before it was combined with Sonic 2 Heroes

[Anonymous No.8529179]

>>8528771
>Not "SMB3: Complete Edition"
Yeah, it's SMB3: Definitive Edition

[Anonymous No.8529181]

>>8529179
>>8528771
Or maybe Super Mario All Stars NES which combines all NES Mario platformers and adds saving.

[Anonymous No.8529229]

>>8529181
Would be neat if they added the recent SMB Special NES conversion to the mix. Arguably better than Lost Levels.

[Anonymous No.8529232]

>>8527546
I love "lol didn't read" responses so much

[Anonymous No.8529242]

I don't remember if A.I.R. included the Sonic Jam layouts.

[Anonymous No.8529245]

>>8527012
nerd

[Anonymous No.8529267]

>>8529245
If you're on this board then you're a massive fucking nerd already

[Anonymous No.8529275]

>>8529128
I personally love that feature

[Anonymous No.8529602]

>>8527446
Sonic 3 and Knuckles was originally envisioned to be a single full game with roughly 11-12 full zones, the true "Sonic 3" envisioned by the developers. Due to scoring a strictly timed Happy Meal promotion with McDonalds, a 6 zone game made with whatever they could finish in time was released, henceforth referred to as "Sonic 3 Alone."
The other half of game would be released later that year as another cartridge, "Sonic and Knuckles." This cartridge was very special, as it was built with an slot on top of it where you can stick a second cartridge for it to read nearly every Genesis game up to that point. Most games you plugged in would generate a Special Stage uniquely tied to the cartridge. Plugging in Sonic 2 would let you play as Knuckles with all his abilities in Sonic 2.
Plugging Sonic 3 Alone into Sonic and Knuckles effectively merges the two halves into the full length game it was always meant to be, now titled "Sonic 3 and Knuckles."

[Anonymous No.8529673]

>>8528503
Lol it actually did get an update a few days ago... Bugfixes and minor QoL shit. Sonic has the drop dash now. Wish he'd add some new teams already, and/or get permission from the Sonic 2 Pink Edition guy to add in his extra levels. Then again, I don't have any IRL friends to play Classic Heroes with right now so whatever. I wish I did though, combi-mode is fun as fuck and delivers on Chaotix's squandered potential.

>>8528667
Now this is a good idea. Hope some based modder makes it happen.

[Anonymous No.8529775]

Does this one have the option of using drop dash like from Mania?

[Anonymous No.8529783]

>>8527028
Why would you play games meant for TV on a handheld?

[Anonymous No.8529814]

>>8529775
Complete doesn't, it's developer stopped working on it forever ago and handed off it's source to some other guy who's just been sitting on it afaik. AIR has it as an in-game unlockable tho

[Anonymous No.8529831]

>>8526985
Have they added in drop dash yet? I remember needing a separate hack for that.

[Anonymous No.8529841]

>>8529814
So then I would rather play AIR fuck Complete.

[Anonymous No.8529882]

>>8529673
Well would you look at that, it actually did get a recent update. And it fixed everything I had problems with? Very cool, time to play.

[Anonymous No.8529894]

>>8529841
Yeah Complete has pretty much been superseded for everyone who doesn't need Flying Battery moved back to it's original spot / anyone who isn't an originalhardwarefag. AIR has great mod support and you can take your saves cross-platform so you can play on your phone on the go, then bring it home and play on your PC/whatever. It's tight.

[Anonymous No.8529908]

>>8529894
>Flying Battery moved back to it's original spot
AIR has a mod for that too

[Anonymous No.8529918]

>>8528205
Thanks, I will!

[Anonymous No.8529920]

>>8529894
>>8529908
What is this about Flying Battery?

[Anonymous No.8529923]

>>8529908
Oh cool, I see it was updated recently. I knew about it but it never worked properly for me so I wasn't gonna recommend it. Maybe it's better now. Wish this mod would get an update too, it's not a big deal but it's a nice touch I really enjoyed in Complete: https://gamebanana.com/wips/51834

[Anonymous No.8529927]

>>8529920
Flying Battery was going to be set between Carnival Night and Ice Cap before the game got split in two, there's discussion about it earlier in the thread

[Anonymous No.8529936]

>>8527514
Nigger that's still emulation, just licensed by Sega

[Anonymous No.8529995]

>>8526985
I've already played Sonic 3 a hundred times. So no. I don't care how many options they include. I'm not interested in having that experience for the 101st time. I'm so sick of retro gaming. I lived it the first time. I was 8 in 1994. I lived it again and again throughout the years. Emulating it, getting the mega collection, getting it on virtual console, emulating it again.

How much more can you play the same game?

[Anonymous No.8530000]

>>8529995
Holy fuck, I have never needed to tell someone to GTFO more than right now.

[Anonymous No.8530004]

>>8526985
I have both sonic 3 complete and sonic 3 air

[Anonymous No.8530021]

>>8530000
Oops, my bad, my bad. I thought I was on /v/. I agree. I should GTFO.

[Anonymous No.8530186]

Sonic 1 and 2 anniversary are pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.8530204]

>challenge someone to name a feature missing from the shit they're shilling
>they do
>brush it aside because "who cares about that"

Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.8530220]

>>8528068
Well A.I.R. is that. It's kind of like what Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary does (but minus any kind of remastered graphics).

[Anonymous No.8530896]

>>8529229
also missing Vs SMB

[Anonymous No.8530969]

Just finished Sonic 1 anniversary, moving onto 2 anniversary. Good Sonic 3/complete vibes while keeping vanilla gameplay feel in tact.

[Anonymous No.8531003]

>>8526985
yeah I am.

[Anonymous No.8531021]

>>8531003
APPARENTLY Dust Hill is now called "Sand Shower".

I don't know when this happened.

[Anonymous No.8531059]

Did Mania cover all 3K sprites? Getting rid of ugly tubby fuck Sonic would be nice.

[Anonymous No.8531062]

>>8531059
Oh you're one of THEM.

[Anonymous No.8531071]

>>8531062
Yeah, sure. Did it?

[Anonymous No.8531078]

>>8531071
Yes, but Sonic is an ugly shade of blue.

[Anonymous No.8531118]

>>8531059
How have you not seen Mania gameplay by now?

[Anonymous No.8531121]

>>8531021
I mean, Dust Hill was the prototype name for Mystic Cave, so it's fair.

[Anonymous No.8531140]

>>8531121
I've been under the impression "Dust Hill = Mystic Cave" is because the stage indexes for the two stages lined up but not necessarily because Dust Hill was going to be Mystic Cave from the outset (in other words when they dropped the desert level they replaced it with the underground level without them ever being tied together by development history).

[Anonymous No.8531150]

>>8531003
This is just beta maps though.

[Anonymous No.8531176]

>>8526985
You mean sonic AIR?

[Anonymous No.8531221]

>>8531021
We've known Dust Hill as the name on Mystic Cave's level slot in betas, but only recently got shown Sonic 2 overworld levelmaps (think Sonic 1 8-bit) which had the name "Sand Shower."
>>8531059
Mania fully reverts Sonic to his normal sprite set, borrowing the 3K ones that were blatantly using the old superior design (like the FBZ monkey bar movement), and redrawing others completely (like the HCZ pillar spin).
Knuckles has a brand new sprite that takes elements of his Chaotix and Sonic 3 sprite to look more in-style with the older designs.
Ray might be partially based on the Sonic 3 Sonic, but it fits his proportions much better than Sonic himself.

[Anonymous No.8531223]

>>8529936
i never said there was anything wrong with emulation

[Anonymous No.8531662]

>>8526985
What is "SONIC 3 PART ONE?"

[Anonymous No.8531712]

>>8531662
Standalone Sonic 3 without being locked on to S&K

[Anonymous No.8531749]

>>8528467
If that's what you got from that, then sure (not that guy)

[Anonymous No.8531760]

>>8531749
I am that guy and when I say "you do you" I mean that in the most respectful way possible.

[Anonymous No.8531774]

>Sega consoles
Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic CD
Sonic 3 / Sonic & Knuckles
Knuckles' Chaotix
Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island
Sonic X-treme
Sonic Jam
Sonic R
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Shuffle
Sonic Adventure 2

>Non-Sega consoles
Sonic Heroes
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic 2006
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Sonic Unleashed
Sonic and the Black Knight
Sonic Colors
Sonic Generations
Sonic Lost World
Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric
Sonic Mania (Made by a Fan)
Sonic Forces
Sonic Frontiers

[Anonymous No.8531786]

>>8531078
I don't think it's ugly but I still wonder why they changed it to the CD cutscenes/OVA color.

[Anonymous No.8531794]

>>8531760
The guy you're replying to and I say "based"

[Anonymous No.8531925]

>>8531786
It could actually be a reference to Sonic the Comic considering all the references that already baked into Sonic Mania anyway.

[Anonymous No.8531975]

>Sonic fans favorite game is the half finished one with DLC that looks ugly

Sonic 2 fans where u at?

[Anonymous No.8532057]

I've played Sonic 3 Complete once and it was good.
Right now for me it's
>https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/533/
There are 2 Versions of that, but for some reason both have the same patchfiles.
So whenever one downloads the alleged V2, they still get the V1.
Sad.

[Anonymous No.8532060]

>>8526985
>playing unofficial versions of any game
Yike. Might as well play on emulator. Oh wait you're doing that too. Dumb zoomer you aren't playing the real game.

[Anonymous No.8532139]

>>8532060
This is a funny post I think

[Anonymous No.8532161]

>>8528702
>dated
Games don't age.
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.8533232]

>>8531975
>dlc

[Anonymous No.8533503]

>>8531975
Sonic & Knuckles looks better than Sonic 3

[Anonymous No.8533530]

>>8527001
Forgot your glasses, gramps?