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Holy shit this game is ass. How did they fuck up a remake this badly?

>> No.8516008

By giving the development to westerns

>> No.8516009

Why do zoomers hate this game so much?

>> No.8516040
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You don't have to post in this thread, but you do have to watch this.

>> No.8516042

I played this game as my intro to MGS. I still prefer the PS2 one. The music changes were so not needed. A nd neither was all the matrix shit. Sadly in line with what the series eventually became though.

>> No.8516067

it's really not that big a deal. just dont do twin snakes for first playthrough

>> No.8516101

a rare example of a good remake

>> No.8516103

I don't mind goofy games or serious games but TS is the proof of concept that trying to do too much of one does spoil the other.

>> No.8516116

>>8516004
It's objectively better. The original aged like milk and MGS2 has the best gameplay and perfect controls.

>> No.8516124
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>>8516009
They watched a youtube essay on the deep intricacy of Kojumbo's genius and anything that dares change the slightest hair of MGS1's immaculate cinematic blahblahblah is shitty poo that makes them seethe into a mad frenzy where they're possessed to make at least three threads on Twin Snakes per week.

See also: Zoomers watching "It's no masterpiece" clickbait videos on Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, A Link to the Past, Super Metroid, Super Mario 64, etcetera, then robotically being compelled to echo and parrot the youtuber's every talking point to /vr/ of all places, while calling GCCX threads "eceleb trash" as if their interests are better.

In other words they're internet webcrawling bots made to shill youtube videos but rather than a server farm in Israel they're flesh and bone and no opinions of their own. Joyless zombies starved of any free will, only being allowed to think what someone on a glowing screen tells them to. Dead internet theory is real, and so are NPCs. Good God this board needs better moderation.

>> No.8516137

>>8516124
Zoomers actually like Majora's Mask tho. They attack OOT because it's the more popular game.

>> No.8516168

>>8516004
They gave it MGS2 mechanics which means you can bypass nearly every fucking level and facetank bosses due to invincibility frames rather than giving snake the knock over animation in mgs1 where he can still be hurt

>> No.8516257

>>8516004
>"It's not a weak point, it's a weakness."

>> No.8517209

>>8516004
Hey man, just come out already and admit that you don't like video games. Twin Snakes is peak vidya, cutscenes are fun af and only a boring ass monotonous motherfucker would bitch and moan about
>"BRUH THIS SHUT AIN'T REALISTUC WHERE IS MUH GROUNDED BORING STORY"
If you don't like Twin Snakes you're probably the most boring person in your city

>> No.8517259

>>8516257
Does this actually make people mad? It's Otacon trying to sound deep when Snake's just confirming he needs to shoot it in the mouth because it has a stupid weak point that Otacon should have been beaten for adding in the first place

>> No.8517267

My issue with the game is one I never see anyone but me bring up, and it's that the game's mechanical pacing is ruined in TS. In the original game your max health and ammo capacity increase with each boss beaten, giving the feeling that you're getting stronger with each step taken and thus now can handle enemies that are tougher. In TS you start with what is your max in the PS1 version, so it makes the first half of the game a complete cakewalk even if you ignore the first-person shooting simply because Snake can take way more damage than he's supposed to at that point.

>> No.8517275

>>8517259
It's more the redundancy in the statement when the original "character flaw" was sufficient enough.

>> No.8517281
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>>8516040

>> No.8517287

I got filtered in the ps1 version not by any sneaking or the bosses but a part where snake has to shimmy across something. In a factory on disc 2 and kept dying and gave up cause i couldnt fucking see what was happening and kept dying

Played twin snakes made it to this part and literally just ducked under some shit and kept going. Was gonna go back to the ps1 and try to duck and shimmy but just didnt care enough. I bet the ps1 version is still saved there. Lol

>> No.8517289

>>8516168
Why the fuck would anyone care about this shit if they played the original? I remember thinking the original MGS1 was incredible, then MGS2 came out and I could aim in first person and thought it was even better. A remake of MGS1 with first person? Wow sign me up. It's such a retarded criticism.

>> No.8517292

>>8517289
Not him but the big issue with the inclusion is they didn't bother to rebalance the game to accomplish it so now it's a complete faceroll thanks to this utterly broken mechanic added to your arsenal.

>> No.8517294

>>8517292
>to accomplish it
to accomodate it, I meant.

>> No.8517296

>>8517292
If breaking the game makes it more fun, I don't really care.

>> No.8517302

>>8517292
I guess some rebalancing could have made it better, but I already played the fuck out of MGS1 original and now I get to shoot people in the head in the remake so I did not care.

>> No.8517312

>>8517292
just fucking
don't use first person
there
done
fucking autist

>> No.8517581

>>8517296
this
ts > mgs1

>> No.8517716

>>8517312
This. Haven't actually played TS, so I don't know whether the game encourages it much or not, but I always found it kind of silly how people complain about a game having some sort of optional feature that "makes it easy". Just don't use it then, and pride yourself on beating the game without it. It's that simple.

>> No.8517751

>>8516004
It’s not a remake but a remix. Remake tries to be like the original and maybe improve on it. This remake obviously re-imagined the game using the source material for its base. I played the PSX one first and being able to replay it a few years later with all sorts of twists made it a very fun experience for me.

>> No.8517753

>>8517312
Sure, you can do that. However you can't undo the change I mentioned here >>8517267

>> No.8517782

>>8517716
>Just play Star Tropics 2 without moving diagonally

>> No.8517805

>>8517782
Well, I mainly mean things that are like, tucked away in a menu or something. If it's something that the game basically forces you to do, then that's different of course.

>> No.8517820

>>8516124
ok but twin snakes is pretty bad

>> No.8517957

>>8516124
they watched a video clearly demonstrating why twin snakes is questionable at best and actually kind of bad, seethe.

>> No.8517960

>>8517820
>>8517957
samefag

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>>8516124
based and truthpilled

>> No.8517967

>>8517753
they also fucked up the hit invulnerability in certain cases, you can stunlock raven and ocelot trivially for example.

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>>8517960

>> No.8517975

>>8516257
>You yourself... In Zanzibar Land.

>> No.8517983

>>8516124
Chad hands typed this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO3_dMt0ZSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa7WnROoj38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t129dlHBY3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVXzihWkuj0

I do like the new boss themes though even if they came at the expense of Duel

>> No.8518125

>>8516124
Yes, let's just ignore that most people recognized the clearly inferior delivery of both the voice acting and the cutscenes when it was first released, and let's pretend it's all just zoomers.

>> No.8518339

>>8516124
actually the zeitgeist has shifted to twin snakes being the good one since the playstation version had "unfaithful translation" which kojima sensei fixed with this remake. plus it's on nintendo console so it cant suck period

>> No.8518343

>>8518339
You're literally making that shit up.

>> No.8518358

>>8516124
Massive MGSfag here, I have all of the games in my collection and 100% them all. Twin Snakes sucks, no matter how many tantrums you throw.

>> No.8518362

Only 3/4/PW fags like this shit because they have no taste

>> No.8518989

>>8516124
This is the biggest cope I've ever read in my life. Rationalizing the backlash against this game from the day it released as being some grand conspiracy involving bots and video creators from a website that didn't even exist at the time. Twin Snakes enjoyers are truly mentally ill.

>> No.8519036

>>8518989
He is saying that zoomers are brainless and analogous to bots

>> No.8519057

>>8519036
It's not zoomers that are hating on this piece of shit, it's millennials. Zoomers barely know about MGS.

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>>8516009
>>8516124
Strange take you got there. I was introduced to MGS with the original, but I never quite grasped the hatred for the Twin Snakes.
I remember all those dedicated fan-sites berating it not so much for the new mechanical additions, but for "ruining" the grounded realism of the original (MGR was originally bashed by these people for the same reasons). Kojima himself went this route with MGS3 and that was his peak in terms of camerawork and cinematography.
When I tried to sell MGS1 to my friends at high-school, most of them found its visual aesthetic to be dated and ugly, but they could tolerate the remake. And while the new mechanics can break the games balance, it still can be played like the original. For me it seems that most of us Zoomers prefer the Twin Snakes to the original.
That said, I find most of its new music to be kinda boring and shallow.

>> No.8519179

>>8519162
Is this post a joke?

>> No.8519189

>>8519179
Yes and No.

>> No.8519208

>>8519162
>>8516124
>They watched a youtube essay on the deep intricacy of Kojumbo's genius and anything that dares change the slightest hair of MGS1's immaculate cinematic blahblahblah is shitty poo that makes them seethe into a mad frenzy where they're possessed to make at least three threads on Twin Snakes per week.
Kinda ironic, considering it was Kojima's idea to make the cutscenes cuh-razy for Twin Snakes. Originally Ryuhei Kitamura wanted to just do a shot-to-shot remake of MGS1, but Kojima said "nah! Why would I hire the guy who did Versus if he's not going to do any of the crazy stunts he's known for?"

>> No.8519239

>>8519208
Kojima must've suffered from a brain tumor if he thought that was a good idea. Every single cutscene and voice line is completely butchered beyond belief, and not even in an entertaining way.

>> No.8519282

>>8516009
I dont know, but as someone who played it when it came out, I never got used to the controls over the course of an entire playthrough and the cutscene changes are dumb.

>> No.8519286

>>8516116
>MGS2 has the best gameplay and perfect controls.
I would love a new hallway / LOS based mgs. Maybe an interquel where you play as Snake during the Philanthropy days. You could even have PW/TPP style basebuilding and bite sized mission structure without it coming off too weird.

>> No.8519310

its a great remake, that a few cut-scenes are different is really nothing to get upset about. The only thing that is hurt by the remake is the FPS view, it makes the game very easy.

>> No.8519328

>>8519286
I could have sworn there was a mobile MGS that covered some of Snake's Philanthropy missions before MGS2.

>> No.8519486

>>8518339
>>8518343
He's not but the Blaustein localized script sounds more like natural spoken English anyway.

>> No.8519506

>>8519328
MGS Mobile for N-Gage

>> No.8519510

>>8519486
The only two lines that came off weird to me in the TTS retranslation are these ones. (>>8516257 >>8517975) Most of the stuff that got rewritten/retranslated were one-liners and stuff that didn't affect the main story anyway. However, Liquid Snake still makes a reference to Big Boss being in a coma in TTS, a slip-up that was also went unnoticed the Integral version of MGS1 (which had relocalized Japanese subtitles for the English dub).

>> No.8520554

Got this together with a silver GC but store didn't had any memory cards to sell. Had to beat it in an afternoon without turning the console off. Totally worth it, good experience.

>> No.8520574

>>8520554
Did you save Meryl?

>> No.8520591

>>8520574
What was the trigger again? Surviving the torture session? I don't remember if it happened on the first play, but I remember I used a pencil to slide the buttons at least in one of the plays.

But yeah, not dying on the torture was something I was aware of. Think I failed it before doing that afternoon play.

>> No.8521805

>>8516004
it's a raiden VR

>> No.8522058

>>8517287
duck when the fucking crane comes across zoomie

>> No.8522513

Nintendies think that just because Snake guest starred in their shitty party game that this is the definitive version of the game to play, I guarantee that the gamecube playerbase didn't give a shit about this port until after Snake's reveal.

>> No.8523078

>>8516004
I like it (but never played the original since my older brother wouldn't let me. Cunt.).
I never really minded the Matrix-style cutscenes and the series, in general, is pretty unrealistic. I mean, the first game still had Gray Fox who backfliped and ninja-doged bullets (and you can see similar things in MGS2).

>> No.8523086

>>8516042
>I still prefer the PS2 one.
MGS was on the PS1, you fat poser bitch.

>> No.8523091

>>8516124
>anything that dares change the slightest hair of MGS1's immaculate cinematic blahblahblah is shitty poo that makes them seethe into a mad frenzy
Which is funny, because MGS was heavily localized and arguably had the best story and dialogue in the series.

>> No.8523092

>>8516168
>due to invincibility frames
You've never touched these games, have you?

>> No.8523096

>>8519510
You mean something that was canon until Koji-daddy decided to retcon it? How dare they not respect daddy's future intentions?

>> No.8523097

I paid $70 for this bitch because I'm a GCnigger with disposible. I'll be playing it soon, what does it have over the original?

>> No.8523101

>>8523097
*disposable income

>> No.8524092 [DELETED] 

>>8523096
Localized versions are never canon.

>> No.8524103

>>8523096
It's not a retcon if it didn't exists in the Japanese text.

>> No.8524231

>>8516040
Only post ITT that actually gets to the point and isn't obnoxiously up its own ass.

>> No.8524239

>>8524231
It's funny though

>> No.8524248

>>8522513
Literally just making things up in your own head.

>> No.8524563

>>8516124
I don't give a fuck what Kojima's vision for the first game was. Twin Snakes is bad.

>> No.8525023 [DELETED] 

>>8519208
The script even received edits to match the Japanese one a bit better.
https://www.polygon.com/2019/7/18/20696081/metal-gear-solid-translation-japanese-english-jeremy-blaustein

>> No.8525069 [DELETED] 

>>8523097
Excluding the obvious additions like new graphics, redone cutscenes and soundtrack - not much. You get to unlock a sneaking suit for Meryl that was only present in the Japanese version of MGS1. VR missions are gone. Dog tags give no reward for completion.

>> No.8525078

>>8523097
Excluding the obvious additions like new graphics, redone cutscenes and soundtrack - not much. You get to unlock a sneaking suit for Meryl that was only present in the MGS Integral version(https://twitter.com/lordemmerich/status/1340074508418494464).). VR missions are gone. Dog tags give no reward upon completion.

>> No.8525253

>>8516004
Its basically psx mgs1 without the janky low framerate and with much cooler cutscenes. The same nonsense about nuclear deterrent is still there.

>> No.8526983

>>8523097
Graphics are better in some areas. (I personally think the face models are ugly as fuck but some people like them)

>> No.8527024

Kojima Derangement Syndrome

>> No.8527518

>>8521805
this. it's a VR sim based on old mission reports. that's why all the cutscenes are so over-the-top: they're just hyperbolic reports of the conversations and events that actually happened, i.e. MGS1.

>> No.8528267

>>8516040
Not even any "Whooa" or "aaaaah"s just straight life advice lmao

>> No.8529236

>>8516009
I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm 35 and played mgs1 when it was new, and I hate it.

>> No.8530052

>>8523086
he meant he prefers the PS2 version to the gamecube one you dumb fucking loser

>> No.8530903

>>8516009
People hated this game even 15 years ago lol

>> No.8531981

>>8516004
The only part that particularly sucked from this remake was the tank battle. Everything else was kino.

>> No.8534327

>>8516040
K I N O

>> No.8535396

>>8516040
Why did they make Otacon so fucking ugly