THE ONE WAY EXPRESS LANE TO HELL

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THE ONE WAY EXPRESS LANE TO HELL Anonymous Wed Jan 12 03:58:48 2022 No.8511305 [Reply] [Original]

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>8498993

DOOM/II/ULTIMATE/FINAL/64/CHEX/QUAKE/DUKE/HERETIC/HEXEN/ETC
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~

FAQ/PASTEBIN
http://pastebin.com/hzDnLpct

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Thief, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz

Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0

IWADs and more (>6 GB): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
PortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
Quake Trilogy (2020-11): https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU
Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Doom, Quake, Douk, Blood, and more)
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA
More /vr/ shooters
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac
Half-Life WON version
https://pastebin.com/4Hva72v7
Doom Shovelware
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xy-YDWytlEa2CS9rit-PUgcieh4MrGzR
Fileplanet archives
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ftp.planetquake.com/
Doom RPG series
https://mega.nz/#!Y7AjEawA!Ta2RQuOC235v0wQoLtVR7HJoN7bsiawkujSlq8A1Da4
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):
https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA

== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
http://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

TUTORIALS/UTILITIES
https://pastebin.com/7vKYWYp0

RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==

THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22doom%20thread%22/type/op/

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB

IMAGE DATABASE
http://vrdoom.booru.org/?page=post&s=list

OUR WADS
https://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 03:59:18 2022 No.8511307

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18le6ho89YT_myg8CiUUk2mw1439zPyyJ/view

=== NEWS ===
[01-10] Func_msgboard announces a new jam. Theme: AI. Deadline, February 10th
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62137

[01-04] Doom It Yourself - looking for mappers (MBF21, color limits)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126692

[01-03] Shades of Azure - 12 short, blue maps
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126633

[01-02] Half-Life ray traced in development by the author of Serious Sam ray traced
https://youtu.be/SsteDE8h6jc

[01-02] Doom 2 from memory release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126634

[01-01] e2m1 remake
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126594-e2m1-deimos-anomaly-remake/

[01-01] Mechadon blog post about Supplice
https://mekworx.the-powerhouse.net/2021/12/31/this-is-a-post-about-supplice/

[01-01] The Victors is out in russian and english on moddb after 12 years in development hell
https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-victors

[01-01] Leaked achievements for possible Goldeneye rerelease/remaster
https://www.trueachievements.com/game/GoldenEye-007/achievements

[12-27] 13 minutes of Quake-related updatess for 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARsN0xldnys

[12-27] Exorcist for Hexen
https://www.moddb.com/mods/exorcist/downloads/exorcist-full-version

[12-25] DBP43: Christmas In Inferno is out now:
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2365/christmas-inferno

[12-24] Alien Vendetta MIDI pack announced
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126485

[12-23] RC1 of Ozonia is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103371

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 04:17:02 2022 No.8511342 File: 540 KB, 900x1200, 1630877899348.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 04:28:30 2022 No.8511360 I finished The Ultimate DOOM + Sigil and DOOM II. Should I play the Master Levels? What about Final DOOM? Are these mega wads even considered canon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 04:28:50 2022 No.8511361 h-doom ruined me

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 04:30:13 2022 No.8511362 >>8511360 Doomguy here. Every doom wad ever made is canon, including H-Doom. Go nuts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 04:36:00 2022 No.8511369 >>8511360 Play Final Doom and No Rest for the Living, skip the Master Levels.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 05:16:11 2022 No.8511425 File: 2.27 MB, 1919x2158, FI0uF4zVUAQG-PG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 05:39:53 2022 No.8511456

another guy did a violent rumble playthough (on fast+volley+nightmare): twitch.tv/videos/1259160382
seems like he had problems with items not dropping to the ground when they should, not sure what's going on. guess I'm gonna have to update my maps again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 05:45:52 2022 No.8511460 Man, Coffee Achiever doesn't fuck around with his Violent Rumble maps.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 05:48:24 2022 No.8511465 >>8511360 master levels mostly suck play finalDOOM.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 05:49:07 2022 No.8511468 File: 840 KB, 300x300, cf.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8511460

ViolentRumbleAnon !8KaxJ9XaEs Wed Jan 12 06:38:32 2022 No.8511538

>>8511456
>another guy did a violent rumble playthough (on fast+volley+nightmare)
Neat, I'll have to watch that later.
>seems like he had problems with items not dropping to the ground when they should, not sure what's going on
What items in particular? Some of the shit I had copied over from the mission pack code fucked up gibs and heads dropping for a while, so it could very well be a QC issue.

>>8511460
I still randomly boot up RASTR and just fuck around, even when I'm meant to be working on a new map of my own.

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 06:50:21 2022 No.8511547

>>8511538
>What items in particular?
respawning supplies at the end of impco (super hacky setup) and the blue card in nbabs. I've only skimmed through so far, so maybe there's more.
also I didn't realize trigger_push affects enemies, I don't think that's the case in vanilla. now that I think of it, it might even be trying to push func_walls since I had to work around that before.

oh yeah btw, I realized that Kex doesn't read .ent files, so it's impossible to grab the nrune in nbabs. I still want to keep the .bsp vanilla, but maybe you could hardcode it in the progs (swap vanilla sigil for ours).

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 06:59:30 2022 No.8511563
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>>8511305
Looking for help:
I'm trying to polish up the old Zombies TC, but there is a bug with the original .DEH file where projectile directions are acting weird.
This happens with Boom ports like PrBoom+ and Doom Retro.
Anyone know why this is?

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 07:02:02 2022 No.8511571
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If the anon who made the overbright dll for xash ever reads here, I want to say I appreciate it. It doesn't do anything detectable in the orginal half life maps but when it comes to making your own maps, wow it adds so much realism. I can't believe they turned this off (because texture artists don't like having their work blown out? fuck off).

I used to make threads about how goldsrc (/xash) couldn't achiveve contrast like ue1 and always looked washed out/muddy but *you fixed it dude*

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 08:47:59 2022 No.8511726 beaks make me coom

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 08:48:41 2022 No.8511730 >>8511342 >"That's the fifth burger joint you've blown up this month! Everyone makes mistakes, okay? You don't have to lash out at them for the smallest infractions."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 09:03:21 2022 No.8511765 based eggplant playing obituary

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 09:12:29 2022 No.8511785 >>8511360 only real doomers play the master levels you aren't a casual, are you?

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 10:07:12 2022 No.8511894

>>8511538
current QSS, pr_checkextension 1: items don't drop
current QSS, pr_checkextension 0: items drop
QSS 21-10-14: items drop regardless
current vkQuake: items drop regardless
current FTE and FTE5808: items don't drop

man, this is some DarkPlaces shit where things may or may not work depending on the exact build and some obscure cvar somewhere. I'll still try to work around it, but this is frustrating as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 10:43:30 2022 No.8511980 >>8511538 as for trigger_push, this seems to be a vanilla progs thing, affects mid-jump fiends but doesn't affect monsters otherwise. (because of touch-function?)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 10:56:38 2022 No.8512005 File: 1.78 MB, 350x255, vqGeMsr.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8507318 Obviously add 2048 units and Sigil Also there's Obaddon for Oblige for even better AI maps and more configurations

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:00:03 2022 No.8512018 >>8507318 >no sneed claus

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:07:04 2022 No.8512036 File: 467 KB, 900x842, 1622498431312.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:09:15 2022 No.8512042 >>8512036 Now all we need is the Icon of Drip.

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:12:03 2022 No.8512050
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>>8511305
>>8511307

Add mega man 8 bit deathmatch to the SO YOU WANNA PLAY SOME DOOM pic. People have been talking about adding it for ages now. It has a big community, gets a lot of people into Doom and is totally not represented. It's the first thing you should add.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:13:08 2022 No.8512052 We need more anime girl wads. There's like 2? We need more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:16:57 2022 No.8512062 >>8511563 >Zombies TC Immoral Conduct’s Cory made an add-on for this in Edge, I wonder if I can dig it back up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:40:59 2022 No.8512119 File: 450 KB, 1024x1024, Word cloud.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:48:19 2022 No.8512137 File: 7 KB, 349x30, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512119

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:49:15 2022 No.8512139 can someone share civvie's manhatten video? remember seeing an anon post his patreon stuff here before

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:55:31 2022 No.8512154 >>8512042 Doomguy has to beat all of the demons with the power of fashion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 11:59:47 2022 No.8512164 File: 125 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512119 >another chasm aesthetic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 12:31:41 2022 No.8512264 >>8512137 fucking kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 12:50:45 2022 No.8512304 >>8511765 He should do Ad Mortem Also, where is shitwad anon? He also promised a playthrough

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:04:40 2022 No.8512335 hey man, how do I turn on brightmaps in Crispy Doom?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:07:18 2022 No.8512343 File: 201 KB, 1282x991, Screenshot from 2022-01-12 13-06-53.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512335 it is a mystery

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:10:52 2022 No.8512352 File: 357 KB, 712x613, 1609897934545.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512050 >TFW still waiting for Megaman X 16-Bit DeathMatch to become real.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:25:33 2022 No.8512392 >>8512119 >specially definitely retarded bit rude

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:31:46 2022 No.8512416 File: 2 KB, 85x21, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512119 >hexen.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:42:58 2022 No.8512469 >>8512416 >1/9th of the puzzle is completed >A door opened somewhere

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:44:09 2022 No.8512474 File: 378 KB, 620x349, halfbrained.1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Please support my mod https://www.moddb.com/mods/half-brained

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:47:00 2022 No.8512482 >>8511726 turbine2k5

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 13:55:13 2022 No.8512501 File: 3.14 MB, 800x450, 3ddoomguyhead.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/brullov_art/status/1481226047207219201 some guy did doomguy's head in 3d

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:02:12 2022 No.8512524 File: 456 KB, 800x800, logo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512501 >not aspect-corrected ONE JOB

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:03:30 2022 No.8512530 >>8512474 >It is an unfunny, painful, and offensive mod made out of total boredom and fueled by autism. It is loud, annoying, repetitive, and somehow less funny than crack life. I'll be the judge of that

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:05:56 2022 No.8512547 >>8512501 >3d You sure it's not voxels?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:07:57 2022 No.8512556 >>8512547 yes i know but still it's "kinda" like 3d at least almost i wonder if the author used that head from beyond reality as reference

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:09:24 2022 No.8512562 >>8512547 Voxel are 3d pixels. Some Build Engine games make use of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:10:20 2022 No.8512567 >>8512547 Voxels are 3D and have X,Y and Z positions

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:12:07 2022 No.8512574 >>8512567 >voxels >Z position based retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:13:44 2022 No.8512583 File: 264 KB, 1920x1040, fs322.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] FutureShock32 is back in development and co-op kind of fucking works all in all its pretty neat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:15:13 2022 No.8512591 >>8512574 What now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:15:49 2022 No.8512592 >>8512583 any new versions? last one was on facebook or some shit, I remember it wouldn't let me post news with it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:15:53 2022 No.8512593 >>8512416 strife.png

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:26:10 2022 No.8512626 File: 89 KB, 561x383, fs32install.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512592 This should be the latest version: https://bitDOTly/FS32Installer Demo link: https://bitDOTly/FutureShockSkynetDemoInstaller

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:28:48 2022 No.8512631 File: 139 KB, 1200x1200, appears.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512343 S-Sorry, I'm not so smart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:37:08 2022 No.8512664 File: 2.29 MB, 2042x2468, napoleonic girls.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can I get duke3D's addons to work with raze, I managed to get the GRP files for all of them but I can't get them to show up in Raze launcher.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:39:05 2022 No.8512671 >>8512626 I’ll try this later, Dosbox runs rough in that higher resolutoon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 14:50:02 2022 No.8512696 File: 299 KB, 1280x1280, doompaper.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512626 tag it, man >>8511307

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 15:27:02 2022 No.8512798 File: 2 KB, 404x46, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did you guys know you can execute command line arguments in the file explorer? Just type a command in the address bar. I'll include this in the infographic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 15:34:31 2022 No.8512820 >>8512798 if you're in the folder already, why not just drag'n'drop? but no, I didn't know this

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 15:35:25 2022 No.8512824 File: 1011 B, 140x34, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512820 Sometimes it takes too long to find the file you're looking for to drag and drop

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 15:41:42 2022 No.8512845 >>8512824 in that case regular command prompt is better because of autocomplete (tab), which the address bar doesn't seem to have.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 15:45:54 2022 No.8512865 >>8512820 drag and drop gets retarded about load order if you're loading more than two files

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 15:46:37 2022 No.8512869 >>8512865 just... use zdl?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 16:18:32 2022 No.8512963 Why does the game render voxels as being flat, it's infuriating.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 16:21:49 2022 No.8512973 >>8512824 Batch files you fool.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 16:33:50 2022 No.8513000 >>8512963 You're infuriating.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 16:54:23 2022 No.8513056 File: 11 KB, 469x62, brtwrst.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512018 >>8507318 brb taking this out of context and posting it on twitter dot com

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 17:06:47 2022 No.8513096 >>8513056 some loved them before it was cool though

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 17:50:14 2022 No.8513217 File: 196 KB, 900x900, 20210310_092339.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8512574 Explain in detail how a point in 3D space can be positioned without a Z axis. Fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 18:28:25 2022 No.8513316 >>8513217 >pic Damn, are Master Chief and DoomSlayer getting ready for a porno or some nude beach sunset bathing?

ViolentRumbleAnon !8KaxJ9XaEs Wed Jan 12 18:31:19 2022 No.8513321

>>8511894
cl_nocsqc 1 seems to be a good alternative to pr_checkextension
As for FTE, I should probably shove every netquake compatibility cvar I can find into the rc file. I don't know how much that will help though.
>>8511980
I think the Fiend changes movetype while jumping, making it susceptible to pushes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 18:31:23 2022 No.8513323 Whats the name of that build engine game being made with modern tactical weaponry?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 18:45:18 2022 No.8513346 >>8512574 Nothing he said was incorrect. Shut the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 19:34:32 2022 No.8513438 >>8513217 >>8513346 It can't be rotated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 19:54:36 2022 No.8513508 >>8513438 Source on this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 19:55:32 2022 No.8513514 File: 214 KB, 1920x1080, 6df9pqubkf241.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do i play GZdoom in split screen?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 19:57:06 2022 No.8513516 >>8513514 Could be wrong, but I don't think it has any native support for that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:02:25 2022 No.8513531 >>8513438 who said anything about rotation

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:23:26 2022 No.8513571 >>8513514 Run two separate gzdoom windows and use it's janky netplay?

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:32:30 2022 No.8513587

>>8513438
What does rotation have to do with 3 dimensions?
Voxels are points in 3d space defined by x, y and z values
Polygons are triangles or squares defined by points in 3d space that have x, y and z values
Stop being a complete retard
Also voxels can be rotated, it's just currently not very efficient to work with them in such a way in real time

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:35:34 2022 No.8513594

what is the absolute dumbest shit you've heard someone say about a retro fps™
for me it's

>sigil is too hard
>well done isn't the equivalent of ultra violence, lightly broiled is
>wolfenstein 3d is slow
>fastmonsters make doom easier because the enemies are more predictable
>nightmare makes quake easier because the enemies never stop attacking
>shadow warrior has no obtuse map progression at any point
>serious sam has no nuance to its combat beyond running backwards
and my all time personal favorite
>doom 3's shotgun is actually good

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:41:35 2022 No.8513608
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My shooter collection:

Beaten:
Bulletstorm
Chronicles of Riddick
Crysis 1 & 2
Doom 1, 2, 64, Final Doom, Doom 2016, Eternal
Duke 3D
Darkwatch
Far Cry Blood Dragon
Halo 1, 2, 3
Ion Fury
Killzone 1,2,3 (they're meh)
Quake
Resistance 1, 2, 3, PSP
Shadow Warrior (classic)
The Darkness 1&2
Unreal Tournament 3

Downloaded but haven't played yet:
Amid Evil
Ashes 2063 + Afterglow
Blood
Bright Memory Infinite
Doom 3, Sigil
Dusk
Exodemon
Eviternity
Halo ODST, Reach
Hell Forged
Metro 2033
Quake 2
Singularity
Shrine 2
Shadow Warrior (reboot)
Strife
Turok 1 and 2
Time Splitters 2, 3
XIII (GameCube version)

Didn't Like:
Crysis 3
All Far Cry games except Blood Dragon
Fallout 3
Heretic/Hexen
Halo 4
Immortal Redneck
Pain Killer
Project Warlock
Serious Sam
Void Bastards
Wolfenstein
All cawadoodie, mil sim, hero shooter, fornight, etc...

Looking forward to full release:
Core Decay
Cultic
Dread Templar
Exophobia
Forgive Me Father
Gloom Wood
Graven
Hellscreen
Hyper Violent
Nightmare Reaper
Powerslave Exhumed
Prodeus
Selaco (the one im the most hyped about)
Supplice
Vomitoreum
Wrath

So based on this, recommend me shit bros. Full releases or mega wads. I'm a digital hoarder.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:44:24 2022 No.8513617 >>8513608 Vomitoerum already has a full release also consider pirating Wrought Flesh. It's good, but way too short for the price.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:44:49 2022 No.8513618 >>8513608 no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:46:53 2022 No.8513621 >>8513617 >1 map that takes an hour or two to beat >full release go back and add more scummyboy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:48:28 2022 No.8513624 >>8513608 Ion fury is beyond boring Nightmare reaper is way too easy and boring focus on secrets that are boring

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 20:49:59 2022 No.8513627 >>8513621 I'm as disappointed as you man It doesn't live up to Shrine II by a longshot even if the lore is a little cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 21:02:55 2022 No.8513660 >>8513608 C&C Renegade

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 21:03:21 2022 No.8513661 any good terry (a. davis) wads

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 21:20:58 2022 No.8513716 >>8513608 Terminator Future Shock.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 21:23:52 2022 No.8513730 >>8508434 I feel like we could leave the entire part out and just say you can either buy the wads or pirate them, and provide links to both options. Would love to hear what you all have to say though.

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 21:24:34 2022 No.8513732

>>8513608
>Shadow Warrior (reboot)
warning,this game sucks cock,it tries to be both a modern shooter,a classic shooter and a hack and slash game and sucks at all 3 in the process.
the second one mixes the 3 elements ever so slightly better,but then adds looter shooter elements and procedural generation to shit,making it also crap.

but i would recommend the HL games if you have not played them already (it doesn't show you did).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 21:43:45 2022 No.8513774 >>8513661 The only doom/terry crossover is someone porting the game to templeos, but a wad with a terry mugshot and CIA enemies would make a good set of levels

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 21:53:05 2022 No.8513790 >>8513608 >Crysis, Resistance, and Fallout 3 >retro

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 22:01:04 2022 No.8513814 >>8513790 he probably just listed indiscriminately,though its pretty clear he has a boomer-shooter tilt in his taste.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 22:04:29 2022 No.8513825 >>8513661 The Community is falling!! Oh No!!! Community is Falling 2 Community Is Falling 3

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 22:10:46 2022 No.8513840 >>8512119 >heretic based

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 22:13:22 2022 No.8513848 Anyone have some reading/watching materials on making a good single player map?

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 22:13:25 2022 No.8513849
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>>8512963
What do you mean? What game? You know, voxels actually originally were flat. They were basically a collection of 1-pixel sprites that face the player. Because the whole point was to make a 3D effect when they didnt have actual 3D technology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 22:33:08 2022 No.8513885 >>8513790 I'm just putting my taste out there, knowing that the people here have better taste than /v/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 22:43:55 2022 No.8513909 >>8513885 do a thread on /v/ anyways just to laugh at what garbage they recommend

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 22:45:16 2022 No.8513916 >>8513608 Call of Juarez: Gunslinger

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 23:22:08 2022 No.8514001 >>8513323 project awol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 23:28:44 2022 No.8514012 >>8513594 >>well done isn't the equivalent of ultra violence, lightly broiled is Thats true in the sense that its at least as hard as Doom 2 on UV.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 12 23:49:50 2022 No.8514074 >>8514012 >Doom 2 UV compared to Blood's WD Blood might win out on difficulty here, both in pistol/pitchfork starts and continuous play. They're both easier and with less interesting encounters than what's in Plutonia and NRFTL.

Anonymous Wed Jan 12 23:52:16 2022 No.8514081

>>8512556
>>8512562
>>8512567
I know, it's just me being picky because of his choice of words.
>>8513594
>Hexen is too confusing.
>Ion Fury is boring.
>Game's visuals haven't aged well.
>Quake 2 RTX/"HD texture packs for DOOM, Quake and others" look good.
>Selaco is retro FPS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 00:10:17 2022 No.8514117 >>8511563 I wonder if the rocket projectile speed was made too fast? I know that after a certain speed in dehacked, projectiles can end up firing in weird directions instead of from the center.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 00:16:10 2022 No.8514130 What was the name of that Doom weapon WAD where you played as a dragonman with magic powers again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 00:19:51 2022 No.8514139 >>8514081 >Quake 2 RTX That "sunny side of Stroggos" artstyle sucks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 00:20:00 2022 No.8514140 >>8514130 Guncaster this better not be some bizarre deez nuts setup istg

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 00:21:24 2022 No.8514145
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>>8514140
No, just wanted to know the name cause I had a sudden burst of nostalgia and wanted to replay some weapon mods I played years ago including it and Trailblazer. Cheers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 00:28:23 2022 No.8514163 >>8512050 Shit I remember playing this with /v/ fucking forever back. God I am old.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 01:06:46 2022 No.8514253 Is QuakeC more or less just C when it comes to syntax, and code format?

>>	ViolentRumbleAnon !8KaxJ9XaEs Thu Jan 13 01:18:34 2022 No.8514281 >>8514253 Mostly, but you can't do arrays and some other things. It's easy enough though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 01:21:58 2022 No.8514286 File: 561 KB, 663x618, dk all smiles.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8514281 Cool. I'm learning C for the express purpose of modding quake. My first goal is to implement a duke nukem freezethrower

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 01:23:07 2022 No.8514289 >>8514281 You can have global arrays if you use fteqcc (compatible with any engine, not just FTE)

>>	ViolentRumbleAnon !8KaxJ9XaEs Thu Jan 13 01:25:36 2022 No.8514293 >>8514289 Huh, I should probably give that a try at some point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 01:29:34 2022 No.8514301 File: 207 KB, 620x953, MoD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >stare at the cover art of my Masters of Doom copy >Realize it wasn’t just a random splash of green and red, but a chaingunner opening fire at the reader How did I not see this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 01:36:28 2022 No.8514308 >>8514117 That was the problem, thanks! Any Projectile that has a speed above 35.0 are affected.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 01:38:49 2022 No.8514310 Thoughts on Fabien Sanglard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 01:49:45 2022 No.8514328 Is there any way to reverse the scroll wheel in CrispyDOOM?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 02:04:06 2022 No.8514352 >>8514328 have you tried holding your mouse upside down?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 02:05:36 2022 No.8514361 >tfw no Hideous Destructor VR

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 02:07:43 2022 No.8514373 >>8514361 I don't have a VR headset, but if I did, I don't think I could be content with that reality for long.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 02:32:29 2022 No.8514432 >>8514081 >Hexen is too confusing. But this is true

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 02:34:25 2022 No.8514437 Is there a gameplay wad that focus on melee combat without being flashy dmc wannabe?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 02:53:14 2022 No.8514479 >>8513594 >nightmare makes quake easier because the enemies never stop attacking That one is subjective, from what I recall.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 03:09:16 2022 No.8514505 >>8514479 no

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 03:14:19 2022 No.8514518 >>8514479 >>8514505 It very much depends on the map, the enemy, and the placement of the enemy. A nightmare ogre is a vastly different experience when it's defending a chokepoint than when it's mindlessly shooting at you from across a large room.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 03:20:01 2022 No.8514525

>>8514518
i cannot think of a single instance where it wiggling back and forth between shots is more dangerous than it just shooting constantly for pressure, especially if there are other enemies which may force you into its range
if it can't hit you it can't hit you

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 03:48:48 2022 No.8514574

Bobby Prince describing Arch-Viles as naive, child-like entities who consider themselves only innocent healers makes me wonder what the other demons' real personalities are like.
All of them are probably big assholes to some degree, given the instances like infighting, but still, I want to know what really goes on inside their heads.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 03:54:29 2022 No.8514590

>>8514574
>zombies/shotgunners are in a constant state of hallucination and believe that they are fighting demons as they blast their former comrades and the actual demons around them are the friends they are currently killing - except the chaingunner, he is completely lucid and knows exactly what he's doing and doesn't care

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 04:23:23 2022 No.8514636
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>>8514574
>why are you idiots not killing this marine
>everyone but me is stupid. i'm gonna shoot them first.
>tfw to intelligent to shoot doomguy
>the only reason you're alive right now is because your IQ is too low to be affected by my psionic attacks
>my biomechanical prosthesis hurt
>nah it's not an ego lift i've done 12 ton skullcrushers before
>i wish i didn't lend my son the plasma gun for show and tell today
>i'm gonna steal this cyberdemon's rocket launcher

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 04:29:17 2022 No.8514649
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>>8514574
>i r chad
>i r alpha male demon
>shoot bigdick rockit at dumbguy
>he explode in to blud like when i fug ur gf pussy
>i kill tiny beta demon like imp and agitated boner
>drink grease frum barrel
>then shoot whole in wall
>then i deny teh holokaust
>i r chad

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 04:34:17 2022 No.8514659 File: 228 KB, 500x394, a65.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8514574 >AAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAA? >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! >punches hole in wall >AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 04:55:45 2022 No.8514684 File: 5 KB, 112x144, DoorWithHealth.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8514574 >ahm door

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 04:57:25 2022 No.8514686 File: 1.08 MB, 600x609, WeeW.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8514574 >WeeW

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 05:41:41 2022 No.8514770 >>8514301 play more plutonia

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 06:07:33 2022 No.8514810 >>8514649 This says more about your personality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 06:21:04 2022 No.8514834 >>8513849 SW, fixed it by switching to vulkan, which created a new problem, the textures were covered in visual artifacts which was in turn fixed by turning multisampling up to 4

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 06:29:36 2022 No.8514846 >>8512050 so true. I sometimes feel like they ignore it on a purpose, as some kind of inside joke. The community is amazing and some influx of fresh players would be great

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 07:42:14 2022 No.8514943 >>8514659 There's a lot of things that people dislike about the new doom games, but making revenants screeching even more like autists was precisely on the money

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 07:53:26 2022 No.8514956 >Made a map with a big teleport-in fight in the end >Start testing >Arrive to the fight 10 minutes later >Realize I forgot to tag the monster door

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 08:35:49 2022 No.8515024 >>8514525 >i cannot think of a single instance where it wiggling back and forth between shots Are you only thinking of ogres across bridges? That’s where they’d “wiggle back and forth”. They’ll otherwise try to close the gap between you and them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:03:06 2022 No.8515082 File: 22 KB, 280x354, Kingpin_-_Box_Front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are there any sourceports for Kingpin? I just found out one of my favorite artists made some levels for it but have no idea how to play them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:06:33 2022 No.8515087 >>8514636 >>tfw to intelligent to shoot doomguy God fucking damn it finally I found someone who got the meme right. Christ it's been years since I've seen anyone do it right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:16:31 2022 No.8515114 What's a ""real way"" to beat the vanilla games, so to speak? Do I just beat all the levels in UV without savescumming, and that's it? Or should I add some additional challenges like pistol starting, 100% kills and secrets, fast monsters, etc.?

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:29:08 2022 No.8515143

>>8515114
Pistol Start UV Max (all kills and secrets) each level while recording a demo without dying or savescumming.
Pistol Start UV max each episode or the entire game while recording a demo. This means you can carry over weapons from one level to the next. Restart if you die.
You can enable fast monsters but it's not particularly necessary. Fast Monsters isn't required on wads that are harder than vanilla wads, but it can be a great learning experience.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:49:42 2022 No.8515185 >>8515114 UV pistol-start zero-secrets

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:50:38 2022 No.8515189 >>8515082 Just wait for that remaster, its just around the corner. Believe me, any day now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:53:20 2022 No.8515193 >>8515082 vanilla is playable and there's some sort of unofficial patch for a less washed out look, set "vid_gamma" higher and "intensity" lower

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:54:09 2022 No.8515201 >>8511360 Play valiant, its fucking great

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 09:55:10 2022 No.8515209 >>8511360 >canon >in doom Play no rest for the living instead, its a much overall better package

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:02:13 2022 No.8515235

I just beat duke nukem 3d on damn im good, what a piece of game, real tight episodes, i love how most levels lead into one another and gibbing enemies with the rocket launcher feels so satisfactory, im playing on EDUKE32, and i've always felt like playing blood and shadow warrior, now im a poorfag with a very shit pc, wich options can someone recommend me to play the rest of the holy build engine ?( steam's out of the question altogether and im not sure dosbox runs properly on this thing)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:02:34 2022 No.8515237 >>8515209 Back to back with Plutonia, either pistol starting or at least pistol restarting on death.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:04:47 2022 No.8515242 >>8515235 I played both on BuildGDX recently just fine; the minimap had a mild visual bug in SW but it felt perfectly playable as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:05:00 2022 No.8515243 >>8515235 For SW there’s Voidsw which is based off of eduke, and there’s also Raze. Blood can use Nblood/Raze or BuildGDX for custom difficulties.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:38:59 2022 No.8515327 >>8511307 OCCULA.WAD - a new slaughter mapset by bemused (Cryogenics, Flotsam, Abandon) and tourniquet (Miasma, Mutabor) has been released - https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126833

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:45:29 2022 No.8515336 What are the general thoughts on WADs like Ancient Aliens, Haste, or Sunlust? Personally, I think that slaughter gameplay is a lazy excuse to make your WAD hard, and generally isn't very fun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:53:57 2022 No.8515353 File: 2.18 MB, 2557x1389, 1642089237137.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8515327 >the council will now decide your fate

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:58:29 2022 No.8515367 >>8515336 git gud

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 10:59:30 2022 No.8515372 >>8515336 Ancient Aliens is great. It’s only a percent as slaughtery as Alien Vendetta.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 11:04:31 2022 No.8515376

>>8515336
>Personally, I think that slaughter gameplay is a lazy excuse to make your WAD hard, and generally isn't very fun.
Disagree, slaughter is just the natural skill progression considering how Doom's roster is built; meaning they aren't very fun if you aren't very good, or if you're forcing yourself to play on UV.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 11:07:31 2022 No.8515380 >>8514361 >catch on fire >try to put it out >spazz out and knock over shit around you >accidentally start a real fire IT'S SO REALISTIC AND IMMERSIVE!

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 11:08:06 2022 No.8515381

I've finally finished the map I've been posting here for the last few weeks, it's MAP13 of this wad.
https://www.doomworld.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=164687

Doom 2 format, tested in prboom+ with complevel 2.
Difficulty other than UV are done by removing monsters and will be subject to revision on further testing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 11:09:09 2022 No.8515382 File: 103 KB, 640x480, doom128.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8515381 [lust-provoking picture]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 11:26:08 2022 No.8515416 >>8515382 >delicious blue and red contrast It’s lovely anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 12:17:38 2022 No.8515528 File: 142 KB, 700x481, lavaman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] On vkquake and spasm spiked, lavamen spawn below the platform. Why the fuck does this happen

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 12:32:24 2022 No.8515553 >>8515336 I don't like slaughter for the most part, but AA and Sunlust are excellent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 12:37:08 2022 No.8515563 >>8515336 Slaughter maps always feel like an exaggerated parody of Doom to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 12:41:06 2022 No.8515571 >>8515563 This. I've always felt that full-on, intentional slaughter maps drown out the nuance of Doom's combat loop. Large groups of enemies don't a slaughter map make, but I feel that enemy placement should be deliberate even if you place dozens.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 12:42:01 2022 No.8515572

>>8515336
Ancient Aliens and Haste aren't even slaughter. Sunlust has difficult fights with few enemies and difficult fights with hundreds of enemies, in all cases they're well structured with extremely well thought out enemy placements and environment.
You've revealed yourself to be a huge noob, your opinion has no weight. Get good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 12:47:16 2022 No.8515582 >>8515572 Would you say Sunlust deserves its reputation for being "da hard megawad"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 12:48:37 2022 No.8515585 >>8515572 >>8515582 I’ve yet to try it and Sunder, how do they compare?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 13:03:38 2022 No.8515617 File: 117 KB, 400x378, 1631734159961.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8515585

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 14:03:04 2022 No.8515726 >>8515617 …Alrighty then, I will play Sunlust first.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 14:49:01 2022 No.8515861 >>8515082 It still runs on modern Windows

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 14:54:20 2022 No.8515885 File: 58 KB, 740x504, 740full-elexis-sinclaire.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8515189 WHERE THE FUCK IS SIN REMASTER. I NEED MORE ELEXIS

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 14:56:23 2022 No.8515895

>>8515082
But yeah it just works. Its pretty cool, its kinda sad they really seem to have wanted a immersive sim in the first few levels and said fuck it its the quake engine and went ballistic in the final levels.

Like the dieselpunk ecological disaster look, and the main protag is most evil motherfucker fps protag around.

I hear for some reason its very famous in slavland.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 15:31:40 2022 No.8516036 >>8515582 It's a difficult WAD that most players have experienced at least part of. >>8515585 I love both

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 16:09:47 2022 No.8516242 >>8515336 IMO, slaughter gameplay of modern wads is generally fine. Feels like map authors nowadays take into account pacing and fun a bit more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 16:20:48 2022 No.8516289 >go to rpgcodex >there are people who call duke and build engine games decline compared to doom Wtf is their problem

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 16:48:52 2022 No.8516460 >>8516289 >go to rpgcodex your first mistake

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 17:03:23 2022 No.8516535

>>8515336
slaughter maps have their place,but i tend to get tired of them and if im swamped with many of them and end up taking alot of breaks.
im of the opinion that more can be better,but using less in more creative ways,or even making new enemies can be the right and in many cases better call.
>>8516289
i get liking DOOM more (its roster is amazing,and the SSG is the pinnacle of fps weaponry),but the build engine adds alot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 17:04:01 2022 No.8516540 >>8515582 Sunlusts difficulty has been exaggerated too much imo, the fights aren't cryptic and they don't require top notch planning or execution. It's doable for most players who beat Plutonia, and a lot of fun

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 17:12:18 2022 No.8516580 >>8515895 It is because of the pirate translation. Think stalker cheeki breeki memes but way more hardcore and the whole game is made of them.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 17:19:57 2022 No.8516625

>>8516540
Eh, Plutonia is a lot easier than Sunlust, IMO.
I do agree that Sunlust's difficulty is a bit exaggerated, though. It does have a few really hard levels in the later half, but its generally pretty accessible compared to most other wads with the Ribbiks name.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 17:26:20 2022 No.8516656 >>8516535 >SSG is the pinnacle It’s timeless in Doom but I find one shotgun with two fire modes to be the ideal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 17:41:55 2022 No.8516712 I need inspiration for a Quake techbase. Industrial, dirty, low tech. Anyone got links to galleries they'd want to share?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 17:46:48 2022 No.8516724 >>8516712 just look up pictures of chinese ironworks

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:09:54 2022 No.8516782

>>8516625
>Eh, Plutonia is a lot easier than Sunlust, IMO.
Yeah but I think that if you can beat Plutonia then you have the skills to beat Sunlust as well. The jump from Doom II to Plutonia is trickier imo, it's a legit filter that some players will never pass

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:15:53 2022 No.8516802

>>8513321
cl_nocsqc doesn't help. neither do any of the sv_gameplayfix* cvars. eh, whatever.
anyway, here are the patched maps: https://mega.nz/file/JaxjSKRC#7-XWD73LjVr8CKU2KQgja1xk1Gx_19y1OjFL0aLCZ1Q
rastr and impco should be mostly compatible with old saves and demos (including the starting one), nbabs is not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:22:31 2022 No.8516814 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsteDE8h6jc has this been posted yet? almost no one I ever seen mention it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:22:40 2022 No.8516815 >>8516656 i get liking being able to just do one barrel,but to me its unimportant compared to the punch of it,for example BLOOD,its shotgun is also amazing,but i used the single fire maybe 5% of the time.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:25:09 2022 No.8516817

>>8516782
>Yeah but I think that if you can beat Plutonia then you have the skills to beat Sunlust as well.
Maybe the earlier levels, but some of the very late levels demand a much higher level of skill than what Plutonia could ever prepare a player for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:26:23 2022 No.8516819 >>8516782 I haven't played final doom. How is TNT compared to plutonia?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:27:54 2022 No.8516824 >>8516819 Atmospheric that is to say, boring and labyrinthine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMKcPg8kH

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:34:19 2022 No.8516850 >>8516782 Horseshit. Post your demo for any single of the last five Sunlust maps. That's what I thought.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:34:31 2022 No.8516853 >>8516782 I went from Plutonia to Sunlust and I can say that Sunlust's difficulty spikes beyond Plutonia at map 9.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:46:16 2022 No.8516875 >>8516540 >>8516782 Did you only play the first few levels of Sunlust or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:50:24 2022 No.8516884 >>8516819 TNT is adventure driven, where as Plutonia is combat driven.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:53:38 2022 No.8516892 >>8515885 Has 3DR finished/released anything they announced at the first Realms Deep?

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:54:38 2022 No.8516893

>>8516815
>but i used the single fire maybe 5% of the time.
Good thing it wasn’t a separate weapon entirely, then!
The Turok games are the opposite of my ideal shotgun set up, as the ‘upgraded’ shotgun isn’t even a double barrel: They’re autoshotguns that just shoot faster.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 18:56:10 2022 No.8516896 >>8516815 Did you play on Well Done? The ammo scarcity makes firing with one barrel really good for dusting off a damaged cultist trying to run while saving ammo.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:00:17 2022 No.8516907

>>8516817
>>8516850
>>8516853
>>8516875
Did you guys even read what I said? Adaptability is more important than technical execution and it is a skill that 99% of Doom players become aware of by methodically taking down Plutonia. Beating Plutonia =-becoming aware that you can raise your skill ceiling with the correct approach. That's why I said Doom II to Plutonia is a bigger bottleneck than Plutonia to Sunlust.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:01:55 2022 No.8516914 File: 23 KB, 512x500, cat1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8516289 Why did you go to an RPG website for opinions about an FPS?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:06:05 2022 No.8516926 >>8516907 >That's why I said Doom II to Plutonia is a bigger bottleneck than Plutonia to Sunlust. I know why you said it. I just don't agree.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:06:49 2022 No.8516928

>>8516893
thats fair to be honest.
though autoshotguns can be pretty fun,they are no replacement for dual barrel perfection.
>>8516896
i played the main game and deathwish (i consider deathwish cannon in my eyes) on well done,and i think i accidentally (or intentionally,i don't remember) played cryptic passage on lightly broiled.
and whenever i reply any of blood,i play well done.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:07:56 2022 No.8516932 >>8515885 In storage next to Episode 2.

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:10:00 2022 No.8516935

>>8516896
I’ll use it instead of the tommy if I want to stagger cultists before killing them.
>>8516892
Things have been fucked for them since the acquisition. It took awhile just to get IF to its pre-expansion patch, and it took even longer for it to make it to GOG (owned by CDPR, another company going through the shits).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:14:42 2022 No.8516946 >>8516926 Fair enough

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:22:19 2022 No.8516971 >>8514310 Whomst've?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:39:25 2022 No.8517014 >>8515528 The function that give the lavaman gravity (movetype) is called before the one that gives him collision. I guess those engines just let it fall on through whatever they're sitting on instead of stopping it as soon as collision kick in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:42:28 2022 No.8517018 >>8516892 There was a single update to Wrath, and that's it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:43:34 2022 No.8517020 >>8517018 what a shame i liked wrath

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:45:00 2022 No.8517027 >>8517020 And their "bi-weekly" updates have become monthly ones at best.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 19:51:04 2022 No.8517041 >>8516935 Well lets just fucking wish at least core decay and some other projects get out. Fucking 3dr.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:00:41 2022 No.8517061 >>8511305 Does Ad Mortem have any no-no things that might get me in trouble for streaming it? I heard something about a secret referencing Lovecraft's cat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:02:17 2022 No.8517069 >>8517061 The release version hastily had that stuff patched out, plenty of people (big names even) have streamed it no problem.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:02:51 2022 No.8517070 >>8517069 So what was in there?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:03:22 2022 No.8517072 >>8517061 That's censored. There's nothing else of that nature.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:04:28 2022 No.8517076 >>8517070 Automap note referencing Lovecraft's cat, only visible in the release version as "Help me, CENSORED-Man, I'm going insane!"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:05:30 2022 No.8517081 >>8517061 Nah, you'd be fine. Post channel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:05:56 2022 No.8517082 File: 18 KB, 500x333, flat,800x800,075,f.u2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8517076 >not "HELP ME, SANDYMAN, I'M GOING INSANE!"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:06:53 2022 No.8517086 >>8517081 No,I'drathernotshillmyshit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:07:31 2022 No.8517090 >>8517086 I like watching people play my maps.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:07:48 2022 No.8517091 >>8517041 I don't care about anything else they have going on besides the IF expansion. Are you that same guy getting tilted each time it gets mentioned? >>8517086 Well alright.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:07:59 2022 No.8517092 >>8517086 But I want to watch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:08:47 2022 No.8517093 >>8517082 Hey, I neither made the map in question, nor edited it for release.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:14:49 2022 No.8517113 >>8517091 Well I care else about everything else besides the IF expansion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:17:09 2022 No.8517121 File: 270 KB, 484x658, 16468132164.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Well I care else about everything poor anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:36:18 2022 No.8517181 >>8512626 >>8512696 At the moment: Server not found for both links

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:37:52 2022 No.8517183 >>8517181 first day on the internet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:38:36 2022 No.8517185 >>8517121 No really IF is just so boring. Some games have so much replay value, IF is just one monotonous slog. One playthrough and that's it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:41:31 2022 No.8517193 >>8517183 Oh no just drunk

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:47:40 2022 No.8517208 File: 163 KB, 974x625, 1636038313361.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8517185 >ame posts everytime You better not also be that Elexisfag, that would be real embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:52:10 2022 No.8517219 >>8515895 >>8515861 >>8515193 >>8515189 For some reason I thought it was one of those games that ran for shit on modern OS. Thanks!

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:58:42 2022 No.8517236

>>8517185
i'd replay ion fury if i were smart enough to mod the humanoid soldiers to react twice as fast and aim twice as good and deal at least 50% more damage with their shotguns and pistols
and double wendigo damage
and make those nod tank guys attack more aggressively
and revert the piece of shit update that removed reload cancelling, which was the only thing preventing reloads from ruining the combat (though i've only heard of this, can't confirm how bad it is)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 20:59:49 2022 No.8517241 oh yeah and make the zombies that plague the latter few levels do literally anything useful

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 21:09:31 2022 No.8517271

>>8517208
Yeah being embarrassing on the internet, as if I care.

>>8517236
The levels are fine, they all looks impressive like the train, it just needed some spice and better design encounters, I swear everything went into level design and the shit characters and meh combat were second.

The mech fight could have more interesting stuff. The sky scrapper flying ship boss was okay I guess.

I would add a slide maybe like the one in alien armageddon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 21:24:59 2022 No.8517301 File: 298 KB, 2003x2020, 1637841185259.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any wad with jumping and crouching in mind? I want to fuck around with movement mods but I hate breaking maps.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:00:03 2022 No.8517379 >>8517301 Diablus Ex is my favorite testing level.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:00:32 2022 No.8517381 >That one pickup sound in Ashes that makes it sound like your computer monitor is clicking outside your headphones

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:17:08 2022 No.8517421 CRUDUX CRUO

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:18:42 2022 No.8517425 File: 113 KB, 2200x2200, 1640520665272.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8517421

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:35:52 2022 No.8517475
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Woohoo made some more progress on my DIY entry (which I believe is getting its name changed due to "Doom It Yourself" already existing in the form of some old sourceport or something). There will be a ton of arachnotrons in these little alcoves the player will have to run past to reach the rocket launcher. Then the player can take them out if they please. I'm wondering what kind of enemies should I place on the player's path. Maybe pinkies and zombiemen?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:38:48 2022 No.8517481 >>8517475 Manually placed lost souls are underrated, and can serve a similar function to pinkies, plus they makes the rocket launcher a double-edged sword.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:40:12 2022 No.8517484 >>8517481 Good idea, maybe I'll have a bunch teleport in after the rocket launcher is picked up so that they don't interfere with the arachnotrons beforehand.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:42:21 2022 No.8517491 >>8514810 And this post says ur gay haha gottem

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:49:33 2022 No.8517509 >>8514432 For you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 22:58:02 2022 No.8517535 File: 619 KB, 1332x579, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Top section's almost done, but i'm being an autist over minuscule details. Left or right? Or should I pick a new font entirely?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 23:04:33 2022 No.8517560 >>8517535 right

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 23:10:26 2022 No.8517570 File: 288 KB, 1000x1000, doom-64---button-fin-v2-1574466022090.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mega wads for fans of doom 64?

Anonymous Thu Jan 13 23:20:05 2022 No.8517602

>>8517271
>The mech fight could have more interesting stuff. The sky scrapper flying ship boss was okay I guess.
Those bossfights are better than any buildboss. It’s got the most well rounded roster and weapon mechanics since SW. The strength in build games is always the level design, because even as tight as they can get they don’t have rosters or fights comparable to the original IdSoft games. Even Quake 2 stands them up with the fixes introduced in the expansions.
At least it’s out, unlike all the other 3DR games that are about to be vapor or shovelware.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 23:40:27 2022 No.8517675 File: 252 KB, 214x448, ranger_hanging.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone have any more cool Quake gifs like picrel? Want to expand my collection.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 13 23:45:53 2022 No.8517698 >>8517675 You would think with a death grip on that axe he could have cut himself down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 00:04:59 2022 No.8517762 I recently played Turok 2 and was shocked by how hard it fucking sucked.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 00:48:20 2022 No.8517876 >>8516914 They said they have good taste

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 00:49:56 2022 No.8517880 >>8516971 https://fabiensanglard.net/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 00:55:57 2022 No.8517886 Is there a Doom Sourceport that can play midis from a wad?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 01:05:59 2022 No.8517905 >>8517886 Are you trying to use Doom as a midi player or do you want to play custom midis while playing levels?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 01:14:50 2022 No.8517914 File: 448 KB, 1920x1080, 20220113212219_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What you guys think of turok?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 01:30:54 2022 No.8517943 File: 1.81 MB, 2586x1649, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Alright, how's it looking so far? I feel like that blank space on the sides could be used somehow

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 01:32:06 2022 No.8517949 >>8517943 (Samefag) I didn't put the sourceport links in yet. Don't worry about it, i'm aware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 01:35:36 2022 No.8517959 >>8511307 RC1 of PRCP2 (Plutonia Revisited Community Project 2) has been released - https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/119628

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 01:38:52 2022 No.8517964 >>8517943 Maybe recommendations for mod + WAD things? Like, mods that go really well with other WADs and stuff. I dunno, just brainstorming

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 02:34:07 2022 No.8518076 >>8517914 Turok 2 sucks ass.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 02:35:33 2022 No.8518080 >>8517943 Now we need one for wad recommendations

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 02:36:45 2022 No.8518082 >>8518080 It's getting that, anon. This is just the top part. The next 2/3 will be about WADs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 02:37:06 2022 No.8518083 >>8517959 >co op friendly How do you do that

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 02:37:25 2022 No.8518084
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>>8518076
You play the first one? I've been having a blast with it. Once I finish it I plan on starting the second. I was surprised how much platforming there was, which is good for me because I actually like platforming in my fps games unironically.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 02:39:35 2022 No.8518093 >>8518082 Noice >>8518084 Yeah but i need to revisit it because it's been a really long time. But tutok 2 was fucking boring. Really boring ass levels in particular. Enemies and guns were generic in the way they behave.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 02:42:04 2022 No.8518101

>>8518093
Ah thats a shame to hear, I was really liking Turok and was hoping to see that 2 would just add some more advanced enemies to fight rather than jobber melee enemies, hitscanners, and projectile guys with no tracking/predictive aiming.

Does it at least keep the platforming? It really sets the title apart from the other games of that era for me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 02:48:41 2022 No.8518115 >>8518083 Don't lock players in rooms without a way in from outside, don't rely on any voodoo doll tricks that only effect player 1, those things and other stuff like that can be show stoppers in co-op sessions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 03:03:37 2022 No.8518151 >>8517698 He didn't want to. He had abandoned all hope. Death was the only way out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 03:05:16 2022 No.8518158 >>8517570 Unmaking was released this year.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 03:06:50 2022 No.8518161 >>8518101 There's some but it's mostly just running around giant but uninteresting maps and flipping switches

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 03:07:51 2022 No.8518165 >>8518115 No i mean, how do i play it co op? GZdoom doesn't seem to support it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 03:13:11 2022 No.8518182 >>8518165 GZDoom has an entire subforum dedicated to getting its ancient unstable multiplayer working, but unless you specifically want to play GZDoom mods co-op, just use Zandronum.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 03:13:50 2022 No.8518184 >>8518182 Speaking of, why don't we run PRCP2 for next SNS?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 03:39:29 2022 No.8518231 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY-6j1jdzDU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYjfdB46wYk

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 03:42:44 2022 No.8518236 >>8518182 Is it split screen or web?

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 04:08:01 2022 No.8518273

>>8518236
Both GZDoom and Zandronum's multiplayer are LAN/Internet based. There are a scant few PC Doom source ports with splitscreen multiplayer, I can only think of Doom Legacy (which is ancient at this point) and a fork of a now-older build of Eternity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 04:23:13 2022 No.8518289 File: 192 KB, 720x720, 1629715696312.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8517675

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 04:24:15 2022 No.8518290 >>8517914 No complaints really. Cool theme, cool music, satisfying weapons, good level design, and the platforming isnt even bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 04:26:14 2022 No.8518292 >>8518231 What is this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 04:29:21 2022 No.8518302 >>8518292 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8opG6YMIhzU

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:10:18 2022 No.8518341

The mod Accessories for Murder keeps crashing GZDoom. Every time I try to fire off a shot, it hard crashes to the desktop. Sometimes it just freezes and then crashes. I've got zero clue why this is happening, and I haven't found anybody else with the same problems.
Also, it can run in Zandronum. I don't understand how, considering it's not supposed to be compatible with Zandronum, but it is.
I'm sure these two things are connected somehow, but I've no idea how to start figuring it out.
Help? Plz?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:23:23 2022 No.8518363 >>8518289 Does the game turn 6dof if set it to -1 or the llike?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:26:04 2022 No.8518371 File: 66 KB, 338x170, posture.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8518289 heh

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:28:00 2022 No.8518373 >>8518289 https://vocaroo.com/16r89vUCl205

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:29:46 2022 No.8518376 >>8518302 So is Zerstorer a new game or a remake of this game?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:38:07 2022 No.8518391 >>8518376 both

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:40:08 2022 No.8518394 File: 459 KB, 548x552, 1537220121107.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8518373 kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:41:29 2022 No.8518397 >>8518391 Well it looks way better than the original, thats a good sign.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 05:49:26 2022 No.8518408 >>8513594 >Doom was the first FPS >Doom plays like a cover shooter >Quake is too bullet spongey >RTCW is a console shooter >Duke Nukem 3D is the worst shooter on the Build Engine

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 06:41:57 2022 No.8518472 one time i had a dream of doomguy cosplay as cirno but with his helmet still on

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 06:48:49 2022 No.8518482 >>8517943 looks great. but you forgot the even more neckbeard options which is using the terminal.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 07:56:21 2022 No.8518565

>>8517379
I would often go to Map15: Industrial Zone to test out mods. The level has enough vertical variety and nonlinearity that you can fuck around with abilities and go almost anywhere you want.
Only real problem is most of the enemies are zombie fodder, so it's not very good for testing out bigger guns.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 07:59:44 2022 No.8518571 >>8517943 Is there any room to mention Crispy Doom?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 08:04:57 2022 No.8518578 >>8517914 Pretty fun for a bit, some neat weapons. May have my least favorite implementation of a “key hunt” and the respawning enemies/no respawning ammo is a terrible shooter trope. You’ll get more out of it if you want first person platforming.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 08:08:30 2022 No.8518584 >>8515327 >>8515353 it is good shit the ToD style secret map is glorious

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:09:20 2022 No.8518801 Retro crispy doom+ when???

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:12:13 2022 No.8518806 >>8514139 hence why i prefer shadowarm's monster/weapon textures and the old pack for Q2 It isn't stupid it fits with the game, and it gives a 1999/2000 remaster look

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:21:23 2022 No.8518819 >>8518806 Does he do those gross upscaled textures? Original Carmack, Cloud, and Steed assets or bust.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:24:41 2022 No.8518827 >>8518801 I just want the colored blood and mirrored corpses for DSDA.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:33:09 2022 No.8518846 >>8515336 I like the style of Ancient Aliens but the difficulty itself, well, I am not UV player and I am ok with it. Too much Revenants and Archviles/10.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:38:07 2022 No.8518859 >Map wads folder: 4,73GB (186 files) >Gameplay mod wads folder: 3,25GB (74 files) I need to get more wads.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:42:05 2022 No.8518869 >>8518859 That and gameplay mods can get fat as hell.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:44:01 2022 No.8518878 >>8518869 Anything with MP3 music as well. Didn't the idgames archive just blow up in size the same year ZDoom added in support for it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:50:31 2022 No.8518893 >>8518846 >Too much Revenants and Archviles/10. The speedy boys filter another! But honestly AA as a whole felt harder than Valiant and all the enemy types were well placed and utilized.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:50:53 2022 No.8518896 File: 1.96 MB, 1920x1080, q2_0077.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8518819 I upscaled them but kept what steed wanted in high res. Upscaling-Fu works as long as you edit the input to receive the right details.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:52:38 2022 No.8518898 File: 1.57 MB, 1920x1080, q2_0075.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8518896

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:54:01 2022 No.8518902 >>8513594 I've seen retards who have never played Doom try to argue that Doom 1 and 2 are survival horror games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:54:41 2022 No.8518904 >>8518896 Not a fan at all >>8518898 Better, but where’s her weird mouth?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:56:29 2022 No.8518907 >>8518896 >Upscaling-Fu works as long as you edit the input to receive the right details. Would you mind spoonfeeding what upscaler you use that allows for adjusting for detail? I've only really used waifu2x.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 10:56:52 2022 No.8518908 >>8518902 The meme that Doom was keyboard only is fuel for this >>”it’s even got tank controls, bru”

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:03:00 2022 No.8518920
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>>8518904
The The idea is simply making them look like they are in Q4 and QC, beautiful greiss amazons and human females turned into maidens, the pain is still the same, since the original maiden texture looked rushed as fuck after they ditched the original plated legs in beta.

>>8518907
I simply used fatality upscaler and IEU program for this.
but if you try to upscale raw without early edits to add more detail to the texture, it looks like shit and full of artifacts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:06:08 2022 No.8518929 File: 1.31 MB, 1512x1512, 9A186FEB-3A90-4C5B-B0BD-FA15D381B13D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8518920 I don’t like the Q4 direction, too many mouthmasks and too much flesh for the tougher dudes. I respect but dislike your idea.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:11:16 2022 No.8518943
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>>8518929
the fact that many stuff like this got edited out of beta annoys me a lot.
Rogue has unused calls for custom maiden textures, i think it was supposed to be the widow's own maiden guard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:16:49 2022 No.8518947 >>8518902 To be fair that is what it felt like when I first played Doom as a kid, keyboard only, on my mother's work computer that didn't have any sound

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:22:02 2022 No.8518961
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>>8518943
It’s a striking visual regardless. The prettier the iron maiden, the less intimidating they are. I really value the bits of the Strogg that do this, I’m the guy that likes tanks fashioning a stretched human face on their head chassis.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:23:55 2022 No.8518965 >>8518947 >that didn't have any sound Key point here, it’s a very different experience without the initial metal midis. Somewhat related, trying to run Doom and mouse drivers were too intensive for some.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:26:36 2022 No.8518974 >>8518943 Is there any Q2 restoration mod? Like one for both the beta and console ports.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:46:47 2022 No.8519023

>>8516580
My god I need to experience this. I know zero russian but it must be awesome.

>>8517602
>At least it’s out, unlike all the other 3DR games that are about to be vapor or shovelware.

Well cant argue with that. So much for a indie fps renaissance. Just hope gloomwood gets out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:49:10 2022 No.8519031 >>8518961 the widow wasnt bad looking either and it was OP as fuck. the thing is that he maiden feels like a unfinished enemy Q4 maiden is more threatening with the teleportation and telekinesis.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:50:00 2022 No.8519032 >>8519023 Plenty of indie boomer shooters coming out the ones that get finished just won't be from 3DR I personally look forward to Viscerafest

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:53:31 2022 No.8519040 >>8519023 >So much for a indie fps renaissance. The smartest were the few that got out before everyone realized the existence of quality Doom and Quake mods - all costing zero dollars, and there’s plenty of them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:55:17 2022 No.8519046 >>8519031 >the thing is that he maiden feels like a unfinished enemy Everyone in base Q2 feels unfinished. Maiden’s start getting busted with mods and expansions, and I still dislike the Strogg art direction in 4.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 11:57:13 2022 No.8519049
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>>8519040
And also Half life mods, and the bottomless well of Thief gigantic fan missions. And some of Duke.

Regardless I love some of these experiments like elderborne. Its good to experience good fps, rts or rpgs even simulation games before it all turns to streaming shit in a couple years\decades.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:02:17 2022 No.8519058 File: 63 KB, 550x698, 26F1AE8C-7C79-4A91-AAE6-9EA0E2C47346.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8519046 *dislike all but the new gladiator

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:12:36 2022 No.8519084 >>8519049 I admit, without the minor resurgance. I likely wouldn’t have gotten Fury or Overload and a few other minor ones - but I think after Overload bombed I knew where things were heading.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:15:19 2022 No.8519090

>>8518571
On the left side, I could put a box for more sourceport options. It could include that, FDWL, and LZDoom. I've also been asked if I could include Freedoom, which can probably fit in the right side with a description like
>If for some reason you can't buy Doom and don't want to pirate it, you can also go ahead and download Freedoom, a free alternative to Doom that will let you run mods and blah blah but you should definitely get the real IWADs as soon as possible because Freedoom isn't perfect

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:33:44 2022 No.8519146 File: 968 KB, 1920x2160, doom3(2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8518920 tried upscaling doom3

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:35:02 2022 No.8519150 File: 815 KB, 1920x2160, doom3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8519146

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:36:44 2022 No.8519154 File: 751 KB, 1920x2160, doom3(1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8519150

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:43:37 2022 No.8519164 upscaling works better with doom 3 and post 2000 games because of higher res and more detailed textures. with pre 2000's fps games it needs tons of edit before upscaling or after it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:47:26 2022 No.8519178 >>8519164 That’s the impression I’ve got. Those three pictures are very nice. Is that the “don’t mod me” BFG edition? It’s the one I’ve been stuck with since I lost my CDs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:48:46 2022 No.8519184 File: 41 KB, 900x500, png-clipart-doom-3-cyberdemon-zdoom-bfg-sprite-commander-keen-legendary-creature-carnivoran.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:49:38 2022 No.8519187

>>8518578
I thought the key hunt was a great idea for making the levels semi non-linear and allowing you to completely explore the levels rather than locked you in certain sections. Much prefer it over searching classic "you can progress until you find the blue key". REspawning enemies is a bit shite I'll admit though, that being said the ammo pickups respawn as well so you always have enough to kill enemies as long as you aren't shooting every useless melee enemy you see.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:52:30 2022 No.8519197 >>8519178 there's no reason to use bfg edition just pirate doom 3

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:53:12 2022 No.8519202
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>>8516289
RPGCodex is like Reddit but for oldfags, I don't know what the fuck you're expecting.

>>8516819
Very atmospheric, has some pretty high highs but also a couple of really low lows.
I think that it's worth playing just to see what it's like, you'll probably find at least a few levels you'll really like.

I love the music, and I think it leans even harder on Doom's original 'used future' aesthetic in a way which is just tops.

>>8516884
That's actually a great way of putting it.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:54:15 2022 No.8519205

>>8519187
>Much prefer it over searching classic "you can progress until you find the blue key".
In Turok it’s “you can’t progress into the next level because you didn’t find the key”. It’s worse.
>that being said the ammo pickups respawn as well
Not above normal.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:54:43 2022 No.8519207

i think if it were to proper remaster doom 3, Quake 4 or any idtech 4 game
>Obvious 4k textures
>Optimized and tessellated models and skeleton, so MD5 models.
>Fix the normalmaps, if anything replace it with PBR
>Keep the light and shadows as it is, but add working HDR and AO.
In quake 4's case, use the old youtube Raytracting videos demonstrating how it could be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKQU9cKwNyQ

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 12:59:00 2022 No.8519226 File: 86 KB, 1080x764, apu1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8519090 I suppose you could do that, but I don't want it to feel like you have to. I'd hate for us to overwhelm you with suggestions for this thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:00:01 2022 No.8519231 >>8519184 Doom 3 is so dark I never noticed he didn't have any fucking eyes

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:01:32 2022 No.8519236 >>8519207 >>8519197 >>8519207 Is it safe to assume that modding Quake 4 is the same as modding pre-BFG Doom 3?

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:03:03 2022 No.8519238

>>8519207
also, this was Pentium 4 early Dual Core Era.
it took a literal monster with 10 intel processors to run this back then.
i wish the planet quake archives had the link of this demo and interview.

>>8519231
Doom 3 is dark if playing on CRT Screens since the color and shadows blends with it.
on modern screens doom 3 is brighter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:03:15 2022 No.8519240 >>8519226 I mean, I have to fill these spaces with something. Plus, it's always good to have criticism, especially for something like an infographic.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:05:18 2022 No.8519247

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0417eHhMWQ
>4 hours
i was just looking for a quake 3 cyberdemon model because i know of the arachnotron one
i think the q3 arachno even made it so the ingame gun replaced the cannon but i wonder if the same applied to the q3 cybie
like orbb in general

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:05:51 2022 No.8519249 >>8519231 Pinkies, Hell Knights, Cyberdemon, all don’t have eyes I think. It’s an interesting theme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:09:14 2022 No.8519261 >>8519249 i thought hellknights did but they were just weird then the imp have like 10 d3 designs are just all over the place

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:09:15 2022 No.8519262 >>8519058 Wasn't this design made by a Q3 modeler giving his take on what Q4 enemies would look like? And then they liked it so much they hired him?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:09:55 2022 No.8519265 >>8519247 why is this over 4 hours long

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:12:45 2022 No.8519272

>>8519262
What the what, really? If that’s true no wonder I like it so much, I wonder if he had input on any others because it’s the only design I like.
>>8519247
That’s a fun skin. The slight tilt while moving is a nice touch, makes me curious about those third person Q2 posts I’ve seen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:13:14 2022 No.8519275 >>8519247 There's definitely one somewhere on worldspawn complete with team colors, but I don't remember it being on the same level as the arachnotron

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:23:35 2022 No.8519297
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>>8519272
If I'm remembering the story right, a guy modeled this, called it the Gladiator, and it started making the rounds on Polycount. id or Raven liked it so much that they hired him. Can't remember his name, but he might be in the credits somewhere.
He also made his own interpretation of the Iron Maiden, though I don't know if it influenced the Q4 design at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:25:30 2022 No.8519304 >>8519297 also apologies for the darkness, quake3e and obs don't seem to play nice with getting the in-game brightness

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:33:34 2022 No.8519325 Why is the dialogue so hard to read in Ashes, goddamn

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:39:31 2022 No.8519349

>>8519205
>“you can’t progress into the next level because you didn’t find the key
But that also applies to the class blue key thing since you are literally just stuck in that one section of the map and can't progress. Turok at least fixes the problem within the level itself because you are never stuck in certain areas, its all open to you from the start.
>Not above normal.
Oh really? I guess thats fair if you pick the harder modes though, I always do my first playthroughs on normal unless I feel the game is being boring because they make you invincible on normal (modern day AAA normal difficulties).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 13:57:18 2022 No.8519392 THE GUN IS GOOD

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:05:44 2022 No.8519410

>>8519349
>But that also applies to the class blue key thing since you are literally just stuck in that one section of the map and can't progress
Depends on how the level is designed. Sometimes the locked section is a small room with an encounter and another key, sometimes a key is optional, and other times the keys keep only the exit locked and you have full reign of the level. Turok is MULTIPLE keys required to unlock proceeding levels, they should’ve had a more universal and relaxed system like Mario 64.
>I always do my first playthroughs on normal unless I feel the game is being boring because they make you invincible on normal
It’s very boring for me on normal, the faster enemy behavior is really fun to deal with.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:12:12 2022 No.8519434 >>8519297 It’s a very solid Q2-inspired design, it’s a funny contrast to things like the grunts and teleport droppers (a pinky that summons enemies…).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:19:32 2022 No.8519450 File: 2.93 MB, 320x200, 1641429176156.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Saw this webm a few threads ago, what mod is it? Also why are Marathon 2 and Infinity completely void of music?

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:19:49 2022 No.8519452

>>8519410
>they should’ve had a more universal and relaxed system like Mario 64.
That would have been good too, but I think Turok's system is still a big step up from standard FPS level design. You are still going to progress through levels in order mostly, but I think inside the levels is a lot more free than usual. There are some levels in some games that have a turok's idea where they basically put three gates at the end of the level, requiring thee different keys; which I think is better design. Especially since Turok's levels are pretty darn big, like really massive.
> the faster enemy behavior
For what, melee enemies? I don't think they have any tracking or anything on them and stun themselves when they attack (usually), so they play like pinkies where even if you made them teleport on top of you it doesn't really matter since they still aren't a threat. I found mostly the hitscan enemies are the main problem, which I'm sure become cancer at higher difficulties since they already have almost no reaction time. Seemed like a Blood situation where I really didn't want to slow the gameplay down because hitscan becomes too damaging to play fast on higher difficulties.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:22:01 2022 No.8519459 help i can't stop playing doom to run away from IRL problems

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:25:29 2022 No.8519463 >>8519450 coming of the storm

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:30:22 2022 No.8519474

>>8519452
>Especially since Turok's levels are pretty darn big, like really massive.
It also compounds the key system being so detrimental to the experience. The keys are not a choice, you need them all, and if you’re someone who found normal “too normal” the issues are even more exemplified when having to scan the large levels of respawning enemies/no respawning ammo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:34:17 2022 No.8519484 >>8519459 At least it's not alcohol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:36:42 2022 No.8519489 >>8519450 I will say the ambient atmosphere of the Marathon sequels is pretty neat; exploring alien ruins while all you can hear is rushing water and blowing wind is quite a mood.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:41:04 2022 No.8519503

>>8519474
>The keys are not a choice, you need them all
But the same applies to normal keys, maybe even worse because if you get stuck on one key you don't have the option of searching the rest of the level for the other one while you think. Which is basically my point, is that Turok solves some of the issue with keys, and allows for much more freedom in how you approach a level. Yes you do need keys to open the next level, but in normal FPS level design you need a key just to get to the next key - and then the final key afterwards to finish the level.

I do have to ask if you were really running out of ammo though, I said there was respawning ammo as a nod to the devs giving you leeway for that, but I don't think I ever really needed it. As long as you are not killing every single beetle, raptor, and jumping frog thing it seemed like you are given more than enough ammo to finish the stage 4 times over. Not to mention if you are picking hard difficulty its sort of your own fault since you aren't conserving ammo properly, and getting stuck in the level is punished since its suppose to be hard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:43:04 2022 No.8519505 >>8519463 Thank you! >>8519489 I still have to finish the first game, which seems kind of meh by comparison. Although it has some good music.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:43:49 2022 No.8519507 >>8519505 the music in the original Marathon is pretty great; I'm especially fond of Leela https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSKFROqB6iY

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 14:59:44 2022 No.8519538

>>8519503
>But the same applies to normal keys, maybe even worse because if you get stuck on one key you don't have the option of searching the rest of the level for the other one while you think.
…Assuming the level in question even uses keys! As stated, it depends on how the level is designed: The order of key acquisition, how many doors they unlock, the sections that are locked, the freedom of order of key acquisition - there’s plenty of options for level design.
>Not to mention if you are picking hard difficulty its sort of your own fault since you aren't conserving ammo properly
Yeup, I was not aware respawning enemies/non-respawning ammo was a thing going into it. I simply chose the higher difficulty because normal was boring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:02:56 2022 No.8519549 >>8518943 Are brains actually in the final game? I dont remember them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:05:31 2022 No.8519553 >>8519549 They’re there, just mostly harmless zombie fodder. This is completely changed with the first expansion.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:10:27 2022 No.8519563

>>8519538
> there’s plenty of options for level design.
Thats what we are talking about though, my point is that Turok's option is better than standard fps options. Normally for instance most Doom levels are actually incredible linear despite what others pretend when they post maze maps, because you are locked out of the vast majority of it due to keys. Turok gives you the entire map all at once (mostly, naturally it isn't a perfect game so it does have some sections where you just follow the path) and they says you get to figure it out however you want to.

>I was not aware respawning enemies
Oh really? I noticed them teleporting in during the first 5 minutes or so. I'm actually playing level 7 now on hard to see what kind of experience its like, since its my first time playing it. Luckily its pretty light on the hitscan so its still pretty easy because the enemies don't have tracking on their projectiles, and the melee enemies stun themselves like pinkies do. I'm just worried once the hitscan start appearing I'll have to slow way down instead of rushing in everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:19:09 2022 No.8519575 >>8519549 they're very rare, and are essentially momentary distractions

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:22:55 2022 No.8519584

>>8519563
>Thats what we are talking about though, my point is that Turok's option is better than standard fps options.
Turok’s style can be recreated in Doom. Also, “having to go to a place” (a key) to “open another place” (locked door) isn’t terribly boring by itself, and Doom levels already vary in linearity and openness. Modern Doom maps even moreso, but are often better.
Hexen also had a better take on what Turok was trying to do, and even has some choice in level progression.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:24:29 2022 No.8519590 >>8519563 >Oh really? I noticed them teleporting in during the first 5 minutes or so. So did I, that’s why I said “going into it”. I was quite surprised when ammo wouldn’t respawn or drop.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:25:50 2022 No.8519593 what do turok fans think of the golden souls series? i also wonder what batandy thinks of turok >go ask him yourself i will maybe

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:29:53 2022 No.8519604 File: 205 KB, 600x538, winnie.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >play DOOM for the first time in my life because everyone remembers it so fondly and it defined the FPS genre >episodes 2 and 3 are shit >so is episode 4

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:32:31 2022 No.8519613 >>8519604 correct the vast majority of people only played e1

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:37:02 2022 No.8519627 >>8519593 Batandy often posts here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:39:35 2022 No.8519632 >>8519604 Episode 2 is my favorite, 3 is okay because it started Doom’s weird hell styles. Episode 4 has a few cool levels but otherwise feels like a phone-in.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:40:13 2022 No.8519635 >>8519604 All episodes are great. Especially 4. Though nostalgia might be one of main reasons why most people love it. I played it shitloads when I was a kid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:44:24 2022 No.8519653 >>8515235 I used nblood for Blood and replayed it again recently. It's my favorite Build game and nothing's topped it before or since. Loved that Death Wish fan mod, too. Really good shit and apparently he's planning on making another episode.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:46:32 2022 No.8519659

>>8519584
>>8519590
>Turok’s style can be recreated in Doom
Well any style can be recreated with mods. I just think as a base game Turok has some great level design allowing you freedom to explore and go almost anywhere that you wish to, a feature usually lacking even in 90's fps that were known for their more complex level design. Yet it doesn't really fall for open world memes where you just wonder about in areas filled with nothing, there are always secrets, ammo/armor/hp, new paths, chronosphere pieces, keys, etc to find. It reminds me a bit of Metroid games where once you have a certain power up you are given multiple paths to choose from that all interconnect with each other. Except instead of powerups you need keys to progress.

>Hexen also had a better take on what Turok was trying to do
I still haven't played it, what did it do better?
I keep procrastinating on playing the doom clones because I find the 2.5d games are just kind of... jank. I can't stand having no y axis aiming, no headshots, no proper jumping, autoaim, etc. I know you can mod them out to eventually work like that half the time, but its still janked to hell and back compared to post-quake games. Not to mention you aren't even playing the real game anymore at that point, instead of hexen it would be more like hexen rebooted.

>I was quite surprised when ammo wouldn’t respawn or drop.
I finished level 7 on hard and I have to say they give a shit ton of ammo to get it done. I think you would have to be stuck for ages to run out, not to mention constantly killing the respawning enemies instead of just ignoring them. I wonder if you had issues because you played it too much like a standard shooter, to me as soon as I see respawning enemies I think in terms of something like Metroid - if I don't have to kill it, then leave it be unless I have excess resources to do so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:49:18 2022 No.8519671 >>8519489 Only thing holding me back from Marathon is shit sourceport.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:56:27 2022 No.8519695 >>8519671 What are your grievances with Aleph One?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 15:59:59 2022 No.8519707 >>8519695 It was a couple years ago. Seems way better now that I'm looking at it again. Still wish it were a little more malleable with its settings, etc. because I'm a lazy asshole.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:03:03 2022 No.8519716 >>8511305 Is nblood abandoned? I hope not, even though I prefer BuildGDX

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:12:51 2022 No.8519739 File: 1.73 MB, 1920x1080, q2_0038.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8519297 Someone needs to port this back to Q2 it may be even the perfect choice for Oblivion Final Boss.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:14:07 2022 No.8519742

>>8519659
>I just think as a base game Turok has some great level design allowing you freedom to explore and go almost anywhere that you wish to, a feature usually lacking even in 90's fps that were known for their more complex level design.
I think the amount of linearity and freedom the classics + Final Doom exposed set a much better standard. These days you can get atmospheric TNT levels with “Containment Area” kinds of freedom and then some. I’ve also been working my way through NRFTL and it’s incredible right out the gate with map01.
>What did it do better?
Level design, variety and progression and hub design, variety and progression. It was also made with jumping and vertical aiming in mind.
>I wonder if you had issues because you played it too much like a standard shooter
Lol I’m certainly not wondering, it’s the whole reason I mentioned the finite ammo against respawning enemies in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:16:32 2022 No.8519757 >>8519604 Doom 2 and doom 64 are way better than doom 1

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:17:46 2022 No.8519767 >>8519739 Can Q2 support enemies shooting multiple types of projectiles simultaneously?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:19:44 2022 No.8519775 >>8519757 I only played Doom 2 and shareware Doom 1 as a kid, but Shores of Hell is still my favorite episode of Doom 1. Plutonia is my favorite IWAD overall.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:19:47 2022 No.8519776
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I have never before experienced motion sickness while playing a video game before in my entire life until Shadow Warrior. Good game but Jesus Christ the perspective makes me want to puke. Classic renderer actually makes me nauseous. Polymost is better but skyboxes still make me feel sick. Are all build games like this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:19:51 2022 No.8519778 >>8519767 yes with a few shenanigans. But Q2 needs its own Quakespasm Spiked port

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:25:42 2022 No.8519794 >>8519776 You'll get used to it you baby.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:26:30 2022 No.8519801 >>8519776 For me it was Marathon before I figured out the FOV script. >>8519778 Kmquake 2 has been nice at least.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:28:49 2022 No.8519809 >>8519801 But without Oblivion Support is a No-Go Knightmare offered a solution, which is decompile on linux the io file that comes with Oblivion, and rebuild the code from there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:28:52 2022 No.8519810 File: 288 KB, 1920x1080, 1642195732029.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I finished Golden Souls remastered today.It was really good, dare I say it was soul?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:31:08 2022 No.8519819 >>8519776 You gotta squint your eyes and push your jaw back. It's only for the Chinese you see.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:31:46 2022 No.8519823 >>8519809 >Oblivion MORE lost Q2 content? These past few months have been fascinating with all the stuff I’ve ran into for this game. How are the enemies and weapons in this compared to the other expansions?

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:32:12 2022 No.8519824

>>8519584
Hexen's progression and goals are quite different from Turok... Theres no mystery in Turok, you just walk around the level until you find the keys, its fundamentally structured the same as a collectathon platformer. Hexen is more like an adventure game, where you need to find secrets and solve puzzles.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:33:56 2022 No.8519828

>>8519742
>amount of linearity and freedom the classics + Final Doom exposed set a much better standard
No way, Doom games are really rigid and linear in their execution, there is generally only one way to play through the level and thats it. God especially Doom 1/2 are really REALLY linear levels, sometimes the map makes it look like there are branching paths - but really its still point a to b because so much is locked away with cards. I know Doom 1/2 have a hold grail reputation about them, but they were some very early attempts at making FPS games, I don't think thats when level design peaked.

>Level design, variety and progression and hub design, variety and progression.
I mean like how is it better, not what is better. What makes the level design better, what makes the progression better etc.
Does Hexen has real mouselook and jumping by default? I thought it was Duke 3d who started that trend with the build engine. I don't know my history too well so do excuse me for my lack of knowledge.

>the whole reason I mentioned the finite ammo against respawning enemies in the first place
That you can't just shoot everything in sight like a standard shooter on hard+ difficulty because of non infinite ammo? Its about the same as needing to cause infighting in Doom maps on UV+ because they don't give you enough ammo, I mean its your choice to play on harder difficulties I don't see how its a negative. If you weren't good enough to hold off on your ammo then just lower the difficulty, I didn't have a problem with it even on level 7 just now. Those hitscan red mechs on hard mode are complete dicks though, ended up having to peak them on corners which I hate doing - but thats the price you pay for higher difficulty hitscanners in an FPS. Just like Blood.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:34:43 2022 No.8519830

>>8519707
The mouse felt absolutely horrible until like last year.
>>8519776
Have you ever played other Build games in software (classic) mode? Looking up and down is really hacky and weird because it basically skews everything. And the skyboxes are just parallax textures.
Try using 3D skyboxes: https://www.moddb.com/games/shadow-warrior/addons/shadow-warrior-skyboxes

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:35:15 2022 No.8519834 >>8519776 try something like raze with hardware acceleration.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:36:33 2022 No.8519836
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>>8519823
it its own beast, unfinished without its last map unlike unseen, and there is even some map fixes at celephais.
it has unique enemies, weapons and nasty AI included.

also the textures are really well done, even upscaled.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:36:40 2022 No.8519838 >>8519830 >The mouse felt absolutely horrible until like last year. Absolute shit yeah. Glad they fixed it. It's actually playable now.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:42:25 2022 No.8519856

>>8519830
>Have you ever played other Build games in software (classic) mode?
I have not. I lost my build virginity to SW.

>Looking up and down is really hacky and weird because it basically skews everything.
I noticed that. It's like they rendered it with a really wide vertical FOV and just zoomed in and panned up and down. Polymost fixes it but I still get nauseous from the backgrounds.

>Try using 3D skyboxes
Thanks. Though I don't plan on coming back to Shadow Warrior anytime soon. Next game on my roster is going to me Duke Nukem 3D

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:45:05 2022 No.8519870 >>8519856 >It's like they rendered it with a really wide vertical FOV and just zoomed in and panned up and down. That's exactly how freelook works in 2.5d software rendered engines like Doom and Build.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:47:52 2022 No.8519882 >>8517086 >have a channel nobody knows about and nobody watches >care about sensitive content I really don't get you dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:48:52 2022 No.8519889 >>8519882 That's mean, anon

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:54:57 2022 No.8519908

>>8519828
>No way
E2M2 baby, and Doom 2 would be messy but introduce fun and open-ended level ideas in Tricks and Traps and Downtown. Plutonia doesn’t get as strictly linear either and has my favorite “Downtown-like” level, and again you need to try NRFTL.
But you haven’t even played Hexen, so I have no idea what else you haven’t played.
>I mean like how is it better
It’s a lot more interesting to navigate, the level design is more elaborate, and it’s more fun to go back and forth between the levels and the hubs they’re connected to. And yes it was made with vertical aiming and jumping in mind.
>Its about the same as needing to cause infighting in Doom maps on UV+ because they don't give you enough ammo
You shouldn’t be comparing to Doom’s UV+ but it’s Nightmare difficulty where I also don’t enjoy the respawning enemies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:55:15 2022 No.8519909 File: 21 KB, 128x128, 1641959168007.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8518408 >>Doom plays like a cover shooter Has anyone ever said this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:57:56 2022 No.8519920 >>8519909 >shoot shotgun >hide around corner while reloading Oh yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:58:52 2022 No.8519923 >>8519809 What bits of Oblivion don't work? I started a game and the only issue I saw was with the friendly AI at the start, but I haven't gotten too far.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:59:06 2022 No.8519924 >>8519920 >reloading

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:59:43 2022 No.8519926 >>8519882 bruh, how do you even know that

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 16:59:49 2022 No.8519927

>>8519909
i mean, there's hitscan and the default movement is slow while always_run's closest in vanilla was the config files
tho it's more situational and not an hint that "doom 3 is the ideal doom"
if anything, both cover and running was ideal in specific situations

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:00:09 2022 No.8519929 >>8519924 Okay >pumping >putting shells into barrel

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:00:45 2022 No.8519932 >>8519909 >Has anyone ever said this? the people who do are just babies defending modern fps like COD.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:02:24 2022 No.8519939

>>8519929
There you go. Also if there's that many enemies that's on you for using the shotguns when you most likely have a chaingun or another better suited weapon for that encounter.
and if you don't, that's on the map maker for either being incompetent or possibly just an asshole.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:03:48 2022 No.8519943 >>8519923 https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62112

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:07:41 2022 No.8519952

>>8519939
>Also if there's that many enemies that's on you for using the shotguns when you most likely have a chaingun or another better suited weapon for that encounter.
Shotgun is pretty ideal for some spread out and squishy scanners actually, you break line-of-sight inbetween shots and during pumps. But if there’s a chance of a nearby chaingunner ambush that’s when I’d want to chaingun out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:09:06 2022 No.8519953 >>8519909 Compared to 2016 and Eternal the original Doom really is more of a cover shooter

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:14:06 2022 No.8519970 Powerslave is coming next month https://twitter.com/pripyatbeast/status/1481534643711053824

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:14:07 2022 No.8519971 >>8519953 That’s what I’d expect when everything is a potential health source.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:22:07 2022 No.8519989 >>8519926 I am smart and resourceful and you should call me "padrino".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:22:41 2022 No.8519994 >>8519953 thats not really a fair comparison,especially when a "cover shooter" is alot more specific and even when they mean it as more of a catch-all term,its relative to a lot of games,not just literally 2 games,or a small sub-genre.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:25:43 2022 No.8520009

>>8519908
>E2M2
You mean the level where you run over to the yellow key, then get the blue, then red, and then finish the level after opening the red door to raise the platform all in a straight line? I just replayed it to make sure I'm not going insane, but I think we have very different ideas of what linearity means.
>so I have no idea what else you haven’t played.
Not much pre-quake, only Doom 1/2, plutonia, some wads, Duke, Blood, and maybe some other stuff I forgot about. I really don't like the pre Quake shooting, its just not real 3d, especially the games before the build engine. Even doom movement is off, its like floating on iceskates, you let go of the key and keep sliding around for a second afterwards. Don't really like em, and the level design isn't nearly as amazing as people pretend. Mods like Arcane Dimensions absolutely blow classic doom level design away, and thats should be expect since they have 20 years to learn fps level design over classic Doom 1/2.
>It’s a lot more interesting to navigate,
Is it more open? What locks your progression? What makes it more elaborate? I have a feeling you might not be able to express it so I'll probably just have to play it myself.
>You shouldn’t be comparing to Doom’s UV+ but it’s Nightmare difficulty
I shouldn't, because Doom's Nightmare is a joke difficulty added to shut people up after the fact that is completely unbalanced, while in Turok enemies respawn even on normal mode since its a part of the game. Its different game with different balance and different mechanics. The similarity is that you are picking a harder difficulty, and then complaining about it being hard. Just lower the difficulty if you can't keep up, I didn't find it to be a problem even on a late level like 7.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:25:46 2022 No.8520010 >>8519909 Contrarian faggots who are trying to ruin one of the few decent generals left. Fuck 'em.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:28:35 2022 No.8520028 >>8519994 You're right. The original Doom is 10% shooting demons, 90% running around a sprawling empty map looking for some stupid ass keycard for 20 minutes.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:33:10 2022 No.8520042

>>8519953
hey, at least it's a shooter. you kill stuff with guns.
in eternal killing with guns is a fail state, what you're really supposed to do is use a gun that's just-bad-enough to not kill an enemy so you can kill it in a cutscene instead. how lame!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:33:56 2022 No.8520048 >>8520028 nah man,you're thinking of marathon,that game is an un-ironic maze

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:47:16 2022 No.8520090 >>8519507 For me it's Aliens Again

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:53:29 2022 No.8520107 >>8520028 Doom isn't that maze-like unless you are going for 100%.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 17:55:57 2022 No.8520114 >>8520042 >what you're really supposed to do is use a gun that's just-bad-enough to not kill an enemy so you can kill it in a cutscene instead Only when you need resources.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:00:09 2022 No.8520125 >>8520114 All the time then?

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:04:34 2022 No.8520136

>>8520009
>You mean the level where you run over to the yellow key, then get the blue, then red, and then finish the level after opening the red door to raise the platform all in a straight line?
If that’s what you wanted to do, sure. You don’t need that yellow key by the way, it’s optional, but the otherwise circular nature of the level gives you freedom to explore and is not ruined by the order of two locked doors.
>Just lower the difficulty if you can't keep up
That’s where I started, wasn’t enjoying myself, restarted on a harder difficulty, wasn’t enjoying myself - and realized it’s not the kind of shooter I expected it to be. There’s nothing to solve here, really, so I just play other shooters that provide what I want.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:04:36 2022 No.8520137 >>8520042 Eternal is a first-person Character Action Game, not a shooter. I'm saying this as someone who loved Eternal. Just wish it had a style meter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:05:00 2022 No.8520139 File: 392 KB, 800x600, FRIDAY_NIGHT_FIREFIGHT_49_MOTHERFUCKERS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hastily put together Friday Night Firefight time! You think we'd have these figured out by now. Join or suffer, peons. 104.128.49.2:10757

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:07:49 2022 No.8520146 >>8520137 >Character Action Game God fucking damnit that sounds so goddamn retarded. Who fucking came up with that name?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:09:47 2022 No.8520152 >>8520146 I don't know and I agree that it sounds stupid, but I can't really think of a much better name myself that isn't specific to Devil May Cry

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:10:00 2022 No.8520154 >>8520146 Same crew who coined “multiplayer online battle arena” I imagine, but at least that is similar to “DOTA”.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:11:08 2022 No.8520159 >>8520152 What are some modernized and popular “action games” that aren’t “character action games”?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:13:47 2022 No.8520167 >>8520154 >>8520152 I think Spectacle Fighter is a good term for it. It's a fighter, with emphasis on the spectacle, a la Ultrakill, DMC, or any game with a style meter to be truthful

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:16:01 2022 No.8520172 >>8520167 I knew there was a better name for it, there it is. >>8520159 The Batman games, Spiderman games, Prototype, etc. Shadow of Mordor arguably borders on spectacle fighter.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:17:40 2022 No.8520176
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>>8520167
I think the term Character Action Game originated from Japan. Spectacle Fighter is from Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation.
I prefer Character Action Game. Though I also prefer the term Shooting Game over SHMUP so what do I know?

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:20:06 2022 No.8520185

>>8520154
>“multiplayer online battle arena”
It's literally and unironically a forced term made up by chinese propagandists hired by Riot Games. They came up with "MOBA" because before that games like LoL were commonly called "Dota clones" or something like that and they forced their meme on a global scale to avoid being defined through the competing game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:26:39 2022 No.8520202 >>8520172 >The Batman games, Spiderman games, Prototype, etc. Those also all have an openworld emphasis, don’t they?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:37:17 2022 No.8520225 >>8520167 I think Spectacle Fighter makes them sound more like fighting games, which is why I still prefer Character Action Game even though its pretty bloated and weird

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:38:06 2022 No.8520232 >>8520202 Yes, but that's not the point, the point is the combat system. You could argue that some action MMOs like BDO and Warframe also border on spectacle fighter territory.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:41:50 2022 No.8520241 File: 51 KB, 442x610, 1600051385341.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520232 >Yes, but that's not the point I know, I'm more trying to recall if there's any recent and regular "action games".

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:42:13 2022 No.8520245

>>8520167
They're just 3D beat em ups. There is nothing fundamentally different genre-wise between something like Streets of Rage or Shadow Over Mystara and DMC. Both kinds of games lock you into a room where you beat up mobs until you can scroll forward/go to the next room, both kinds of games have been compared to fighting games. Except DMC has a style meter, way more moves and some very light exploration and platforming.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:44:10 2022 No.8520251 >>8520245 Yeah, the fundamental difference is the designer intent rather than actual design.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:48:02 2022 No.8520260

>>8520136
Well you want the yellow key if you want secrets, but yes technically you just run over to the blue key then red and the level is over in like 30 seconds. Its pretty poorly designed in general where 90% of the map is utterly pointless and nothing connects together. It has the classic Doom maze design where everything is just questionable dead ends that don't connect to each other, and the real level ends up being a linear path because of that. It is better than for example a literal one way path like in a game such as Call of Duty, but I don't think being better than the lowest effort possible is really what peak design should be. Its something that these later levels of Turok falls into such as level 6 Treetop Village, which I didn't really find as good as the other maps. In fact levels 7 and 8 were also not that great either, its like more standard 90's fps Doom type maps where you are shuttled along a path and have some deadends with maybe a switch to open a door if you're lucky.

>and realized it’s not the kind of shooter I expected it to be.
Well that sounds fine, but that wasn't the way you were coming off before. It came off more as a criticism of the game rather than just you not liking its style. I don't particularity like infinite respawning enemies that much, but I think Turok handles it find and the more I played on hard and went through the older levels I had already cleared the more I realized that they actually fine tuned the respawning very well. The caves are the only places with very high respawn rates, but its only ever spawning the easily avoided frog enemies which makes me think its very intentional. On the normal difficulty the game ever hands you infinte ammo, so I personally can't judge it for what it did, its well done for what it is. The one good thing about infinite enemies is that while traveling through the levels you always have enemies to preoccupy your attention, which makes treading old ground more enjoyable I think.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:49:56 2022 No.8520268 Yknow I never noticed until someone pointed it out but it is kinda weird we don't have a Blood guide in the OP, feel like questions about which source port to use are asked way more frequently than for stuff like Thief or Serious Sam

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:50:33 2022 No.8520270 >fall into nukage pit >no teleporter or lift >have to sit there and die thanks sandy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:51:30 2022 No.8520276 >>8520152 Beatemup

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:51:49 2022 No.8520279 >>8519604 there's a funny trend with shareware games where all the effort goes into the first episode to get you to buy the game, and afterwards the quality drops off because they don't give a shit and they already have your money

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:54:01 2022 No.8520292

>>8519695
the biggest problem with Aleph One is how you have to exit the game to change any settings
having to reset the game to fiddle with mouse sensitivity, and then restarting and HOPING this time you have the right setting, it's just fucking infuriating

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 18:54:22 2022 No.8520293

>>8520251
Even then you look at a game like Streets of Rage 4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-4o1Q8ZHPg
Is this a "character action game"? But it's not that different from the previous games which were just beat em ups. Did the fact that they intended to let you do flashier combos change the genre? Or is it still a beat em up because they don't grade you on your style?

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 19:01:05 2022 No.8520318

>>8520260
>Its pretty poorly designed in general where 90% of the map is utterly pointless and nothing connects together
Besides the obvious circular layout throughout the whole thing as well as the connections inbetween. Whatever point you were trying to make was lost on you being a retarded loathsome cunt who just looks at the map on a wiki.
And people can just boot up Turok+ if they bitch, piss and moan about ammo not dropping.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 19:01:08 2022 No.8520319 >>8520293 It could be considered a character action game if you were a perspective anarchist being that the originator and every big name in the genre have been 3D

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 19:01:48 2022 No.8520320 >>8516875 They probably watched multiple playthroughs first and/or savescummed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 19:03:58 2022 No.8520324 >>8520320 saving is part of the game, retard

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 19:04:44 2022 No.8520325

>>8520293
Beat em up are simple and mashy. "character action games" are closer to fighting games. It's entirely possible for a game to blur the lines, and that proves nothing. These types of autistic posts remind me of boring ass arguments over whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. Who fucking cares.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 19:20:24 2022 No.8520365 >>8520325 actually tomatoes are made from meat and plasma

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 19:31:17 2022 No.8520409 File: 17 KB, 312x144, cOEADvl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520365 >plasma M-MY FLATSCREEN!

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 19:41:48 2022 No.8520441

>>8520318
>Besides the obvious circular layout
>you being a retarded loathsome cunt who just looks at the map on a wiki.
I literally went and played the map through not once, but twice just today for this conversation. It is absolutely not a circular layout, and the vast majority of the map are just deadends with no purpose. Hell, just spawn in and turn right twice and its a dead end. Right section of the map is a deadend, top room is a dead end. The map is full of deadends like that. I know Doom is hailed as a holy grail of map design, but its really just not that good. Modders (with 20 years of extra time learning how to design) generally make maps that are far better than Classic Doom.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:00:36 2022 No.8520512

>>8520245
This is reductionist to an insane point.
No sane person would look at streets of rage (there is a 3d entry btw) and say it's the same kind of game as DMC.
I have no idea why some people don't want "new" genres and just want to use old genre terms for everything that is remotely similar.
The point of genres is to help identify a game. It's not a mark of quality. If you overuse a genre name to the point where completely different games are inside that genre, the genre is now useless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:14:35 2022 No.8520550 File: 132 KB, 1358x631, Wrongwad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520139

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:21:11 2022 No.8520567

>>8520512
>No sane person would look at streets of rage (there is a 3d entry btw) and say it's the same kind of game as DMC.
It's funny you say that because I always wanted a good 3D game that played kinda like Final Fight. When I first played DMC I thought that was it. Only after going online years later I discovered people thought it wasn't the same genre.

>The point of genres is to help identify a game. It's not a mark of quality.
I know, which is why DMC and Final Fight Streetwise are the same genre even tough FFS is garbage.

>If you overuse a genre name to the point where completely different games are inside that genre
Mario 64, Sonic 2 and Mega Man are all platformers. Serious Sam, Halo, Quake 3 and Overwatch are all FPSs. They're all completely different.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:24:19 2022 No.8520578 File: 707 KB, 300x248, 1391813767979.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520409 WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO THE CACO???

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:28:45 2022 No.8520592 >>8518182 I never had problems with gzdoom coop

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:29:30 2022 No.8520594

>>8520042
Lol completely wrong, anyone who is good never uses glory kills ever. You get health for killing enemies regardless of GK or not, GK just gives more - but also makes you stationary which allows enemies to catchup to you. Never using GK is how its meant to be played and how you will be playing on UN. The true purpose of GK are just there to look cool your first time playing and for casuals.

Now chainsaw? No defending that animation, I wish it was fast like the crucible.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:31:42 2022 No.8520601 >>8520594 >The true purpose of GK are just there to look cool your first time playing and for casuals. It's also to recharge the blood punch which is very useful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:33:16 2022 No.8520606 File: 142 KB, 1216x1088, scrap668_a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520139 now

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:37:55 2022 No.8520618

>>8520601
>blood punch
Its mostly useful later in the game when cybermancubi and doom hunters start spawning in more often, which you should have (I hope) "health for blood" or "armor for blood" upgrades which bypass this. Early game blood punches are rather pointless to charge up with GK because nothing really needs a bloodpunch and using GK slows you down too much to be worthwhile.

There are situations when you fuck up real bad and need to gk so you can charge a blood punch, but thats just because you played bad, which means GKs are actually the end result of a failstate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:38:55 2022 No.8520620 File: 14 KB, 339x270, d6mlzzf-90ca0209-2735-4771-b746-9fccdd2d6fc9.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520606 GOT DAM

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:40:39 2022 No.8520623 >>8520618 >but thats just because you played bad, or the game decided I wanted to bloodpunch a buff totem for some fucking reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:45:12 2022 No.8520634 playing heartland right now, how do you show kills/secrets count in the eternity automap?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:46:45 2022 No.8520637 File: 40 KB, 468x1187, 1409286029622.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520623 Iktf brother. Almost as annoying as when you get a "no target" as your chainsaw is literally clipping through the imp's skull.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:48:15 2022 No.8520647 File: 55 KB, 241x372, what is it.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520606 dafuq is this supposed to be?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:48:43 2022 No.8520648 >>8520647 That's a BFG you knucklehead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:49:31 2022 No.8520651 >>8520594 This isn't 2015 anymore. The new DOOM actually came out and it isn't cool to hate on GK anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:49:56 2022 No.8520654 >>8520648 Looks like a minifridge with a parchment paper box, you charcoal grill

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:50:23 2022 No.8520658 >>8520654 Yeah, have you seen the BFG sprite?

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:50:29 2022 No.8520659

>>8520567
>always wanted a good 3D game that played kinda like Final Fight.
And DMC plays nothing like final fight.
I did say "No sane person".
You're obviously another autist that for some reason hates the idea of specific genres and just want genres to be as broad (and useless) as possible.
>Mario 64, Sonic 2 and Mega Man are all platformers. Serious Sam, Halo, Quake 3 and Overwatch are all FPSs.
Hence saying "It's a platformer" or "it's an FPS" are completely pointless descriptors by themselves. All of these have more specific genres beyond just "FPS" or "platformer". Mario is a 3d platformer, megaman and sonic are action platformers, serius sam (and nudoom) are arena shooters, quake 3 is an arena multiplayer shooter, overwatch is a hero shooter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:50:51 2022 No.8520660 >>8520623 Nothing is as bad as accidentally wasting your crucible on a fodder demon

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:52:09 2022 No.8520663 >>8520658 Yeah and it looks like my cock, gottem I love your stuff, keep at it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:53:31 2022 No.8520673 File: 543 KB, 600x250, xbox.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520663 Wrong guy. I'm not the artist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:55:20 2022 No.8520678 >>8520673 Oh. Go fuck yourself whatever your name is. Kegan?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:56:18 2022 No.8520682 File: 51 KB, 500x517, 1471956129464.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520678 What the fuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:57:33 2022 No.8520686 >>8520682 You have a distinct posting style.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 20:58:45 2022 No.8520691 >>8520682 He sure turkey'd your donut, bro

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:06:05 2022 No.8520714 shots fired at kegan oh damn

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:06:38 2022 No.8520716 File: 460 KB, 2311x2301, Image1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520654

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:14:37 2022 No.8520736 >>8520714 He could probably file a lawsuit for child abuse due to his dwarfism

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:16:33 2022 No.8520738 File: 309 KB, 1300x825, 1525260348184.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520736 Man I'm just wanting to have a nice relaxing evening before working on stuff, and here you boys are breaking my balls.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:20:08 2022 No.8520748 File: 877 KB, 1230x1712, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520738 Don't worry, we're on autosage, maybe I'll go easy on you next thread. Maybe.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:20:11 2022 No.8520749

>>8520651
I don't hate GKs though, I spammed the hell out of them my first playthrough because they look cool the first few times on each monster. That being said I don't want to see the same animation play 20000 times over and over again while I replay the game, so I don't want them to be mandatory or the optimal way of playing. Luckily GKs are not mandatory and are an inferior way of playing the game, unfortunately chainsaw is mandatory and I wish it was fast like the crucible.

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:22:47 2022 No.8520760
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>>8520748
Look, just because my boy's 2 inches shorter than a Korean girl and is -technically- shorter than Samson because he's tall for a Kobold and Blaz is short for a human. Does not mean you can fucking bully him like this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:25:06 2022 No.8520774 File: 925 KB, 1920x1080, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520716 (You) Have you considered drawing the SNS screenshots in your style? >>8520760 Napoleon complex on full display here

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:31:22 2022 No.8520792 >>8520774 probably not since the ratio of hot chicks in the picture is depressingly low. sorry

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:34:11 2022 No.8520804 File: 37 KB, 103x207, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520792 um

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:36:28 2022 No.8520813 >>8515336 I think its weird to call Ancient Aliens slaughter overall. It has like two maps at most that qualify.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:37:48 2022 No.8520817 >>8520774 >image >one person in this room is an impostor

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:41:52 2022 No.8520829 >>8520792 try rule 63

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:43:09 2022 No.8520831 >>8520804 I knew someone was going to do this, I knew

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:45:47 2022 No.8520842 File: 351 KB, 2139x2138, Image1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520804 corrected picture with more aaaa

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:48:54 2022 No.8520852
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>>8520817
>Greetings fellow humAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAns, I sure do hAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAte demons, wouldn't you AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgree?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:50:58 2022 No.8520859 >>8520842 10/10

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:52:00 2022 No.8520863 File: 85 KB, 1044x239, ara.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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Anonymous Fri Jan 14 21:56:08 2022 No.8520871

>>8520637
>marauder throws up his shield for no reason
>continues to prance around with it still up
>get tired of waiting for him to attack and go somewhere else
>he multidashes across the arena at mach speed and starts rapid firing his shotgun into my back
>go to chainsaw a zombie for a moment of peace
>hitreg fails, and a cacodemon nearby zooms over and eats me because its flight information fucked up
the real eternity were the glitches we dealt with along the way

Anonymous Fri Jan 14 22:05:16 2022 No.8520894

>>8520871
>Marauder brings his shield up for enemy projectiles, even though they don't hurt him
>This is a bug, according to the developers
>There's still an arena in the Taras Nabad master level that seems designed around this behavior, where you have to fight 2 marauders in a dark circular tunnel full of constantly spawning imps and prowlers (deliberately chosen due to how hard they are to tell apart in the dark for chainsawing purposes)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 22:06:32 2022 No.8520898 File: 239 KB, 1200x675, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8520863 I bet the doominati did this

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 22:14:19 2022 No.8520930 >>8520894 >that one fog room in the Gore Nest master level where a buffed marauder constantly throws up his shield after attacking because mecha-zombie projectiles pain

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 22:18:42 2022 No.8520943 >>8520930 >Every single time they do the "LMAO 2 Marauders" thing, they just glue themselves together and proc the other's shield and dog whenever one of them throws their axe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 14 22:42:26 2022 No.8521003 >>8520943 As far as I’m aware, all they’ve done for the game besides DLC is push out remixed levels and ugly FOMO skins, I don’t think any of these glaring issues will be fixed anytime soon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 00:17:50 2022 No.8521214 What's the best Duke version?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 00:23:44 2022 No.8521230 >>8521214 in my experience all build engine sourceports not derived from eduke32 have retarded mouse input problems but i'm not very experienced

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 00:54:01 2022 No.8521284
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Hey, remember Captain Mozzarella? Turns out he's not only a good mapper and sprite artist, but he also knows his way around a midi editor. Turns out the MIDI used in his map was sequenced (but not composed) by himself in one night. On top of being a talented mapper and exceptional sprite/3DCG artist, he also had some considerable talent with MIDI. He was a jack of all trades who put a fuckton of effort in every field into a faggot mapset, and then disappeared off the face of the internet for good. This man frightens me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:00:36 2022 No.8521302 >>8521284 "Disappeared" in the sense that he stopped doom mapping and going by the name of Cpt. Mozzarella, sure. He's still out there. Dunking on inferior modders.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:01:45 2022 No.8521305 >>8521302 >Man who goes by many different names appears in different communities, puts them to shame with his superior work ethic, then leaves Sounds like the plot for a movie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:02:25 2022 No.8521308 >>8521305 A modern-day wandering ronin tale crossed with a contest/tournament plot

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:03:57 2022 No.8521314 >>8521284 Nobody remembers you, and this post is hilariously transparent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:04:22 2022 No.8521317 >>8521314 fuck off Kegan

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:04:34 2022 No.8521318 >>8521314 Wrong. Try again. I wish I had half of his talent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:05:24 2022 No.8521321 how hard is it to make an doom

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:06:01 2022 No.8521323

>>8521317
>>8521318
>under 1m response time
>2 posts
Hilarious to think that you're sitting there with the thread open on your PC and your phone at the same time, refreshing rapidly to try to get dopamine hits. Also I'm not Kegan, I've been around longer than he has. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:06:05 2022 No.8521324 >>8521284 How can one man be this based?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:06:45 2022 No.8521327 >>8521323 No you haven't.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:07:37 2022 No.8521328

>>8521321
not actually that hard if you want to make a map and don't try to do something overambitious like a retard

take your time, watch tutorials, etc

mods are a little harder

>>8521323
I honestly just guessed out of boredom, I'm done now. I know from experience how obnoxious randoms accusing others of being me is. Don't give a shit if some rando wants to shill his work on here as long as he doesn't spam.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:09:20 2022 No.8521330 >>8521317 That's not me, and neither is that post below yours. This is getting really fucking confusing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:09:42 2022 No.8521334 >>8521328 i want to make an overambitious retard doom

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:10:09 2022 No.8521336
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>>8521328
>brag so obviously in third person that only a total newfag wouldn't recognize it
>call out the wrong person
>"I'm done, this is obnoxious and I totally don't care"
Top wew. You do know you need to be 18 to post here, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:10:16 2022 No.8521337 >>8521330 This >>8521317 and this >>8521328 are both me

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:11:17 2022 No.8521339 >>8521336 chief not everyone you dislike or disagree with is the same poster

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:11:31 2022 No.8521341 >>8521336 Do you really think the guy would spend time jerking himself off instead of, I don't know, working on his shit? I posted about him because I have an appreciation for /vr/'s content creators, ergo not you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:12:17 2022 No.8521347 >>8521341 >Do you really think the guy would spend time jerking himself off instead of, I don't know, working on his shit? Yes, I 110% do believe that.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:24:07 2022 No.8521372
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Schizo newfaggotry aside, it's time to get back to work. Next section is WADs. The image has been made wider to make more room for mods. There's an estimate of 6 new spaces. Any thing that should be removed? Any suggestions for additions? Here's some old notes I took on the subject of addition.
>Doom Zero
>Three's a Crowd
>Eviternity
>TNT: Revilution
>Tarnsman's Projectile Hell
>
LEVEL PACKS:
>DBP 37
>Heartland
>Mutiny
>Sigil
>
>Micro Slaughter Community Project
GAMEPLAY MODS:
>Metadoom
>Treasure Tech
>Final Doomer
>
>
>
MULTIPLAYER MAPS:
>Aeon DM
>Neon DM
>Bourgeois Megawad
>
>
>
MULTIPLAYER GAMEPLAY:
>Quake Champions: Doom Edition
>Insanity Deathmatch
>Doomware
>
>
>
4CHAN:
>2048 Units of /vr/
>Combined Arms
>HFFM
>300 Minutes of /vr/
>Ad Mortem
>Combined Arms Gaiden? 100 Minutes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:24:58 2022 No.8521374 File: 515 KB, 505x604, meds takem.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8521336 >>8521323 Your ass kicking privileges are revoked.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:25:02 2022 No.8521375 >>8521372 Do a HL one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:25:55 2022 No.8521379 File: 172 KB, 300x100, Gordon Freeman enters hollywood holocaust.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8521375 No.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:26:32 2022 No.8521382
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>>8521372
Combined_Arms can stay, but Gaiden was more of a result of the Pizza Tower server's collaborative project. I had made Arti for Bring Your Own Class, flexed too hard and made it a standalone mod.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:26:42 2022 No.8521383 >>8521372 >no dakka

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:27:02 2022 No.8521384 >>8521379 Yes, i'm lazy.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:33:19 2022 No.8521395

>>8521382
Honestly, the 4chan section is giving me some serious trouble. Make more mods and less shitposts, guys! The multiplayer sections are too, but we'll talk about that later
>>8521384
Fair enough, I suppose. I wouldn't mind doing one myself but i'm not knowledgeable about Half-Life beyond a surface level understanding.
>>8521383
That's a good addition, I think Babel will also fit nicely.
Keep them coming, and if any graphic design autists can weigh in >>8517943 here for subtle details to improve on, please do. I want this to be the best it can possibly be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:34:12 2022 No.8521397 When is Duke Nukem 3D Reloaded coming out? I want a real remake not Serious Sam 3 shit.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:37:40 2022 No.8521406

>>8521395
>make more and less shitposts
It's pretty much all I do. Anon. Combined_Arms can stay seeing as it was intially conceptualized as me asking some boys "If you can replace a gun from Doom, what would you replace?"
Admittedly that premise has been replaced with the last big update, but Combined_Arms originated from /vr/.

Also I'm seconding Babel and DAKKA. Babel is arguably a /vr/ mod, DAKKA is a weird one. But I'd say put it in the gameplay mods section. High Noon Drifter and Project Booster were of /vr/ origin, Term's last two mods before he left.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:42:44 2022 No.8521415

>>8521372
Look, it might be distasteful, but it should include at least one of the Brutal branches. I suggest Project Brutality or BD Platinum.

Also Dakka

Psychic, imo, is a less refined version of what Guncaster does.

OMG should be replaced by HXRTC

Also add some of Impy's work like Strange Aeons

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:44:19 2022 No.8521421

>>8521406
See, part of the reason why this section is giving me so much trouble is because I'm not sure what authors would be okay with me putting their mods there. I don't know if Babel guy or anyone else wants his mod to be labeled as a "4chan mod" because some people don't like that reputation.
>Anon why do you even care it's not like anyone's gonna see this image anyway
Because i'm a turboautist.
>>make more and less shitposts
I meant this as a general statement by the way, you're the last person who needs this advice

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:45:11 2022 No.8521423

>>8521415
Project Brutality is horribly bloated. Brutal Doom used to be in the mod list a long time ago, if you're gonna list one, do BD Lite seeing as it's based off the earlier days of Brutal Doom when it's more streamlined.
Also Psychic is still better than Guncaster for the simple reason that it's not a complete easy and boring power fantasy.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:48:43 2022 No.8521427

>>8521423
I agree on the difficulty part of Guncaster/Psychic, but at least let them share a spot. Maybe give Guncaster a single-line mention like "you may also want to consider Guncaster, but if you do, ramp up the difficulty significantly or play a slaughter wad (or both) if you desire any real challenge." Consider the fact that some people may want exactly that type of power fantasy.

It's true PB is horrendously bloated, but it's got a certain feel that not many others mods have. Sometimes you want a horrendously overdone feast instead of a concise, tightly built meal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:50:19 2022 No.8521436 >>8521427 I think it boils down to: How many Anons here would actually recommend PB to others? I sure as hell wouldn't, obviously you would, but how many others here would?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:50:31 2022 No.8521437 >>8521423 I can see where anon's coming from, some of these mods are dated, particularly in the multiplayer section. I don't even know when the last time I saw an Internal Conflict server was. That's why I asked about things being removed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:54:14 2022 No.8521447 >>8521437 >>8521436 Alright, here's just all gameplay mods I like that I don't see in the current one: Dakka, Hellrider, Lt. Typhon, Acceleroid, Lithium, Trailblazer, Hexarcana, Corruption Cards

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:56:33 2022 No.8521454 >>8521447 >corruption cards Fuck. That one should be added in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:56:49 2022 No.8521457 >>8521372 Oblige is neat but Obsidian is neater and being actively developed, the generated levels are crazy detailed. Obsidian being the fork of Obaddon after the main dev moved to other projects

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 01:57:12 2022 No.8521458 Any Doom remakes with the caliber of Black Mesa?

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 02:02:38 2022 No.8521470
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>>8521457
Good to know, I'll have that section replaced. While i'm at it, here's a proposal for adding extra source port info and Freedoom info to the infographic. Does this feel extraneous at all, or should I keep it in? I might be able to add an "optional reading" tag to it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 02:07:03 2022 No.8521480 >>8521470 Unity chads we won. >Doom Classic Complete I remember when it was on the PSN store.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 02:14:15 2022 No.8521494 >>8521480 Yes anon, you have won. I'm trying to dance on the fine line of being thoroughly informative and absolute clusterfuck of information, so everyone's a winner.

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Anonymous Sat Jan 15 02:34:57 2022 No.8521538

>>8521372
For the megawads, I think that 1994TU and Jenesis needs to go, with Eviternity and Doom Zero being the most notable out of your list, so I think you can't go wrong with that.
As for the level packs, idk, most of the present list is some random old crap, and you can throw into the thrash most of it, except UAC Ultra, Pirate Doom and Suspended in Dusk. To your list, I can add Lost Civilization, Avactor, and Preacher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 02:39:24 2022 No.8521545 >>8521372 >no project babel under 4chan's own Literally the only place it's ever been posted is here, and maybe two other chans. Half of the mods in that section are on the Zdoom forums.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 02:45:36 2022 No.8521561

>>8521545
>>no project babel under 4chan's own
I just want the author's explicit permission, anon. A direct "Yeah, you can put it here" from him. Yes, it's true that it is primarily posted here, but I'm a giga-autist when it comes to things like permission and credit, and a faggot bleeding heart at that.

In other news, I asked a friend to give me an autistic in-depth analysis of everything wrong with the infographic so far. He started 33 minutes flat prior to writing this post and he's still going. Expect some major polish next progress report.
>>8521538
Thanks anon, I do agree with removal of some wads in the level packs section, some newer WADs just shine brighter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:12:53 2022 No.8521597 File: 15 KB, 179x141, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just noticed this little guy. What's his story? Anyway, NEW THREAD >>8521594 >>8521594 >>8521594

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:15:58 2022 No.8521601 >>8519908 >And yes it was made with vertical aiming and jumping in mind. Mate Hexen doesn't have mouselook, did you even play the fucking game?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:30:08 2022 No.8521619 >>8521601 He never said anything about a mouse, Hexen had and was designed around keyboard look.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:32:48 2022 No.8521627 >>8521619 No one on planet earth is using keyboard look in combat. That shit is unplayable. Saying Hexen was made with vertical aiming in mind is just straight up greasy used car salesman tier lying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:35:00 2022 No.8521632 >>8521372 >Any suggestions for additions? REKKR.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:35:06 2022 No.8521634

>>8521627
The mage is relatively slow and therefore has a harder time getting the silver key out of the cave with the crushers in the Winnowing Hall, but you can look up and shoot the bell to open the exit, skipping the key entirely, this is clearly intentional.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:37:15 2022 No.8521637

>>8521397
>When is Duke Nukem 3D Reloaded coming out?
When Gearbox decides to fund it, so never. 3DR did had (and maybe still has) the licence to pursue it, but Randy didn't to give any money to fund development while they can't simply afford working on it for free.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:39:08 2022 No.8521638

>>8521634
Thats clearly not what he's trying to lie about when he says it has vertical aiming in mind, seeing as he's replying to a complaint about how doom and its clones don't have proper mouse look. The game absolutely plays exactly the same as Doom when in combat, and the guy either never played Hexen or is just lying.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:44:24 2022 No.8521652

>>8521638
I genuinely missed the post he was responding to talking about mouselook. Either way, you can play Hexen on DOS with mouselook as of 2015 without even running a sourceport.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/85064-mouselookfreelook-for-vanilla-heretic-hexen-and-strife/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 03:53:20 2022 No.8521669 >>8521652 Thats why you always read the entire comment chain before replying, or at least a few posts up to get some context. Also modding was already mentioned in the same post with the complaint about doom clones and mouselook

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 04:00:33 2022 No.8521675

>>8521669
I don't consider companion programs to really be "modding" since you aren't actually modifying anything about the game's content or executable. I could give or take mouselook personally, but I wouldn't consider running DOS Doom with novert to be modding, either.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 04:08:14 2022 No.8521686

>>8521675
Well technical definitions aside, certainly it wasn't meant to be played like that and by "mouselook" its also going to mean playing without autoaim so its a true fps experience unlike what Hexen/Doom/etc was really designed as. Not to mention how poorly they actually preform played like a true fps anyways, hell even modern games build on old engines struggle with proper mouse aiming like Ion Fury - sometimes you can't even hit targets properly at certain angles.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 04:16:20 2022 No.8521693

>>8521686
The only thing I can really think of for Heretic/Hexen/Strife "performing poorly" as a "true fps" is the collision size of some projectiles to avoid some doom engine collision jank, but that's easily adapted to. I can't speak for Ion Fury, as I haven't finished it, but I do recall similar issues to what you described with Blood.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 04:25:55 2022 No.8521710

>>8521693
I don't really feel like arguing about 2.5d games, since their fans tend to be so delusional. All I'll say is that the doom games and the engines aren't ever going to function properly for actual fps mouse aiming, even the build engine which is more advanced than doom's is still janked as hell and back even on modern releases. I think if you forced people to play 2.5 games in multiplayer, the nostalgia protection would wash away very quickly. Not saying the games are bad, but obviously FPS was changed forever by Quake/Goldeneye (for the better). Anyways I'm off now, going to sleep. Feel free to disagree, most people who still play 2.5d games do.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 04:36:30 2022 No.8521724

>>8521710
>I think if you forced people to play 2.5 games in multiplayer, the nostalgia protection would wash away very quickly.
I semi-regularly deathmatch in vanilla doom, and it's still plenty fun. I've also topscored in several FNF matches with mouselook turned off against players who surely had it on. I don't know why you were stirring up an argument in a dead thread, let alone a thread predominantly about the 2.5d first person shooters you don't seem to care for much.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 04:41:24 2022 No.8521731

>>8521724
If I was stirring up an argument I would be willing to argue about the topic, I wouldn't be doing it in a thread that isn't about to die, and I wouldn't be about to go to sleep right now. Like I said I don't think the games are bad, they just don't function well as a true fps experience. 2.5d games are remembered for the map design, the maze like qualities they possessed, not for the high quality shooting. I also highly doubt you take your multiplayer matches seriously, because there is a reason Doom MP died the second Quake came into existence. Anyways, I really am going to sleep now.

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 05:03:00 2022 No.8521760

>>8521731
>2.5d games are remembered for the map design, the maze like qualities they possessed, not for the high quality shooting.
I'm sure that's why Doom's weapons (The SSG and BFG9k specifically) still make it on to "Best FPS weapons" lists.
>I also highly doubt you take your multiplayer matches seriously
I think that much was obvious when I admitted to handicapping myself for kicks. They're games with no stakes. It's just for fun, of course I don't take them seriously.
>there is a reason Doom MP died the second Quake came into existence.
Is that why there's still an official Doom Deathmatch event as recently as 2020's Quakecon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ42MeReckw
>Anyways, I really am going to sleep now.
I probably should too, especially with my eyes glazing over "true fps" and my struggle to avoid arguing THAT particular bit of semantics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 07:11:23 2022 No.8521953 >>8520154 I can't imagine being dissatisfied with a completely accurate term ASSFAGGOTS (Aeon of Strife Styled Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides).

Anonymous Sat Jan 15 08:31:33 2022 No.8522064

>>8521372
Hellcore, Impossible New Reality and Beyond Reality are not deemed that good nowadays, so I'm not sure should they be recommended. I'm suggesting Avactor, Preacher, Dimension Of The Boomed for replacement.

Also Sunlust should definitely be on megawads. It's one of most influential megawads of last decade (along with Valiant, AA and Eviternity).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 11:11:41 2022 No.8522360 >>8521470 delta touch in the "more sourceports" section could be good,for a cheap way to get into DOOM without a gaming system.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 11:12:29 2022 No.8522363 >>8521372 Valiant and Going Down belong in the list of WADs worth playing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 12:30:14 2022 No.8522543 >>8520279 Retarded Youtube take.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 12:46:38 2022 No.8522594 >>8519632 Same.

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