/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8509306]

> the game cuts off final levels on easy
> you can only beat the full game on the hardest setting
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!! WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST FUCKING SAY IT?

[Anonymous No.8509307]

>>8509306
I just found the ultimate transgressor of this bullshit. Mickey Mouse Castle of Illusions on the easiest setting is THREE LEVELS LONG. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT? Why not just let me play through the game till the end on the difficulty that I WANT?

[Anonymous No.8509313]

>>8509306
Golden axe does this and so does the punisher. Lmao genesis punisher you cant even beat on normal

[Anonymous No.8509370]

>>8509313
Yup and you can only beat Golden Axe on the toppest of difficulties. Makes no fucking sense.

I hope Mickey is not hiding any levels behind difficult.

[Anonymous No.8509496]

Unironically get gud.
The design mindset was that coming out of arcades where you were forced to play at a cretin level if you wanted to continue. Everyone who played had to reach said plateau, but thats also part of the reward in that everyone may get there in different ways but you're all have a shared expereance. Its not the case if one person plays on "easy" and "beats' the game, its not comparable to the experience of someone who played on the normal/hard difficulty.
With many older games, you need to treat "easy" as more of a "practice" mode then anything.

[Anonymous No.8509517]

>>8509370
You can beat goldenaxe on normal. I dont think it has to be on hard.

[Anonymous No.8509532]

>>8509306
Lots of retro games literally tell you at the end "Now try hard difficulty". That wasn't a fucking suggestion.

[Anonymous No.8509536]

TMNT4 did this also, but they also encouraged you to use harder difficulties as they also gave you more lives and continues. I legitimately think the game is harder on 'normal' than 'very hard' as a result.

[Anonymous No.8509539]

>>8509306
>I want to challenge the last boss
>I also don't want to be challenged
in any way whatsoever

[Anonymous No.8509542]

>>8509517
No it has to be top setting.

[Anonymous No.8509549]

git gud casul scrub

[Anonymous No.8509551]

>>8509306
>WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST FUCKING SAY IT?

Why didn't you choose to not being a pussy with Easy difficulty to begin with.

Easy mode = practice, it's even called that in some games. No real deal, just a sample of the full game.

[Anonymous No.8509553]

>>8509539
This. Playing on anything lower than hard or at least "above normal" difficulties is basically admitting not only defeat, but how pathetic you are.
Git gud or don't play, faggot

[Anonymous No.8509590]

those settings are based for filtering casuals

[Anonymous No.8509608]

>>8509306
Why do you play games on easy?

[Anonymous No.8509619]

>>8509306
Shouldn't you be glad it's over so you can mark it off your backlog?

[Anonymous No.8509626]

I only play on hard but paying for a game only to be denied half the game just because you want to play on easy must've made a lot of kids sad. Shit design.

[Anonymous No.8509641]

>>8509626
As a kid I never knew anyone who played games on easy.
Setting anything to easy is what you did when you passed the controller to a really little kid brother or a parent who didn't play games.

[Anonymous No.8509771]

>>8509307
I remember that as a kid, was my first experience with a game cutting off stuff for easier difficulties. They call it "practice" difficulty though, so it kinda makes sense.

[Anonymous No.8509792]

>>8509306
Do you know that back then, people used cheats if they couldn't beat the games, and felt no remorse?

[Anonymous No.8509873]

You don't play on anything lower than normal, but congrats, you beat the game on easy.

[Anonymous No.8509886]

>You access more of the game playing on hard or higher
>You have to beat the game on normal to access hard mode

[Anonymous No.8509905]

>you have to play the game on normal to unlock hard

[Anonymous No.8509926]

>>8509905
Love Ninja Gaiden, but this shit is really annoying. I could understand locking Master Ninja behind a playthrough, but not Hard.

[Anonymous No.8509940]

>>8509886
>>8509905
>>8509926
It's only excusable for well designed smart slashers like Ninja Gaiden or DMC (I think you can include GoW as well) where battles are so fun it's totally cool to replay them - especially since on different difficulties you get different enemy packs and your character preserves all the upgrades and weapons.

But for regular games - nah, fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.8509950]

>>8509306
>final boss actually tells you you're not worth his time if you're playing on easier settings
It felt oddly motivating.

[Anonymous No.8509962]

>>8509306
Stop playing on easy, baby

[Anonymous No.8509972]

>>8509886
Okay THIS sucks ass, but is more common in more recent games

[Anonymous No.8509987]

>>8509972
It sucks when the game isn't properly designed around it. Hard Mode in DMC changes enemy placement such as putting Shadows, Fetishes, and Death Scissors in more places and making them more aggressive, but in Borderlands 2 it just makes enemies have more HP which spirals into insanity due to the exponential scaling.

Blasphemous did it best, its NG+ is balanced around being maxed out from normal mode, and you get to choose one of three gimmicks to mix things up such as replacing the life bar with individual life orbs, as well as adding new content.

[Anonymous No.8510010]

>>8509496
Steep difficulty curve is better. Just make shit harder till you get to a filter point for an individual. Difficulty settings are dumb.

[Anonymous No.8510024]

>>8509553
Il play on hardest settings, but fuck limited continues, il use level select codes with no remorse. Once ive beaten something, im not wasting my time doing it again, i rather work on what im stuck at.

[Anonymous No.8510041]

Every game that does this, whether or not someone is interested in playing on an easier or harder difficulty, should let you know if you will be missing out on content by playing on an easier difficulty. If I'm playing the game, I want to play all of it.

[Anonymous No.8510082]

>>8509306
>he doesn't start every game on the hardest mode possible
kwab

>>8509886
>you pay for DLC with your own effort
>instead of daddys credit card
Oh the humanity!

[Anonymous No.8510190]

>>8510041
Easy mode is never gonna give you all of it anyway. At the very least on most games you're gonna be missing certain enemy types on certain areas, certain areas are gonna be way more empty, bosses won't use all attacks and so on. So even if you could play all stages you would be missing out on content.

[Anonymous No.8510204]

>>8510190
You're talking basically about slashers. OP is talking about platformers. With platformers it's literally about health and damage, that's it.

[Anonymous No.8510226]

>>8509307
I believe both the Master System and MegaDrive versions do this.
Try the MegaDrive version on Hard though, and be prepared for some ultimate BS.

[Anonymous No.8510276]

This is the only game off hand I can think of where it happened to me, and of course it's some fucked up Konami game that's easy for adults but impossible for kids

[Anonymous No.8510281]

>>8509553
The issue with "hard mode" is that there's no standard for it. Sometimes Hard just means slightly more challenging than normal, while other times it means "don't even fucking attempt it unless you've mastered the game on normal and just want a bullshit challenge".

[Anonymous No.8510291]

>>8509987
to be fair, the borderlands series always embraced being hopelessly broken.

[Anonymous No.8510518]

>>8510276
that train level was fuckin hard back in the day

[Anonymous No.8510534]

>>8509553
If devs actually intended me to play on hard they wouldn't set a difficult mode to begin with. Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.8510563]

>>8509553
word, son

[Anonymous No.8510616]

>>8510082
>the game has no battery save so you have to play the game twice in a row

[Anonymous No.8510752]

>>8509987
Pissing off a headless God-liath raging infinitely in multiplayer is always fun though.

[Anonymous No.8510818]

>>8509886
>you have to beat five different difficulty modes to unlock all costumes for the protagonist
>do it because she's cute

[Anonymous No.8510857]

I play many games on easy; some of them let you enjoy the entire experience regardless. Others just cut the ending, but the game per se is intact. Then, there's a few that just say "lol fuck you" and you do have to get better, if you can and want it.

[Anonymous No.8510939]

>>8509987
No it always sucks when hard more is an unlockable. I shouldn't have had to play shit like BotW on normal, I've been playing Zelda games for thirty years

[Anonymous No.8510956]

I feel like a lot of early Sega Genesis titles did this, usually having the easiest mode be called "Practice" with less levels, the best examples I can think of from the top of my head are Castle of Illusion and Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin, though I'm sure there are plenty more that I just haven't gotten to yet, which reminds me that I need to get through my backlog more instead of just replaying what I already like, either way there are other examples outside SEGA.

I didn't have too much of a problem beating both of them on "Normal", and eventually I even did it on "Hard/Nightmare" even, but I do dislike this system because some people prefer to play on easier settings and I think cutting the run off early because of that is a shame, though I still think it isn't too bad because usually the default medium difficulty settings are manageable with enough practice, which is kind of the point of retro video games anyways.

What I really dislike is when the later levels and/or ending are locked behind the hardest difficulty setting, because then you're essentially asking the player to have absolutely mastered every level just for a chance to see the ending, which again I don't have that much of a problem doing because I try beating everything I play on the hardest setting eventually anyway, but I know not everyone can do that, for a variety of reasons, so it doesn't feel right to me.

[Anonymous No.8510961]

>>8510939
>playing Zelda for 30 thirty years
>still isn't used to being treated like a babby

[Anonymous No.8511470]

>>8510616
>he can't sit in one place for 30 minutes

[Anonymous No.8511591]

>each mode locks out different levels so you have to play all difficulty settings to see the whole game

fucking Painkiller

[Anonymous No.8511593]

If you're a shitter playing on easy, you don't deserve the full game.

[Anonymous No.8511618]

>game changes difficulty as you play depending if you're playing good or bad

[Anonymous No.8511634]

>>8509306
fucking Konami be like

[Anonymous No.8512446]

>>8509306
Glad Ive never experienced this bullshit. What notable games did that?

[Anonymous No.8512478]

>>8511618
Literally every STG ever

[Anonymous No.8512703]

>>8512446
Many did. For starters, if you pick any random game from Konami during the 4th-gen, there's a very high probability the game cut content on easy (and, sometimes, even normal) mode. Granted, the original japanese releases of those games tend to not do that.

[Anonymous No.8512724]

Smash TV did this.

[Anonymous No.8513932]

>>8511618
rubber band difficulty makes sense only in certain contexts, like racing or sports games.

>>8511593
this

>>8510939
also this. hard mode should be available from the beginning. maybe ultimate/meme difficulty can be an unlockable.

[Anonymous No.8514896]

You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.

[Anonymous No.8515279]

>>8511470
anon the last thing i want to do after beating a game is to beat it again only it's slightly harder. I'd rather just skip the bullshit and get to play on the harder difficulty when i turn on the game

[Anonymous No.8515605]

>>8509496
Unironically design a better fucking game.

[Anonymous No.8516092]

>>8509496
yeah this:>>8515605
Even then the problem is misleading the player. Just say up-front what the consequences are to choosing a particular difficulty setting so the player can choose the right one the first time, instead of SURPRISE! Game over!
>>8511593
If those are the conditions, just say so at the start. Easy/normal/hard don't have any concrete definitions there's no way of knowing ahead of time, for most games, what the differences are.

[Anonymous No.8516184]

>>8515605
>>8516092
I like how the shit players shift the blame onto someone else
>NO ITS A BAD GAME IM NOT A BAD PLAYER!!!!
LMFAO you're so shit

[Anonymous No.8516997]

>>8515279
Then don't play games with unlockables, loops, multiple endings, etc. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.8517094]

>>8509926
Sigma lets you unlock higher difficulties if you win an optional boss fight. It makes a certain amount of sense to make beginners start at the beginning by the 8th release they ought to know some of us have played the game before.

[Anonymous No.8517178]

I don't have a problem with the game doing this, just tell me beforehand "you can't beat the full game if you play on an easier setting"

[Anonymous No.8517227]

lol git gud anon

[Anonymous No.8517291]

>>8510041
or you can just replay the fucking game and git gud

[Anonymous No.8517308]

>>8509306
Phelios does this but it does warn you.
I don't think there's even a difference in the genesis version, iirc the difficulty is the same.

[Anonymous No.8517919]

>>8515605
just watch a playthrough on youtube

[Anonymous No.8517947]

>>8509306
Castlevania 64 does this. About halfway through the game you finish a stage then a message comes up telling you to restart on normal to finish the game.

[Anonymous No.8518602]

>>8517947
As if anybody needed extra reasons not to play this POS

[Anonymous No.8518663]

>>8518602
Filtered hard.