/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8500338]

If Kiddy was replaced with DK, this would've been hailed as the best DKC game. You know its true.

[Anonymous No.8500375]

I think I get why people don't like DKC3. The first stage sets a big precedent for what the game is going to be like.
>DKC first level is a jungle at sunrise with great atmospheric music
>DKC2 first level is a pirate ship at sea with great ambiance and slow building atmospheric music
>DKC3 first level takes a minute to get to because you have to swim and talk to people and for it, the level and music are bland
DKC3 has better stages more into the game

[Anonymous No.8500598]

max fax

[Anonymous No.8500707]

I think if it hadn't been a boring rehash of concepts that were better fleshed out in the previous two games, it would have been a better game easily the worst of the three

[Anonymous No.8501935]

>>8500338
DKC1
>worlds are coherent, jungle, cliff/mine, toxic factory, ice, etc
DKC2
>world's are coherent, shipwreck, volcano, carnival, etc
DKC3
>world's are completely incoherent, water level, ice level, mine level, cliff level all in the same world
This is the only dkc game I 103%ed, but I still just don't get why they didn't clump the ice levels together and clump the cliff levels together like a normal fucking game. I do like the idea of overworld exploration, though it's kinda half-assed here. It's a great game, but I still think 2>1>3

[Anonymous No.8502432]

>>8500338
I was glad the heavy/nimble character dynamic made a comeback since that was my only gripe with DKC2, but otherwise the game is still cluttered with pointless "map" gameplay for some reason and the level concepts/gimmicks are generally less interesting and engaging than in 2 or even 1.

[Anonymous No.8502441]

>>8500338
Had this same thought. As a casual dkc fan, I hate kiddie and he turns me off and I wonder why they only used dk for one game

[Anonymous No.8502470]

>>8500338
I didn't buy DKC2 or 3 for precisely this reason. Who makes a Donkey Kong game without FUCKING DONKEY KONG

[Anonymous No.8502496]

>>8501935

They pushed the SNES too far with 3. The amount of colors and small scale details was more than a system running at 256x224 with a limited pallette could handle. DKC1 looks much cleaner in comparison.

[Anonymous No.8502696]

>>8502470
The games are not about Donkey Kong, they are about his country.

[Anonymous No.8502708]

>>8502470
The real Donkey Kong is the friends we make along the way anon

[Anonymous No.8502818]

>>8500338
I'm suprised no one's thrown together a ROMhack that does just that yet. I'd do it myself if I wasn't retarded.

Anyway it already is the best DKC game. Kiddy is okay.

[Anonymous No.8502828]

>>8502470
you're missing out on one of the very best platformers ever made

Donkey Kong Country 2 is truly perfect. If you do not get this amazing new generation of Donkey Kong Country 2 madness, you are stupid. Yes I know that's insulting, but it's also the truth.If you're a true video game fan, you will not hesitate in the slightest bit to buy this piece of gaming history.

[Anonymous No.8502845]

NOBODY complained about the absence of Donkey Kong back in the day. This is a retarded retroactive complaint designed to undermine the superior third game that is immensely more fun than the DKC where you control DK (including the overrated and bad Returns games).

[Anonymous No.8502849]

>>8502845
Returns is bad but Tropical Freeze is a masterpiece come on

[Anonymous No.8502851]

>>8502470

It's not a Donkey Kong game. It's a Donkey Kong COUNTRY game. The series is about the wider world of the Donkey Kong universe.

[Anonymous No.8502892]

It's just the music. People may complain about other things, but the reality is that music is a bigger part of your enjoyment of a game than anyone realizes or wants to admit.

[Anonymous No.8502895]

>>8502828
This, unironically agree wholeheartedly.

[Anonymous No.8503151]

>>8502845
>NOBODY complained about the absence of Donkey Kong back in the day
t. zoomer who wasn't alive back in the day

[Anonymous No.8503159]

>>8502828
>buy
otherwise you're correct

[Anonymous No.8503329]

>>8503151
I was alive back in the day and only little kids bitched about kiddy, these same kids grew up today as college dropout basedjaks saying how DKC2 is some "masterpiece" just because you play as Diddy

[Anonymous No.8503426]

>>8500338
It's this song lmao you just hear this and people went back to DKC2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SCMgBkHb_8

Then the game ends with that rocket level so it just kind of opens and ends bad, even though there's a lot of fun stuff in-between.

I like this game a lot though, all three are some of the best ever.

[Anonymous No.8503465]

>>8502696
For my country. Donkey Kong country

[Anonymous No.8503564]

>>8503329
Ok larper

[Anonymous No.8503795]

>>8502892
Then that’s why it’s my favorite: it’s dark ambient mixed with happy happy joy joy songs. What I dislike about DKC3 is the color palette on some of the stages, such as the brown cliffs, grey cliffs, and brown caves. DKC2 has more variety in that sense: Brown ship and blue skies, rain, hot red lava, dark green swamps, yellow honey, colorful amusement park, green blue vines, grayish haunted areas, light blue ice. DKC1 also has the same issue as DKC3 in that regard: Not much variety. Just greens and browns with an occasional ice level.

[Anonymous No.8503814]

>>8503795
You have pretty unique taste in music then.

[Anonymous No.8503830]

>>8500338
I don't know that's true because I only played the first Donkey Kong Country (SNES). Great game.

[Anonymous No.8503838]

>>8503814
I couldn’t hum any of the songs from DKC3, but the tracks really set the atmosphere. The underwater level and the treetop ones being my favorite. I think the GBA remake completely ruins the soundtrack because it makes the game feel like a children’s cartoon. The boosted and brightened GBA colors do not help.

[Anonymous No.8503881]

>>8500338
Nah. It's great but still worse than the other two.

[Anonymous No.8504094]

The music is a huge step back, so is the art assets and even the colors used. The level design is a huge step back as well. I recently played all 3 SNES titles back to back and 3 is not only the worse of the trilogy, it's just a bad game overall.

[Anonymous No.8504106]

>>8504094
Not to mention the sound effects are fucked up in 3, like if 3 or more sounds try to play at once it just doesn't play

[Anonymous No.8504108]

>>8500338
coulda woulda shoulda

[Anonymous No.8504117]

>>8502845
>NOBODY complained about the absence of Donkey Kong back in the day.
Yes they did.
I did.

[Anonymous No.8504131]

>>8504094
>>8503426
>>8502892
play the gba version, it has a much better soundtrack made by the guy who made the ost for the first two games, David Wise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1-Wln_AnpA
This song is so good, forgive the shitty gba/youtube quality, listen to at least the first 2 minutes

[Anonymous No.8504139]

>>8504131
Anyone port the GBA music to the SNES version?

[Anonymous No.8504146]

>>8504139
idk, the gba version doesnt look as bad as my shitty screenshot though
just make sure to play it at native res (if you dont have a 240p screen use a crt shader) and with the colour correction applied

[Anonymous No.8504150]

>>8504131
"better" is subjective

Wise gets a little too much credit for the DKC soundtracks. Eveline did amazing work on the first game on several tracks, Funky's Fugue was Robin Beanlund, etc.

Her work on DKC3 is more evocative of the tone of the game. It's not as catchy or melodic as Wise's work, but I don't think the GBA game's is a straight improvement, I think it's a step sideways. It's not Wise's best work and it seems at odds with the game it's being composed for.

>>8504139
if you're interested, just play the GBA version. It's got a whole extra world and boss too. I think out of the GBA ports, it's the one that justifies its existence the most

[Anonymous No.8504156]

>>8504146
>>8504150
I'll boot it up on my GBA player with my ever drive but I hope you ant tricking me to play a shit game

[Anonymous No.8504164]

>>8504156
>>8504131
here's what it looks like emulated properly
it's donkey kong country so if you like dkc you know what to expect really, the snes version had a shitty soundtrack but this doesn't
you still might not like it for other reasons but I like it just as much as the other 2

[Anonymous No.8504170]

>>8504156
>I hope you ant tricking me to play a shit game

I like it better than DKC2 desu.

It's got a few gimmicky levels but I like that they're playing with the formula in it.

I think all three of them are generally around the same point of quality, with 1 excelling in tone and atmosphere, 2 excelling in pure platforming and music, and 3 excelling in gimmicks and exploration

[Anonymous No.8504175]

>>8502828
Based take. DKC 2 is my favourite game of all time.

[Anonymous No.8504198]

>>8504139
https://www.zeldix.net/t1598-donkey-kong-country-3

[Anonymous No.8504643]

>>8504156
DKC 3 is my favorite of the trilogy, and I grew up with DKC1 and 2 and played both religiously. I never played DKC3 until like a year ago.

[Anonymous No.8504675]

>dkc2 doesn't have donkey kong
>best game ever amirite
>dkc3 doesn't have donkey kong
>omg what were they thinking

[Anonymous No.8504703]

I liked DKC3 at the time but a lot of gimmick levels annoyed me (elephant race, rocket, reverse controls, etc). In retrospect, it was the beginning of Rare becoming shit.

[Anonymous No.8504716]

>>8504164
>scanlines
>on a GameBoy Advance game
stop

[Anonymous No.8504916]

>>8502470
Will someone put this retard out of its misery?

[Anonymous No.8505004]

>>8502470
>Who makes a Donkey Kong game without FUCKING DONKEY KONG
What do you mean? He's always there.

[Anonymous No.8505036]

>>8502845
To be fair he is in the game at the end.
It's like a successful Knuckles Chaotix

[Anonymous No.8505361]

>>8504675
People don't mind not playing as DK, they just dont wanna play as some stupid dumb baby

[Anonymous No.8505712]

>>8504716
if you want to play it on a screen that isn't 240p that's the best way to make the resolution look native
using a crt shader
otherwise it looks like a blur of giant pixels

[Anonymous No.8505717]

>>8505361
The ones who outright refuse to play it at all are the stupid dumb babies though.

[Anonymous No.8505932]

>>8505717
Fair enough

[Anonymous No.8506605]

>>8503465
kek

[Anonymous No.8506776]

>>8502845
Everyone bitched about no playable DK in DKC2 as well zoomer retard

[Anonymous No.8507057]

>>8506776
You must have hung out exclusively with people as whiny as you I guess.

[Anonymous No.8507205]

>>8502845
>>8504117
Everyone I knew hated the giant baby.

[Anonymous No.8507509]

>>8504131
the gba soundtrack is interesting, but not nearly as good as the snes version

[Anonymous No.8507536]

I'm sorry OP but I understood more isn't always better when I was 5.

[Anonymous No.8507831]

> if you remove the parts of a game that are bad the game is good
wow OP, what a revelation. You should go into game design

[Anonymous No.8508847]

DKC3 was the first one I played, and the sense of world and exploration was so well executed that 1 and 2's maps felt so primitive in comparison.
>>8504131
Hey this is pretty good! I never knew the GBA port had a different soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.8509486]

>>8500338
>worst soundtrack in the trilogy
>highest number of crappy levels in the trilogy
>boring bosses, a big step back from DKC2
>ugliest visuals in the trilogy
I like DKC3, really. It's good. Great even. There are some really good levels in there. While I disagree, I could even see an argument being made to say that it's better than 1, but you're kidding yourself if you think it's better than 2.

[Anonymous No.8509515]

Shame we never got DKC4: Kiddy's Day Out

[Anonymous No.8509838]

>>8504131
>play the gba version, it has a much better soundtrack
vehemently disagree with this. I think the Wise tracks are better to listen to alone, but Eveline's while underwhelming absolutely fit the tone of the game far better.

[Anonymous No.8511238]

>>8509838
based anon having the correct opinion about music actually being made to suit the game

[Anonymous No.8511246]

>>8509838
David Wise said in an interview that the gba soundtrack was something thrown together quickly because the gba sound chip couldn't do the snes dkc3 soundtrack properly

[Anonymous No.8511248]

>>8509486
I agree with everything but the bosses. KAOS and the Snowman (inb4 gimmicky) are fucking great.

[Anonymous No.8511380]

>>8511248
KAOS was definitely the best one in 3, I'll admit that was a good boss. Snowman was one of the better ones too but I don't think he compares to the better bosses in 2. And then you have the waterfall face guy, the spider, the urchin and they were pretty shit. Baron was pretty slow and underwhelming too. Meanwhile 2 had Kreepy Krow, King Zing and Kaptain. Even the weaker boss fights were at least fast paced enough to not be a bore.

[Anonymous No.8511565]

>>8502441

They were British, so they couldn't understand what fully healthy humans would find appealing in a character. They were actually turned off by that which you rightly perceive as being pleasant. It's just something sick in their culture that makes them that way.

[Anonymous No.8511570]

>>8502828

Hell yes George tell it like it is. DKC 2 has stupid and ugly main characters, so I guess I don't quite agree with the part about it being perfect, BUT it is also awesome, and it is superior to the first game.

[Anonymous No.8512712]

>>8509486
>boring bosses
The balls on this motherfucker. DKC1 has some of the lamest, laziest, most boring bosses in video games, period. The absolute state. Enlarged enemy sprites and a fucking prop that spawns the mooks. The final boss was the only good one.

[Anonymous No.8512752]

>>8512712
that's why I said it was a step down from DKC2, not DKC1

[Anonymous No.8512793]

DKC3 has creepy as shit bosses. Like what the hell is this insanity?

[Anonymous No.8512847]

>>8500338
DKC 1 is better than DKC 2 and I'm tired of pretending it's not. 1 flows so much smoother, has so much less terrible gimmick levels, just pure platforming all the way through

[Anonymous No.8512936]

>>8511248
the spider and the barrel are fun too

[Anonymous No.8513472]

>>8511246
yeah I watched it, was pretty fascinating.

[Anonymous No.8513504]

Nah I appreciate they variety but the levels can't hold a candle to 2 overall. And the aesthetic is fuckin trash, I hate it. At least replacing the baby would be a slight improvement there.

[Anonymous No.8513547]

>>8505712
>it looks like a blur of giant pixels
Sit farther away from the screen

[Anonymous No.8513731]

>>8512793
The bosses are why I prefer DKC3 out of the OG trilogy.

[Anonymous No.8514260]

>>8512847
DKC1 is hands down the most zen game I've ever played. It's like meditation. DKC2 is often tense as hell. Its a very different experience.

[Anonymous No.8514271]

>shit controls and gameplay
>good
All DKC games are style over substance garbage for nugamers Nintendo commissioned to go up against Sega who was still kicking their fucking ass with their marketing except the games behind their marketing were -- imagine this -- actually good.
You fell for Nintendo's bullshit and later Sony's bullshit and sunk a company that was just making good GAMES. Fuck every single one of you for ruining gaming.

[Anonymous No.8514320]

>>8514271
That's why Sega still has consoles and Nintendo and Sony only develop software.

[Anonymous No.8514331]

>>8500338
You might be right. While the game is worse than 2 and much worse than 1 it could have been saved by the man himself DK.

[Anonymous No.8514343]

>>8503465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgVDOsNWiAU

[Anonymous No.8514535]

>>8514271
peepeepoopoo

[Anonymous No.8514601]

>DKC1 invaders have a vaguely military theme
>DKC2 invaders are all themed as pirates
>DKC3 has no theme and the normal Kremlings (along with other enemies) look bloated and too cartoony now
That said the OST, while not as strong as DKC2 does have a lot of high points that tend to get overlooked. A custom OST made with currated tracks from DKC3 SNES and GBA I think would be the pinacle one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJQkGob3OYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP8Gs5hWpuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHBBUX6HMFk

[Anonymous No.8514895]

>>8514601
It's too bad because I think they were trying to go for a nice zen cabin theme or a nature vs. machines theme, but both are absolutely lost due to the art direction.

[Anonymous No.8514920]

>>8512847
>1 flows so much smoother,
If you're good then you're actively punished by having to do those animal bonus levels all the fucking time. Those really mess with the experience.

[Anonymous No.8515032]

On a side note, since so few if any games got the DKC style platforming correct. That game kaze and the wild masks has the gameplay down. Music and art design is not as good as DKC1&2 but it's not fair to compare it to the greatest 2 games ever made

[Anonymous No.8516610]

>>8514601
DKC1 and DKC2 invaders did have a mismatch of themes. Kremlings were militaristic yet K. Rool had olde crown/armor/cape and the final level is a pirate ship. DKC2 kremlings were pirates yet you confronted K. Rool in a gothic castle that had a flying futuristis warship above.

DKC3 themes I think are actually pretty consisent, you are traveling in a mostly natural environment but enemies like Buzz were robots and at the end you fought a mad scientist, but for some reason the Kremlings themselves felt distant to all the themes in the game.

[Anonymous No.8516632]

>>8516610
>but for some reason the Kremlings themselves felt distant to all the themes in the game.
That's the point you sperg, they're invaders.

[Anonymous No.8516691]

>>8516632
I'm saying that I don't think the Kremlings fit anywhere at all in DKC3, unlike in DKC1 & DKC2. Could just be artstyle but they are unmemorable compared to some other enemy types and K. Rool himself.

[Anonymous No.8518246]

The GBA soundtrack completely misses the mark in most cases. The map and forest themes are abysmal downgrades that completely miss the atmosphere.. The much improved Stilt Village is the only straight improvement. The rest of the good tracks are a sidegrade at best.

[Anonymous No.8519797]

>>8518246
Rockface Rumble GBA is great to listen to on it's own but completely misses the mark in atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.8520069]

>>8500338
So do it, the tiles and palettes of each are known data by now.

[Anonymous No.8520082]

>>8514271
Sega never stopped making games, so what exactly is the problem? Play your new Sega games anon.

[Anonymous No.8520335]

>>8500338
No!
That would've been a good first step but there are many more things that need fixing before it can be considered equal or better to the others in the trilogy.

[Anonymous No.8520353]

>>8514920
Weak bait and shitty strawman argument. IF you're good, you don't have to collect the statues that get you warped into those levels because all they give you is extra balloons. BUT in DKC2 and 3 you need the coins from the "bonus" stages to progress which now makes them effectively mandatory unlike the first game were they are absolutely optional. So you have no reason to complain and the opposite of your statement is true.

Nice try kid, but no cigar. Now eat shit and die, troll.

[Anonymous No.8520382]

>>8520353
I ain't reading all that shit. The animal bonus levels are garbage.

[Anonymous No.8520397]

>>8520353
nta but the bonuses in 2 and 3 are better than the bonuses in 1, although I wouldn't use the bonuses in 1 as a knock against it

[Anonymous No.8520414]

>>8520353
>strawman argument
I don't think you know what this means

[Anonymous No.8521986]

>>8520397
Define better. They are necessary for level progression in the sequels thus there is a need to seek out the bonus levels. NOW THAT is actually hindering the flow of 2&3 immensely and started Rare on their disastrous path of churning out nothing but tedious collect-athons.

>>8520382
>>8520414
It means it's a bullshit argument to claim DKC1 is weighed down by badly designed bonus stages because they can simply be ignored and avoided completely ESEPCIALLY if you are good at the game and down't need to farm balloons.

[Anonymous No.8522741]

>>8521986
better in that they're fun to do. I enjoy the bonus stages.
>hindering the flow
I disagree. you are wrong.
>churning out nothing but tedious collect-athons
you sound like you get your opinions from youtubers

[Anonymous No.8522954]

The wife K. Rool mentioned was real, at least according to what looks like the Super Mario-kun manga(?)

[Anonymous No.8522961]

>>8522954

[Anonymous No.8523207]

>>8522954
the Mario mangas are wild and they don't give a fuck in crossing over every mario character like a fanfic.

[Anonymous No.8523296]

>>8522954
I don't think that's kun, but I couldn't even suggest what it might be if I had a gun to my head.

[Anonymous No.8523412]

>>8522741
>you may not have opinion if opinion coincides with random youtuber
you type like fag and your shit's all retarded

[Anonymous No.8523423]

>>8522741
FAWK YOOU
NO TUBE, NO TUBE
YOU ARE THE TUBE

[Anonymous No.8523694]

>>8523412
your opinion is that Rare put out nothing but tedious collect-athons which is objectively incorrect.
>Banjo Kazooie
>Banjo Tooie
>DK64
when they were also putting out
>GoldenEye
>Perfect Dark
>Conker's Bad Fur Day (not a collect-a-thon you tard)
>Blast Corps
>multiple Killer Instincts
>Jet Force Jemini
>Diddy Kong Racing
and lots of other games. You would know this if you didn't get your info from some 20 year old youtuber