/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8497706]

>When you love a retro game but you become too good at it for it to provide any challenge or enjoyment.
What's their name?

[Anonymous No.8497712]

Symphony of the Night.

Knowing all the broken shit and just how to deal with enemies lets you steam roll it, it's stupidly easy when you know the spells and secrets.

[Anonymous No.8497791]

>>8497706
>When you love a retro game, but your reflexes deteriorated due to age, and now you suck horribly at it.
Zone of Enders: The 2nd Runner

[Anonymous No.8497798]

>>8497706
I know that feeling, OP, and it can really be terrible, but it's not all hopeless. When faced with this situation, I feel that the best course of action is to take a long break from playing it, and play something else instead, preferably a lot different genres if you have plenty you enjoy, try getting to whatever's in your backlog. Now, after taking this long break where you played something else, you'll go back to the one you were good at before, and you'll be feeling a bit rusty probably, since you haven't played in a while and your muscle memory isn't as accurate, you'll never face the challenge in the same way it was in your first few playthroughs, but it might be challenging again, more than it is currently anyway.

[Anonymous No.8497824]

>>8497706
sotn
megaman x1-3
sonic 3 and knuckles
mario world
lttp

also, i'm just way too good at shmups like gradius 2. i 1cc'd that when i was 10. people say it's hard and i don't know what they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.8497849]

Spyro, kind of. Still very enjoyable but not as much as when I played it for the first time.

[Anonymous No.8497868]

Mario 9

[Anonymous No.8497885]

i know ratchet n clank trilogy wasn't that hard anyways, but man do i miss enjoying it the same way i did when i was 8

[Anonymous No.8498312]

This is why I demand games with wide playstyle variety so that there's dozens of ways to play through and experience a different way. No matter how easy it's gotten, you're still seeing something new or that you at least haven't seen since 8 playthroughs ago. Stays fresh forever.

[Anonymous No.8498454]

>>8497706
Spiderman 2 and 3

[Anonymous No.8498620]

>>8497706
Carmageddon

[Anonymous No.8498636]

>>8497706
Any kind of "figure it out" game can see a big drop in replay value. Metroids, Marios, Zeldas, etc.

[Anonymous No.8498640]

>>8498620
Can't you just play this drunk and it's fun again?

[Anonymous No.8498676]

>>8497706
>muh challenge
It's a fucking toy dude grow up.

[Anonymous No.8498717]

>>8497849
Yeah same. Still definitely enjoyable games to relax to, but half the fun of the game was wondering and exploring the levels trying to find everything, and now I know them so well that I practically have every gem location memorized in all 3 games. Even when I tried replaying the remakes to change it up I pretty much just sweeped through all the levels like a speedrun without even really thinking about it (I don't like speedrunning games)

>>8497885
If you ever want to make basically any RC game more challenging just don't buy the armour, and try to beat them without armour. The combat is a lot more fun when enemies can actually do a threatening amount of damage to you, so you're always forced to dodge, and take cover, or use the more outlandish and indirect weapons. With armors you can always just facetank anything the game throws at you.

This doesn't really work in RC1 though for obvious reasons. Deadlocked either but that at least had an outright difficulty setting with a pretty good extreme option. You also can't 100% complete 3 if you do this because it has a skill point for buying the final armor, but you can just not 100% complete it so who cares.

[Anonymous No.8498730]

Blood

[Anonymous No.8498865]

>>8497706
>too good
op probably couldn't crack top 100 if he tried to speed-run in
you aren't too good at any game, don't give yourself too much credit

[Anonymous No.8498875]

>>8497706
That's what hacks and mods are for.
Although I think after I finish Super Duper Metroid I will have to give the SM hack scene a rest for a good year or two. I beat MSU-1, Hyper, Dread, and Ascent already in the last year.

[Anonymous No.8498878]

>>8498865
You don't understand OP at all.
There is a huge difference between "game no longer provides a challenge" and speedrunner autism.

[Anonymous No.8498883]

>>8498878
>game no longer provides a challenge
if it's so easy, why don't you try to beat it a bit faster? too challenging or something?

[Anonymous No.8498889]

>>8498883
>speed = skill

[Anonymous No.8498894]

>>8498865
>speedrunning is the only metric of skill

[Anonymous No.8498904]

>>8498889
A speedrunner is better than you at every possible metric you could find, possibly even something insignificant like game trivia
They could 100% the game, get a bigger high-score, no damage etc. If you think otherwise you are delusional
Less hubris, more humility
You aren't "too good", you just don't enjoy the game enough to continue getting better at it

[Anonymous No.8498909]

>>8497706
When you realize Max's full potential in SoR2

[Anonymous No.8498912]

>>8498904
No, you just get good at repeating patterns and get upset whenever there's RNG or get thrown out of rhythm proving you can't adapt.

[Anonymous No.8498914]

>>8498904
except they arent because they practice patterns and just reset if they get the wrong one, they dont know how to recover or have backups, its just reset then try to brute force the best pattern over and over again

[Anonymous No.8498934]

>>8498914
>they dont know how to recover or have backups
There are entire strategies revolving around backups, if you are high-level enough you might have plans A through Z. If they reset as soon as they do a mistake its not because "they don't know what else to do", it's because there's nothing else they can do if they want to have a better time
Again, what metric can you find where you are better than speedruners? I saw that guy (kosmic?) who speedruns SMB1 play advanced romhacks blind. Do you seriously think that you don't need to have extended control over the game's physics and mechanics to pull out the "patterns" they are doing?

[Anonymous No.8498939]

>>8498934
will you reply to OP or are you gonna keep screeching? funny you talk about muh hubris muh humility when you have none of the second to respond to the actual question and too much of the first.

[Anonymous No.8498950]

>>8498883
Because it's stupid.

[Anonymous No.8498956]

>>8498904
Yes, because they have played the game far past any any actual gameplay challenge and are now operating on a completely artificially inserted "challenge" that exists outside the game. In the worst cases speedrunners are hardly even playing the same game anymore, they're just playing Glitch Quest 69.

[Anonymous No.8498964]

>>8498914
>except they arent because they practice patterns and just reset if they get the wrong one
This is incorrect.
Good speedrunners can in fact play their game backwards and forwards with their eyes closed without save states.
But that doesn't mean OP should be trying to reach that level because that is only "fun" for a certain type of person.

[Anonymous No.8498967]

>>8498939
Why are you so desperate to have me answer op's question? You know him personally or something? I already stated that op's question is ignorant as no one on this board is "too good" at any game. I have never heard of a speedrunner, competetive fighting game player, serial challenge tackler/high score breaker or really anyone that could be "too good" at a game actually think that they are too good at the game, they always strive to improve and keep playing. You can always get better. The only ones that ever think they are "too good" at anything are stuck up anonymous loser. How am I the one with no humility?
>>8498956
Yes, they enjoy the game that much that they are willing to do that

[Anonymous No.8498978]

>>8498967
>Why are you so desperate to have me answer op's question?
You're just causing flamewars for your own amusement.

[Anonymous No.8498982]

>>8498967
>Yes, they enjoy the game

[Anonymous No.8498990]

>>8498982
No, they are spending hours grinding just out of pure malice
>>8498978
Not an answer, just an accusation
Isn't this a discussion board? Is there some mandate that I have to pat your forehead and whisper sweet things in your ears and reassure your delusions?

[Anonymous No.8499002]

>>8497706
what in the fuck are you talking about? I bet my ass you are not even as good as you claim it to be.
That's where the fucking road starts. Getting better and better at it, discovering new things, trying and approaching things differently, etc. If the gameplay system is really good it's an endless struggle to get better and better at it. That's whats so great about (retro) games.
So stop acting like a bitch and think about how you can get even better at it.

[Anonymous No.8499005]

>>8498990
>Isn't this a discussion board?
yes, and you're purposedly ignoring the question and being inflamatory to everybody else so no discussion can foster.

[Anonymous No.8499012]

>>8499005
I didn't ignore the question, I responded to it twice, once directly and once indirectly, and I posted very much on topic
If you like answering to loaded nonsensical questions so much, then answer me this, do your parents know that you are transitioning? Im looking for yes/no answers only.

[Anonymous No.8499036]

the idea that a speedrunner is bad at their game is the only thing dumber than trying to claim that you aren't good at a game if you don't speedrun it

[Anonymous No.8499038]

did a janny just get assblassted and delete my post? Lmao the absolute state, grow some thicker skin

[Anonymous No.8499039]

>>8498865
That definitelly is an option for some kinds of games like platformers. But take any random metroidvania that you loved to explore, or an RPG where you had a lot of difficulty figuring out proper builds, or a game where you had difficulty with managing ammo and health. When you get too good at those you could try speedrunning, but that is a completely different kind of challenge from what you found fun in the first place.

[Anonymous No.8499050]

>>8497706
stop collecting power-ups, use shit items.

[Anonymous No.8499053]

>>8499036
i don't like speedruning myself. Like to take my time with games. But i always loved watching speedruns and definitely have mad respect for people who are in this scene.
with that being said: i just joined, i'm not one of the fuckers further up there

[Anonymous No.8499058]

>>8499036
>trying to claim that you aren't good at a game if you don't speedrun it
Yeah obviously, you can be good at the game without speedrunning it, but TOO GOOD?
TOO GOOD?

[Anonymous No.8499060]

>>8499058
yes

[Anonymous No.8499193]

>>8499058
yea. what exactly do you gain by being fast you wouldn't by just labbing?

[Anonymous No.8499196]

>>8497706
Who the fuck becomes emotionally attached to an invested in a game with little replay value? Asking for the human race.

[Anonymous No.8499216]

>>8499193
What kind of nonsensical argument is this? If you can speedrun it means you have mastered advanced strategies beyond just casually "labbing them" it's a higher level of skill

[Anonymous No.8499228]

>>8499196
FUCKING
THIS
Sorry bro, but people like us who see games as more than just disposable goods are very few and far between

[Anonymous No.8499257]

>>8499216
no, you just memorize a pattern. And i'm not trying to downplay speedrunners, but you can apply whatever they do with a way slower pace.
Dodging Nemesis' Rockets has nothing to do with speedrunning.
Blocking Jin's hellsweap correctly has nothing to do with speedruning.
Playing perfectly around No.9 and making him miss during the whole fight has nothing to do with speedrunning.
Defeating Sniper Wolf no-damage with every method has nothing to do with speedrunning.
And comboing stylishly in Tales of Destiny DC has nothing to do with speedrunning.

[Anonymous No.8499280]

>>8499257
>bringing up fighting games
Whole other universe, for that there is multiplayer and it goes without saying that OP is def not too good at that and will never be. If you play fighting games with single player in mind then there is no need for me to discuss anything with you
As for other things you mentioned, speed-runners could do all of these, every pattern, every mechanic you need to master they know and went beyond

[Anonymous No.8499303]

>>8499280
>As for other things you mentioned, speed-runners could do all of these
Who the fuck gives such an answer to what i just said? Anon, are you even reading properly?

[Anonymous No.8499482]

Speedrunning is stupid because eventually even that becomes boring as fuck and then you start doing shit like this, which is just ultimate boredom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-zAWbM50JM

[Anonymous No.8499508]

>>8497706
Jet Set Radio is one of those for me. Such a unique game, there's literally nothing else like it. Even JSRF is not the same, although also fun. But I got so good at it, I can finish the entire thing with a Jet rating on every stage in one sitting. At this point, I just use it to relax sometimes and do custom graffiti.

[Anonymous No.8499939]

>>8499508
I can't stand Lacus, yet I want to do my part to breed the coordinator out of her bloodline. Also fuck, I need to finish watching Seed.

[Anonymous No.8499958]

>>8497712
the key to extending the life of a game is self-imposed challenges.
for SotN i like playing luck mode and minimizing the amount of map uncovered. i rely on whatever drops i come across. it makes the game more interesting, much faster to beat, and much more challenging.

[Anonymous No.8500013]

>>8497706
I agree with the anon in the post above me, self-imposed challenges are a way to make it more difficult for yourself without the game itself having to do anything different from what it currently does, so it'll still be the same game you love playing, but harder, and it can get much harder depending on how much you like difficulty, and what you choose.

I feel that some of the main examples are speedrunning it, or going for a 1CC, I never do the former because constantly restarting when making a small mistake sounds like torture, I don't know how speedrunners have the mind for it, now for 1CC it can be a pain in a tough game, but with games one has already mastered, it a lot more doable.

I hope it works out for you somehow, OP!

[Anonymous No.8500023]

>>8498914
For something like SMB1 sure, that's why some of them moved on to Lost levels warpless which is just generally more challenging and isn't patterned.

[Anonymous No.8500034]

Burnout 2. I think it's very nearly as good as Burnout 3 but the AI just presents no competent challenge once you master boost chaining.

[Anonymous No.8500036]

>>8498730
What's a good difficulty setting for this game? I tried this game once but didn't quite get it.

[Anonymous No.8500387]

>>8497706
This is why you play shmup. Even when you finish with perfect no hit it still feel like accomplishment all the time.

Just like me with Gigawing. On the Dreamcast, with the original shitty controller.

[Anonymous No.8500390]

>>8498912
That pic is like meeting of 1/10 coping mechanism group. Also what kind of speed runner they're? Barbie games?

[Anonymous No.8502156]

>>8497706
If it's a platformer just turn up the fps till it's a challenge again. I was speedrunning Kid Icarus at 105fps. Never was able to make the jump to 120.

[Anonymous No.8502318]

>>8497706
Never had such issue.
For me, it's actually the opposite.

> When you love a retro game but you keep sucking ass and you can't get better so you can't enjoy a thing you like no matter what

[Anonymous No.8504876]

>>8502318
I know that feel