/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8496270]

Anybody have any good old PC builds that can run most 199x games? Thinking Doom, Quake, Starcraft, etc. Where to buy parts/accessories would also be appreciated

Looking for something like pc above

[Anonymous No.8496412]

I got a dell dimension 3000 from 2004. Runs most late 90s games

[Anonymous No.8496489]

>>8496270
Pretty much anything will run those. You're wasting your time if you're building an old rig to play meme games that will probably run on whatever PC you use now.

[Anonymous No.8496625]

>>8496270
go to thrift shops, eventually you will be lucky. laptops are worth considering as an option; just about any old pentium 2 / 3 laptop will play any of the games you mentioned without difficulty, and laptops tend to survive into the modern era more often than desktops just by virtue of the fact that they weren't taking up a lot of space. if you care about early 3d accelerated games then look for one with at least a ATI Rage Pro or S3 Savage gpu.

[Anonymous No.8496627]

>>8496489
>will probably run on whatever PC you use now.
yeah fucking right, can't even play half the games from the Windows XP era

[Anonymous No.8496726]

>>8496627
But those 3 games aren't half the games from the Windows XP era zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.8496771]

>>8496627
you can play most old shitty games in a browser emulator now zoomie it's the year 2022

[Anonymous No.8497107]

You can install Windows XP on a modern system. You need an install image with proper SATA and USB 3.0 drivers integrated, but that's easy enough to do with nLite.
You can burn a disc, or just use something like Rufus or WinSetupFromUSB and make a bootable USB drive to install from.
Modern boards usually have some sort of legacy boot mode in addition to UEFI, so just enable that and you should be set to install.

GPU drivers have XP support up to the GTX 960 and the R9 370X. And Snappy Driver Installer should help with everything else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtTmmGx18tg
This video is a bit specific, but he goes through some of the things you should be aware of. Including flashing an earlier BIOS because of that spectre/meltdown exploit with Intel boards, which I guess broke XP compatibility with his board.

[Anonymous No.8497130]

>>8496270
Just lurk on eBay and local sales sites for good deals, unless you have friends who are into this too you can trade with.

>Intel Pentium III 1000MHz/1GHz
>384MB RAM (3x128MB, PC133)
>Gigabyte GA-6VXE7+ (VIA Apollo Pro133)
>Nvidia GeForce2 GTS Pro 64MB AGP
>3DFX Voodoo 2 12MB PCI
>Creative SoundBlaster Live! PCI
>Creative SoundBlaster AWE32 2MB ISA
>ALi USB 2.0 PCI Controller
>3Com EtherLink PCI 100Mbps
>Adaptec 29160N PCI Ultra160 SCSI Controller
>18GB 10000 U/min Ultra160 SCSI HDD
>73GB 10000 U/min Ultra320 SCSI HDD
>Hitachi PATA 8x/40x DVD-ROM
>Seagate PATA 10GB HDD
>NEC 1.44MB floppy drive

Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical and a Model M as keyboard. Real CRT in any case, preferably more than 80kHz.

That was my Y2K build.

[Anonymous No.8497138]

>>8497130
Another one, more balls to the wall without regard for period correctness like the previous one.

>Pentium III Coppermine 1GHz
>512MB (2x256MB) PC133 (OC 140)
>VIA Apollo Pro 133A
>Nvidia GeForce 7800 GS 256MB AGP
>2x 3dfx Voodoo 2 12MB SLI
>Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
>Creative Sound Blaster 16 OPL3
>3Com Gigabit ethernet 3C2000
>Initio INIC1623 SATA controller
>WD Raptor 78GB 10000RPM SATA HDD
>WD Blue 500GB 7200RPM SATA HDD
>WD 160GB 7200RPM IDE HDD in the front caddy
>IDE DVD-ROM,
>1.44MB 3,5" floppy
>Onboard USB 2.0
Real IRQ Hell.

They are all geared towards DOS and Win9x compatibility with support in hardware for as many APIs of the time as possible, starting with the more widespread ones.

Maybe you find some inspiration, good luck.

[Anonymous No.8497140]

>>8497130
Here's also a full shot.

[Anonymous No.8497145]

>Doom, Quake, Starcraft, etc

Literally all of those can be played on a Windows 10 machine.

There's very little reason to bring the 'Original Hardware' mentality to PC gaming.

90+% of games from that era will run on a modern system with very little effort and most of the good ones have already got re-releases on GOG or elsewhere.

For everything else consult https://www.pcgamingwiki.com or alternatively https://www.vogons.org

There's very little reason to go hunting for old hardware, and this is without even mentioning virtual machines.

[Anonymous No.8497148]

>>8497138
Also for this "little" bugger.

[Anonymous No.8497152]

>>8497138
>>Nvidia GeForce 7800 GS 256MB AGP
>>2x 3dfx Voodoo 2 12MB SLI

Gott damn

[Anonymous No.8497195]

>>8496627
Use a VM or try compatibility mode, and make sure you have all the dependencies.
>>8496489
They probably can't run those because modern versions of Windows don't support 16 bit executables. Of course both Doom and Quake have source ports and digital releases compatible with modern operating systems.

[Anonymous No.8497197]

For Windows 9x stuff I have a Pentium III 1GHz, 512 MB RAM, and an AGP motherboard.

I think that should satisfyingly cover most of the mid-to-late 90s gaming.

[Anonymous No.8497201]

>>8497195
>They probably can't run those because modern versions of Windows don't support 16 bit executables.
NTVDM that runs 16-bit programs under 64-bit Windows 10 exists and works fine.

[Anonymous No.8497203]

I can run basically any 199x games without having to rely on ancient failing hardware and old as shit insecure OSes.

[Anonymous No.8497207]

>>8497203
Who the fuck cares if something is insecure if you're not connecting it to the Internet?

Then again I've never seen anyone prove that in the aftermath of security patching how easily vulnerable an older OS is anyway so I say so long as you have a specific purpose in how you use your old PC it's not a huge risk.

[Anonymous No.8497210]

>>8497207
There's no problems, unless you're a high risk target that would invest heavily in trying to break into your network, having your Win98 box hooked up to the web to play Halo or whatever other shit won't be any security concern.

[Anonymous No.8497212]

>>8497201
Sauce, cause Microsoft says it only works on x86 versions of Windows and 64-bit ones don't support 16-bit code at all. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/ntvdm-and-16-bit-app-support

[Anonymous No.8497223]

>>8497212
It was called NTVDMx64 or similar, I haven't used it in a long time
I remember playing Win3.1 version of Chips Challenge on a Windows 10 64-bit installation using that just like it would be a normal program

[Anonymous No.8497227]

The biggest danger I have about connecting obsolete software to the Internet is that it becomes an intrusion point for the rest of your network by virtue of its outdatedness (like someone contrives a non-interactive way to breach a years-unpatched security layer on your old OS and now has internal access to your network, meaning your otherwise adequately protected modern hardware is now vulnerable from a side that is deliberately less guarded).

But this is a very specific fear and one I think that only affects larger entities. If you don't leave your old PC connected to the net 24/7 (and why would you) then it shouldn't be a big deal. Individual PC users really shouldn't have anything to fear.

[Anonymous No.8497229]

>>8497195
>Of course both Doom and Quake have source ports and digital releases compatible with modern operating systems.
GLQuake and Doom95 are both 32bit Windows programs though
No reason to play them over source ports, even on old hardware though

[Anonymous No.8497231]

>>8497223
Or maybe it was called otvdm or maybe both did the same thing, I really can't remember

[Anonymous No.8497240]

>>8497231
otvdm would've been great to know about when I tried to install House of the Dead last year. Couldn't get it working because the installer is a 16-bit application.

[Anonymous No.8497245]

>>8497240
Yeah it works for installers too, which is nice for games that are 32-bit but with 16-bit installers also.
Seeing the old installers on modern Windows looks awesome and weird at the same time though.

[Anonymous No.8497248]

>>8497227
Someone would have to specifically target you and know you're running outdated software to exploit it.

[Anonymous No.8497252]

>>8497248
Exactly. I just see it as a small attack surface in the grand scheme of things.

I assume I'm not talking to a bunch of sixty-year old grandparents who never touched a PC until they were in their forties.

[Anonymous No.8497289]

>>8497248
>someone
I cannot understand how kids do not comprehend the fact that there are fucking automated bots all over the internet actively looking for targets to exploit using every known fucking exploit ever created. You act like some fucking "hackerman" has to look for and manually hack into your system.
God fucking damn, you kids have no concept of reality.

[Anonymous No.8497316]

>>8497289
Nobody is running bots to look for very specific software for Windows 98 to exploit and you'd need to be running said software in the first place.
I cannot understand how kids do not comprehend the fact that modern routers have firewalls and you'd need software to actively open a port and talk with the outside world for someone to even be able to talk to your Windows 98 box. Maybe you're running SMB on your Win98 box to share files and that's easily exploitable, but ports for SMB are closed outside your network, even if there's bots pining for ports for old SMB to exploit, they are not open.

>>8497252
It's far, FAR more common that your network great like router gets attacked because a unpatched recent exploit or you're dumb enough to run outdated (or SSH with weak password and no limited retries) SSH with open ports to the internet, with it's default ports.

[Anonymous No.8497649]

>>8497152
Absolutely overkill

[Anonymous No.8498593]

>>8497289
If you're just using passive hacking tools to scan for vulnerable targets you need to hit the outside edge of a network first before being able to penetrate any internal targets. If someone exploits that then you're SOL from the jump, they had the keys to the kingdom all along.

I'm certainly not going to use a Windows XP machine as a file server with perpetual uptime, I would entrust that to a node that I have more faith in.

[Anonymous No.8498603]

>>8497289
If you're just using passive hacking tools to scan for vulnerable targets you need to hit the outside edge of a network first before being able to penetrate any internal targets. If someone exploits that then you're SOL from the jump, they had the keys to the kingdom all along.

I'm certainly not going to use a Windows XP machine as a file server with perpetual uptime, I would entrust that to a node that I have more faith in. But cognizant use in a situation where I am actively interacting with it, such as downloading a patch for an old game I'm running on the system? I don't see the harm.

Layer 8 security is always going to be the weakest link in your network stack. Not being an idiot with your interactions with the network is going to go a lot farther than any preemptive measure you try to take at a lower layer.

[Anonymous No.8499929]

>>8497195
>They probably can't run those because they're retarded, as am I
Used to be kids might have trouble beating a game. Now they can't even get it to run. At this rate it's only a matter of time before you mental capacity becomes so diminished you're incapable of even breathing.
There are so many ways to play those games on modern hardware and they've been discussed so many times here. I guess they're breeding stupids faster than /vr/ can learn them.

[Anonymous No.8500330]

My neighbor died, so I went into their house and took their computer. It had this, and a fucking 80 gigabyte HDD in it

Anyway, is this good for a Win98se/SOD gaming rig?

I also have a ATI Radeon R6 SDR64MB AGP card, and PNY Nvidia GeForce FX5200 182MB DDR PCI card.

[Anonymous No.8500331]

>>8496771
>emulator
Who gives a fuck about ghetto shit?

[Anonymous No.8500335]

I just want to play my old eroge games

[Anonymous No.8500349]

>>8500330
*WIndows98se/DOS

[Anonymous No.8500502]

>>8497195
WINE runs 16bit windows programs,just use that,i know theres a version for windows for that very use-case.

[Anonymous No.8500631]

>>8500330
Yes, have fun.

[Anonymous No.8500646]

>>8500330
Do you want to be praised for stealing a dead person's stuff, is that it?

[Anonymous No.8500727]

>>8500646
How can you steal something from somebody who doesn't exist anymore?

[Anonymous No.8500750]

Whats the point of this

[Anonymous No.8500752]

>>8500750
Playing old PC games on native hardware and APIs, while having a more genuine feel.
Why play old consoles and not emulate? Same logic.

[Anonymous No.8500832]

>>8500727
Plenty of ways. How'd you do it Jerome?

[Anonymous No.8500865]

>>8500832
The garage door was left open, so I just walked in. It's okay, contractors will come eventually to do a clean out, and everything will be taken to the dumps. I'm just recycling.

[Anonymous No.8502458]

>>8500750
it's fun

[Anonymous No.8502794]

>>8500865
>I'm just recycling.
It's called peacefully protesting, ya dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.8503335]

>there are two kinds of AGP slots

WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT.

[Anonymous No.8504053]

>>8503335
>two

we have such sights to show you

[Anonymous No.8504096]

>>8502794
But anon, I'm white. The person who suspended ownership of their earthly belongings by growing old and dying alone in their home was black.

[Anonymous No.8504115]

>find motherboard with seemingly perfect amount of slots
>lol btw, did you know that processors can take the form of a card :D :D :D hope you wanted a 500Mhz Pentium 3 katmai

[Anonymous No.8504127]

>>8502794
nah it's called stopping the steal now.

[Anonymous No.8504136]

>>8499929
>before you mental capacity
Heh, that's your second mistake kid. The first one was crossing my path.

[Anonymous No.8504160]

>>8496270
I think a decent number of them can run on hardware from the 2000s. I've been getting some parts from China slowly but the pandemic put a stop to that but I'd like to complete the Server 2003 build to play those old games. Consider: https://youtu.be/dlZlw6XajQM

[Anonymous No.8504501]

>>8504096
>But anon, I'm a white nigger
And a vile entitled thieving zoomie to boot

[Anonymous No.8504510]

>>8504160
>Windows XP build
I recommend a modern computer running Windows 10 Enterprise

[Anonymous No.8504548]

>>8504115
There are SLOT-1 adapter cards for Socket 370 CPUs. My SLOT-1 board is running a Coppermine 1 GHz P3 on such an adapter.

[Anonymous No.8504573]

>>8504115
>>8504548
Worse problem is that Slot-1 board were older and usually had sub-par chipsets compared to later boards.
AGP with 5 PCI slots and ISA slot that have Socket 370 still exist though.

Remember you can use both the ISA slot and PCI slot at the same time, both cards just can't have ports on the back, so you're limited to SCSI or SATA adapters or related.

[Anonymous No.8504586]

>>8504573
There are also hybrid boards, although I don't know if those are inferior to straight Socket 370 boards.

[Anonymous No.8504593]

>>8496489
Windows 7+ killed compatibility for some of my games that run via the cd rom autorun feature. Medieval total war, Rome total war etc. I have an old Dell dimension that i keep for just that reason.

[Anonymous No.8504596]

>>8504593
Why not use cracks?

[Anonymous No.8504689]

My system:

>Intel Celeron 633mhz
>512MB DDR RAM (totally overkill for a system from this era but it's what I had lying around)
>Nvidia GeForce 2 32MB VRAM
>52X beige Sony DVD drive from 2005
>120GB IDE HDD, also have a CompactFlash IDE adapter thing lying around but haven't fucked with setting it up yet
>Win98SE vanilla, I don't fuck with UOSP3 or anything like that because it sucks major nigger dick from my experience and the only way to fix it is to reinstall the entire OS

[Anonymous No.8504704]

>>8504689
>>Win98SE vanilla, I don't fuck with UOSP3 or anything like that because it sucks major nigger dick from my experience and the only way to fix it is to reinstall the entire OS
You don't have to install the whole thing, it's a collection of smaller things. I only use the performance related options, since faster storage, CPUs and more RAM is something default 98 isn't configured for.

[Anonymous No.8504752]

>>8504593
>filtered by autorun
ngmi

[Anonymous No.8504783]

>>8504501
1992, my friend. And again, you can't steal something from someone who doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.8504857]

>>8504752
Why do you insult people who don't do things EXACTLY the same way you do, you paint-huffing piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.8504895]

>>8504783
Better for someone who will have some use for it to get it than some next of kin who wouldn't know what to do with it.

[Anonymous No.8506183]

>>8504857
>Why do you laugh at tards who are too retarded to do something?
It's funny because they're retarded

[Anonymous No.8507006]

>>8504783
Yes, you can stead from dead people, you pathetic little 30yo zoomer.

[Anonymous No.8507115]

>>8507006
You can, doesn't mean it's acceptable.

[Anonymous No.8507720]

>>8507006
"Dead people" is an abstract concept. When a person dies, they don't actually exist anymore. We call them a "dead person" but that's an oxymoron. They're not a person anymore. They weren't anything. They're gone and ceased to exist in any capacity.

Abstract concepts can't claim ownership to things, therefor, you can't steal from abstract concepts such as dead "people"

[Anonymous No.8509494]

>>8507720
Cool headcanon zoomie
When someone dies their belongings don't just magically become free for you to take just because you want it to be so. What a stupid vile cunt you are.

[Anonymous No.8509593]

>>8509494
Facts don't care about your feelings

[Anonymous No.8509704]

buzzwords like zoomer (-oomer shit in general) should be filtered at this point, they're crutches for autists who lack the intelligence and creativity to come up with good banter

[Anonymous No.8509756]

>>8509704
Kind of like soiposting...

[Anonymous No.8510148]

I decided to take a gamble on an FX 5900 (what is claimed to be) Ultra.

I wanted to try a GeForce4 Ti 4600 but those aren't priced as well and apparently an FX 5900 can go punch-for-punch with it anyway in most Windows 98 situations.

[Anonymous No.8510179]

>>8496489
You're kind of right in the sense that most of those old games are on GoG, but anything from that era that isn't won't work on modern PCs because 64-bit is terrible for backwards compatibility and most of those games were crash prone on the systems they were originally made for.

[Anonymous No.8510302]

>>8496270
incel

[Anonymous No.8510340]

>>8510179
He's not right at all don't agree with him. Yeah they're available on GOG, doesn't mean they run properly. I refuse to emulate! I WILL NEVER SURRENDER!

[Anonymous No.8510734]

>>8504510
I got scared off of going to 10 because of all its phone home features. I would like to avoid using too much data from my neighbor's wifi. I'm hopping distros to find one I am happy with, but Linux is for the rich that can afford modern Intel+nVidia opposed to the poverty AMD that is the only affordable options. So the last I am attempting to make is a Win7 build.

>>8497107
Saved the video. Should help me try to figure out how to get 7 onto the nVME drive aligned. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.8510736]

>>8496489
No fun allowed

[Anonymous No.8511025]

>>8496270
Pentium 3 is ideal and as modern as you'll wanna go for 90s. Newer architectures commonly lack ISA and that'll send your DOS compatibility into the toilet regarding sound. Voodoo 3 or Geforce series up to 5 will be ideal. Soundblaster 16 ISA. 256mb of RAM should be enough.

[Anonymous No.8511037]

>>8504689
Seconding. Do NOT fall for the UOSP3 meme good lode that'll take you for a wild ride. Just install USB storage/2.0 (if applicable) drivers and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.8511053]

Don't get any delusions of browsing the modern web on Windows 98. Tried'em all. Retrozilla, K-meleon, you name it, that all blow goats, and that's on a 'good' Windows 98 machine (P4 + 1gb) Limp along solutions at the best of times. Better get used to sideloading via SMB/FTP, USB, or discs. XP's at least a functional experience with MyPal though.

[Anonymous No.8511068]

>>8497107
Doom and Quake are DOS games and StarCraft was pre XP (though it will run on it)

The OS he seeks for a truly 90s experience is Windows 98 which allows you to run DOS games natively. He needs to build for that in particular. Windows 98 covers all 90s games.

[Anonymous No.8511285]

>>8510734
>Linux is for the rich that can afford modern Intel+nVidia
Nvidia sucks on linux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g

[Anonymous No.8511416]

>>8509593
>my headcanon is facts
Yup. That'd be a zoomie.

[Anonymous No.8511480]

>>8511068
Doom95 and GLQuake are Windows games.

[Anonymous No.8511607]

>>8510179
I'm very right because there's a buttload of ways to play old games on modern hardware. But most require an IQ >50 to use, so are sadly out of reach for the average fucktard.

[Anonymous No.8511636]

>>8504704
I could only see UOSP3 being of value to people using XP era machines or later with Win98, but on actual period-accurate hardware it does more harm than good which a lot of people don't understand since the devs and YouTube eCelebs don't set the correct expectations for it.

>lol sure it'll work on a Pentium II why wouldn't it?

[Anonymous No.8511643]

>>8511636
633MHz P3, 512MB RAM and a fast modern HDD or SSD would qualify the tweaks already.

>lol sure it'll work on a Pentium II why wouldn't it?
It would work, but it wouldn't give you much edge on a period-accurate P2, i.e. slow HDD and 64MB RAM, etc.

[Anonymous No.8511681]

>>8511643
I'd rather keep the standard slow HDD speed and CPU bottleneck than deal with chronic BSOD's and driver failures.

[Anonymous No.8511684]

Even STALKER: Clear Sky has to be run in compatibility mode because of the stupid DRM they use

[Anonymous No.8511686]

>>8511681
Yeah it takes some knowledge and the right drivers / hardware to build cutting edge stable systems with the shitshow that's Win9x.

[Anonymous No.8511717]

>>8511684
Use crack
Don't think anyone would have thought how useful cracks will be again thanks to DRM being so shit and breaking so much

[Anonymous No.8512038]

>>8497145
>There's very little reason to go hunting for old hardware
for fun

[Anonymous No.8512445]

I wish someone made I/O covers for AT boards

[Anonymous No.8512447]

>/v/
>emulation bad, play on original hardware
>also /vr/
>hurr old hardware bad just run on modern

[Anonymous No.8512458]

>>8512445
They do. Plenty on eBay.
You can also buy a blank one and stamp a hole yourself if you want to save a couple bucks and have a right size sharp pipe.

[Anonymous No.8512468]

>>8512445
>>8512458
Also since you're using a PS/2 adapter anyways, maybe your motherboard also has a keyboard header (usually behind the AT connector or nexto the keyboard chip) and you can just get pic related, then just use a solid I/O shield instead and hide the AT connector.

[Anonymous No.8512484]

>>8512468
I actually soldered a PS/2 socket onto the motherboard

[Anonymous No.8512487]

>>8512484
Very nice

[Anonymous No.8512491]

>>8512484
after

[Anonymous No.8512496]

>>8512487
those cunts at Lucky Star had a proprietary ps/2 mouse pinout, literal unobtainium

[Anonymous No.8512614]

I picked up two Pentium 3/W2K workstations from an old workplace several years ago. Only thing I had to pay for was a GPU for certain games.

[Anonymous No.8512706]

I finally found .ISO of Assault Rigs for 3D Rage cards, but I can't upload images for some reason