/CRT/ General: Diamonds Edition

[Anonymous No.8477842]

>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

CRT Pastebin (WIP) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3x
Guide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQ
Guide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZ
General Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdf
S-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7W
BKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33J
JVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY

[Anonymous No.8477892]

>>8477842
>used to be free
>used to run in a browser
>used to run natively on Linux
>current version is none of the above
I know it was just a worse version of Q3 from the beginning but I'll be mad about it on my death bed.

[Anonymous No.8477909]

>>8477892
Just play the old version, it's still all of that.

[Anonymous No.8477914]

>>8477842
Did anyone copy the guide about getting 15khz 240p out of modern video cards for cheap?

[Anonymous No.8477920]

[Anonymous No.8479186]

>>8477842
Hey /crt/, posted several times in this thread before, but I'm giving away an HP P1110. Flat Trinitron tube, overall pretty good condition, just don't have a use for it since I also have a Sony CPD-G500 and a ViewSonic PS790. The Kijiji gougers typically have the Dell equivalent priced at $150+. Anyone here in the Toronto area, it's yours for free.

Unfortunately this one needs to go ASAP. If I can't successfully give it away to someone from /vr/ then there's a 90% chance it'll end up in the hands of a Reddit hoarder (and if that is the outcome, I will price it accordingly)

[Anonymous No.8479220]

im in the GTA area, let me know when you post it up on marketplace/kijiji

[Anonymous No.8479329]

>>8479220
Do you have an email or something? Probably easier just to message you

[Anonymous No.8479349]

>>8479329
[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.8479398]

Just upgraded from a composite-only 27" Toshiba to a 27" Magnavox telly with YPbPr and S-video inputs. Found them both for free on fb marketplace this year.
The new set is fucking dope. The Toshiba has a really nice picture but the inputs put the Magnavox over the top. PS2 games look a lot better through component and it helps out PS1 games as well. The Dreamcast through S-video is hardly an upgrade from composite, at least in Soulcalibur, but we all know Dreamcast really shines through VGA. Now I have to relist this 100lb monster on the web and hope someone else scoops it.

[Anonymous No.8479421]

>>8479398
Ah yes, my grandma had one of these VHS/DVD/CRT combos. Was a lot of fun when the mechanism that opened and closed the disc tray somehow broke and trapped "South Pacific" inside the unit.

[Anonymous No.8479425]

>Used to play retro solely through a Framemeister.
>I play some retro at a meet up on a 6 or 8 inch PVM.
>Really enjoy the look, so I buy a 20 inch former medical monitor.
>Love it, but want something even better.
>Get a D20F1U.
>Even though I've got the best 4:3 monitor, I want another.
>Literally can't stop thinking about getting a 20L5.
I shouldn't have fallen for the PVMeme.

[Anonymous No.8479506]

>>8479425
>20L5
How did this become everyone's endgame? My white whale is currently a 36" toshiba or sony because fuck it own a home now. the 20L5 doesn't do anything other displays could do other than being an "all in one" from what I can see.

[Anonymous No.8479525]

>>8479506
>mfw parents have a 35" Trinitron at their cottage

It's absolutely fucking glorious. I like the 27" D-series I have at home, but the 35" just feels so immersive and beautiful, despite the geometry issues it's developed over the years. I would take it and put it in my house but I can't be arsed to move 200 pounds of leaded glass.

Agreed on the PVM. I have a 14M4U which I actually got for free the summer before I started university. It was nice as a desktop setup when I was in school, but after I got a house it just ended up sitting in a closet. It's super sharp and a really nice set, but I just don't really use it now that I have the space.

Anyways I would highly recommend a 36" D-series or Sony Triniton if you can get a few buddies to help move it. There are LOTS of them available, so not much of a white whale.

[Anonymous No.8479552]

I ended up buying a Toshiba CRT for $25 in late November. It's more or less brand new and fresh out of the box, but I don't have much desk space left with it on my desk, nor does it have component. I do however have a smaller CRT monitor that's your standard white VGA cable sort. Would that and something like https://www.amazon.com/Component-Converter-BolAAzuL-Adapter-Supports/dp/B091L5KZK1/ be worthwhile to use as a replacement, do you suppose?

[Anonymous No.8479654]

>>8479552
Something tells me this will introduce input lag and defeat the purpose of your analog setup.

[Anonymous No.8479664]

>>8479552
for 240p it would be atrocious
for hi res things like the ps3 it would be perfectly good
if you're trying to connect everything you have to it you'll want something more robust like a framemeister

[Anonymous No.8479689]

>>8479506
I don't really have a good explanation for why I want a 20L5. I already have a 20M2MDE, which I use for 3rd and 4th gen console, while the D20F1U is used for 5th generation consoles and later.
I just kind of want something in the middle. Something I could easily hook up to either of the other two monitors.
My true white whale would be a D32E1WU, but I'm not buying a monitor for the cost of a new car.
I hope you get your 36" CRT someday.

[Anonymous No.8479698]

>>8479186
I'm not in the area but good luck finding someone anon, you're a good guy. Is that Captain Tylor?

[Anonymous No.8479703]

>>8479398
The Toshiba is not likely better if you RGB mod it

[Anonymous No.8479707]

>>8479703
Most likely*

[Anonymous No.8479825]

>>8477842
Can someone help a brainlet calibrate the geometry of his Trinitron? I’ve been trying to use guides and using the system menu and I still see a wavy warping during scrolling scenes.

[Anonymous No.8480269]

[Anonymous No.8480273]

>>8480269

[Anonymous No.8480275]

>>8480269
>>8480273
>composite and svideo only
Got what it deserves

[Anonymous No.8480284]

How do you do fellow crt chads? Finishing my SA play through. Did Sonic then E now I'm on tails.

[Anonymous No.8480295]

>>8479506
I'd love to find a 22" VGA monitor, I find consumer sets for free all the time but have only come across two decent VGA displays over the last few years, both only 17".
It would also be nice to find a low hours 36" set, I have two 27" each with their own drawbacks, downsizing to a single set would be great.

[Anonymous No.8480305]

>>8479703
Agree but I'm not autistic enough to do that...yet. Give me another three years.

[Anonymous No.8481147]

>>8479698
Yep that's Captain Tylor, good eye. Good show.

>>8480295
I think PC monitors were trashed a lot sooner because they're a lot lighter than TVs (making it easier to pick one up and throw it out on a whim) and their bulk is more noticeable than TVs, because they're on your desk in front of your face, rather than in a corner of a basement room. The day of reckoning is coming for all the consumer sets, but it came long ago for VGA monitors.

10 years ago, you could find CRT monitors no problem. My university used to throw them out every week. I picked up my Sun Ultra 1 and the accompanying 21" GDM-5010pt by just being at the ewaste bin at the right time (they were basically brand new). It's become noticeably more difficult to find CRT computer monitors in recent years. Even the municipal e-waste, which used to be pretty reliable for me, is now just a source of disappointment. There was a huge uptick in volume during COVID, probably because people had more time to clean out their basements and garages. Now it just seems like everything that can be thrown out... has been thrown out. And the result is fierce competition for the remaining units. Do not underestimate the CRT autists on FB marketplace.

[Anonymous No.8481154]

>>8481147
High end CRT monitors are still easy to find IMO, at least in Europe

[Anonymous No.8481157]

>>8477914
Get a old AMD GPU and crt_emudriver, done
That's the only way

[Anonymous No.8481198]

>>8481157
>Just buy more computer parts bro
No

[Anonymous No.8481214]

>>8481157
No need. See: >>8475047

[Anonymous No.8481508]

>>8481147
they're freaks all right

[Anonymous No.8481605]

>>8479186
Based captain tylor fan

[Anonymous No.8481638]

>that profeel when no PC CRT

[Anonymous No.8481641]

>>8481638
>those scanlines
Ugh, can barely see what it's even supposed to be, too much TV lines and too definitive scanlines

[Anonymous No.8481647]

>>8481641
Would you prefer it if it was line-doubled?

[Anonymous No.8481662]

Do people RGB-mod old wood cabinet console televisions? Is that a thing? They should look nice afterwards. Very vintage arcade-y.

[Anonymous No.8481667]

The silver diamondtron is cool kind of wish my 2070SB was silver it would go well with my silver D series but honestly would prefer that be black instead

[Anonymous No.8481670]

>>8481647
Nah, 240p is fine, just less TV lines and maybe slot or shadow mask instead
Heck even AG with less TV lines doesn't look as fucked up like pic related

[Anonymous No.8481678]

>>8481670
No joke, I've been trying to recreate a look much like that 14FS100 with shaders, but it's surprisingly hard.

[Anonymous No.8481696]

>>8481670
Interesting how when the picture is big left looks horrible and even hard to tell what's on there and right looks so-so, but in the thumbnail left looks like pixels but right looks just... organic or smooth?

[Anonymous No.8482000]

>>8481670
moar examples of SMB3 merry-oh pls

[Anonymous No.8482002]

I'm a bored hacker. If you want the password to someone's Snapchat account (you choose), I don't mind trying it out

Ask me on Snapchat @HugoSam2

[Anonymous No.8482006]

>>8482002
Can you download some monitors for me?

[Anonymous No.8482108]

>keep finding random junk crts all over town
>dunno what the best quality ones are so i have no idea what is worth keeping or not

[Anonymous No.8482227]

>>8480284
Damn, I have a set that looks exactly like that one. It even has that broken front part (I broke it myself when moving). Thing uses some black magic for composite input, it's ridiculous how good it makes it look.

[Anonymous No.8482254]

>>8482108
Look up model #
Check horizontal deflection frequency: 110+ are keepers

[Anonymous No.8482256]

>>8479552
a retrotink is a pretty good option because it's known to support 240p just fine and it doesn't do scaling shit you don't want

[Anonymous No.8482272]

>>8482227
Ya I bought it with the broken front part. It was one of the last crt tvs my local big thrift store sold before they stopped accepting them.
It does look really good. I need to setup a light blocker though as my room lighting causes alot of reflection unless the room is dark. Nothing worse than seeing your old balding face in the tv reflection during black parts in cut scenes.

[Anonymous No.8482382]

>>8482108
the best quality ones are the ones that you turn on a see they're good quality. Take them home and check them anon you nincompoop

[Anonymous No.8482417]

>>8477842
>Tweaking that convergence

[Anonymous No.8482428]

>>8477842
>Tweaking that convergence

[Anonymous No.8482606]

>Playing on my OLED TV in Game Mode and Black Frame Insertion to the max.
>Change to my entry-level 14" CRT TV with mono audio.
>Immediately notice the difference in image retention and input lag.
It's not fucking fair.

[Anonymous No.8482708]

Is there any way to fix CRTs getting wonky sync on white screens when using composhit? I have two different sets which get all fucky on the Kirby's Adventure title screen.

[Anonymous No.8482886]

>>8481670
its-a-me mario on my pvm-14m2e with rgb out. looks perfectly fine to me.

[Anonymous No.8482918]

>>8481508
what is that in real currency? I'd pay a couple hundred for a mint Diamondtron

[Anonymous No.8483087]

Hello /vr/, /g/ here, made this thing, add it to the general or something
https://kosshi.gitlab.io/vgatimingeditor/
Here's some Diamonds too. You're welcome!

[Anonymous No.8483217]

>>8482886
Because that's "only" a 600 TVL CRT? Compared to anons picture of a 800 TVL one.
Still a little too sharp for 3/4th gen but at least not as bad.

[Anonymous No.8483248]

>>8479186
100% sure the people here are also the reddit people. Maybe one out of 1000 are only here.

[Anonymous No.8483250]

>>8483248
I never post on reddit, only times I visit is when I need some info/guide by someone who wrote it or linked it on reddit and google brings it up.

[Anonymous No.8483252]

>>8482918
No you wouldn't. Because no one would sell you a decent CRT for under $1000 these days. Delusional people that think CRTs are still the best, being sold to by others that were delusional about how good CRTs are regret their purchase. All sold to by someone that wanted a quick buck from curb trash.

[Anonymous No.8483254]

>>8481670
>Blowing them up a ton to attempt to prove a point
left looks better when not scaled 10x

[Anonymous No.8483260]

>>8483252
I get 21"+ 130-140kHz units for free till this day. You sure you know what you're doing?

[Anonymous No.8483262]

>>8483254
then look at the thumbnail, left looks like a lcd at this point, you can even see the crts representation of pixels that mario is made out of

[Anonymous No.8483361]

So good to see /crt/ back

[Anonymous No.8483405]

>>8481667
Wow that looks good

>>8479186
Based Captain Tylor poster, doing God’s work

[Anonymous No.8483695]

>>8483252
I would, my max would be like $500, I'd put the money towards an OLED if I wanted to spend over a grand. Only meme tier monitors like the FW900 or BVMs sell for that much.

[Anonymous No.8483908]

Walked out to check the mail and saw my neighbor had this out on the curb.

[Anonymous No.8483939]

>>8483908
That's some nice luck! It looks nice and cute

[Anonymous No.8483945]

>>8483908
New year starts well I see, enjoy anon

[Anonymous No.8483968]

>>8483939
>>8483945
I'll need to put together a setup for it but that's half the fun.

[Anonymous No.8484180]

Saw pic related listed for around $30. I might get it. Just want something good to play PS2 and Wii on. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.8484193]

>>8484180
If that's all you can find, then it's better than nothing
Try to haggle down a little, if it has still life in it, it will do the job I guess

[Anonymous No.8484501]

>>8484180
seems fine but if you have patience you'll find a better set for free, give them $15 if you don't have other CRTs. Does it do component?

[Anonymous No.8484675]

>>8481214
Not sure what your setup looks like, but if you force a single resolution of 2560x240 you're going to run into scaling issues with most games that have a height of 224. Same applies for refresh rates.

[Anonymous No.8484703]

>>8484675
I just use integer scale, when your monitor has pots for geometry easily accessible it's really no issue and I have to usually adjust anyways, so it's no different than having those pixels in the back porch if you'd be using 224p from the start.
Of course you could just add all the system and arcade resolutions from crt_emudriver and let RetroArch switch on demand, but I see no reason to overcomplicate it when I have to adjust picture usually anyways, even with geometry adjusted resolutions/modelines.

I have both 60, 59 and 50 Hz modes of it though for refresh rates.

[Anonymous No.8485031]

>>8484675
That would just result in minor letterboxing as long as you use integer scaling. You can easily adjust the aspect ratio to compensate.

[Anonymous No.8485246]

I just feel like 8 pixels wouldn't be all that missed, even at such a low res

[Anonymous No.8485256]

>>8485246
Hell, you can easily cut off a whole lot more than that and not miss anything. Overscan was a thing, after all.

[Anonymous No.8485653]

>>8482606
this TV makes me hard. how was the dreamcast connected inside, S-video? RGB would make more sense but cause compatibility issues.

[Anonymous No.8485730]

>>8483087
Good contribution, thanks.

Nice MultiSync. Is that your primary monitor? Are you at all worried about wearing out the tube?

[Anonymous No.8485731]

>>8479186
Just received this anon's P1110. Tried it on my X68000 and it works like a beauty.

It will probably end up with my Win98SE Pentium 3 setup. Thanks again!

[Anonymous No.8485760]

if you're in the upstate ny area. there's a Dell p1110 for free on fb marketplace:
/marketplace/item/3154797481431864

[Anonymous No.8485838]

>>8483217
shit u right didnt check the model properly

[Anonymous No.8485865]

>>8485731
>>8485760
Apparently the Great Lakes region has such an excess of P1110s that y’all are giving them away for free

[Anonymous No.8486285]

>>8479186
>>8485760
>finding high end monitor for free or cheap in the US is har...

[Anonymous No.8486304]

>>8485865
I wish it did. Seems like CRTs have dried up lately here in the mitten state.

[Anonymous No.8486321]

So what's my best option to get sega naomi output to my component/composite crt? VGA to component converter? I've been sitting on a Naomi for a couple years and I'd like to finally toss together a ghetto consoleization. Probably just the naomi on some aluminum extrustion with the other stuff hung off of it. I'm not going to modify the Naomi housing.

[Anonymous No.8486619]

>>8485730
>Is that your primary monitor?
Nah, bit hard to see in that picture but there's a LCD right next to it I daily.
Setups changed a bit since, bigger desk and more monitors!

[Anonymous No.8486634]

>>8486619
Retro setups with real CRTs are always nice to see

[Anonymous No.8486821]

Working my way through SA, just need to do Big's stages. Probably not going to A rank the game though since I suck. I was getting hammered by Amy's movement mechanics. Aka instant slowdown the moment you hit a ramp. Twinkle park has loads of atmosphere though.

[Anonymous No.8487073]

After work i'm gonna take a ride to get a 36FS120. Really don't know much about the more recent Sonys. Can the VM be disabled? Any other settings should I should change?

[Anonymous No.8487270]

>>8485731
You're welcome! It's a great tube, hope it gives many years of service. It'll be great for the intended use.

>>8485865
There are definitely a lot more P1110s, specifically the Dell variants, than there are other professional or "prosumer" monitors. They are by far the most common large CRTs where I live. As for "so many that we're giving them away", that's more of a mixed bag. Either the listing is made by someone who knows what they got and puts up the usual "no lowballers" ad, or it's listed under some generic ad title like "old computer monitors" and it's being given away for free. You can definitely find them but it is sort of a game of being in the right place at the right time. I wish we were overflowing with 21" Trinitron tubes, but we aren't.

>>8486285
I'm in Canada but close enough

>>8486619
Damn this is a good setup. Love the NEC.

Is that a CPD-G520 off to the side? These Sonys are nice monitors, and they don't look out of place with "modern" setups. I got mine in December of 2020. Someone had it listed for $20 in another city, I drove 500km (~312 miles) round trip to go and get it. Completely worth the drive, it's a beautiful tube and mine had less than 500 hours of usage and no G2 drift.

Did you run a WinDAS calibration on yours? What sort of things needed adjustment?

>>8487073
If it's an FS120 model, then it should have an option to switch off the ClearEdge VM. To get into the service menu, use the following combination:

>Power Off
>DISP
>5
>VOL+
>Power On

If the above doesn't work, then skip the Vol+ step. The setting should be labeled "VMOFF" OR "VMO", something like that.

Good thing you didn't get one of the later ones, because those all have permanent VM I believe. You can dick around with the sharpness setting but it still doesn't get around that always-on ClearEdge.

There used to be some resource for these later Sony TVs but I can't find them anymore. The internet is more ephemeral and than I would like.

[Anonymous No.8487278]

>>8479186
>>8485731
>>8487270
How did anon contact you??

[Anonymous No.8487281]

>>8487270
>G520
F520*

[Anonymous No.8487303]

>>8487270
>The internet is more ephemeral and than I would like


It used to not be, and it sucks. I remember a post for this set, might have been on reddit on Service Menu tweaks. Like to stop red push in pro mode and turn off VM. Can't find it now.

I have a bunch of big Sonys/JVCs/Panasonics. This set is from 05 so its the newest. Plus it's free, and if it's for free its for me.

[Anonymous No.8487323]

>>8487270
>>8487281
It is a GDM-F520, 10k hours, got it few months ago
> What sort of things needed adjustment?
Only convergence needed complete redo, otherwise it's mint.
The other issue it has though is intermittent ghosting, narrowed it down to bad contacts between main and video boards. Currently waiting for improvised replacements to arrive. Semicommon problem on F520's.

[Anonymous No.8487436]

>>8487278
Magic of 4chan

>>8487323
>>8487281
Ah, my mistake, it looked exactly like my G520 from the outside. The F520 sounds like it should be really nice on paper. I've never owned a monitor with a .22mm dot pitch. What are you referring to when you say "improvised" replacements?

>>8487303
Yeah the information disappearing act is shitty. I only remember this because I had my parents' KV-20FS120 when I was in first year university, and I specifically remember spending hours trying to fuck around with the VM settings. I eventually found a website from some guy who documented how to do it. No fucking clue where it is now. I wish I had bookmarked it, because then I might be able to use the Wayback machine on the off chance it was archived.

>If it's free its for me

Ah yes, I am familiar with this motto

[Anonymous No.8487713]

>>8487436
>The F520 sounds like it should be really nice on paper.
It is one hell of a monitor, the specs are just half the story.
What still blows my mind is that it doesn't use any convergence strips or magnets, it's entierly digitally corrected. Probably the only reason why they could sell these for mere $1600.
>What are you referring to when you say "improvised" replacements?
Could not find the original headers or anything alike from JST or anyone else, so I'm gonna replace the interconnects with gold-plated machine pin headers. If that's not gonna fix this issue, the only option left is to solder the damn boards permanently togheter!

[Anonymous No.8488126]

>>8487270
I recall there being a ton of resources and posts about Sony TVs and Service Menu tweaks on AVS Forum. It was invaluable back when I had a 30XS955.

[Anonymous No.8488153]

>>8480295
What game is that

[Anonymous No.8488227]

>>8487713
>What still blows my mind is that it doesn't use any convergence strips or magnets, it's entierly digitally corrected.
That isn't so weird, even the cheaper CDM and E models of that size and age did that, guess it was just cheaper to re-use parts.

[Anonymous No.8488358]

I'm waiting on some S/Video cables to come in and it's killing me. I've been playing my old favorites for years on a Sony KV27S66 using the original RF hookups. I don't know why I never looked into using better video cables.

[Anonymous No.8488363]

>>8477842
>>8487323
holy shit i would suck a dick for one of those crts

[Anonymous No.8488372]

>>8487073
>>8487270
>>8487436
>>8487303
I have a FS120 and I can't check but the red push was something like AVX or AX. What is this "VM" option you are talking about that should be turned off?

[Anonymous No.8488461]

Ok heading out now to get the 36 inch FS120. I pray for my back. If pictures are not posted of a 36FS120 in the next 2 or so hours assume I died.

>>8488372
VM Stands for "Velocity Modulation", also called Edge Enhancement. It's in a lot of late model CRTs and it always awful, at least to my eyes. When I first saw it I thought it was a focus/convergence issue. Even on movies and TV shows it's awful. Maybe for sports on like a fast moving puck during a hockey game but outside of that it is awful

[Anonymous No.8488654]

>>8488461
I think I know what you're talking about and mine could be turned off from just the main picture menu but again not sure iirc or not

[Anonymous No.8489475]

to be completely and frankly honest with you senpai my 19" CRT monitor just isn't big enough and I wish I had at least a 27" TV.

[Anonymous No.8489484]

>wander into thread to shitpost about missing my old giant CRTs
>anon is heading out for a 36'er right fucking now
pottery

[Anonymous No.8489503]

>>8489475
27 is a great size. 36 is a two person move which would be annoying.

[Anonymous No.8489540]

>>8488153
Jedi Knight Masters of the Sith, highly recommended if you enjoy DF2

[Anonymous No.8489645]

>>8489503
I went down a path of PVM, back when they were cheap. To a 27 inch, then moved to a 36 inch. Bigger is always better to me.

[Anonymous No.8489794]

>>8489503
>36 is a two person move
Yes, but then you leave it in place for years.

[Anonymous No.8490001]

>>8489645
36" PVMs exist?

[Anonymous No.8490689]

NC bros you can get 3 good CRTs for $20. I already have two WEGAs so I'm good.

[Anonymous No.8490868]

>>8489475
Depends on how close you are to it. At 1-2 feet a 19" is perfectly acceptable

[Anonymous No.8490903]

>>8489503
Are 36" even good?
I imagine going past 27, shit would get pretty blurry

[Anonymous No.8490975]

>>8490903
36" are usually the top tier CRTs and also have more granular service menus so in some cases they're better. A lightly used 36" XBR or D series would be a dream CRT.

[Anonymous No.8491001]

>>8487323
i'm pretty new to the crt scene, how do you adjust conversion beside through the settings menu?

[Anonymous No.8491006]

>>8491001
*convergence

[Anonymous No.8491032]

>>8491001
This monitor has a special feature called dynamic convergence, you can literally just drag points in a 9x5 grid with a mouse. WinDAS shenanigans.
But usually if your user/service menu convergence isn't enough, the only other option is taping magnets and conv-strips to inside of the tube.

Do you >>8488227 actually know how common this kind of feature is?

[Anonymous No.8491050]

>>8491032
inside the monitor, outside the tube* xd

[Anonymous No.8491114]

>>8491032
Not him but where can I find a copy of WinDAS?

I have a Nokia 445 Pro, which should be amazing and has relatively low hours (5.2k), but it has some convergence issues.

[Anonymous No.8491126]

>>8491114
windas is for sony or dell monitors and rebrands (or monitors that use sony internals)

[Anonymous No.8491127]

>>8490975
aw shucks, that's well beyond my repairman skills but thanks anyway

[Anonymous No.8491135]

>>8491032
>>8491127

>>8491126
iirc nokia 445 pro has a trinitron fd tube, at least nokia 447xav which i have does

[Anonymous No.8491139]

Btw while I'm here might as well show off this monitor too, a 20" .30mm Trinitron from 1997, though I think the model dates back all the way to late 1995. While it's certainly been in use, it's in a really good condition, no issues whatsoever. G2 could be bumped up as it needs to be ran at 80% brightness, but I can't get Win98 VM to work!

>>8491114
It was linked to me by some anon in /g/, here are both WinDAS and DosDAS patched and ready to work out-of-the-box https://files.catbox.moe/6eze81.rar (keylogger included)
I used 64bit Windows 7 with this fix https://yewtu.be/watch?v=FR7apz7uWZ4
The adapter is this the red one here https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000120687489.html

But are you sure your Nokia is a Sony chassis? I think Nokia made their very own stuff with custom service menus and all, they merely used Trinitron tubes (and hitachi, panasonic, etc)

[Anonymous No.8491348]

the local e-waste facility has a handful of CRTs that they intend to throw away at some point, is there anything worth saving? Most models are very low end
https://pastebin.com/H776TA17
>>8477842
i had a NEC FE990 that looked the exact same than that! were they manufactured by the same company or something? mine was fried due to a voltage spike in a storm sadly

[Anonymous No.8491562]

>>8491348
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_NEC_Display_Solutions

[Anonymous No.8491703]

>>8477842
>Lol cheap old TV, Why would you buy one, u a poorfag?
>10 years later
>Hey these old vidyas look better in crts
>enter (((Reseller scum))
>Nothin personel goy, just bidness
>Current year:
>Lol expensive old TVs, why would you buy one, u a coomllector?

Are crts even worth buying nowadays? Or maybe hopefully (((big tech))) will take notice and new CRTs will start to be manufactured again specifically for the retro Vidya crowd and reseller scums will be BTFO'd.

[Anonymous No.8491950]

>>8477842
Anons I have a stupid question but I have not owned a CRT in many moons and the last one I had was a small 14'' Matsui back when I had space to keep it on a table.
Basically I picked up this LG 14'' and he's a hefty VCR combo boy, I don't have any tables or spaces handy to hold it properly for the time being so I just put in on the carpet. My question is if I play some vidya for an hour or two, will there (a) be a lot of static buildup in the carpet and (b) could this be a hazard for the TV? I do obviously want to make space for it ASAP so this is temporary, but I might be looking at a week or two of this situation maybe. Am I good for now? Thanks!

[Anonymous No.8492127]

>>8491348
The Philips 109B4 is not bad. It’ll do 1600x1200 at 75 Hz. That being said, would be best to try and test them because honestly, a brand new mediocre tube is better than a worn out good tube.

Also it seems CNET finally deleted their CRT database. One less reason for me to visit that shit site.

[Anonymous No.8492371]

>>8491703
There are laser phosphor displays now which have all the benefits of a crt but without the xrays but one company has a patent on them and aren't making consumer tvs or monitors

[Anonymous No.8492397]

>>8490001
I don't think so, I meant I started with a 20 inch PVM, then moved to a 27 inch consumer set, then to another consumer set but 36 inches

[Anonymous No.8492402]

>>8492371
CRTs don't give off X Rays

[Anonymous No.8492638]

How insane would I be to buy this thing
Toshiba 57H81

[Anonymous No.8492647]

>>8492638
I forgot projection tvs were their own thing, ignore me.

[Anonymous No.8492710]

>>8491703
>Are crts even worth buying nowadays?
no, never pay more than $20 for a CRT

[Anonymous No.8492815]

>>8492402
that is literally how they work anon

[Anonymous No.8492849]

>>8492710
Thank you Guybrush

[Anonymous No.8492902]

Does anyone know of any good HDMI to 480i component converters? Amazon only goes down to 480p.

[Anonymous No.8492905]

>>8492902
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32896942663.html?spm=a2g0s.12269583.0.0.30a14827Ua1DIo

[Anonymous No.8492916]

>>8492905
>eu plug
SAD!

[Anonymous No.8492923]

>>8483087
god bless you fellow CRT autist
i enjoy your pics in /g/'s CRT thread; consider coming here more often :)

[Anonymous No.8492934]

>>8477909
Pretty sure you can't connect to servers and play with the old versions. Maybe you can host your own server and people can force connect to that but that will stall out real quick.

[Anonymous No.8493030]

>>8491348
Whenever the thunder looks like it's going to roll in, I always frantically unplug all my CRTs. Whatever minor convergence issues this causes is nothing compared to the grief I would experience if one of them was fried.

>>8491139
Awesome resources and awesome monitor. I used to have one that was very similar and it absolutely kicked the shit out of everything else in 1998. Sadly my mom sent it to the e-waste in 2011 on one of her many unneeded house cleanups.

[Anonymous No.8493112]

>>8492127
>Also it seems CNET finally deleted their CRT database.

Hopefully somebody archived it.

[Anonymous No.8493135]

>>8493112
archive.org probably has it if you know what the url was

[Anonymous No.8493827]

Bro, my brother in-law and I couldn't get the kv 36fs120 up my steps to the game room. While the weight sucked the real issue is the no good place to grip. Ordered these straps to try again.

[Anonymous No.8493868]

>>8492127
>Also it seems CNET finally deleted their CRT database. One less reason for me to visit that shit site.
some of their specs were wrong anyway, i remember two or three CRTs i checked had different refresh rates than those listed
>>8493030
>Whenever the thunder looks like it's going to roll in, I always frantically unplug all my CRTs.
my biggest mistake was not doing that before leaving the house. i heard strong thunder from my workdesk and inmediatelly thought "fuck, my CRT is dead"
its a shame. Well I got a decent CRT since then (ADI G1000) but it must have some worn capacitor or something because it has tons of ghosting so its almost unusable for gaming

[Anonymous No.8494247]

>>8492127
is there or has there ever been a site where you could look up which model uses which tube?

[Anonymous No.8495220]

>>8494247
the service manual lists the part numbers

[Anonymous No.8495231]

Potentially stupid question due to lack of knowledge but I have a Toshiba MD13Q42 and was wondering if there was a way to get into the settings of the tv without the remote since it was given to me without one. I looked up the user manual online and couldn't find any way to do it without one (unless I'm blind)

[Anonymous No.8495410]

>>8495231
universal remote, or universal remote app if you have an old smartphone with an ir blaster

[Anonymous No.8495520]

>>8491950
No? It’s a crt, it has circuitry specifically to stop static electricity from fucking it.

[Anonymous No.8495593]

I took the RF pill and HOLY SOULY MOLEY it's all the benefits of composite with the SOUL of an AM radio signal. Love it.

[Anonymous No.8495623]

My two criteria for a CRT are A) has component input, and B) is under ~26 in. Do those just make an unlikely combo or something? I've been checking Facebook Marketplace in my area for four months and have yet to see a CRT listed that meets both of those. Seen plenty of bigass >30in. with component, and have also seen plenty of smaller ones but with only composite.

[Anonymous No.8495667]

>>8495593
You ever watch this video?
https://youtu.be/8sQF_K9MqpA
When I was a kid I stumbled onto a channel where it was just someone playing SMB and no one ever believed me and I thought I was crazy until I saw this video. RF is fucking great and hits that deep nostalgia for me.

[Anonymous No.8496013]

>>8495623
Smaller than 27 inches with component is uncommon, 13 inches with component is almost entirely on small trinitrons, and I’ve never seen anything smaller with component

[Anonymous No.8496030]

>>8495623
>A) has component input, and B) is under ~26 in

Sony 20FV300, 24FV300, 20FS100 or 120, 13FS100 or 110

[Anonymous No.8496040]

>>8496030
also any of the toshiba sets of this era, which seem to be more common at smaller sizes than sony sets by my experience

[Anonymous No.8496043]

>>8496013
my 8" pvm-8044q has component

[Anonymous No.8496602]

Can anyone spoonfeed me on upscaling done by receivers? In particular I’m looking at a Yamaha RX-v861 that upscales analog sources to a 1080p signal via hdmi out. It has composite and a-video inputs, so I’m thinking it’s a perfect gaming receiver. Does it actually do anything or does it just convert the signal?

[Anonymous No.8496605]

>>8496602
*component & s-video

[Anonymous No.8496613]

>>8493868
>Well I got a decent CRT since then (ADI G1000) but it must have some worn capacitor or something because it has tons of ghosting so its almost unusable for gaming

Are you sure this isn't a shitty cable or just phosphor persistence?

[Anonymous No.8496623]

>>8495231
Just google the TV's model number on Ebay. There's remotes for 7 dollars.

[Anonymous No.8496658]

>>8492647
>Toshiba 57H81
It's a CRT. It has its place here.
I'm waiting for someone out there to track down one of the best ones to restore and recalibrate to bring out beauty they are capable of in the right conditions.

[Anonymous No.8496665]

>>8492710
That's silly. It's a critical piece of your /vr/ set-up. A good CRT is worth more than $20. If an anon finds a great set that suits their needs that's been kept in the clean and dry $100 isn't a crazy price.

[Anonymous No.8496707]

>>8496613
i dont really know about electronics that much, and ive tried a few cables afaik
i would use the monitor for my modern PC but the ghosting is just unbearable for fast-paced gaming and renders the high refresh rate pointless imo

[Anonymous No.8497046]

>>8496602
I never used it for that but I remember anons would compliment my Onkyo receiver because it's composite scaler was highly regarded.
Google model name + composite receivers, you'll see people talking about the good ones on /vr/ related forums.

[Anonymous No.8497108]

Are there some good DVD test patterns for PAL? Preferably those that are downlodable for free.

[Anonymous No.8497183]

>>8492710
Retarded advice. As if CRTs are exempt from supply and demand on the 2nd hand market.

[Anonymous No.8497269]

>>8497183
Retarded take. CRTs are listed free on FB and Craigslist all the time.

[Anonymous No.8497346]

>>8495623
Some of the JVC D-Series are 20 inches with component.

[Anonymous No.8497485]

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[Anonymous No.8497493]

[Anonymous No.8497497]

[Anonymous No.8497502]

>>8497485
>>8497487
>>8497493
>>8497497
>those ugly thick scan lines

[Anonymous No.8497503]

[Anonymous No.8497509]

[Anonymous No.8497513]

[Anonymous No.8497515]

[Anonymous No.8497519]

[Anonymous No.8497524]

[Anonymous No.8497525]

>>8497524
Game?

[Anonymous No.8497526]

[Anonymous No.8497528]

>>8497525
soldier blade, PC-Engine/TG-16

[Anonymous No.8497531]

>>8497485
Kek

[Anonymous No.8497534]

[Anonymous No.8497535]

>>8497528
Bitchin’, cheers anon

[Anonymous No.8497537]

>>8497535
NP, amazing game for TG16, childhood favorite of mine. It's on the easy side but doesn't stop it from being fun.

[Anonymous No.8497546]

>>8497537
Nothing wrong with that. I’m bad at Shmups anyways so it’ll be good practice

[Anonymous No.8497553]

just got my first crt yesterday. Its a euro 1994 Phillips 14PT13513/16 I was just playing Tekken 3 and suddenly no video nor sound. It just dissapeared. I dont know anything about electronics. I have unplugged it and let it rest for a while

Do you guys know whats the problem?Is it dead already? It seems its getting Thanks in advance

[Anonymous No.8497558]

[Anonymous No.8497562]

[Anonymous No.8497568]

>>8497553
Not easy to guess like that, I'd recommend finding someone with repair knowledge to look into it. I don't recommend you doing it yourself, unless you have experience.

[Anonymous No.8497571]

[Anonymous No.8497602]

>>8497568
thanks for the reply CRTs are amazing I enjoyed just a few minutes but definitely theres a difference in the experience

[Anonymous No.8497618]

>>8497602
I've been there, got a really nice CRT for nothing, worked for a couple hours and dead
Meanwhile I've gotten other CRTs too that are years old and still work

It's a gamble, but good luck anon

[Anonymous No.8498101]

>>8497269
That implies all CRTs are equal. They are not.
I am willing to pay a little more to get a CRT with the exact features I want, and one which has been stored properly.

Also: I don't want roaches or bed bugs in my house.

[Anonymous No.8498592]

>>8497183
>>8496665
resellers triggered. Where do you think people are finding the CRTs they're flipping to you?

[Anonymous No.8498685]

>>8497269
>CRTs are listed free

80's wood panel Goldstars =/= 2000's era WEGA's w/component

Stop being a cock sucking faggot with blanket statements like that.

[Anonymous No.8498746]

No arcade chads itt? Would love to see some anons big arcade tube.

[Anonymous No.8498837]

>>8498685
That's not a blanket statement. A blanket statement would be "ALL CRTs are listed free." WEGA's do be listed for free all the time. You just have to be willing to get a big one. Pic related. 5 minutes on Facebook.

[Anonymous No.8498845]

>>8498837
Small town USA isn't the whole world.
But I might grab that CRT from that lesbian.

[Anonymous No.8498851]

Does this look like capacitor fluid? I thought it might be but its the same color as the shit on the white plugs, so I assumed its some manufacturer's glue to hold shit in place.
And if it isn't a leaky capacitor, can someone tell me what could be wrong with my component switcher? It's a Pelican Universal System Selector 2.0. I tried two separate AC adapters, but neither will power it on. No display comes on at all. Internally, I don't see any obvious problems besides pic related.

[Anonymous No.8498856]

>>8498851
does it smell like fish/antifreeze? if so its electrolyte fluid

[Anonymous No.8498860]

>>8498845
>Small town USA isn't the whole world.
Correct, which is why >>8498685 is a faggot for thinking that because he can't find local free WEGA's near him, it's true everywhere and for sperging out that some of us still find them.

[Anonymous No.8498870]

>>8498837
>do be

[Anonymous No.8498881]

>>8498860
Sure, but posts like >>8492710
are wrong.

[Anonymous No.8499032]

>>8498851
Nevermind, fixed it.

[Anonymous No.8499095]

>>8493827
I got mine from some Mexicans. Paco and Jose had to help me get it down a flight of steps, was probably the hardest they worked in their entire lives

[Anonymous No.8499114]

>>8498685
Another one for you anon
Comes with a free smoker too

[Anonymous No.8499728]

>>8499114
Picked up a 32 inch D series for free a few weeks ago here in OH from FB marketplace. People just want somebody to help them move the big ones at least and will still give them for next to nothing. Small ones for cheap or free are a little less common

[Anonymous No.8499894]

Thinking of grabbing a KV-20FS100 off of FB Marketplace. I used to own its bigger brother, the 27FS100, years ago, so I know for a fact these things kick ass. They're asking about $20 for it - no one gives CRTs away here where I live, and even lesser brands and models usually go for above that, so it sounds like an ok deal considering.

That said, what I would really like to do with it is hook it up to my PC. Apparently DP to VGA is now all the rage for outputting 240p, but I presume a transcoder would have to be involved to then convert VGA to component?

[Anonymous No.8499976]

Found something interesting.
https://youtu.be/kt-4ppVloVA?t=352
In this video, which is great overall and probably took a staggering amount of time and work, you can see a scanline generator hooked up to a CRT HDTV in action.
The CRT in question is a KV-34XBR800.
The result looks a lot like real 240p. And if you used RetroArch and its shaders instead of a SLG the result could be even better.

[Anonymous No.8499994]

>>8499976
I did this myself a good while back with my KD-30XS955 using RetroArch on the Wii. The Wii doesn't support shaders, but it does do basic filters and overlays, so I just put on a basic scanline overlay on top of a game running at 480p, and it resulted in a VERY authentic 240p-esque image.

[Anonymous No.8499995]

>>8499894
I'm also curious on the best way to convert vga to component. Would like to use my Sega Naomi on my current crt.

[Anonymous No.8500004]

>>8499994
did it darken the screen much?

[Anonymous No.8500009]

>>8500004
That's what blew me away the most, actually - it didn't. By all means it should have, and I fully expected it to, since I tried something similar with my PC CRT and it fully halved the brightness, but for whatever reason, that didn't happen with the HD CRT, at least to nowhere near the same extent.

[Anonymous No.8500058]

>>8499894 use this
>>8492905
and send it 240p over hdmi
>>8499995
you need an rgb to comp transcoder, but you'll need to combine the sync beforehand

[Anonymous No.8500072]

>>8500058
So like a vga to scart sync combiner then a scart RGB to Comp transcoder?

[Anonymous No.8500109]

>>8498837
>Trinatron

How do you misspell something when it's printed on the goddamn object

[Anonymous No.8500179]

>>8500072
Yep.

[Anonymous No.8500326]

>>8495623
On this picture is a toshiba 14AF46C thats 14" has component and svideo i think theres also a 20" model.

[Anonymous No.8500679]

>>8499994
What's the point though? Specially on Wii, stick to 240p native instead of 480p with filter, since you're putting more load on the Wii for no reason.

>>8500009
TVs don't regulate like PC monitors, a TV is much "dumber". If you cut half the lines it draws, the other half gets much brighter. Meanwhile on a average PC monitor, you cut half the lines, the lines that stay will stay at the same brightness. It's not the same like switching between actual 240p or 480p on a PC CRT.

[Anonymous No.8500730]

is there an adapter to connect my pc to this without converters? I have vga and dvi outputs.

[Anonymous No.8500743]

>>8500730
Nope

[Anonymous No.8500972]

>>8500730
Hope you didn’t pay money for that thing, if you did you got duped

[Anonymous No.8501039]

>>8498881
Cry harder
I've found WEGAs, D series, even an XBR for free. The only monitors worth spending money on were VGA CRTs and PVMs, don't go telling everyone to act like a retard just because you did.
You're doing people a favor hauling their old CRTs for free, I'm not paying money to perform manual labor.

[Anonymous No.8501042]

>>8498881
>>8501039
Kek, people still fighting about it, meanwhile I'm picking up several nice monitors and sets every month, for free.

[Anonymous No.8501065]

>>8501042
I'm just sick of seeing this "um ackshually" mentality towards paying for CRTs. Unless that shit is NOS or has been serviced by the previous owner, you shouldn't spend more than a few bucks.
Entertaining resellers is what ruined the retro games market, keep it up and even trash tier CRTs will be a few hundred thanks to these idiots.

[Anonymous No.8501157]

>>8500730
>mono composite
You got fucked man

[Anonymous No.8501174]

>>8500730
Looks like a CCTV CRT

[Anonymous No.8501193]

>>8501157
to be fair most broadcast monitors have shitty sound, at least he has s-video. long as he didn't pay much for it.

[Anonymous No.8501503]

>>8501042
>nice
Doubtful
>>8501065
>Living in 2010, doesn't understand
basic supply and demand...ergo another cock sucking faggot to entertain us with shitposts.

[Anonymous No.8501516]

>>8501503
There's no demand for 90% of CRTs, I'm sorry that you won't become rich by hoarding consumer TVs.

[Anonymous No.8501598]

>>8501503
>Doubtful
What makes a CRT nice to you? 22" 130kHz VGA tubes with barely a few thousand hours on them are pretty nice in my book, also a couple 27 - 38 inch Sony Trinitron sets, black square ones with curved screens at that. I had more options but I was picky and picked out only the ones I liked and wanted.

[Anonymous No.8501832]

>>8483087
i luv ur posts on g and schzo posting ur awesom

[Anonymous No.8501845]

>>8501832
t-thanks bro ..

[Anonymous No.8501850]

>>8501845
lol it was joke u schzo

[Anonymous No.8501865]

>>8501516
>There's no demand for 90% of CRTs

Citation needed; Google hasn't seen this much interest in the subject since 2007. It's only going to go up from here.

[Anonymous No.8501871]

>>8501832
cute yuyu

[Anonymous No.8501873]

>>8501865
CRT's are like cars though, values go down with age and usage, they dont last forever like other retro shit and most people just want them out of their house, only the professional monitors are ever worth anything

[Anonymous No.8501891]

>>8501865
>shows a drop at the end
Ok buddy

[Anonymous No.8501895]

>>8501865
Lol nice shop bro

[Anonymous No.8501897]

>>8501891

[Anonymous No.8501906]

>>8501895
>Lol nice shop bro

I used United States on mine idiot, as if 3rd world is relevant.

[Anonymous No.8501908]

>>8501897
see >>8501895
go be retarded somewhere else

[Anonymous No.8501912]

>>8501906
So you're agreeing that US is full of idiots, meanwhile rest of the world enjoys high end CRTs for free???
Lawl exdee matey, great to know.

[Anonymous No.8501939]

>>8501908
see >>8501906
I prefer countering shitposters like yourself.

[Anonymous No.8501945]

>>8501912
>rest of the world enjoys high end CRTs for free

Rest of the world was too poor to technologically advance to LCD tech in 2006, so they have plenty of CRTs floating around.

[Anonymous No.8501953]

>>8501945
Based, must suck living in the US nowadays then

[Anonymous No.8501954]

>>8501939
u suck at it tho
ironic shitpost is still shitpost, bro

[Anonymous No.8501961]

>>8501906
Kek, it's the same idiot who thought concumer sets are capable of 400 nits "easily" when displaying a full white screen at full brightness.

[Anonymous No.8501970]

>>8501961
that explains it, this place doesn't have many retards that dumb

[Anonymous No.8501974]

>>8501970
Yep. Just ignore them and move on. Keep low quality out of generals.

[Anonymous No.8502047]

>>8501961
btfo

[Anonymous No.8502098]

>>8500679
This was on an HD CRT, which doesn't do 240p natively. If you try to feed it 240p, it line-doubles it, and paradoxically some sets also see it as 480i and try to run it through a deinterlacing process, introducing artifacts. If all you had was such a set, this was your best bet. And the load is negligible, since it's literally just blacking out every other line.

Anyway, I never really played much with it to be honest. I had a regular Sony CRT as well.

[Anonymous No.8502163]

>>8501912
>>8501945
>>8501953
Mootxicofag here. Plenty of CRTs floating around, yes, but since many are actually still in use, people don't throw them out or give them away outright unless they no longer work at all, though at least they go for cheap. Lots of Panasonics and Samsungs for some reason, and not too many Sonys, at least in my area.

[Anonymous No.8502889]

>>8501865
>not knowing about critical race theory being a recent query for CRT

[Anonymous No.8503218]

>>8501865
You dumb cunt. It's being drummed up from searches for critical race theory.

[Anonymous No.8504034]

>>8501157
>>8501193
probably an n-series model. Probably easy to RGB mod. Get rekt.

[Anonymous No.8504082]

are any of the dreamcast light gun games worth a shit?
also, what other MUST PLAY light gun games should i make sure to have in my collection?
i got elemental gearbolt a couple of years ago and absolutely loved it probably more than any other game i've played in the genre

[Anonymous No.8504260]

So I recently picked up a KV-36FS200 for my PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox. Is it worth it to seek out one of the HD Wega CRT sets (KV-36XS955 or a KV-36HS420)? Kind of want one for watching 4:3 anime and progressive scan on games but don't know how much a difference it will make.

[Anonymous No.8504316]

>>8504260
It's hard to say if it's worth it nowadays. On paper, they're the best displays for 480p 6th-gen games and arguably 7th-gen as well. However, you would ideally want to make sure they're reasonably well calibrated, or be able to do so yourself. I had one a while back that I got for cheap back when CRTs were just about done being phased out, one of the better Sony SFP tubes at that, and I was never 100% satisfied with the picture. Always seemed a bit fuzzy and out of focus, at least with 480p. I spent literal hours on the service menu trying to fix it as best as I could, but I never got it looking the way I wished.

If you find one and have the room to spare for it, can get it for dirt cheap, and don't mind looking like a sperg, I would maybe take a Wii or something that outputs 480p and ask if you can hook it up and see if you like how it looks, and go from there.

[Anonymous No.8504731]

>>8501873
yet classic cars are valuable

[Anonymous No.8504743]

>>8504316
>On paper, they're the best displays for 480p 6th-gen games and arguably 7th-gen as well.
For that's I'd go with VGA CRTs already.

[Anonymous No.8504746]

>>8504731
not really, classics are meh, you realize they are 20 - 40 years and no older?
antique cars are expensive though

[Anonymous No.8504750]

>>8504746
I mean right now 80s-90s cars are skyrocketing and boomer mobiles are finally peaking and dropping off.

[Anonymous No.8505042]

>>8500058
Do you own that HDMI converter? Aren't those laggy?

[Anonymous No.8505176]

>>8504316
>don't mind looking like a sperg, I would maybe take a Wii or something that outputs 480p and ask if you can hook it up and see if you like how it looks
Yeah, ALWAYS test the hardware before you buy if possible. Be it a TV, an amp, speakers, whatever.
Personally I'm always taking a PS2, an RGB cable (EU here) and SoulCalibur 2 with me when I go check out a TV. SC2 outputs PAL, NTSC and 480p, so it's ideal for testing various TVs. The cable is sync-on-luma, so if the TV doesn't support RGB on the SCART port I'll get a black and white picture and know it right away.

>>8504746
>not really, classics are meh
Try getting a R32/R33 Skyline and not spending a fortune. Nice 90s cars are expensive as fuck right now. And I'm not even talking about the GT-R.

[Anonymous No.8505228]

>>8504743
Not big enough to satisfy couch play

[Anonymous No.8505274]

Just started watching Clarkson's Farm and look what we have here.

[Anonymous No.8505302]

vros, i need of your wisdom. I realise of these three colored lines at the top of the screen/resolution (red, blue and green).

At first i thought of being an old ass TV it was totally normal, but i was told to quickly fix it or the tv may die without notice.

[Anonymous No.8505310]

>>8505302
also, this greyish horizontal line with some black spots at the bottom keeps me wondering how bad this can be

[Anonymous No.8505410]

>>8504743
Eh, image-wise, yes, they're much superior, but there's the issue that not all 6th-gen games support 480p (especially on the PS2 - that had what, a couple dozen supported titles at most, in a library of thousands?), plus they're much smaller. The biggest PC CRTs were 24" widescreen models, and it wasn't until 7th-gen that widescreen support became universal.

[Anonymous No.8505737]

>>8505302
>>8505310
that's probably non-visual data from the sync lines, it means you need it increase your screen's vertical size so that those go off-screen. Does your tv display the full image? If they top is cut off then those lines probably imply there is something wrong with the deflection

[Anonymous No.8505825]

>>8505737
>Does your tv display the full image?
yeh
But something weird is going on. The bottom issue totally disappeared but not the top lines.
Also, i don't like to play at this full res cause of all in the game seems to be stretched, like a bubble gum

[Anonymous No.8505834]

>>8505410
Can't you use PS2 with GSM and VGA out to force 480p?

[Anonymous No.8505849]

>>8504750
>>8505176
Notice how the actually expensive antique cars are expensive-expensive, even though their owners are born decades after they went out of style already.
Current classic cars, 80's and 90's ones, are sought after only because kids / teens who wanted them once can buy them now, that drives prices up just like CRTs etc.
If the logic holds up, in 40-50 years, we'll have CRTs skyrocket in price for those that still exist.

[Anonymous No.8505874]

>>8505834
You can, but it's very game-dependent. Some games don't take well to it.

[Anonymous No.8505896]

>>8502098
The "simple scanline filter" from a Wii is the most rudimentary option.
With RetroArch and 1080i you should be able to create an image which is even more similar to 240p. It's easy enough to see for yourself by trying it with a PC CRT monitor. Only big difference is the interlacing, which might cause a little bit of combing on fast action.
I think these are really slept on for emulation usage.

[Anonymous No.8505950]

>>8505825
If the image appears to change without any user input (like those RGB lines moving down over time) it is most likely failing capacitors in the deflection circuit.

[Anonymous No.8505976]

>>8505274
He must be a real retrogamer. Based.

[Anonymous No.8506048]

>>8505825
what are you playing on?

[Anonymous No.8506080]

>>8505950
hmm... but these lines don't move or change. Not all. They're there, static. I mean, lines don't blink or anything similar (if this is what you meant)
>>8506048
Tomb Raider 1996 PS1

[Anonymous No.8506120]

>>8506080
Did you notice any convergence problems? Maybe try a test pattern or something.
Now that I think about it, I have a similar issue with my Trinitron when I switch to the 16:9 mode (it squishes the image to make a letterbox with black bars). It's not visible in standard 4:3 (cut off by overscan, but I can force it to appear if I fuck around in the service menu).

[Anonymous No.8506162]

>>8506080
tomb raider might be one of the rare ps1 games that is widescreen. see if you can turn widescreen off in the settings, that might be why your picture looks squished

[Anonymous No.8506470]

>>8506120
>convergence problems
i don't know if this can be of any help, but just the other day bizarre things occurred while playing. The screen color went white-blueish for a couple of seconds, then disappeared. This strange phenomena repeated 3 more times until i paused the game and changed the RCA cable for other one that i have "just in case". Nothing /x/ happened again since then.

>try a test pattern
dude, i wish i have some of that on my Samsung tv but there's nothing like that. All i have is a simple and ugly ass menu with basic options like change the brightness, volume (dual1 dual2, stereo) and a few more options.
>>8506162
there's no option like that on the main menu. "Screen adjust" just let you play with the directional arrows of your remote to set the picture frame but that's all.

WAIT. By default the tv uses this "Normal" res that is fullscreen right? well i just changed it to 16:9 while changing channels and the bottom started shaking vigorously. I've recorded a video but i cant upload it idk why thought

[Anonymous No.8506491]

>>8482227
>>8480284
3rd anon here with the same set, got a major crack in the front right about where its broken off in the image you posted. Great set, need to really get around to fixing some geometry issues I noticed the other day though and hopefully fix up the PSOne I got cheap busted to play some games on it.

[Anonymous No.8506547]

>rgb

[Anonymous No.8508754]

>>8499095
>Guys help you out to do something physical that you're too weak and inexperienced to do
>Still insult them and imply they're lazy because they were born of a different ethnicity from you
Just white people things.

[Anonymous No.8508763]

>>8508754
simmer down pendejo

[Anonymous No.8509676]

>>8508763
The sad thing is, he's not mad; that's you projecting.

[Anonymous No.8509701]

>>8483087
Hey /g/ bro, thanks for the help over the last few days on the crt threads. I just got this FE1250+ from boomerbro. Its in perfect condition. Just some dust and fingerprints, required no adjustments.
Might play some videogames for the first time in years to try it out, if steam ever kicks up on void.

[Anonymous No.8509727]

>>8509701
nice

[Anonymous No.8509728]

>>8509701
No problem. First impressions?

[Anonymous No.8509775]

>>8509728
Its better than LED/LCD for day to day tasks. Makes me think the only reason LED/LCD took off was size and manufacturing expense.
I would like to run it at 1600x1200 @85hz, but my video card can only handle that resolution at 60hz, and that makes it worse for text than 1280x1024 @75, which is my sweetspot right now for all tasks.
Video card can also not handle 1920x1440 at any refresh rate. I will get either a narrow profile video card which can support it for my mini PC, if not an entirely new PC soon enough.
Manufacture date is 2002. Would like to squeeze mkre than decade out of this.

Contrast and brightness I have set at 50%. Rgb at a custom level from previous owner, which looks close to 50/50/50. Previous owner also ram this at like 10% brightness and 70% contrast.

I have the manual, but I would like to find the schematics tech manual for future proofing parts stockpile.

What settings do you run your 1250 at? Maybe you have some superior setup.

[Anonymous No.8509879]

>>8509775
Not to offend but that's because you probably haven't used a good modern display, since all you had was a shitty portable thing and a meh ThinkPad.
Enjoy th CRT though, it's great.

[Anonymous No.8509894]

>>8509775
>but I would like to find the schematics tech manual for future proofing parts stockpile.
https://files.catbox.moe/7b6spy.pdf
Here's the service manual in case you can't find it, I had it downloaded when looking for one for my FE1250. It details how to access the service menu which has a lot more options if you ever want to tinker with it. Has a parts list, but no shematics.
Also I'd like to remind again that the FE1250 and FE1250+ are completely different monitors. Mine was made in 2000.
If anyone ends up here thru search engines or something looking for a FE1250 service manual, get this https://elektrotanya.com/nec_fe950_a_b_r_crt_monitor.pdf/download.html it's not just for FE950 but all in the series. Took me a while to find. ..

>Contrast and brightness I have set at 50%. Rgb at a custom level from previous owner, which looks close to 50/50/50.
>What settings do you run your 1250 at? Maybe you have some superior setup.
Mine isn't directly comparable as my color gains don't let you "overdrive" them, 100 is the default and you lower them for white balance. Different calibration and wear too. But around 25% brigthness with 50-100% contrast, depending on what I do. RGBs at 100-85-60 for ~6500k.
This monitor doesn't have a persistent hour counter, but I estimate it to be around 20k. Certainly been used but still has a long life ahead.

>but my video card can only handle that resolution at 60hz
What's your setup, are you using an adapter? If so, it's probably your adapter limiting you, buy the Delock 62967 or Startech DP2VGAHD20.
I use the default 1200p85hz mode a lot, and if feeling fancy 1440i120hz. For certain video games I use modes like 960i200hz - 200hz appears to be the actual limit of this monitor, the non-plus at least.

[Anonymous No.8509923]

>>8509894
>how to access the service menu which has a lot more options if you ever want to tinker with it.
BUT be careful there, don't touch options like holds, you can lose picture and softbrick your monitor if you don't know what you're doing!!!

[Anonymous No.8509935]

>>8509894
>Here's the service manual in case you can't find it,
I found the service manual for the 1250+ which is how I learned to do some adjustments on it, and reviewed the resolutions before making the jump to purchase it.

>Also I'd like to remind again that the FE1250 and FE1250+ are completely different monitors
Oh, interesting. I actually found the schematics for the FE1250, which I assumed would be somewhat similar to the + model.

>But around 25% brigthness with 50-100% contrast, depending on what I do. RGBs at 100-85-60 for ~6500k.
I've seen those 8500k, 6500k options in the service menu, but im not quite sure what they mean. I'll have to look them up. I used some site with some test images for colors, gradients and such to set it up.

>This monitor doesn't have a persistent hour counter, but I estimate it to be around 20k. Certainly been used but still has a long life ahead.
Mine doesn't seem to have one either. Not sure how to estimate, other than the previous owner telling me it sat for about a decade in a home office mac, unplugged.

>What's your setup, are you using an adapter? If so, it's probably your adapter limiting you, buy the Delock 62967 or Startech DP2VGAHD20.
I will look that up, at the moment its just plugged into VGA on my thinkcentre.

[Anonymous No.8509936]

I did some color calibration on my tv using the snes 240p test suite and played a few games and they all looked great, but when I switched to my n64 it looked like ass. Do I just have to figure out settings for every console I own if I want accurate colors?

[Anonymous No.8509959]

>>8509894
>What's your setup, are you using an adapter? If so, it's probably your adapter limiting you, buy the Delock 62967 or Startech DP2VGAHD20.
Okay, pic related is my system specs. I guess I do need that display port adapter.

[Anonymous No.8510132]

>>8509935
>Oh, interesting. I actually found the schematics for the FE1250, which I assumed would be somewhat similar to the + model.
Just the chassis design tells an interesting tale, the FE1250+ looks exactly like the Mitsubishi 2060u but with different buttons, while the OG FE1250 used a design unique to NEC. Later on NEC didn't even bother changing buttons, they're literally just repainted Mitsubishis.
I think the awesome menus were NECs contribution tho, Mitsubishi monitors didn't get them until that 2060u generation. Convergence patterns in OSD, how cool is that!? In year 2000 no less!!

>>8509959
Yea that explains it, mobo VGA these days uses cheapo internal adapters instead of proper ramdacs. My laptop literally lists its VGA port as a DisplayPort one.

[Anonymous No.8510157]

>>8510132
>2060u generation
Actually I lied, it seems Mitsubishi got them only with the 2070sb https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x_33WDnU7Lg though the 2040u ones seem to function quite similiarly

[Anonymous No.8510189]

>>8510132
>Convergence patterns in OSD, how cool is that!? In year 2000 no less!!
Haven't seen that yet, I'll have to mess with that too. I'll just wait for sunday for the adapter to get here and I can get a 1200p resolution up, then I'll actually put in effort into perfect settings. Right now I got the fit right, went to 6500k and it looks much better than the old settings too. The monitor is flat, but there is a slight curvature to the picture that I'll have to adjust as well. But just like the height/width left/right, if I do it now I'll have to do it again once I get the adapter, so better to just wait.
I can get a much clearer picture with 6500k at a lower brightness, which I think is good for the monitor.... You can tell this thing was very expensive in its day, makes me a bit anxious to take good care of it.

[Anonymous No.8510787]

here's an old pic. sold the ones on the floor over the summer.
>>8509701
was this the one that was on fb marketplace for 300 burgers the past 4 weeks?

[Anonymous No.8511484]

>>8509959
>>8510132
You sure Intel works? Everyone on /g/ says only for Windows.

[Anonymous No.8511597]

>>8510787
>was this the one that was on fb marketplace for 300 burgers the past 4 weeks?
Yes it was. A bit of a drive.
>>8511484
It looks like a hardware level adapter, I don't think running Linux should affect it.

[Anonymous No.8511641]

>>8511597
>300 burgers
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/85135197/#q85140761
Same anon right? You didn't pay that much right?
There was an anon who spent $300 on a Syncmaster 753s so you're doing good either way :D

>>8511484
What exactly do you mean? Limits of the internal adapter aren't affected by OS and my adapters work just fine on anything.

>>8510189
> You can tell this thing was very expensive in its day, makes me a bit anxious to take good care of it.
Oh yea I felt little bad using mine at all at first. These are some really awesome monitors even if just FE series.

>>8509935
>I've seen those 8500k, 6500k options in the service menu, but im not quite sure what they mean.
It's what color your whites are supposed to be, in color temperature. These monitors have factory-calibrated presets but with usage they'll drift out of calibration. My NEC looks around 1000k colder than what the presets claim, so running custom is necessary if I want it to match my other monitors. I really need a good colorimeter tho ..

>>8510787
30 kilo Trinitrons sitting on a shallow piece of IKEA cardboad ... This picture gives me anxiety

[Anonymous No.8511913]

>>8511641
>You didn't pay that much right?
I did out of desperation. My previous screen was a 13" 1080p portable monitor, and my replacement was a 1440x900 lcd that was blurry with dead pixels, refurbished for $60 (returning it today via mail), so $300 for a CRT capable of 1200p seemed like an easy buy.

>These monitors have factory-calibrated presets but with usage they'll drift out of calibration. My NEC looks around 1000k colder than what the presets claim, so running custom is necessary if I want it to match my other monitors. I really need a good colorimeter tho ..
Interesting. I have it at rgb 6500k now and it looks good, but too bright on white pages. 6500k preset also won't let me adjust brightness/contrast, so I'll have to set it to the 100r/85g/60b which is kinda close but not exactly the same as 6500k, but at least I can get brightness lowered for it.

Haven't cleaned the interior or dust, but it doesn't look dusty as I've peeked around with a flashlight.
My desk is also an ikea table btw, but its solid pine. Used to be my kitchen table until I moved and I got a large dining room set.

Pic is what my monitor used to be. Didn't have the 19" LCD long enough to take a picture of it.

>>8511641
>Oh yea I felt little bad using mine at all at first.
Not only in using it, but knowing that when it eventually burns out, it will likely be impossible to find anything to replace it or repair it.

[Anonymous No.8511921]

>>8509775
>Its better than LED/LCD for day to day tasks. Makes me think the only reason LED/LCD took off was size and manufacturing expense.
>>8511913
>My previous screen was a 13" 1080p portable monitor, and my replacement was a 1440x900 lcd that was blurry with dead pixels, refurbished for $60 (returning it today via mail)

[Anonymous No.8511925]

>>8511913
>Not only in using it, but knowing that when it eventually burns out, it will likely be impossible to find anything to replace it or repair it.
Get several as backup, won't feel so bad then.

>>8511641
>that shitty VGA cable
Temporary, right? RIGHT?

[Anonymous No.8511935]

>>8511641
>having to take off the back to access the header

[Anonymous No.8511949]

>>8511913
>>8509701
Did you really just spend $300 on a CRT to use it as a primary display and not even necessarily for gaming? I don't mean to be rude but that's a waste of money and the tube itself, you're going to put a lot of unnecessary wear using it as a daily driver.
Is this some kind of new /g/ meme advocating for CRTs for normal daily use?

[Anonymous No.8511953]

what would you do in this guy's situation?

[Anonymous No.8511954]

>>8511949
>Is this some kind of new /g/ meme advocating for CRTs for normal daily use?
Probably, I've seen a lot of /g/ influx recently. Unlike /g/ we know what CRTs are good for, anon would probably have a much better experience for daily use with a modern monitor, that CRT not being used for gaming and just daily use is just sad.

[Anonymous No.8511958]

>>8511953
>what would you do in this guy's situation?
>100Hz
I'd drop it, not worth the bad latency and fucked geometry.
Didn't even read to the end when I saw that.

[Anonymous No.8511960]

>>8511949
>I don't mean to be rude but that's a waste of money and the tube itself, you're going to put a lot of unnecessary wear using it as a daily driver
he surely didnt buy it to keep staring at it on a shelf or to be stored away in a dungeon forever
CRTs, and electronics in general, are meant to be used

[Anonymous No.8511962]

>>8511953
Falling for reddit memes, they deserve it, unironically. If you're a zoomer and don't know your shit, do research.
There's nothing they can do.

[Anonymous No.8511965]

>>8511954
>anon would probably have a much better experience for daily use with a modern monitor
Without a doubt. I love CRTs but I cringe at the thought of using any of them to do work. Hopefully this dude is rich and can afford a proper display but I feel like that's not the case.
>>8511960
Yes but there's zero reason to waste a precious CRT's life looking at text. Might as well throw on the local news and let it burn in.

[Anonymous No.8511967]

>>8511960
Yeah, for gaming. Did you miss that part? They don't play games.

>inb4 daily usage
Just doesn't make sense in any way, unless they do professional graphics on a budget.

[Anonymous No.8511970]

>gigachad posting on /vr/
Are we being overrun by /g/ shitposters?

[Anonymous No.8511976]

>>8511970
>sudden low effort posts with little knowledge or facts behind them
smells like /g/

[Anonymous No.8511985]

>>8511925
>Temporary, right? RIGHT?
Bought this short and girthy one later on - made LITERALLY ZERO DIFFERENCE
Cables are snakeoil, anything made in the last 10 years that has chokes on it will be good even for the GDM-F520.
Don't get me wrong there's utter dogshit cables like a HAMA branded I have, but these regular blue-black ones are good - if they're modern ones anyway. I got these bundled with LCDs I've bought in 2017-18.

>>8511913
>Not only in using it, but knowing that when it eventually burns out, it will likely be impossible to find anything to replace it or repair it.
Keep looking for CRT monitors, you'll undoubtedly find more and even better ones with time. It took me a while to find my first >20", but now I have more of them than I knew what to do with. It's so bad I'm not even buying a 5€ P1130 that's right next to me!!

>>8511949
>>8511954
>>8511965
>Is this some kind of new /g/ meme advocating for CRTs for normal daily use?
No, there were several anons, including me telling him even a new 100€ IPS will be "better" daily use, but he really wanted a CRT anyway!

I'd honestly would daily my CRTs too if I werent worried about wear, they're really nice monitors.

>>8511970
>>8511976
Sorry I knew you wouldn't like me here lmao!

[Anonymous No.8512004]

>>8511985
>Bought this short and girthy one later on - made LITERALLY ZERO DIFFERENCE
>Cables are snakeoil, anything made in the last 10 years that has chokes on it will be good even for the GDM-F520.
>Don't get me wrong there's utter dogshit cables like a HAMA branded I have, but these regular blue-black ones are good - if they're modern ones anyway. I got these bundled with LCDs I've bought in 2017-18.
Don't really agree, at high bandwidth there's obvious ghosting on static objects with cheaper cables. You mostly need the right impedance and shielding.
Don't think it's snakeoil either when they cost the same, literally 10 cents from a cables bin in any thrift store.

[Anonymous No.8512012]

>>8511985
>Sorry I knew you wouldn't like me here lmao!
Just don't post gigachads with dumb posts making no sense and it will be fine

[Anonymous No.8512017]

i have a BVMD20F1U, a JVC DT-V1710CG (new old stock, only 20 hours on it), and a PVM 20L5, all this talk about how expensive crts are made me look at the prices for these.

Apparently I'm sitting on 15K in RGB monitors, all shit I paid $200 each for. what the fuck happened?

[Anonymous No.8512021]

>>8512017
So anon, you see when supply is down, and demand goes up, so does value.

[Anonymous No.8512027]

>>8512021
No shit retard, but a 1000%+ increase in just 8 years? I bought these all in 2013~2014, price increase is normal, but not even old games appreciate this fast

[Anonymous No.8512047]

>>8512004
If you have such issues, then maybe try new cables, but if the picture looks good no need to fall for audiophile-tier fud.
And even if you have issues it's not necessarily the cables - the monitor itself can have problems like my F520 >>8487323.
>literally 10 cents from a cables bin in any thrift store.
Okay fair if you can actually find one, I actually looked around here and didn't find a single cable that looked good. Visited the biggest recycling centre / thrift store in the country and even they didn't got anything except a 10 meter long metal gigachad cable in a glass display case.
I have 5 of these random VGA cables and only 1 of them was bad.

>>8512012
Is fumoposting ok?

[Anonymous No.8512153]

>>8512027
So again anon, when demand goes up

[Anonymous No.8512156]

>>8512047
>Is fumoposting ok?
...Yes.

[Anonymous No.8512162]

>>8511949
I enjoy playing Guilty Gear/BlazBlue/meltyblood. I will use it for gaming. I also will use it for 4chan and studying.
The picture quality looks better than the LCDs at work, and an IPS at nice resolutions would be over 300usd as it is.
Not poor, ergo hhkb and dropping 300 for funsies. I don't like buying new things, all of my computer parts are used/refurbished, seems cooler that way.

[Anonymous No.8512254]

>>8512017
the constant shilling by retro influencers saying they're the best of the best caught the attention of collectors with more money than brains

[Anonymous No.8512290]

>>8511949

[Anonymous No.8512338]

what's a decent CRT sold in europe that had 60hz? and is there any way to make a 50hz one run in 60hz?

I can find a bunch of trinitrons for relatively cheap but they're all either 50hz or the poster just posts blurry shots of the specifications/no tv code and I can't tell (likely intentional, got this a lot with fake wii u controllers)

[Anonymous No.8512359]

>>8505042
it's not laggy because there's no scaling involved, at most there's 1 frame

[Anonymous No.8512420]

>>8512338
All CRTs that support SCART RGB run also at 60Hz, which is majority.
Most of those also support PAL60 and NTSC too though, not just 60Hz over RGB.

Are you confusing the 50Hz with the power sticker saying 230V 50Hz on the back?

[Anonymous No.8512597]

>>8509894
Where the fuck did you find the 1250? Ebay shows nothing.

[Anonymous No.8512609]

>>8512597
>Ebay
There's your problem.

[Anonymous No.8512642]

>>8512609
where else are you supposed to get this shit? i guarantee no one has a fe1250 locally lol

[Anonymous No.8512672]

>>8512642
Locally is the only way to find these things. If you go on ebay it will be sniped instantly, and at a premium as bidders from all over the world fight over it.

[Anonymous No.8512673]

>>8512597
Step 1: Move to Europe
Step 2: Open any website
Step 3: ...?
Step 4: Profit

Case in point, here's a mislabeled 130khz HP P1130 currently being bid for just 6€ https://www.huuto.net/kohteet/19-crt-monitori/555895299

>>8512642
You do not look for a specific model, especially one like this thats bit rarer due to its age. It's not even that good of a CRT, the specs are rather mediocre even in its family - The NEC FP1370 for example is 130khz instead of 110khz. See what's available locally and filter out the trash.

>>8512156
That's a bootleg Reimu she would have killed you first otherwise

[Anonymous No.8512676]

>>8512420
>Are you confusing the 50Hz with the power sticker saying 230V 50Hz on the back?
probably, I'm 'tarded when it comes to retro stuff, I'll probably just shop around and ask here if the model is good (mostly just want one for ps2)

[Anonymous No.8512683]

>>8512642
Wait until somebody finally does or pay meme prices that's pretty much the deal. Keep checking, check all the platforms for that stuff you can although FB marketplace has the majority of listings these days and if you are out of town and have the freedom check when you are there too

[Anonymous No.8512802]

>>8506470
auto bump. Please help.

[Anonymous No.8512827]

>keep checking
>instead of just putting up your own ad's and cherry picking the best offers
Unironically have no idea how people are this dull when it comes to this.

[Anonymous No.8512880]

>>8512162
A nice IPS is about what you paid for that. I'd just pickup one or two and call it a day for normal use and only use the CRT for media. Seriously foolish to use a CRT for casual internet browsing or reading.

[Anonymous No.8512987]

>>8504260
I have a HD CRT I used for 480p content. I've since moved to a Retrotink and my OLED for that content. With as good as modern TVs are and how smooth a 480p game looks, I don't think the HD CRT is worth it for it. That's just me though, remeber you don't get scanlines with 480p

[Anonymous No.8513017]

>>8512880
Looks good to me. Crazy how fast the monitor goes from off to full vibrant colors. When I was a kid, I remember it taking at least ten minutes for the colors to come up to full brightness. I guess fancy CRTs just get to full color in under 30.

Just tested this on a shitty web version, but I will have to get my younger brother to mail me the PS3 and all these fighters I had.

[Anonymous No.8513041]

>>8513017
>Just tested this on a shitty web version, but I will have to get my younger brother to mail me the PS3 and all these fighters I had.

[Anonymous No.8513059]

>>8513041
haven't played vidya in a while.
I bought all the old ps1 and ps2 games on the online store and downloaded them, along with some purchased.
But yeah, I don't have any game systems or games installed on my PC to look at old pixel based games, so I just googled "street fighter online" to see if its actually any smoother like you guys say. Idk, can't really tell the difference. The post was really about how I just got home, turned it on and googled "street fighter online" and the colors are already bright, which is contrary to memory.

[Anonymous No.8513098]

>>8513059
No worries, it's cool. Just hurts my eyes to see that scaling and filtering.

[Anonymous No.8513118]

Was doing a little research about joysticks and noticed the monitor that shipped in Capcom Q Grand Am 25 cabinets was a 15/24 khz Nanao monitor.
This is interesting because CPS2 games are 15khz only. But the monitor in the cabinet is designed to resolve 24 khz detail. That means it will have a sharp, delineated image at 15 khz.
This is the Dodonpachi test screen displayed one such monitor after a cap kit had been done. This was done by a member of arcade-projects.com. To me it looks like my expectation is correct.
This is a monitor from 1993.

[Anonymous No.8513124]

>>8513118
Does it actually help with sharpness? Isn't pitch and TVL more important in the tube itself? Since circuitry to support 24kHz itself doesn't change much for quality at 15kHz.
Or did you mean that the tube itself is higher quality than most 15kHz since it support sharper 24kHz modes?

[Anonymous No.8513128]

>>8513118
>This is a monitor from 1993.
I have CRT monitors from the mid and late 80's that look absolutely stunning still.

[Anonymous No.8513157]

>>8513124
>Isn't pitch and TVL more important in the tube itself? Since circuitry to support 24kHz itself doesn't change much for quality at 15kHz.
>Or did you mean that the tube itself is higher quality than most 15kHz since it support sharper 24kHz modes?
This is assuming the tube is matched to the circuity to allow the full 24khz detail to come out.
It's possible it is only compatible with 25 khz and doesn't resolve the detail fully, but from looking at photos of games on the tube in action I don't think that is the case. I think it is a fairly high TVL.

[Anonymous No.8513163]

>>8513157
That's what I was thinking. Just like many cheaper 24 and 31 kHz monitors cheaped out with slightly above average 15kHz tubes.

[Anonymous No.8513189]

How do you think he would react if you bought his best on sale monitors, only to smash them in front of him?

[Anonymous No.8513256]

r8 my ffmpeg script to convert modern anime for watching on a PS2, /crt/

>-vf "scale=704:-1, pad=704:480:(ow-iw)/2:(oh-ih)/2, setdar=4/3, setsar=10/11, telecine=t:2332, colormatrix=bt709:bt601" -c:v libxvid -b:v 5.5M -c:a libmp3lame -q:a 0

[Anonymous No.8513276]

>>8513256
does a one liner count as a script? It's a command desu

[Anonymous No.8513281]

>>8513276
That's what I meant, don't bully

[Anonymous No.8513297]

>>8513157
Thinking this over a little more...

This would assume a 24 khz monitor needs a finer dot pitch to display all of the detail in a 24 khz resolution.
But it might not.
After all, 24 khz (also known as medium res) is still only something like 496x384 (it can vary).
Standard Definition television tubes are designed to display 480i content. So perhaps there's not really any difference in dot pitch necessary to display 24 khz games? Just extra circuitry.

Nanao used Toshiba tubes. Perhaps it is possible one could track down a television with the same or similar tube and RGB mod it.

[Anonymous No.8513659]

I have a really big 32" RCA ColorTrak Plus CRT and a small Sharp CRT (Maybe 12"?) and the big one looks so much blurrier than the small one. Is it really supposed to look that bad or is there something wrong with it that I can fix? The small one looks great, just as I remember them.

[Anonymous No.8513674]

>>8513659
You are too close I think. They take view distance into account when designing TVs, which is why 40" or so 1080p TV looks fine at a distance, but would look bad at PC user distance. Idk what this system is called.

[Anonymous No.8513681]

>>8513659
Photos are needed.
It's possible the big one has lost a little focus from being moved around.
But it's probably just the distance.

[Anonymous No.8513696]

>>8513681
Would that be fixable if that was the issue? I went through all the little menu items like Sharpness, Brightness, etc. but it didn't help.

[Anonymous No.8513701]

>>8513674
I guess maybe they are meant for huge living rooms or something? It's bed room and I'm sitting all the way back but it still looks bad.

[Anonymous No.8513772]

>>8513696
>Would that be fixable if that was the issue?
Yes, there's an adjustment pot on the back of the CRT that you would tweak. It would take only a minute but you would need to take the back case off first and be careful around the electronics.

[Anonymous No.8514132]

>>8513256
Does this work with any video?

[Anonymous No.8514137]

>>8513256
Yes, but I was playing around with it more and you shouldn't use those settings. PS2 outputs to a 640x448 viewport in SMS, so you should resize to 640 instead of 704. Also move the telecine option to the front or else the interlacing won't work right.

[Anonymous No.8514143]

>>8513256
Are you using Simple Media System?

[Anonymous No.8514150]

>>8514143
Yes. The settings I'm trying out now are:

>-vf "telecine=t:2332, scale=640:352, pad=640:448:(ow-iw)/2:(oh-ih)/2, setdar=4/3, setsar=10/11, colormatrix=bt709:bt601" -c:v libxvid -b:v 5.5M -c:a libmp3lame -q:a 0

Seems to work pretty well. You could probably increase the bitrate of the video if you're using SMB share or an HDD, this is for running off a USB stick.

[Anonymous No.8514184]

>>8514150
Do you have a download for SMS? PS2 home seems to be down

[Anonymous No.8514186]

>>8514184
I don't remember where I got it to be honest, sorry Anon

[Anonymous No.8514818]

>>8514184
you can get it from psx-place, github, all kinds of places
https://www.psx-place.com/resources/sms-simple-media-system-2-9-rev-4.374/

[Anonymous No.8515583]

What kind of settings should I use to maximize visuals? Vsync off? Setting up melty blood right now. What resolutions are ideal? Im locked to 1400x1050 until the adapter gets to me on Sunday.

[Anonymous No.8515589]

>>8515583
V-Sync off will tear, since you're using a fixed refresh display. Always keep it on or use Adaptive sync if your GPU driver has the option.
Always run the game at native resolution and refresh if possible, sometimes you have to line double though, unless you want to use BFI.

[Anonymous No.8515601]

>>8515583
480p or 800x600 looks good on all VGA CRTs and you'll get some very slight scanlines. Like the other anon said, use vsync, if you're using retroarch or something for emulation you can also use runahead to reduce lag.

[Anonymous No.8515742]

>>8515589
ok, enabled v-sync and its now running at 75fps. not quite sure if thats the standard for meltyblood, but it looks much better with it on.
I do not have adaptive sync, my gpu is just integrated HD graphics for an i5.
Having a hard time finding the native refresh for it though. Not quite sure if meltyblood is THAT retro, its a 2007 game.
I could buy third strike on steam while I wait for my brother to ship me my old system and hori RAP3 stick.
Very pleasant to look at a CRT for games.

[Anonymous No.8515810]

How is my grandmas giant wooden cased CRT TV from the 60s still running, but according to you nerds here and on reddit, our modern CRT's will day any day now unless we only use them to play super mario in a dark room only during blood moons?

[Anonymous No.8515887]

>>8515810
Nobody says that nigger

[Anonymous No.8515905]

>>8515887
I have frequently read that a 30k hour limit is standard for consumer grade CRT lifespan, and 60k for PVMs. I am sure my gran gran's fox news box has far more hours on it than that, while utilizing far inferior tech.

[Anonymous No.8515930]

>>8515905
hand wired chassis instead of PCBs, simpler, probably has been repaired in the past and was designed to be

[Anonymous No.8516052]

>>8500730
You need some kind of transcoder. There aren't many options + not cheap.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174578156353

[Anonymous No.8517060]

>>8501157
It has s-video. It's probably an excellent monitor.

[Anonymous No.8517078]

>>8500730
You need a way to output 15 khz video (aka 240p) from your PC, then a transcoder box.
It's worth doing if the monitor has a good picture.

[Anonymous No.8517080]

>>8515583
Turn those filters off, for one

[Anonymous No.8517273]

>>8517060
PVMs notoriously have little to no comb filters, making composite and, to a lesser extent s-video, much worse than on a consumer set

[Anonymous No.8517385]

>>8517273
That is a matter of personal taste.

[Anonymous No.8517450]

>>8517385
comb filters are universally better

[Anonymous No.8518627]

How come nvidia propietary drivers are so shit in linux? I cant find the option to create custom resolutions on the 2004-looking linux driver, and of course, being on linux i cant just open up Custom Resolution Utility and quickly make a bunch of resolutions based on the specs of my monitor.

Can i somehow tell the nvidia driver what my monitor specs are so it can make the resolutions based on that? its 30 - 96 kHz and 48 - 120 Hz vertically

[Anonymous No.8518628]

>>8518627
You use the terminal.

[Anonymous No.8518634]

>>8518628
thanks for the non-answer, i did google around and try to use xrandr, but since the nvidia drivers do not know the full monitor specs it will just tell me the resolution is "out of range" and wont even let me test it.
Also nvidia drivers use the deprecated xorg.conf file so its even more edious than regular linux custom resolution set up through xrandr

[Anonymous No.8518648]

>>8518627
>>8518628
related.
This is why xrandr won't cut it when using nvidia drivers. And editing xorg.conf risks really fucking over the monitor settings and xserver not starting altogether, so thats why im asking for support here if any of you have experience with nvidia fuckery on linux

[Anonymous No.8518652]

>>8518627
Use Windows? Nvidia in general is fucked up for desktop use in Linux, either that or get a AMD card.

[Anonymous No.8518656]

>>8518648
>And editing xorg.conf risks really fucking over the monitor settings and xserver not starting altogether
Then revert the changes from CLI and try again

[Anonymous No.8518667]

>>8517450
they destroy 2d sprites and elements

[Anonymous No.8518679]

>>8518667
>your retro game is supposed to look like it's pixels bro

[Anonymous No.8518767]

>>8518679
but its pixels eitherway

[Anonymous No.8518783]

>>8518767
only until the DAC of the console

[Anonymous No.8519586]

>>8518679
No, but comb filters smear too much beyond what the CRT already does to blend pixels.

[Anonymous No.8519672]

Profeel kx-2501a

[Anonymous No.8519746]

>>8519672
>that profeel when no CRT

[Anonymous No.8520156]

>>8515930
It’s it’s from the 60s it probably has a primitive pcb, though definitely no connectors and a complete mess of wires and a pain in the ass to disassemble.

[Anonymous No.8520339]

Sorry if this comes off as a fucking retarded question but I'm looking to get a CRT in my bedroom (My bedroom is pretty small and my bed takes up half my room with my computer, desk and two monitors taking up the other half of the room), what size would you recommend? I was looking at 14" CRTs but I'm not really sure if I have the room for a crt or not. I really fucking want one though for my N64 and SNES.

[Anonymous No.8520369]

>>8520339
Measure what space you have, look up dimensions of a CRT and you will have your answer

[Anonymous No.8520906]

Thought that this looked good.

[Anonymous No.8521967]

>>8520339
my 14" takes up about 1.2 nintendo 64's (length wise) by 1.2 nintendo 64's (length wise)

[Anonymous No.8521970]

>>8519586
Those high TVL and low pitch CRTs don't blend anything.
This shitty meme picture gets posted a lot but it's still true.

[Anonymous No.8522660]

I think my PC CRT just died. While playing BG2 it suddenly turned very bright, then fucked the image size, then black and started smelling funny and doing a weird noise.
I can consider it dead for good, right?

[Anonymous No.8522693]

>>8522660
Maybe. Something in it is dead but as long as you didn't leave it running or it didn't collapse into a line/dot for long it might be repairable

[Anonymous No.8522784]

Y'all are retarded. Crt hunting is really easy.

[Anonymous No.8522810]

>>8522784
call hospitals, universities and tv stations, see if they have any they're getting rid of

[Anonymous No.8522865]

>>8521970
Both those images are blending a little bit.

[Anonymous No.8523163]

>>8520906
I love Vietcong on the PC, but wasn't the console port utter shit? The game even has to beg you to press start to begin.

[Anonymous No.8523271]

[Anonymous No.8524219]

Picked up two free CRTS recently. Trying to decide which of the two to keep.

First one is a Sony KV-35V65: 2 s-video inputs, 3 composite, 29" screen, about 230lbs. Pristine, came out of a very nice house in a really nice neighborhood and seems to have been barely used. Movers did not want to take it so PO listed it to whoever would take it. Brought a dolley and a ratchet strap and hauled it down the stairs.

[Anonymous No.8524225]

>>8524219

[Anonymous No.8524252]

>>8524225
Not sure what model the 2nd one is cause the sticker is worn off. Maybe you guys can help. It's ~29" screen, 1 component, 2 s-video outputs, doesn't support 480p.

[Anonymous No.8524254]

>>8524252

[Anonymous No.8524296]

>>8524252
Very likely one of the KV-32FV series.

[Anonymous No.8524308]

>>8477842
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast)
Is this still true? GameCube and other 6th gen systems should be retro by now and also the GBA is basically just a portable SNES.

[Anonymous No.8524356]

Toshiba 27AF43, just fixed the geometry as best as I could, need a yolk adjustment and these Toshibas have a wicked red push that need adjusting. I’m pleased with where it is now, compared to the old Trinitron I had before it, which needed a lot more work.

JVC 5 input selector with 2 component (Genesis, PS2), SVideo (N64, SNES, GC), Composite (Xbox, NES).

Got a Dreamcast on my work bench with a chink OBE, gonna order one for the GC eventually.

[Anonymous No.8524357]

Almost

[Anonymous No.8524358]

>>8524356
Just missing the framed portrait of Iwata.

[Anonymous No.8524376]

>>8524358
Lmao aware

[Anonymous No.8525518]

>>8524219
nice looking unit

[Anonymous No.8525754]

Finally getting around to testing this Dell office PC I bought for my Win XP/Win 10 dual boot build. The 400PS I got new for Christmas in 2000, Used for about 5 years then replaced for a god awful LCD monitor. The case got beat up and sun damaged over the years but the picture is still sharp. Also my childhood Model M that I nabbed from my grade schools computer lab in like 97 feels like an old friend.

Planning to stuff a GTX960 and whatever sound card that plays nice with XP and 10 that supports EAX and what not natively.

[Anonymous No.8525858]

>>8524296
>>8525518
I am a noob and just realized that I measured the CRTs horizontally instead of diagonally. The first one is a 35" and the flatscreen one is a 36". Is it possible to find the model number in the menu for the TV? I don't really have room for both of these since they're 200+lbs a piece so I'd like to pick the one worth keeping long term. I've noticed the flatscreen has some strange horizontal bands that move vertically down the screen. Very noticeable on solid colors. Haven't tested it with other inputs yet so I'm not sure if it's just the component channel. Will report back in a bit. Lmk if any of y'all knwo what model this is.

[Anonymous No.8526113]

>>8525858
Probably retrace lines, which means you need to fiddle with the brightness and voltages inside, i.e. screen and sub-brt

[Anonymous No.8526690]

This is what the average CRT user looks like

[Anonymous No.8526903]

>>8526113
looks like there is a way bigger issue, composite doesn't work on any of the 3 inputs. s-video works fine and so does component, if I can figure out the model I can get a service manual and repair it I think.

[Anonymous No.8526971]

>>8526903
I'm not totally sure why but the curved trinitron seems to a higher line count than the flatscreen? It looks a little odd but I'm not sure if it's because of the component vs composite.

[Anonymous No.8527106]

>>8526971
Bad focus or convergence or even bloom will blend the scanlions together and make it look less sharp

[Anonymous No.8527729]

>>8526971
Well it's obvious the picture is shifted down a bit on the left, just look at the top, there's some empty space visible. It cuts off some lines on the bottom, you should be able to correct the picture position and geometry in the service menu.

[Anonymous No.8527882]

Is this a tilt problem or something else? The left/right seem more bowed than anything, and the bottom and angle for the top/bottom don't seem to match

[Anonymous No.8528037]

>>8525754
Based basement dweller

[Anonymous No.8528101]

>>8524219
>>8525858
>>8526971
>Sony KV-35V6

Good find. I believe my parents have almost this exact same model (KV-35V35) and they still use it daily. It's a bit older than what most people around here seem to have (early-mid 1990s), and unfortunately with several hours of daily use for ~27 years it's a little past its prime. The tube is dimming and it has geometry/colour issues that I just cannot fix (one of which is a permanent curve in the picture, similar to your flat screen Trinitron). But in its prime, and even up until a couple years ago, it was so fucking good. It had gorgeous picture and tons of inputs. I believe that it was a very high-end set when it was released, it cost something like $3,000-$3,500 Canadiabux in 1995 (about $4,900-$5,700 in 2021 dollars), and was just one slot below the XBR, which was Sony's top-range model.

I have a KV-27S42 which is pretty good but decidedly more middle class compared to the KV-35V35. Unfortunately, because my parents' 35" is so worn out, it just makes more sense for me to keep the smaller one. Consider yourself lucky that you have both the big tube and the good picture.

Out of curiosity, what city are you in?

[Anonymous No.8528202]

>>8528101
outskirts of pittsburgh