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The fact that so many publications still name Ocarina of Time as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" adventure game ever only tells you how far video games are from becoming a serious art. RPG fans have long recognized that the greatest role-playing games of all time are Planescape: Torment and SaGa Frontier, which were not the most famous or grandest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Shmup fans rank the highly controversial Ikaruga over classical shooters which were highly popular in arcades around Japan. So-called "retro gamers," instead, are still blinded by commercial success. Ocarina of Time sold more than anyone else (not true; by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. RPG fans grow up playing a lot of role-playing games of the past. Shmup fans grow up playing and replaying a lot of shooters of the past. "Retro gamers" are often totally ignorant of the games of the past, they barely know the best sellers.

In a sense, Zelda is emblematic of the status of video game criticism as a whole: too much attention paid to linear spectacle and too little to the merits of mechanically-deep systems of real video games. If somebody programs the most divine video game but no major publisher picks him up and sells him around the world, most "retro gamers" will ignore him. If a major publisher picks up a developer whose output is as generic as can be but launches it worldwide, your average "retro gamer" will waste thousands of hours on it. This is the sad status of video game discourse: Retro gamers are basically publicists operating as jannies for the big publishers, websites, and storefronts. They simply highlight what product the games industry wants to make money from.

Hopefully, one not-too-distant day, there will be a clear demarcation between a great video game, like Mischief Makers, which never sold much, and commercial products like Ocarina of Time.

>> No.8473041

>>8473028
Happy new year, cuck

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>>8473028
>greatest role-playing games of all time are Planescape: Torment and SaGa Frontier

>> No.8473090

>>8473081
This. Stopped reading there. Pretty sure he wrote everything to cover up this as the true intent and fish for agrees.

>> No.8473104

>>8473081
>>8473090

It's the "Beatles are not art" rant from a long time ago, but changed for OoT

>> No.8473110

>>8473081
I don't agree with him, but he has better taste than 90% of the gaming community

>> No.8473120

I’m cisgendered but I still love Ocarina of Time

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8473137

>ninpedos

>> No.8473181

I didn't read anything in this thread really but I saw Mischief Makers. So...with that..."Shake, shake!"

>> No.8473536

miyamoto made games for the love of it. When he hung up the pencil it all got bad from there!

>> No.8473543

>>8473536
What, you don't like New Fischer Price Bros.?

>> No.8473648

>>8473028
tldr assumed shit-bait post.
Kys and happy new year you faggot.

>> No.8473679

>>8473137
Too thin. OOT Link was a fucking muscle shota and femboi fags need to stick to BOTW.

>> No.8473685

Does /mu/ unironically think that Scaruffi is a reliable critic in any way whatsoever or do they treat him like the meme he is?
I remember that in Italian music communities he was already an inside joke over 10 years ago.

>> No.8473739

>>8473137
Now that is hot. Patrician taste.

>> No.8473937

PC port, when?

>> No.8475360

>>8473028
>only tells you how far video games are from becoming a serious art.
Good. Nothing has been more disastrous for the gaming industry then retards unironically believing this tripe

>> No.8475573

>>8473104
beatles and oot are both art, but they're also both severely overrated and their successors did better in nearly every way. call it bait but you know it's true.

>> No.8475590 [DELETED] 

>>8473028
>The fact that so many publications
stopped reading there

>> No.8475718

>>8473937
has a human been cloned?

>> No.8475942

>>8473937
Suprised it hasn't happened already, didn't the source code leak?

Guess it doesn't have the same retadedly huge dedication that Mario 64 has.

>> No.8476028

>>8475360
How are video games not an art?

>> No.8476690

I know its the scaruffi pasta but it's actually correct here

>> No.8478628

>>8476028
Whether games are art or not is completely irrelevant outside of a purely legal standpoint.

The only reason the debate over this came about to begin with is insecure fucks who needed their hobby validated by other shallow fucks, especially from the Movie industry, to make them seem more "mature". So once the narrative of "games are art" took off this opened the floodgates to every cancer imaginable: games becoming more cinematic and move-like to please the casuals, games being used more as a propaganda tool, games needing to be more "muh realism", games needing to away with less "immature" aspects, etc

Everything wrong with modern gaming and discussion surrounding it can be traced back to this one debate.

>> No.8478652

>>8473028
OoT fucking sucks. I cannot get back into it thanks to the fucking tutorials and long opening cut scenes.

>> No.8478751

>>8478628
Honestly, I don't see how any of that really matters. Not every game these days is trying to appeal to that idea, just play the games you like and ignore that shit. It's what I do.

>> No.8478780

>>8473110
>>8473081
>>8473028
>SaGafags
Why are they always so cringe and annoying? It's uncanny

>> No.8478805

>>8475573
>beatles and oot are both art, but they're also both severely overrated and their successors did better in nearly every way
That's the warped perception of retrospect you're a victim of. Whenever someone accomplishes something very successful and influential everyone after that point in history will be saturated with that high point's impact and younger people who only knew its subsequent influenced successors will see the original as kind of bland and obvious since they were exposed to the many different variations built on its back.
Before a cliche exists there first needs to be an old first instance of that idea good enough that it gets copied and overexposed by everyone else for generations to come.

>> No.8478821

Wow, a Scaruffi meme in 2022. Have a good one, OP.

>> No.8479626

>>8478628
Basically true. So many insufferable fucks wanted games to be way more like movies than they really should be.