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why is it so barebones?

>> No.8457287

>>8457282
Cartridge limitations

>> No.8457289

>>8457282
only looks that way because of decades of content creep

>> No.8457329

>>8457282
it's the first one

>> No.8457334 [DELETED] 

>>8457282
Can't believe the reddit fanbase that resulted from this game. Truly a sad moment in gaming

>> No.8457342

>>8457282
Retard question
It was literally the first in the series

>> No.8457345

It isn't. For a first outing 12 characters and 9 stages is legitimately impressive. The arcade mode isn't incredible but has plenty of assets unique to it.

>> No.8457370

>hmmm why is the first game in a series lacking content compared to the 6th game in the series created 20 years later?

>> No.8457371

It was Sakurai's experimental fighting game project. They probably didn't foresee it becoming maybe their biggest flagship title.

>> No.8457375

>>8457282
idk but it's really comfy.
I don't get why everyone goes on about n64's "uncanny" 3d stuff.

>> No.8457387

>>8457282
Relatively low budget game that was supposed to be Japan-only, but ended up becoming a surprise hit

>> No.8457391

You could tell the vast majority of the development time went into balancing. It's surprisingly well-balanced for a game they had to build completely from the ground up.
Pikachu and Kirby are a bit OP, but you do frequently see other characters in tournaments.

>> No.8457395 [DELETED] 

>>8457334
don't just believe it, actually go back there

>> No.8457412

>>8457282
not any more barebones than any other fighting game

>> No.8457458

>>8457282
It's a fighting game on the N64. What more did you want?

>> No.8457465

Was there any other 4 player clusterfuck combat game at the time? I think it was pretty novel overall. Yeah, it feels barebones as shit. Most fighting games before the PS2 era were.

>> No.8457476

BOARD THE PLATFORMS!

>> No.8457484
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8457484

Better Question: How did they release this all time classic on new hardware just two years after the original?

>> No.8457485

Download smash remix. Good mod that adds new characters and stages. The stage selection is questionable but for the most part it's a version I would've wanted as a kid.

>> No.8457486

DK main for life. Fuck the haters.

>> No.8457489

>>8457465
Power Stone? Technically SSB was first but they both came out right around the same time.

>> No.8457497

>>8457484
They were always working on it. They just downgraded the fuck out of it to fit on the N64. Just like how Apple gimps their devices so the next one is an “upgrade”

>> No.8457504

>>8457489
I loved Powerstone 2

>> No.8457540
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>>8457387
I'm always impressed how low key the first Smash game was. It just more or less happened and was treated as a goofy novelty more than anything amazing. It literally went from a preview in Nintendo Power one month to "out now in stores" the very next. Hell, the game didn't even make the main attraction of the cover: it got a little push into a corner. The spot where a shipping label would cover up.

>> No.8457562

>>8457540
It’s crazy to me they didn’t think a fighter with Mario, Link, Samus and Pikachu wouldn’t be a big deal. It’s still wild they’re in a game together, let alone having Sephiroth, Kazuya and Sonic join.

>> No.8457574
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>>8457562
Here's the preview from the issue prior. Again, it's not treated like a headliner at all. Look at the wording too, "a weird hybrid of a game"

>> No.8457581

>>8457574
>>8457562
it was a pretty weird concept at the time and seemed like a novelty. the scene that has come out of the game wasn't anything anybody could have predicted

>> No.8457595

>>8457540
I've never heard of Beetle Adventure Racing. It must be amazing.

>> No.8457636

>>8457581
Even if it was a novelty, it had fucking Pikachu in it. In 1999. The game could have sold over a million copies on that alone (Hey You Pikachu literally did just that).

>> No.8457649

>>8457595
Pretty sweet game, it's got some exploration elements in addition to being a good racing game

>> No.8457653

>>8457562
>>8457540
It had a TV commercial that ran all the time, that's how everyone I knew learned about it. It wasn't that low key

>> No.8457662

>>8457282
Its the best smash bros, that's the redpill.
No fucking autistic or over the top exploits that kill analog joysticks, no stupid anime characters, no shit dlc, even if the rooster isn't big it is more balanced than many of the future entrys of the game.
You can kill others so cheaply, 4 player is pure madness, combos feel good and the while thing feels loyal to the time it was released in terms of graphics.

>> No.8457668

>>8457486
Having a double spike is so good. That grab he has is amazing, I've got to the point that I can kill mid and high tier characters with him while playing with friends. Underrated

>> No.8457676
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>>8457662
>even if the rooster isn't big

>> No.8457823

>>8457540
Beetle Adventure Racing is 2x as good as SSB
>>8457595
It literally unironically is.

>> No.8457825

>>8457676
good on sir

>> No.8457839

>>8457823
Based

>> No.8458181

>>8457282
Why are you such a disappointment for your parents and family?

>> No.8458208

>>8457465
the outfoxies

>> No.8458285

>>8457282
better question, why does Zelda look like a doodle on the cover while everyone else looks closer to their intended artwork?

>> No.8458367

>>8458285
2/10.

>> No.8458385

>>8458285
OoT had only been out for a few months when SSB released. The non-cartoony design was not considered the standard despite being the base for his model in game.

>> No.8458416

>>8457595
It's actually a really fun game, with a catchy as fuck soundtrack that I still get stuck in my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUaYkDMrIIQ

>> No.8458494

>>8458285

I think he looks pretty good and on model, getting punched by Fox like that

>> No.8458506
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>> No.8458514

>>8457282
because (you) will never be a woman. a butthole isnt a pussy, even if you keep getting fucked in it.

>> No.8458518

>>8458285
You can't quite see it because the boxart cuts it off, but Zelda's making that face because he's holding a paper fan and looking at it like "why the fuck am I using this instead of my sword?"

>> No.8458537

>>8458518
>Zelda

>> No.8458551
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>> No.8458552
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>>8458551

>> No.8458612

>>8458514
I don't know, it's pretty similar to one. Never had anyone complain about differences.

>> No.8458902

It seems the game had a small budget and a short development cycle.

>> No.8458942

>>8458551
>>8458552
SOUL

>> No.8458956

>>8457595
it's one of the best arcade racers ever

>> No.8459002

>>8457595
i've heard of it on here before but didn't see any pics of it so i just assumed it was a racing game with actual beetles lol, not volkswagons

>> No.8459182

>>8459002
That would be sick as fuck, can't lie

>> No.8460258

>>8457484
Why did Ness look fine in smash 64 but look like a giant headed mentally challenged fetus in melee?

>> No.8460310

>>8457653
i was 5 when that commercial aired all the time and i thought it was the best thing ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K783SDTBKmg
it was right around the time that spongebob first came out

>> No.8460317

>>8457289
Spbp

>> No.8460323

>>8457540
The “happy together” commercial is probably one of their most iconic ever. It’s still the one most people think of from them.

>> No.8460325

>>8460310
God damn, this just unlocked ancient hidden memories

>> No.8460505

>>8457282
A lot of fighting game franchises started out pretty barebones with their first game.

>> No.8462330

>>8457540
>>8457653
>>8460310
>>8460323
This, don't underestimate the appeal of that commercial, was amazing when it aired and it appeared often i think.

>> No.8462334

>every stage banned except for Dream Land

>> No.8462349

>>8457289
Decades? More like less than a decade. Content has been put on the backburner for a while now, unless you count expansions you have to pay for.

>> No.8462581

>>8457282
Sequels had to add bloat because the core was already perfected from the beginning

>> No.8462612

>>8457484
Imagine the smell in a room full of melee players..... repulsive

>> No.8464173

>>8458551
Why kirby has lips?

>> No.8464334

>>8462612
Didn't some melee player shit himself at a tournament because he didn't wanna pause the game?

>> No.8464404
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Barebones?
>board the platforms AND break the targets

I miss this shit like you wouldn't know

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>>8464173
oh no no no no

>> No.8465529

>>8464404
>too many characters for each to have dedicated break the targets
>board the platforms NEVER came back and one of Melee's only fumbles

>> No.8465591

>>8465529
The sad part is that modern Smash characters are so damn gimmicky that they could do some cool shit with board the platforms or break the targets.

>> No.8465610

>>8464404
I think that may be your nostalgia talking, those modes aren't actually as fun as you remember.

>> No.8465779

>>8457282
>12 characters
>each has their own unique target test and board the platforms
>kirby has copy abilities for the other 11
>single player arcade like any other fighting game
>vs mode with a ton of unique items and the Pokeball with several different Pokemon
>completely unique take on the fighting genre
What's barebones about it? Literally hours of fun on your own and even more with friends.

>> No.8465787

>>8464334
tourneyfags are subhuman degenerates what else is new? between the tantrums & pedophilia, a dude shitting himself isn't surprising anymore.

>> No.8465810

>>8465787
Yeah the pedophilia is kind of a bigger deal, ngl.

>> No.8465847

>>8460258
Melee and Brawl had this really weird problem where just about everything had to be made of polygons instead of just a texture
Ness looks so weird because they fully modeled a mouth for him instead of just drawing it onto his face
Kirby has the same problem, where if you pause and zoom in his tiny dot mouth is actually a puckered hole; it just looks gross

>> No.8465856

>>8465591
I think the best way they could do target test is to treat it like an event mode. Just create a shitload of layouts with escalating difficulty, let the player use whoever they feel like. Brawl ALMOST does this, but there's only like... five of them.

>> No.8465880

>>8457574
I think journos are just retarded. I was extremely excited for it, picked it up as soon as possible and played it constantly with every friend and family member I had available.

>> No.8465890

>>8457465
Poy Poy 2
https://youtu.be/lWfC5I8ysAE

>> No.8465930

>>8465856
I think something like "speed targets" would be more fun if you're going to just go universal stages, where each time you hit a target another one or two appear immediately (with a warning where the next couple will appear). It would be more a test of spacing and knowing which attacks can be comboed into other attacks quickly.

But character-specific stages are absolutely more fun, since you can really take advantage of their personal attributes. You can't have a stage specifically tailored to Link's Boomerang shenanigans if every character has to be able to complete it.

>> No.8465938

>>8465930
Wow, procedurally-generated target test sounds really cool; never thought of that

>> No.8466070

>>8457540
I was a Nintendo kiddie and didn't even know it existed.
I randomly found the cart in a bin at the flea market one day. I bought it blind and had no idea what kind of game it was, I just thought it was insane seeing Mario and Pikachu on the same cover.

>> No.8466491

>>8457282
still the most fun to play in the series