I wanted to love it

[Anonymous No.8420820]

I really tried. I heard everyone is calling it a classic and one of the best games ever made.

But I HATE, and I mean DESPISE the battle system. You cannot walk for 15 seconds without some shitty Level 1 enemy attacking you. It always plays the same animation and the same music.

I started three times already but rage quitted after half an hour.

I don´t want to play the remake and wait for the other parts to get released maybe in 2-3 years.

Does this ever stop? How does one play through the game like this?

[Anonymous No.8420826]

>>8420820
>You cannot walk for 15 seconds without some shitty Level 1 enemy attacking you. It always plays the same animation and the same music.
Never played a jrpg before?

[Anonymous No.8420827]

Don't play Remake without playing the original. Trust me.

And it does get better. As you get stronger you have more ways of ending fights quickly.

[Anonymous No.8420854]

>>8420826
>Never played a jrpg before?
desu I didn´t I was more of a Zelda / Nintendo kid growing up. I like the more mature library of the PS1 + PS2 though.
>>8420827
>And it does get better. As you get stronger you have more ways of ending fights quickly.
I have read there is an item to reduce the probability of a fight is that true?

[Anonymous No.8420904]

>Guy tries his first ever turn based game
>"IT'S THE GAMES FAULT!"
I'm so fucking tired of you guys.

[Anonymous No.8420912]

>>8420854
All jrpgs are like that, even recent ones. They try to mix it up now by having you move your character around the battlefield, but said battle field is still a closed arena and you're still taking turns to fight. If you don't dig it, don't force yourself.

[Anonymous No.8420925]

>>8420820
Turn the TV down and blast Insane Clown Posse and Oasis
It's the true FF7 experience

[Anonymous No.8420931]

>>8420904
I swear reading the OP made me facepalm so fucking hard. Any more of those threads and I'm just gonna do like everyone else did and leave the board to them

[Anonymous No.8420943]

>>8420904
>>8420912
It´s not the turn based combat it´s the absolutely exhausting frequency of it. Sure you can stretch a 3 hour game to 30 hours if you have combat encounters every 15 seconds that repeat over and over again and add nothing to the story whatsoever

[Anonymous No.8420952]

>>8420943
>It´s not the turn based combat it´s the absolutely exhausting frequency of it
hahahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
Son, play some older JRPGs and come back to me and tell me if you still think FF7 has a high battle frequency.

[Anonymous No.8420962]

>>8420952
>Son, play some older JRPGs and come back to me and tell me if you still think FF7 has a high battle frequency.
How could they send this to QA testing and be like... Yeah sure it´s fine.
I´m under the impression ppl who play JRPGs must have some masochistic tendencies then

[Anonymous No.8420969]

>>8420962
We're actually extremely zen and very handsome.

[Anonymous No.8420978]

>>8420962
Now I'm sure this thread is a troll. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.8420982]

>>8420820
Managing random battles is a part of the gameplay - you're SUPPOSED to figure out when to fight and when not.

You can run from battles and take the risk of a difficult boss fight. You can beat the whole game at very low levels, so maybe you want that challenge. Later on, you can get the Enemy Away materia, to really fine-tune how much you battle. Of course, some people fight every battle and get really over-leveled. Complaining about it is pretty journalist-tier.

Now, you could also play the game in Duckstation and fast-forward through random battles, but then you're sure to be over-leveled.

[Anonymous No.8421036]

Assuming you don't want to just run:

Buy 2 more Lightning Materia in Sector 7 and just have everyone spam that. It's much more powerful than attacking at low levels and more often than not enemies in Midgar are weak to electricity, especially bosses which are mostly robots. After Midgar, most enemies are weak to wind, but that's hard to take advantage of, so you're better off learning Matra Magic from the Sweepers right outside Midgar and having high Magic characters like Cloud and Aerith spam it. This usually wipes out entire groups in one shot even if you're underleveled.

Also, this isn't one of those games where bosses just can't be statused; many of them can be poisoned or even stopped. Choco/Mog and Aerith's Seal Evil can stunlock bosses for 3/4 of a fight sometimes.

[Anonymous No.8421065]

Ah, wouldn't be /vr/ without everyone rushing in to reply to an obvious troll.

[Anonymous No.8421078]

>>8421065
you're so enlightened :3

[Anonymous No.8421084]

>>8420820
Get one of the modern ports for switch or ps4 and use the cheats to speed up the game and disable random battles whenever you want. makes it much more bearable

[Anonymous No.8421107]

>>8420820
Most rooms in FF7 have about 1 or 2 encounters in them tops, the encounter rate is pretty tame in FF7.

[Anonymous No.8421126]

>>8421036
I’ll probably never stop learning new things about FF7’s battle system. Can’t say the same for Remake.

[Anonymous No.8421130]

>>8420820
This is one of those games you had to grow up with and see for the first time when it came out. Everyone played it, everyone loved it.

[Anonymous No.8421297]

>>8420820
This is bait. There are not that many random battles.

[Anonymous No.8421321]

>>8420978
>you HAVE to like rpg games

maybe I don't

[Anonymous No.8421519]

>>8420854
>PS games are so much more mature than kiddie Nintendo ones! They've got emotions and themes and DARKNESS!
What year is it?

[Anonymous No.8421634]

>>8420820
If you don't like random encounters, old school JRPGs probably aren't for you.

That said, there are usually ways to reduce the encounter rate or to make the random encounters extremely effortless, especially in a game with as free-form a battle system as FF7. I know there's a Materia you can win from the Chocobo Races (which you unlock relatively early on) that, if leveled up, will reduce encounter rates by 75%. If the encounters are the only thing that're turning you off from the experience, you could stick it out until you can do the Chocobo Races and dedicate a bit of time to getting that Materia. Given how easy FF7 is, you might even have more fun if you do a low level run like that.

>>8421519
Are you really saying that the PS1 didn't target an older demographic than the N64?

I dunno if that trend holds quite as strong with the Gamecube vs the PS2, though.

[Anonymous No.8421636]

Enemy away materia is necessary because the game is too easy. Win win

[Anonymous No.8421638]

>>8420820
Go back to playing with your switch

[Anonymous No.8421643]

>>8420820
Bro posts like these make me lose my mind. I know I'm 29 and so of course zoomers are fucking of-age now and browsing 4chan, but man. In my head it's still 2005. this fucking dude

[Anonymous No.8421670]

>>8420820
I wish I grew up with this one. I can’t stand this garbage today.

[Anonymous No.8422058]

>>8421643
You're old look in a mirror it's over your emo gfs are all reformed or dead from od/suicide. Your hair is thinning, and your best days are behind you.

[Anonymous No.8422184]

>>8420820
The remake isn't a remake, it so so meta that you need to have played the original to understand because
SPOILER it is a timeloop sequel
I'm sure there's a mod out there to lower the encounter rate. I don't like turn based combat but ff7 is still my favourite game because of everything other than the gameplay

[Anonymous No.8422189]

>>8420820
FF7 has the most refined and smooth battle system of the games to that point. Sounds like you just don't like random encounters, in which case you probably shouldn't be playing JRPGs in general.

[Anonymous No.8422659]

>>8422189
I played this game on emulator with an 8x speed button. In every town I just bought upgraded weapons, mashed circle in every fight until it was won.

It can't be stressed how tedious and mindless the game is. There's like 1% of encounters where you can stop mashing circle because there's some kind of gimmick or the enemies are more vulnerable to magic, but otherwise it involves absolutely no thinking.

[Anonymous No.8422672]

>>8421643
The zoomers have so much on their plates, man. Listen to how OP's mind works. God help him.

[Anonymous No.8422697]

>>8422672
I'm over 30 and I can't stand that jarpig encounter design either. It's the epitome of soulless bugman design. These games are nothing without the music and nostalgia and japs prove it true time and time again.

[Anonymous No.8422712]

>>8422659
>I played this game on emulator with an 8x speed button
discarded

[Anonymous No.8422720]

>>8422712
You just posted a gif of a character from a zoomer cartoon. Is that supposed to show how much of an oldfag you are?

[Anonymous No.8422729]

>>8420820
That's just how most old jrpgs play. Tedious. You either love it or hate it. It was my fave genre as a kid, but I can't stand playing them often anymore. You kind of just zone out and do it.

[Anonymous No.8422740]

>>8422720
>he doesn't know
I cacchinate.

[Anonymous No.8422742]

>>8422697
I could not disagree more but I can understand why you'd feel that way. I both enjoy the battles and enjoy avoiding the battles, if that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.8422750]

>>8422740
I actually know. I watched this shitty cartoon for nostalgia's sake, and it was absolutely heart wrenching how they destroyed the atmosphere of DBZ. This turd of a character at the top of the shitpile only made it that much more revolting. I can't fucking believe you retarded gen z faggots lap this pajeet made vomit up.

[Anonymous No.8422754]

>>8422742
I mean, I just use Mednafen's speed up hotkey which can be set to 20x or whatever speed you wish. Then bind it with xpadder for a comfy toggle and to mute the game when it's toggled on.

[Anonymous No.8422765]

>>8422750
it's ironic fucker, nobody actually likes Mr. ayyy

[Anonymous No.8422771]

>>8422750
I've heard this so often and I still can't get that angry about Super. I enjoyed it for what it was; a Dragon Ball sequel not written by Toriyama. I don't feel that it destroyed the atmosphere of DBZ whatsoever since I can still reread or rewatch it whenever I'd like. And for what it's worth, I actually like all of the new characters and ridiculous power scaling bs. I won't pretend that the anime doesn't look like ass for the majority of its run though.

[Anonymous No.8422773]

>>8422765
I've seen enough /a/ cancer to know better, anon.

[Anonymous No.8422778]

>>8420820
how old are you? 15? you sound like someone who has never played a JRPG before....seriously

[Anonymous No.8422779]

>>8420952
>Son, play some older JRPGs and come back to me and tell me if you still think FF7 has a high battle frequency.

> A Red Slime draws near!
> Command?

How many fucking times did I have to read that shit?

[Anonymous No.8422785]

>>8422773
I mean, really?
Side note: does toriyama actually have more than like 2 character designs?

[Anonymous No.8422789]

>>8422785
I mean, this guy is literally just Gohan Verde, and hero from dq is just Trunks.

[Anonymous No.8422851]

>>8420925
ICP is a centralized shit token. There I said. You can continue discussing FFVII.

[Anonymous No.8422869]

>>8422697
>>8422659
It's really amazing how everyone but japan figured out 25 years ago to tie level progress to quests instead of battles.
It not only makes for a much more option filled and better designed game when it comes to the actual roleplaying aspects, but the battles themselves can all be individually designed and far better made.
Meanwhile JRPGs even to this day just all feature the exact same stifling game design loop

[Anonymous No.8422921]

>>8420820
Zoom
>>8420943
Zoom
>>8421321
Ok zoom
>>8422058
Retarded zoom

[Anonymous No.8422949]

>>8420943
The frequency is lenient as hell.

[Anonymous No.8422964]

>>8422789
>an artist with a very specific view of what all people should look like?! UNHEARD OF!
>what is a "recognizable art style"?!

[Anonymous No.8422978]

jarpigs getting shat on hard

[Anonymous No.8423061]

>>8420904
Random encounters is just really bad game design desu, I'm similar to OP, I played lots of CRPGs growing up but I barely managed to finish two JRPGs from the NES to PS1 era because I wanted to be able to talk about them and don't come across like a pseud. Those two were Xenogears and the mentioned FF7 and both are abysmal and tiring when it comes to random encounters. Why tf are there soldiers fighting me on a pipe with no left or right way in a factory? This shit is just garbage.

[Anonymous No.8423069]

>>8423061
they're not "bad" but outdated design
ALL jarpigs are wizardry clones and wizardry had random encounters because it was on a floppy

[Anonymous No.8423105]

>>8421321
no you don't
you don't have to clutter up the board with shitty threads either
go take a bath with your toaster

[Anonymous No.8423109]

>>8422978
English, please. Not ebonics

[Anonymous No.8423458]

>>8422964

You make a good point: Toriyama and Michelangelo are both retards.

[Anonymous No.8423772]

>>8421036
>>8421126
Some other super-low-effort shit:

Once Matra Magic starts falling off, use the first-tier summons instead, which don't have particularly long animations. Around this time the game will start introducing more gimmick enemies like the Matroyshka doll things that take forever, just run from shit like this. Enemies during this time are often weak to fire, but many of the bosses and stronger enemies like Dragons absorb it, so beware.

When you fight the Materia Keeper (who also absorbs fire; don't use Vincent's Lv1 Limit) in Mt. Nibel, make sure both Enemy Skills are equipped so you learn Trine, which is semi-missable. It's both strong and cheap, and it's lightning element. Things tend not to be strong or weak vs. lightning in mid-game so it's pretty safe to spam outside of the Wutai area (where you can't use your Materia for most of it anyway). This is also true of Jenova-Life and the Aqualung skill (which you can learn earlier using an obscure method but it's not worth going out of the way for), though more things resist water later on.

In Gaea's Cliff, an enemy called Stilva can teach you Magic Breath, which is far more powerful, if costly. The drawback is that if an enemy absorbs any one of the main three elements, it'll absorb Magic Breath as well, but this is surprisingly rare, in fact it's most prevalent in that area you learn it thanks to so many ice enemies.

Other random tips:

* Don't bother using Haste and Barriers at the same time unless you're using Big Guard, the upkeep is annoying (Haste makes Barriers run out faster). Just choose one or the other.
* Cait Sith's Transform Materia is really close to learning Frog, which is nice if you're doing a fast/lower-level playthrough where your Materia are leveling slowly. When you get Added Effect you can make a setup that works well for encounters with lower numbers of mid-tier enemies, and add shit like Counter as well.

[Anonymous No.8423841]

>>8423772
* Early game has most of the bosses that need long-range, so always make sure everyone has that option.
* Don't waste your time with single-Materia gimmick builds (linking a bunch of the same Materia to several different support Materia), these aren't worth it until endgame.
* Don't blindly go for higher Limit levels, check what they do and think about whether it's worth the longer charge. Vincent's are nuanced and can be ineffective or even outright detrimental against the wrong enemy.

That's about it for zero-investment tips.

also: Added Effect doesn't care if you've learned all the spells in a list (which is nice once you get Contain), I mentioned the Transform thing in case you actually want to cast it (since AE is unpredictable).

[Anonymous No.8423842]

>>8420820
Once you get out of Midgar the game becomes 9000 times better. Midgar is so fucking boring to replay.

[Anonymous No.8425621]

>>8422978
*shitten

[Anonymous No.8425625]

>>8420820
Are you using a CRT?

[Anonymous No.8425632]

>>8423061
If the encounters weren’t random, then every single fight would need to be designed. This isn’t a beat ‘em up.

[Anonymous No.8425635]

>>8422184
>I'm sure there's a mod out there to lower the encounter rate.
Only to eliminate encounters afaik. However, it might be easy to change it to simply reduce the rate.

[Anonymous No.8425636]

>people talking about random encounters being outdated design or bad
No. Fuck off with this zoomer shit. There is nothing wrong about wondering if you're going to have to deal with battle on the next step. That's part of the danger.

[Anonymous No.8425639]

>>8425632
>This isn’t a beat ‘em up.
Unlike Remake lol

[Anonymous No.8425645]

>>8425639
and Remake plays so good. Nothing will ever top the story of the original FF7 but fuck Remake plays hell better. If the original played like this then it would unambiguously be the best game of all time

[Anonymous No.8425651]

>>8420820
u shud try phantasy star 2 u fucking brainlet

[Anonymous No.8425653]

>>8425639
I loved FF7 and liked FF7R a lot. The ending did suck, but the game itself was like if Kingdom Hearts was better. Lots of fun.

[Anonymous No.8425654]

>>8420820
Get out of the city before complaining impatient nigger

[Anonymous No.8425659]

>>8422964
It's literally Gohan with Vegeta's face. LAZYama can and does make unique characters. He just doesn't.

[Anonymous No.8425917]

Honestly I agree. I grew up with people praising FF games as this sort of transcendent art form of video games, but the grinding battles are just not fun at all.

I'll stick with zelda

[Anonymous No.8425937]

>>8420820
It's not the game's fault you were born way too late. Fuck mods

[Anonymous No.8425949]

>>8420820
You got memed.

[Anonymous No.8425961]

That's my problem with every one of these games. I love them right up until the point where the game locks me in some dungeon area that throws encounter after encounter at me, and then I just don't want to play anymore.

[Anonymous No.8425965]

>>8421643
I'm 30, and I agree with OP.

[Anonymous No.8425969]

>>8425937
i was born in 2000, I am a Halo zoomer. I first played it in 2012 on a real ps1 on a crt TV. This is my favourite game

[Anonymous No.8425985]

>>8425969
OK, you just proved my point. You are trying to adapt to something that wasn't made for your autism level.

[Anonymous No.8425993]

>>8425985
what?

[Anonymous No.8426104]

In all fairness, the battles are fast paced, so the random encounters aren’t so bothersome.

[Anonymous No.8426136]

>>8420820
7 is seriously overrated OP dont worry youre not alone. just play X the story is actually interesting there arent any cringe lego block characters and you dont have to grind if you know what youre doing

[Anonymous No.8426273]

>>8425917
I grew up with RPGs of any sort being for nerds. If you didn't already know what Final Fantasy was, you'd never hear praise for it at all.

[Anonymous No.8426321]

>>8421643
>>8425965
31 and I do too. I just don’t get it.

[Anonymous No.8426330]

>>8420820
I will never understand why people "really try" to "love" a game. If you don't like it, it's not for you man. You don't have to appreciate every single game considered one of the greatest. Do you do this because you want to fit in with everyone else? Genuinely curious...

[Anonymous No.8426357]

>>8426136
Does X play well on pcsx2?

[Anonymous No.8426363]

>>8426330
It's boilerplate bait phrasing.
OP is trolling.

[Anonymous No.8426386]

Just equip Enemy Away and enjoy yo life. You'll probably have to grind at a few points but that's the time I put on a podcast (or Howard Stern if we are talking about what I put on in the 90s) and the time flies

[Anonymous No.8426396]

>>8426363
Yeah but this isn't the first time I've seen people "try" to "love" a game before. I honestly can't think of a reason people do this other than to fit in and get in on the community around said game.

[Anonymous No.8426403]

>>8420820
your looking at it from the wrong angle zoomer sama. there is nothing wrong with ff7, there is something wrong with what you exspected from it. it was ahead of ITS time. there are better rpgs that have been made sense it came out. ff7 layed the foundation for modern jrpg's.if your rage quitting over core gameplay your probably mad about something elts in your life.

[Anonymous No.8426413]

>>8426403
You have to be 18+ to post here.

[Anonymous No.8426415]

>>8421634
It does.

>>8421519
Any year from 1994 onward.

[Anonymous No.8426447]

>>8426396
Yeah and how many times do you really think people using that specific phrase were being honest? If you're already part of a community and they highly recommend a game, it makes sense to at least give it a try. People said I would like FFX. I tried and got bored of the characters and cutscenes. after about 3-4 hours. I wouldn't say I "tried" to "love" it, but I also didn't try much harder than a couple of play sessions. I could have given it more of a chance.

[Anonymous No.8426475]

>>8426447
>Yeah and how many times do you really think people using that specific phrase were being honest?
Not everyone on the internet is always telling lies Anon. Perhaps you spend too much time on here.

[Anonymous No.8426482]

>>8420820
Why would you want to love this gay crap

[Anonymous No.8426489]

>>8420925
it was Fashion Nugget by Cake for me
https://youtu.be/GVpb4U08ksA

[Anonymous No.8426495]

>>8426475
People use rhetoric all the time, especially on this site. Claiming you tried to love something is an obvious rhetorical device. Sometimes it can be honest, but there's a good chance it's just something someone says to dress up criticism.

[Anonymous No.8426509]

>>8426495
ok

[Anonymous No.8426515]

>>8426475
Hello, fellow good faith poster.

[Anonymous No.8426534]

>>8426515
Good morning sir!

[Anonymous No.8426571]

>>8422789
>>8422964

[Anonymous No.8426591]

>>8422058
not him, but considering how fat and effeminate zoomers are, while i'm most in shape and muscular than i've ever been, while the zoomer girls are all into fitness, i'd say my days keep getting better.

[Anonymous No.8426632]

>>8426509
Just trying to explain, anon, you're the one who seems stressed by the fact that there are people out there spending so much energy trying to love games.

[Anonymous No.8426832]

>>8426632
You're the one projecting about lies.

[Anonymous No.8427085]

>>8420904
>noooo you can't criticize bad game design because... because you can't okay?
the fact that so many shit JRPGs do the same thing doesn't make it better

[Anonymous No.8427096]

>>8427085
>play racing game
>have to brake to make the turn
>"WTF????? IS THIS BAD LEVEL DESIGN??? ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY??? WHY SHOULD I SLOW DOWN WHEN THE OBJECTIVE IS GOING AS FAST AS POSSIBLE???? WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS GENRE AGAIN??"
This is how braindead you sound. I hate people who are against diversity of genres and approaches and want every game to be the same. You guys are the reason why gaming sux now.

[Anonymous No.8427153]

>>8426136

[Anonymous No.8427179]

>>8426357
it runs better than most games

[Anonymous No.8427202]

>>8420820
>reddit spacing
>complains about random battles and combat in a jrpg
>specifically in a jrpg with some of the tamest encounter rates, and simplest, fastest combat
3/10 bro, you got me to respond.

[Anonymous No.8427458]

>>8426136
You don't have to grind in 7 that I recall. Been a bit.

[Anonymous No.8427534]

>>8427458
yea but if you run away from every fight youre probably going to get fucked by a boss sooner or later. bahamut scales with yunas attack power so aslong as you can get her onto auron's grid you can rape pretty much everything.

[Anonymous No.8427582]

>>8427096
You don't have to brake through turns in non-sim racers.
JRPG game design is objectively bad. It limits choice, limits gameplay and quest design structure, limits character progression, and even limits plot design.

[Anonymous No.8427735]

>You don't have to brake through turn in non-sims

either bad bait or actually retarded, i guess Wipeout was actually a sim this entire time

either way no (You)'s for (You), fagboy

[Anonymous No.8428068]

>>8427534
I didn't say run away. You need to at least fight things as they come. That's not grinding. Running away is for when you are going to lose the fight, not avoiding a critical portion of the game.

[Anonymous No.8428095]

FF7 was never good. Weebs are mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.8428106]

Random encounters have their roots in DnD, where the DM randomly tosses enemies at you. That's the point. In a good JRPG, the random enemies are sometimes real nasty fuckers intermixed into weaker ones, like in the Ice Cave in FF1.

[Anonymous No.8428109]

>>8427735
So are Mario Kart and Ridge Racer, wow

[Anonymous No.8428119]

>>8427735
>>8428109
Do you retards not know how to drift

[Anonymous No.8428275]

>>8426330
>I will never understand why people "really try" to "love" a game.

People sometimes would like everything from the presentation to the story but wouldn't like the gameplay. They give the game a chance because of everything else.

[Anonymous No.8428283]

>>8426489
>friend I associate Cake with an hero'd himself in the desert 3 years ago

[Anonymous No.8428291]

>>8422949
This.
If you want a game with absolutely relentless random encounters, go play phantasy star gaiden.
You will never complain about it in other games ever again.

[Anonymous No.8428318]

>>8423772
Are you me?

[Anonymous No.8428368]

>>8428318
Well met, self.