To all you pvm retro gamer chads

[Anonymous No.8412185]

How important is your pvm to you? How much would you sell one for? It's a shame that I don't have one and need one

[Anonymous No.8412201]

I have a 1994 Hi Black Trinitron consumer TV. With a little focus and convergeance adjustments it gets into PVM territory. Phosphors seem to be a little worse. But picture quality is like 90% of where a good PVM is.

[Anonymous No.8412203]

>>8412201
I said pvm chads, you don't have a pvm, Mr ain't got a pvm

[Anonymous No.8412398]

I got my PVM by chance, I wasn't on the lookout for one. Like I was definitely down to get one if it came along and wasn't crazy expensive and somehow that happened by happy coincidence. A friend of mine who is huge into PVMs and restoring arcade cabs ran into a guy who was selling some, my friend already had bigger ones and was looking for a little 7 inch. The guy happened to have a 1953MD that he was willing to sell for 60 so he grabbed it for me. It's been my primary display for old vidya ever since, except for R/F only stuff which I have a 19 inch consumer model trinny for. I could live without it but at this point I'd rather not.

[Anonymous No.8412406]

>>8412398
Eeeh this is a better picture

[Anonymous No.8412443]

I don't know why you say you need one, go to a convention or "vintage gaming" museum that people make and kill the curiosity.
Either way they're all picked and have been for a few years, with covid it's now even more expensive and they may break after a few months of use, forget about them.

[Anonymous No.8412454]

Just keep an eye out on your local classified ads and be prepared to spend some money if you want anything decent. Didn't find my current main 20" PVM until after about a year or so of looking around. Also consider that a lot of these things are pretty old nowadays and may need repairs/servicing.

[Anonymous No.8412464]

>>8412185
I have a CRT but I think it would be more convenient to get a converter that can add scanlines to a lcd

[Anonymous No.8412472]

>>8412454
This. My dad gave away a 300$ CRT for free. He just left it out side and let whoever drove by pick it up.

[Anonymous No.8412702]

>>8412203
You just said in OP you dont have one,also why do you NEED one ? A good crt tv with component gives a very good picture and you can get one of those for next to nothing and bigger too if thats your thing.

[Anonymous No.8412715]

>>8412201
fucking wannabe. this is the cool kids' club!

[Anonymous No.8412741]

>>8412185
My PVMs mean nothing to me. I only hoard them because it makes entitled children seethe.

[Anonymous No.8413176]

>>8412702
I guess so

[Anonymous No.8413203]

I have a 1343md. If for some reason I've decided I'm done with retro gaming for life, I would just give it away to an anon who'd make use of it because I have an actual career and I'm not a money grubbing poorfag that thinks scalping and reselling is a legitimate profession.

[Anonymous No.8413223]

>>8412185
Why would I pay extra for thick and distracting scanlines and a picture way to sharp for most /vr/ generation games?
PVMs are a meme.

Best to play on TVs with lower TVL and bigger pitch size. Specially shador or slot mask.
Slot mask in general is best of both worlds.

Just because they are the best 15kHz CRTs doesn't mean they are the best tool for a specific job, in this case, retro-gaming.

[Anonymous No.8413229]

>>8413203
>scalping and reselling is a legitimate profession.
It's as much not a profession like any profession, don't delude yourself
Unless you're living in pre industrial revolution countryside and are a farmer with many fields or someone who works at a windmill, you are irrelevant just like everyone else

[Anonymous No.8413246]

>>8413229
Why are you roping me into your cope. Just cause you think you're irrelevant, don't assume everyone is like you.

[Anonymous No.8414580]

>>8413246
Because you're irrelevant but deluded enough to believe otherwise.
I don't need to cope, I already know I'm irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.8414721]

>>8412398
>>8412406
And you use it to play ZX Spectrum or Amiga games? Sad.
Valley of Rains looks pretty nice
in that screen, I'm kinda envious

[Anonymous No.8414724]

I like having 240p, 480i and 480p on the same set.

[Anonymous No.8414725]

>>8414724
Sets that do 480p are usually too sharp for good 240p.

[Anonymous No.8414726]

>>8414725
I disagree/don't care

[Anonymous No.8414730]

>>8414721
>using a PVM for Amiga
Lol? I have a dedicated RGB monitor for that. PVMs aren't worthy enough for Amiga.

[Anonymous No.8414732]

>>8414726
>those thick blank lines
>those sharp graphics
enjoy your eyesore I guess

[Anonymous No.8414748]

>>8412185
I'm sort of a poser. I picked up this SSM-14N5U from an electronics recycling place recently and I love it to death. I don't have any plans to mod any of my consoles so the only available inputs being composite and s-video doesn't bother me at all. Besides, I played most of my games over RF until maybe 2008 so s-video still looks awesome to me. I love that I'm now able to easily flip a CRT into portrait for shooting games.
I want to emigrate after I graduate college in a few years and I'm willing to bring this thing on the plane with me if I have to.

[Anonymous No.8414770]

>>8414726
What game is that?

[Anonymous No.8414776]

>>8414770
Lufia 2. One of the best RPGs on the Super Nintendo

[Anonymous No.8414859]

>>8413223
The scanlines are really thick, in the 90's I would be really into that stuff since scanlines and 2D was all the rage but now I find it strange to have thick horizontal lines across the picture having used LCD screens since 2008. I find shaders really terrible for this same reason, they're specially bad in 3D games.

[Anonymous No.8414871]

>>8412203
>>8412715
Dont care noob. Would not trade.

[Anonymous No.8414903]

>>8414580
The cope is you believing everyone else is as useless as you because its a comfortable lie.

[Anonymous No.8414976]

>>8413223

Sorta agree, but sorta don't at the same time.

As a Yuro even most commercial sets were higher TVL and sharper picture due to more widely available RGB. So to me, it doesn't look "wrong" to have sharp pixels on a CRT. To me, it still looks more pleasant and natural than any LCD can manage.

But I do see where you're coming from, beyond a certain point it does defeat the purpose of using a CRT at all. I remember playing the PC ports of a few 2D games when I was a kid, and even back then, I didn't like the way everything looked so sharp and blocky on a high res PC monitor (although obviously at the time, I had no idea why that was the case.)

You're correct, it's about the right tool for the right job; trouble is an LCD is a poor tool for any job.

[Anonymous No.8415103]

A 19" or higher PC CRT monitor at 640x480 60Hz gets some really nice scanlines and it's pretty sharp, if you can't get a P/BVM and want a CRT to play emulators then it's a good alternative. They're still cheap since they can't de-interlace video, most PS2 games were 480i so not many people are looking for them.

[Anonymous No.8415285]

>>8414748
cool blog faggot

[Anonymous No.8415537]

>>8415285
Thanks, other faggot

[Anonymous No.8415672]

Only tv i play retro games on is a woodgrain model with RF. PVM is all tranny/basedboy shit

[Anonymous No.8415695]

>>8412185
How important is it? It's just a physical item for playing old vidya, so in the grand scheme of things not very important at all, as true of all my vidya shit.

Would never bother selling

[Anonymous No.8415889]

>>8414976
That doesn't matter, most tubes were even the same between NTSC and PAL models of same concumer sets, even though there were line differences in the signal. Even then the line difference is miniscule and TVL has nothing to do with the PAL/NTSC lines themselves.
RGB was mostly a electronical addition thanks to SCART.

[Anonymous No.8415893]

>>8415889
Butthurt burger detected

[Anonymous No.8415894]

>>8415893
Lol? I'm in Europe, it's almost 15:00 here.
I just don't want bullshit to be posted about European hardware so others can call Euros out for bullshiting for superiority.

[Anonymous No.8415897]

>>8414976
Also it's not really about right or wrong, it's about how it looks the best, lots of people on /vr/ buy PVMs because they think it's looks the best, but I disagree, the games look better on CRTs with less sharpness and TVL.

[Anonymous No.8416107]

>>8412185
>need one
no you don't cumsoomer

[Anonymous No.8417704]

>>8415889

I don't claim to be an expert, I don't know the technical details, but yeah the signal is what I was referring to. On PAL you'd get borders at the top and bottom where the blank lines compressed the image because PAL was a higher vertical res.

In practical terms this meant you never really saw the scanline effect with PAL games because the lines were closer together. I had a modchipped console back in the day and on NTSC games you could see the scanlines, because it wasn't compressed and filled out the screen.

This is why for a long time scanline filters on emulators and stuff confused me, because to me, that wasn't how I remembered games looking, and I thought it was just some dumb meme; but upon reflection the NTSC stuff actually did have them. It was just more subtle on a real TV than most filters make it out; and definitely much less pronounced than on a PVM/PC moitor.

RGB did make a noticeable difference in picture quality though. It's night and day between that and composite.

[Anonymous No.8417717]

>>8415889
>the line difference is miniscule

It's 480 vs 576 lines, that's almost a 20% difference anon. That's not miniscule.

[Anonymous No.8417743]

>That's how I remember the games

But none of you were using high end CRT back in the day, none of you are actually recreating nostalgia right now.

[Anonymous No.8417786]

>>8417743

It's the best image quality you could have had, theoretically, back in the day.

If you're a literal boomer and were a home cinema enthusiast (or more likely, your dad was one), you might well have had a good Trinitron which can easily rival PVMs in quality.

It's not about nostalgia though really, just about what you like best.

[Anonymous No.8417794]

>>8417743
I sure as fuck am not recreating nostalgia. FUCK RF

[Anonymous No.8418083]

>How important is a PVM to you?
I’d be happy with a late Trinitron, JVC D series or Toshiba A
>How much would you sell one for?
My Sony-20L5? $2500 like they’ve been selling regularly on eBay. You’d be retarded to not try and get market price for your property.
>it’s a shame I don’t have one
Don’t be. Don’t worry about getting one, but to those that have them, enjoy them.

[Anonymous No.8418091]

>>8417743
>none of you are actually recreating nostalgia right now.
Correct. I actually play games because they're fun and I like how they look on my PVM.

[Anonymous No.8418457]

>>8417794
>>8418091
This honestly, I don't give a shit about nostalgia. I like old games because I prefer their design sensibilities and more focused gameplay, and I want to play them on an ideal display. People who play old games just for nostalgia aren't doing it because they like the games and I don't give a fuck about recreating my childhood experience.

[Anonymous No.8419035]

>>8417717
>>8417704
20% is miniscule
also if you're playing PAL consoles on a PAL TV, you're using 288p, so even *IF* you have a finer pitch tube, it makes up for it, so the scanlines and blank lines would be just as visible or not on the PAL TV compared to NTSC

[Anonymous No.8419621]

>>8412741
based

[Anonymous No.8421683]

>>8414721
That second picture is a Super Famicom game, anon.

Also oi me speccy looks well good on me PVMeme innit?

[Anonymous No.8421905]

>>8419035

You've never looked at either of these things with your own eyes have you anon. There's a very noticeable difference between a PAL and NTSC signal on the same set.

[Anonymous No.8421912]

>>8417743
I don't give a shit about "recreating nostalgia". I just enjoy pushing original hardware to the maximum quality possible. And in general that means RGB cables and PVMs. Although it's been AGES since I've been able to recommend a PVM in good conscience. They were a terrific value years ago when you could still get good ones for cheap. Now retards are fighting over scraps, either paying scalper kikes who hoard warehouses of them and demand thousands each, or the naive bastards paying hundreds for some shitty little 8" portable tube.

For that reason, best value is, and has been for some time now, to just get a decent condition later-generation sony with component inputs, and just use a transcoder. Or if your a eurofag your nicer TVs have RGB natively, so even easier. Or if that's not an option, an RGB mod, although I don't personally have experience with that. Consumer sets are highly underrated and even with a PVM, BVM, and Panasonic pro-monitor, I still often find myself using the nice 32" trinitron that's been in the family for 20 years.

Also the multiformat shit is highly overrated. LCDs honestly do a fine enough job doing 480p and above, they only really have trouble with native 240p and 480i. And even then if you must use a CRT for higher definition content, PC CRT monitors are equally sharp/sharper than a PVM and handle 31khz signals beautifully

[Anonymous No.8422736]

>>8421912
>PC CRT monitors
Jesus, I still remember plugging in my old Flatron after having used an LCD for years. It was an eyestrain festival. Absolutely insufferable for computer use.
To imagine people willingly pay good money for these atrocities just to get their pixels nice and blurry.

[Anonymous No.8422747]

>>8421683
Lush

[Anonymous No.8422762]

>>8422736
did you try turning the brightness down at all

[Anonymous No.8422770]

I have one sitting in my basement i found behind a dumpster. It needs a new power cable, but idk if its even worth replacing since if the label on the back is accurate, its only in black n white. May be worth it to dick around with some day. I mean i guess i could at least play Sinclair X1 games on it..

[Anonymous No.8422841]

>>8421683

Oi meight, yer geometry looks a bit wonky there, sort art yer pincushion ya plonker

[Anonymous No.8422875]

>>8422762
Lmfao brightness was not the issue. It was blurry. My eyes were no longer used to that. CRTs are blurry as fuck compared to LCDs.

[Anonymous No.8423196]

>>8422875
>It was blurry
did you try using a better connection

[Anonymous No.8423236]

>>8423196
are you retarded anon? all pc crt's used vga or dvi

some were just piss poor quality and had really bad shadow masks and blurred/blended everything horribly, not all of them looked good

[Anonymous No.8423245]

This is the best looking PVM

[Anonymous No.8423331]

>>8412406
>Muscle Bomber: The Body Explosion
>Explosion Hazard. Do not use in the presence of flammable anesthetics

[Anonymous No.8423338]

What is a PVM, anyway?

[Anonymous No.8423347]

pvms are nice but, as long as i can play my games i'm happy
thankfully i have a nice crt though

[Anonymous No.8423360]

>>8412185
I bought a PVM 14M2E yesterday for 250€. I had 3 consumer trinitrons from the mid 90s up until then.

In terms of image quality it's not that big of a jump, sure if you get very close the PVM is sharper and has cleaner image but it's not the "wooah" effect I got when going from a cheap samsung to good consumer trinitron. The biggest advantage for me is that it accepts pretty much every input. Second great thing is easily accessible and complete service menu for on the fly overscan adjustments on a game to game basis. Finally it accepts the NTSC standard, whereas my TVs would only take 60hz PAL and would display NTSC consoles in black and white.

I feel sort of bad for spending so much money on what is essentially a big toy but at the same time I'm skipping this generation of consoles all together because the industry is now nothing but pozzed shit plagued by disgusting monetization practices so It's gonna be sweet to kickback and watch it burn while I enjoy some classics on a nice display.

[Anonymous No.8423590]

I sold off all 4 PVMs I got for free. Consumer CRT is best for gaming. PVMs are too sharp, might as well play on a modern flat panels with a proper scaler.

[Anonymous No.8423658]

>>8423360
>I feel sort of bad for spending so much money on what is essentially a big toy but at the same time I'm skipping this generation of consoles all together because the industry is now nothing but pozzed shit plagued by disgusting monetization practices so It's gonna be sweet to kickback and watch it burn while I enjoy some classics on a nice display.

[Anonymous No.8423698]

>>8423245
That's not a PVM.

[Anonymous No.8423707]

>>8423698
That's why the picture looks great.