how come Dragon Quest wasn't popular in early 90s West, yet Final Fantasy was?

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Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:01:38 2021 No.8368956 [Reply] [Original]

how come Dragon Quest wasn't popular in early 90s West, yet Final Fantasy was?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:04:13 2021 No.8368963 it took them forever to localize the NES DQ games, so they never took off since the more advanced Final Fantasy was already available, this meant dissapointing sales which in turn disuaded them from localizing the SNES games

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:06:18 2021 No.8368973 >>8368956 Final Fantasy really wasn't while DQ was a thing on NES. DQ5 came out in 92 and never released in the west until those remakes. FF6 came out in 94, then came FF7 and things just went differently from there. Your take is retroactive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:10:23 2021 No.8368979 because dragon quest is boring as fuck even by jrpg standards and doesn't have any of the flash of edge of the FF series to distract from that

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:11:27 2021 No.8368984 >>8368979 >flash of edge of the FF series to distract from that pre FF6 had none of that.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:13:30 2021 No.8368987
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>>8368979
that's a cool story bro, maybe go tell it on /v/ ?

>>8368956
>>8368963
>>8368973
IIRC Final Fantasy was very much a niche game in the States until FFVII. Square was just more willing to spend the money than Enix on bringing the games overseas. DQ also wasn't helped by the fact that the first 4 games didn't come until YEARS after their original release dates. DQ 1 1986/1989, DQ 2 1987/1990, DQ 3 1988/1992, DQ 4 1990/1992. By the time they came out here the games looked and felt primitive compared to other games which really hurt the broad appeal. I'm sure the name change didn't help. Final Fantasy 1 actually came out here 2 years before DQ 3 did so the great leap forward of the 4 man customizable party was actually usurped too.

If Enix had had even a modicum of respect for the US market back in the late 80s/early 90s things would have been very different. Instead after the failure of Dragon Warrior 4 in the west, we wouldn't get another official release until Dragon Warrior 1 + 2 came out for GBC in 2000, followed by Dragon Warrior VII in 2001, just a month an a half after 9/11. DW VII was nearly a nail in the coffin because it came out after FFVII, VIII and Legend of Dragoon, JRPGS with CGI graphics and FMV cutscenes, which DW VII looked like a games from the SNES era.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:13:58 2021 No.8368990 >>8368956 I love this design so damn much, it's so simplistic but works so well...and that crotch piece, wew.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:15:42 2021 No.8368993 Did a Dragon Quest/Warrior game even make it to Super Nintendo in the US? I don't think it did. It wasn't until 7 came to the PlayStation that we'd see it again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:15:46 2021 No.8368994 >>8368984 ff4 had people dying every 20 minutes and you spend the first 1/3rd of the game as a literal dark knight out for vengence

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:20:18 2021 No.8369001

DQ was more challenging and less explanatory than Final Fantasy, in the west players were struggling with shitty games that take no thought or detective work or puzzle solving (think raiden, gradius, streets of rage, mario, etc) just muscle memory trash so naturally complex multilayered games like DQ and yes even FF caught on slower until gamers matured and became more literate and thoughtful

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:22:23 2021 No.8369006 It's too Japanese. No translation is ever going to provide the experience that made the series popular in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:24:20 2021 No.8369012 >>8369001 Despite my mom refusing to let me play RPGs as a kid, I do remember my friend's older brother really getting into the NES games. On the other hand, almost nobody gave a shit about Final Fantasy until 4 and 6 hit on the SNES.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:32:48 2021 No.8369034

I would add FF has always been sort of AAA tech wise, while DQ always looked like it was lagging behind. You just have to look at FF7, and Dragon Warrior 7 on PS1. They look 1 gen apart. It never bothered me, quite the opposite actually, but I can understand this is a deal breaker for some players new the the series. In the west, it's all about graphics, and pretty pictures sell the product (at least until like a decade ago). It was never the case in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:43:27 2021 No.8369061 >>8368990 >move legs wrong way >thighs get sliced like ham by crotch piece

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:49:00 2021 No.8369074 >>8368956 because they should have localized DQ3 first in the west when they could, it would have blown FF1 out the water as a debut of JRPG to the west and america would be sucking DQ dick forever

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 00:51:30 2021 No.8369079
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Reception of the games in NA weren't as well advertised or exposed as Final fantasy, on top of that, the last DQ game released prior to recently was ages ago. Consider, they yeeted DQ 10 and that one released for the Wii then future console ports, but exclusively to JP and here in the west we got nothin for almost what feels like ages

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 01:01:09 2021 No.8369101 >>8369012 >Despite my mom refusing to let me play RPGs as a kid How could a mother be so based?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 01:35:54 2021 No.8369164 >>8369101 saving the best genre for when I was older, literate , and able to appreciate it based momma

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 02:44:54 2021 No.8369267 File: 291 KB, 1024x1035, 3135_front.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8369034 I prefer having a full 3D town looking like a SNES game to a pre rendered picture. For me DQVII looks better than any FF on the PS1 for that sole reason.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 06:10:08 2021 No.8369573 >>8368979 Dragon Quest is directly under "Soulful" in the dictionary

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 06:15:19 2021 No.8369579

>>8368987
>and FMV cutscenes
let's just be honest with ourselves here, since were all core gamers

Normies don't actually play FF games, they just want to watch the 20 hour long cutscenes and 3D anime. Dragon Warrior is purely game, like a real video game. FF has always just been window dressing and DA bait

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 06:18:16 2021 No.8369580 >>8368956 One is shit the other isn't.... Take a guess at what happens to shit titles? They are fucking left in the East.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 06:20:17 2021 No.8369582 >>8368994 FF4 is melodramatic and hammy, but I really wouldn't call it edgy. Cecil is out for redemption and stopping an evil empire, not really revenge per se.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 06:56:56 2021 No.8369617

Dragon Quest is an antiquated by RPG standards but hit later overall compared in the US. Heck, it took how many games to move beyond "hit A to pull up a command menu for everything" and go to a more modern "A is a context sensitive examine/talk/interact button". Coupled with the oddball localization giving everyone Ye Olden Englishe talk and spell names that are complete nonsense like "Hurt" and "Hurtmore", it just comes across as both primitive and childish.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 08:32:27 2021 No.8369768 >>8369617 >more, most, all, maybe the odd Kaclang here and there is somehow worse than >aga, googaga, bazingaga spell suffix nope Final Fantasy is made to be consoomed by "certain" audiences...and it shows

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 08:46:12 2021 No.8369789

>>8369579
DQ is pure grind with one of the most mind numbingly tedious battle systems ever conceived by human minds. For a supposedly streamlined wizardry clone it sure does take it's time during battles compared to the lightning fast encounters of Wiz1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 08:47:52 2021 No.8369792 >>8368956 Why don't real muscle girls look like this?

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 08:59:03 2021 No.8369804

It wasn't. Neither sold particularly well compared to other titles for the NES. If anything, Square's more conservative policies on throwing cash at the Western market helped it claim the title of Last Man Standing, while Enix had to close up shop for a number of years in the States.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 09:51:20 2021 No.8369890 >>8368956 The real question is how come Final Fatasy saved a company from bankruptcy when Phantasy Star which came out the same week shits on every RPG of its time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 09:59:49 2021 No.8369906 >>8369890 Because nobody had a Sega and everybody had a Family Computer.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 10:01:45 2021 No.8369912

Too little too late I guess? Like >>8368963 says, it took them too long to localise them and people had realised there was superior RPGs/similar games elsewhere. The generic name and slow gameplay that Americans didn’t really get at the time couldn’t have helped. It’s kind of like with Hydlide how that game was hot shit in Japan but when they finally dragged it over to the west, it was comically outdated and janky compared to stuff like Zelda. Now that’s not saying Dragon Quest is Hydlide tier of not good but if it had come out a little sooner, it probably would’ve helped.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 11:33:29 2021 No.8370093 >>8368956 I remember FF1 being fairly popular, even some of my unintelligent friends and cousins I wouldn't think the game would appeal to owned it. There was one on gameboy lots of kids at my school had too but I can't recall the name of it.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 13:04:18 2021 No.8370272

>>8368963
Correct
>>8368973
FF1 and DQ were both successful on NES. But DQ2 and 3 came out late in the NES timeline with little fanfare. FF4 was a modest success showcasing what a JRPG could be on the SNES. It was smooth and aesthetic, with great sound and music, etc.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 13:46:51 2021 No.8370368

I really hate Final Fantasy fans. They're easily one of the most stupid game fanbases ever. Final Fantasy is popular because they became braindead shitty movie games starting with FF4. Dragon Quest is more honest about what it is, and its more similar to Final Fantasy 1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 14:50:38 2021 No.8370501 >>8369789 I think maybe you just suck at DQ bro lol. Stop spamming attack for every move.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 15:14:16 2021 No.8370556 >>8369792 Muscles and low body fat are unhealthy and don't really attract chad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 15:17:02 2021 No.8370567 >>8368956 Enix spend too little on marketing

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 15:49:29 2021 No.8370659

>>8369617
>Ye Olden Englishe talk

That was awesome though.

>and spell names that are complete nonsense like "Hurt" and "Hurtmore"

Yeah those weren't so great. But only the first game had Hurt; the other ones used more descriptive main words, which is the most important thing. "more" and "most" aren't too bad.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 15:56:05 2021 No.8370670

>>8370093

Would have been Final Fantasy Adventure or one of the Final Fantasy Legend games, I guess? None of those was actually a Final Fantasy game in Japan, but if normal people were buying them because of the Final Fantasy name then it still supports the claim that normal people liked Final Fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 15:58:10 2021 No.8370676 Final Fantasy Adventure was a FF game in Japan, only with the sequels they distanced the series from FF

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 15:59:17 2021 No.8370681 >>8370670 -> >>8370676

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 16:00:46 2021 No.8370685 >>8370556 incels like rubber band arms on women

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 16:52:49 2021 No.8370828

At the time RPGs were strong associated strong with PC gaming in the West, with consoles for more action-oriented titles and arcade ports. Final Fantasy wasn't truly big until VII, and that's because Sony had an enormous advertising campaign for it.

But moreover Dragon Quest as a franchise is something Japan loves but nobody else really cares for, same with Americans and Halo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 17:29:35 2021 No.8370932 >>8369267 DQ7 looks nothing like a snes game u smoking crack mate

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 17:32:44 2021 No.8370947 >>8369061 based retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 17:36:56 2021 No.8370962 >>8370932 Fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 18:22:05 2021 No.8371072 >>8369267 It may look better, but 3D was what sold games at the time

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:16:48 2021 No.8371937 don't know but I like DQ more than FF

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:24:43 2021 No.8371949 File: 136 KB, 980x1110, E26Azt1XEAUKZwN.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why is this design so appealing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:30:18 2021 No.8371967 File: 296 KB, 1536x2048, gh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8371949 sex

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:41:06 2021 No.8371996 File: 221 KB, 1227x1672, fa6c1d581c2b1349279ff718954c9116.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] DQ games are fucking shit but she makes me coom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:47:48 2021 No.8372006 File: 252 KB, 1250x1672, 026.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8371949 Gee I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:48:50 2021 No.8372008 File: 185 KB, 1244x1676, 022.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:51:35 2021 No.8372015 >>8371996 >>8371967 >>8372006 >>8372008 I want sex with DQ females

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:05:44 2021 No.8372047 >>8368973 FF4+6 (localized as FF2+3) were heavily marketed in North America, and I'm pretty sure they were pretty big sellers before FF7 mania

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:26:47 2021 No.8372091 >>8368956 Because they couldn't use the absolutely dick-swelling character design in the promotional material in the west. Simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:50:42 2021 No.8372132 >>8370670 >None of those was actually a Final Fantasy game in Japan FFA's title in Japan is Seiken Densetsu: Final Fantasy Gaiden.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 06:22:32 2021 No.8372496 >>8368956 too sexy for americans, cant have that with puritans

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:21:14 2021 No.8372651 >>8368956 >>8372008 >>8372006 >>8371996 >>8371967 bruuuuh

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:32:06 2021 No.8372664 >>8368956 Not releasing the SF games in english when the genre became more popular during the 16bit era played a major part in that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 09:14:35 2021 No.8372716 >>8369061 >>8369061 funny how every anime rpg draws the same crotch metal place even now when you can google armor

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 09:17:19 2021 No.8372725 >>8368956 she is peak toriyama design

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 11:07:47 2021 No.8372912 >>8370368 >Final Fantasy is popular because Final Fantasy appealed more to normalfags due to the mind-blowing QoL feature of not having to select "Talk" from a menu to talk to an NPC.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 16:12:08 2021 No.8373552 >>8372912 >Stairs Seriously, lol

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:16:55 2021 No.8374575
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>>8370828
>Final Fantasy wasn't truly big until VII, and that's because Sony had an enormous advertising campaign for it.
FFVII was also a legitimately good game in spites of its 350k words of dialog, and the franchise had a modest but very active and enthusiastic fanbase in North America. IV and VI both sold over 200k in North America, which was disappointing to Square but when those numbers are True Fans eager to buy anything the company releases, that puts you in a really good position to have a successful large-scale marketing campaign. And like I said, it helps when the product delivers what it promises.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:28:43 2021 No.8374604

the answer to this, as it is many times, is purely advertising
america has always been a place that buys based on ads. not quality, innovation, or relatability. advertisements. just the strength of the ads. cost also applies, but only to consoles, not games.
good marketing = successful game, bad marketing = bad sales, no marketing = no sales.
any other answer could only be worth consideration if they bothered marketing dq here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 22:07:10 2021 No.8374687 File: 758 KB, 625x626, bait.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8374604

>>	Next Mon Nov 29 22:37:09 2021 No.8374767 https://o.5ch.net/1qkrh.png https://o.5ch.net/1qmy0.png

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 22:40:31 2021 No.8374773 >open /vr/ >see this thread and OPs pic on top of catalog >dick gets some blood pumped into it today is good im healthy and virile and about to play some DQ6

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 03:05:05 2021 No.8375236 File: 140 KB, 1205x800, 13502564_251957931849909_2192355380424937180_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The biggest difference of DQ & FF is that DQ doesn't huff on their own farts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 03:09:31 2021 No.8375245 >>8372496 Didn't even come out in Jewrop, yet they were all cult classics here. Cope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 03:10:32 2021 No.8375247 >>8374773 TMI, but have a good time anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 03:12:56 2021 No.8375256 >>8374604 >We didn't get it cuz Japan thinks we're gay, so whatabout America Eurocope

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 03:13:07 2021 No.8375257 File: 1.29 MB, 2000x2000, a94.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is DQ so cozy? It's like coming home again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 03:14:57 2021 No.8375264 File: 392 KB, 1920x1242, max-haig-ff1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fuck all the bonus dungeons in the FF1 remakes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 03:39:56 2021 No.8375338 >>8375257 Homos and zoomers will never understand. The comfiness is due to it being unapologetically earnest and focused, plus you're all alone. It really makes you feel like THE hero in an open-world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 04:17:08 2021 No.8375384 >>8375257 awesome art damn

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 04:31:22 2021 No.8375412 Final Fantasy only got popular in the west with Final Fantasy 7. Otherwise before that it was as niche as Dragon Quest in the west was.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 04:32:42 2021 No.8375417 >>8375257 DQ is just pure hero's journey back to basics JRPG gameplay. It's like an old blanket you've had since you were a kid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 05:26:38 2021 No.8375524 >>8375417 whats a good place to start the older or newer DQs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 05:32:26 2021 No.8375534 >>8375524 Dragon Quest 8 has always been a favorite of mine. Dragon Quest 11 is very similar in style too. For more retro consoles Dragon Quest 3, 4 and 5 are a good smorgasbord.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 07:33:39 2021 No.8375728 >>8375524 I started with the first one, which was kino. Then I moved on to 9, since it came out the year I started the first one. That one was easy and great, too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 07:35:10 2021 No.8375732 >>8375524 Note that the first three and the second three games are in their own chronological arcs. Every other game is its own independent universe (not including the spin-off series).

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 07:44:52 2021 No.8375767 >>8375245 enix is like atlus, for whatever reason they keep ignoring us

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 08:28:31 2021 No.8375835 >>8375732 The connections between 4-6 are tenuous at best. They are nowhere as connected as 1-3.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 08:28:47 2021 No.8375836
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>>8368979
>because dragon quest is boring as fuck even by jrpg standards and doesn't have any of the flash of edge of the FF series to distract from that
I'm starting to be convinced that Final Fantasy are the Rick and Morty fans of the RPG scene

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 12:26:11 2021 No.8376342 >>8375236 I like both, but you're full of shit. There's constant self-referencial shit throughout the DQ franchise, even within the mainline games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 12:27:51 2021 No.8376347 >>8375836 That dude is clearly just a shitposter who doesn't even play Final Fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 12:37:09 2021 No.8376368 https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=sjyjM5liAKg&list=PL9CB331D9AC520552&index=0

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 12:37:11 2021 No.8376369 >>8376342 No from game 1 FF was pretentious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 12:37:50 2021 No.8376372 File: 152 KB, 722x1100, b754e58876ae4cb04312bf8f082d656d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Love me DQ love me FF simple as

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 13:14:29 2021 No.8376452 >>8376369 You must have some massive insecurities if you find the adolescent goofball Final Fantasy stories to be pretentious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 13:34:24 2021 No.8376476 >>8376372 Based /vr/ uniting the rival franchises

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 13:34:24 2021 No.8376478 >>8376452 Yeah, yeah, Okay Mr. I'm made of the dreams of dead people.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 13:34:54 2021 No.8376479

>>8370567
This is the beginning and end of it. The first Dragon Warrior was hyped by Nintendo itself so it did very well. II-IV were handled by Enix and they only were halfway invested in the American market before pulling out entirely during the SNES, which was a pretty critical time when it came to gaining a foothold in the gaming zeitgeist. People who were born in the 80s were just aging into the RPG genre at the exact moment Dragon Quest abandoned ship.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 13:40:18 2021 No.8376502 File: 728 KB, 976x2544, DQ3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Bloated graphics, plots, character-driven games killed this

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 13:44:30 2021 No.8376518 I know this sounds retarded but I seriously think the first person perspective of the battles hurt the franchise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 13:47:07 2021 No.8376526 File: 161 KB, 1200x855, 13575931_251957421849960_8425785025808652187_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Beat 1-3,8 Dropped 4 I really don't like 9.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 14:13:24 2021 No.8376601 >>8375257 Shoes dangling from feet is so cute.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 14:22:38 2021 No.8376624 >>8376502 4th shot from the bottom left, I seriously enjoy that background alot I keep thinking about how FF almost ruined JRPGs for me forever, but DW made me enjoy them

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 14:24:33 2021 No.8376626 >>8376479 >The first Dragon Warrior was hyped by Nintendo itself so it did very well. I thought it underperformed and they had to give out their unsold copies to Nintendo Power subscribers.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 16:16:59 2021 No.8376968 >>8376372 love me dq girls

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 16:21:33 2021 No.8376980 File: 2.00 MB, 1916x880, Zurbonohzame.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8376968 >>8376372 Cleric is very pretty

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 16:25:41 2021 No.8376991 >>8376980 All DQ girls are, but I love Priest, Sage and Thief the most

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 16:51:40 2021 No.8377063

>>8376626
They did have to give them away, first DQ was boring as hell so it's not surprising. Besides the iconic music and graphics, which you could experience thoroughly in a few hours, the game itself was a snorefest. No surprise they had to dump the extras, westerners weren't impressed by such an easy game whose only impediment against the win screen was how much time you spent pressing A and walking around. And they put this out against Zelda? Forget it. Even in Japan Zelda outsold the first DQ and that was on disk system to boot. Put them both on carts and sell them next to each other at the same time (as it was in NA at the time) and nobody is gonna stick around to watch you snooze your way across alefgard no matter how pleasant the energy is from that game.

Not sure why DQ2-4 bit it, I would guess boredom at the format combined with releasing way too late in the system lifespan. Like get a fucking mega drive at that point, ditch that RPG shit.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 16:59:32 2021 No.8377091

>>8369582
>Cecil is out for redemption and stopping an evil empire, not really revenge per se.
It's still a much grander scale of personal introspection and atonement. You're not just trying to stop badman, you're trying to prove you're not a badman to yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 23:09:51 2021 No.8377980 >>8377063 none of this makes any sense but thanks for the blog post bump lmao

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 23:18:05 2021 No.8377994

>>8377063
I can't really prove this so its just conjecture on my part but I think what happened to the Dragon Warriors on NES in America is an age gap between the Japanese and American player base. The Famicom hit Japan in 1983, so a bunch of kids playing at the time would have been born in the 70s. American kids of that same age would have started gaming right in the middle of the crash of 83 and most of them moved to home computers like the Commodore 64. This meant the NES scaled younger overall. A few years age difference in the player base like that could cause a big problem for text heavy games like Dragon Quest when localized. By the time the SNES rolled around this stopped being a problem because all those kids were older by then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 23:21:05 2021 No.8378002 >>8368984 some say the original Final Fantasy had the most advanced graphics ever seen in a videogame at that time

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Anonymous Wed Dec 1 00:53:10 2021 No.8378153

In my opinion DQ3 is the most DQ of all DQ and is the one most referenced in animes to this day! And it is very present in Japanese culture in general. After playing I understood why...
Sadly that is the one that never made into the west back then... So most people who don't know jack about anything "think" the series sucks. Their only reference for RPG is FF anything that differs they complain by saying it isn't a real RPG...

>>8369006
That is an interesting take, would you elaborate?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 01:27:58 2021 No.8378219 >>8378153 >Sadly DQ3 is the one that never made into the west back then... Anon...

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 01:29:54 2021 No.8378227 >>8375835 Thanks. Good to know, really. But I'll probably play those in their order, anyhow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 01:35:45 2021 No.8378237 >>8378153 >That is an interesting take, would you elaborate? Please don't get the anti-localization anon started. Also everything is wrong in your post, DQ 3 was released in America on the NES and GB

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 01:40:06 2021 No.8378246 >>8378219 The one for NES made it in America. right? But not South America and Europe, plus the SNES version never came.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 01:41:47 2021 No.8378252 >>8378237 America = "The West"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 01:51:16 2021 No.8378267 >>8378246 >>8378252 America is the leader of the West. Are you coping or something?

>>	DQ Wed Dec 1 02:31:40 2021 No.8378334 File: 72 KB, 500x250, dq4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is the slime in the center doing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 02:33:00 2021 No.8378336 >>8378334 Fuck that asshole slime that's stealing her helmet. I'm gonna kill him and take it for myself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 02:37:10 2021 No.8378342 File: 569 KB, 2048x1536, EISlUClXkAA58aa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8376372 This man gets it. DQ bros and FF bros should band together to celebrate, not hate.

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 09:29:51 2021 No.8378851

>>8378237
>Also everything is wrong in your post, DQ 3 was released in America on the NES and G
btw, not that anon and not disputing you. I just want to reiterate what others have mentioned in that DQ3 was released on NES in North America, but very late. It was a 1988 game released in 1992. It's not that people didn't play it, but it wasn't popular or much talked-about. Stores were giving prime space for Super Nintendo and Genesis games, putting them up front while moving the NES stuff to the back. It was easy to overlook, if it was even stocked at all in the stores where you shopped. Magazines probably didn't review it at all, and if they did it certainly wasn't going to get a feature spot (like Final Fantasy IV).
>>8378153
>So most people who don't know jack about anything "think" the series sucks.
Most people just don't think about it at all. It's not my impression that the series has a bad reputation at all. It just has a reputation for being very conservative and evolving slowly, which is partly why the series has a more definitive identity now than many other RPG franchises, especially Final Fantasy. Dragon Quest XI is still delivering the same kind of classic RPG experience to its fans that the original game did. Final Fantasy has been divergent since the early 2000s and modern Final Fantasy games bear almost no gameplay resemblance at all to the series' classics. In 2021, Final Fantasy basically is just the label Square-Enix slaps on their most expensive project.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 10:01:38 2021 No.8378908 >>8378252 Yes

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 15:31:27 2021 No.8379576 >>8368956 Dragon Warrior literally came with the NES in '89.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 21:47:37 2021 No.8380516 >>8379236 >>8379892 Nice art >>8378851 Yep All This makes sense

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 21:51:40 2021 No.8380528 >>8378002 some would have a poor understanding of history

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 23:57:17 2021 No.8380885 Another problem with DQ is that the games never change or evolve. You could show a person a screenshot from something like DQ7 and they might think you're showing them a SNES or NES game with how little improvements there are.

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Anonymous Thu Dec 2 08:19:57 2021 No.8381750

Final Fantasy always had strong openings. Even when the story went to shit like in FFIV, the beginning of the games were always very solid which grabbed people. DQ meanwhile, at least past the first game, has a kind of meandering atmosphere where you're goal feels somewhat incidental to experiencing the world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 11:50:24 2021 No.8382367 File: 168 KB, 477x540, DQ8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8368956 As someone who only played DQ8 back when it first hit PS2, Whats the best versions to play the older one and which ones should I tackle first

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 20:19:19 2021 No.8383881 >>8381750 FF4 is overrated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:31:30 2021 No.8384282 >>8382367 Dragon Quest I - III: The Super Famicom ports with translations Dragon Quest IV - VI & IX: DS Dragon Quest VII: PlayStation or 3DS

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:34:46 2021 No.8384287 >>8382367 Don't bother about play order, the games aren't connected at all except the first three games and even then they're only connected by geography and lore, and besides IV-VII are the peak anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 22:44:47 2021 No.8384323 early DQ weren't as polished and character driven as FF, even FF had a hard time catching on until 7 appared

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 23:18:09 2021 No.8384397 >>8378851 I agree, basically what I tried to convey on: >>8378153 But far more eloquently! Very good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 02:55:32 2021 No.8384934 >>8383881 Nope. Especially not in the context of that post which is specifically about the intro.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 02:58:57 2021 No.8384945 >>8384323 Of all DQ games the only ones that are not polished are DQII due to a short developing time and DQVI where Horii sated that he would liked to explain more in game stuff like Barbara being the Golden Dragon and some Milly and Rubiss connection.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 03:06:28 2021 No.8384965 >>8384934 >You're not allowed to have an opinion. Fuck off, Cecil is a mope, The Active Time Battle System sucks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 03:57:19 2021 No.8385097 >>8378851 play one DQ and you played them all.

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 06:12:06 2021 No.8385315
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>>8384965
Grow some balls and stop complaining about what I'm "allowing" you to say.
I don't care if you hate FF4. At least you aren't parroting meme criticisms. But the game is mostly underrated by people who dismiss the combat and pacing, overrate the importance of party customization, underrate the customization available, ignore the quality of music, sound, animation, and special effects while assessing presentation, and most of all larp as serious lit critics of an adolescent cartoon story with fewer words than a Star Wars movie.
>The Active Time Battle System sucks.
The ATB in IV is great and the whole game is designed around it. It was a new and exciting idea back in 1991 and was successful enough to become the standard for the franchise for the next decade.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 07:01:56 2021 No.8385418 >>8385315 >I don't care if you hate FF4 >Writes a novella defending it. The game was boring.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 08:15:49 2021 No.8385585 >>8385418 not that guy but you're a faggot and ffiv is based fr

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:26:07 2021 No.8385808 >>8385585 this is how you deal with contrarians lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 00:33:53 2021 No.8387824 >>8368956 It is popular

Anonymous Sat Dec 4 00:48:29 2021 No.8387857

>>8369617
>spell names that are complete nonsense like "Hurt" and "Hurtmore"
Those are, by definition, the most straightforward names possible for spells. Not at all nonsense. Sure, it doesn't fit the theme well, and it's very uncreative, but "nonsense" is not the correct word to describe those spell names.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 00:52:33 2021 No.8387867 >>8370659 >>8369617 >>8387857 You're telling me "Zoom!" isn't the best spell name ever? But everyone here uses it! Captcha: RAGAR

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 01:12:05 2021 No.8387912 >>8369768 Blizzinga is garbage but Flipsy, Flopsy, Oopsie, Whoopsie-Doodle, Ishkabibble, Dingle-Dangle, Peanus Weanus, and Kachow are in fact worse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 04:19:46 2021 No.8388221 >>8368979 I don't get the Dragon Quest appeal, specially the music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 04:38:33 2021 No.8388240 >>8368956 Ask me how i know you weren't over 3 in 1992.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 04:39:51 2021 No.8388243 >>8369582 You're pretty dumb. I don't believe you played a FF before 6, honestly.

Anonymous Sat Dec 4 04:43:29 2021 No.8388249

>>8374604
You're a goddamn retard. Ads. Really? For FF6 and before? For any DQ before 8? Holy fuck you're the stupidest people on this website. Stop talking about a country tou know nothing about, especially about things that happened before your balls dropped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 04:44:54 2021 No.8388252 >>8375412 Witness another retarded child with zero knowledge of literally anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 04:46:21 2021 No.8388254 >>8376478 >uses the turn of the millennium installment >still misses the mark This website is dead. We should have gatekept way harder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 04:56:24 2021 No.8388276 >>8385097 name 2 mainline dragon quest games that are completely identical in game mechanics

Anonymous Sat Dec 4 05:01:04 2021 No.8388284

DQ almost always felt way, way more grindy to me than FF with the only possible exception being FF II. Enix had this weird obsession with thinking that crossing a new bridge and spending the next two hours grinding for exp and gold made for a good experience. I still enjoy the older games but I can't get through them these days without using an emulator for the speed toggle.

Except DQ VII. Fuck that one. I can't believe they actually tried to make "over 100 hours of story!" a selling point on the case when it's the same handful of hours on loop for the entire game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 05:44:26 2021 No.8388341 >>8388249 FF6 did have primetime TV ads you underage retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 12:18:22 2021 No.8388949 >>8378246 The SNES did fine in Latinamerica, it was especially popular in Mexico, only countries I think it didn't make it were Argentina due to it not having an official game market and Brazil due to SEGA making it big first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 12:25:34 2021 No.8388963 >>8388249 https://youtu.be/d15qmRzn2Pc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 12:27:57 2021 No.8388972 Didn’t we have this same thread recently? Whatever. I guess the game was just too slow and confusing for westerners at the time. FF1 probably just got the better marketing and exposure

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 12:36:35 2021 No.8388992 >>8388972 The R in /vr/ doesn't stand for Retro but Repeat

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 16:03:06 2021 No.8389383 >>8376502 Seethe harder you stupid cuck faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 16:04:42 2021 No.8389387 FFIV is peak jrpg. FFVI is too heavy-handed. DQ games are too story-sparse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 16:07:07 2021 No.8389397 there's an extreme lack of DQ3 girls in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 00:53:04 2021 No.8390765 >>8368956 Final Fantasy wasn't that popular in the west until 6-7.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 00:54:06 2021 No.8390767 >>8388949 >I think it didn't make it were Argentina due to it not having an official game market It was released officially in Argentina, but the Genesis was still more popular even SEGA channel was available here.

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 01:12:17 2021 No.8390793

>>8368987
>IIRC Final Fantasy was very much a niche game in the States until FFVII.
Final Fantasy II & III (IV & VI) were immensely popular in the west. The video game scene itself may have been relatively niche in the early 90s, but Final Fantasy was never niche in the video game scene.

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 01:21:15 2021 No.8390803

>>8369034
>They look 1 gen apart
Which gen would you place each in, exactly? They're in a different overall style-- a comparison in which FF7's pre-rendered backgrounds and 3D models in combat was indeed more innovative given the history of JRPGs at the time-- but they're both unmistakably PS1 games when compared to their predecessors and descendants.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 01:51:03 2021 No.8390848 >>8390793 what do you retards who were born in 2005 or later get out of posting retarded shit like this. like what actually compels you to go on boards filled with people who were actually alive at the times you're talking about and post such dumb shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 02:00:26 2021 No.8390874 >>8388249 Um, 4chan is an American website. Presumably most people on it are Americans?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 02:02:57 2021 No.8390879 >>8390848 Wanting to partake in a superior culture. I actually pity zoomers, almost every one of them were born after the good times ended.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 04:13:05 2021 No.8391057 >>8388949 I wans't saying that the console SNES didn't make to Latin America... I meant the SNES version of DQ3 game didn't make it....

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 04:18:01 2021 No.8391059 >>8391057 Serves me right for posting on 4chan right after waking up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 04:33:55 2021 No.8391076 Is there a JARPG? An rpg with arpg fighting, but jrpg mechanics?

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 05:51:59 2021 No.8391169

>>8368956
I was born in 92 and grew up on the NES, and my dad had both DQ 1 and FF1 in his library, so I got to experience them side-by-side without any external factors. Dragon Quest is like the Playskool to Final Fantasy's Lego. FF had 4 player characters on screen with big groups of enemies, so every encounter was way more complex than anything in DQ. The grind in DQ was incredibly boring, and I tried numerous times over the years to give it a shot until it "got good" but it never did. Whereas FF wows you out of the gate with building and naming a party, shows a quick intro, and then you're in the action.

I didn't even like FF all that much to be honest, and DQ was a snoozefest. I think this is a fair comparison, and a big reason why the series failed here in the US. DQ comes out, everyone says "This boring game is crap compared to FF" and then nobody batted an eye when DQ II was eventually released. They really screwed the pooch by waiting so long to port it to the West. Now I'm sure DQ improved over time and the games got better, but man the first game is boring as shit.

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 06:15:20 2021 No.8391205

>>8390848
You fucking retard do you not realize we live in an age where data is openly available to shut down your bullshit? Both IV and VI sold several hundred thousand copies in the US alone. That is far from a niche game. No, of course they weren't as popular as something like Mario or Zelda but they don't have to be. Nobody ever claimed FF was setting records before VII but it was still popular.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 06:19:47 2021 No.8391213 >>8390874 Hiroyuki Nishimura owns 4ch

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 11:44:37 2021 No.8391962 love waking up, opening /vr/ and seeing OPs pic ty

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 11:59:01 2021 No.8392004 >>8391076 The Magic of Scheherazade

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 12:00:27 2021 No.8392009

>>8391205
>>8390793
>Final Fantasy II & III (IV & VI) were immensely popular in the west.
Final Fantasy was never immensely popular, Sonic, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Doom, Madden, NBA Jam, Mario, Myst, and Donkey Kong Country, were games that were immensely popular at the time. No one was ever talking about or even playing some jrpg outside of niche fanbase.
>The video game scene itself may have been relatively niche in the early 90s
And this is where you truly revealed yourself at the idiot fucking retard larper you are. You're dumb enough to think games were some hidden away nerds only clique, so 200k sales was huge, when they were far and away the most popular form of entertainment even then. And because you wouldn't be alive for another 15 years, you obviously have no context or frame of reference. Early to mid 90s was not only the boom of the home industry with Sega challenging and overtaking Nintendo, but also arcades last breath as fighting games carried them.
So no, you're not going to try to tell people who were actually alive at that time, a time when your dad himself probably hadn't graduated high school, that games were just a little niche hobby. All because you can't accept that these CLASSIC ALL TIME GREAT GAMES some YouTuber told you were a life altering hit, were actually a footnote until Sony pumped millions into advertising 7.
Fuck you.

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 12:26:45 2021 No.8392115

>>8392009
>still trying to play the seniority card
Look faggot, that doesn't work when facts state that you're wrong. You seem to be under the impression that anything which wasn't Mario, Zelda, Sonic, etc. don't count as popular and that anything which isn't popular must be niche.

You're wrong. No amount of petulance or pulling an overly-verbose "heh, kid" card will change that.

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 16:25:36 2021 No.8392826

>>8391169
>DQ comes out, everyone says "This boring game is crap compared to FF"

Dragon Warrior (we did not call them Quest then) came out several months before Final Fantasy though. I played both as a kid when they were new-ish, and did so in that order. I was the right age to be blown away by both, so I loved them both. Dragon Warrior didn't need to be complex because it was amazing enough that the genre even existed. The genre was its entire selling point for me and that was more than enough, believe it or not. Final Fantasy, as you say, felt like a big advancement past Dragon Warrior and was the best game ever as far as I could tell. There was plenty of room for both. But yeah I don't expect many people would have wanted to play them in the reverse order.

Dragon Warrior II was great too but it wasn't mind-blowing like those first two were. "Final Fantasy II" for SNES was though, and then "Final Fantasy III" did it again (that opera!). FF7 would have been amazing to me too I guess, if I'd still been young enough to completely fall into these games.

Not trying to argue anything in particular here (except that Dragon Warrior was awesome in its time), just rambling

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 21:47:57 2021 No.8393823
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>>8378851
>Final Fantasy basically is just the label Square-Enix slaps on their most expensive project.

nails it perfectly. No one really "hates" FF games, some are fun. But we hate CONSOOOOOOMER culture, and FF is the 'Soomer's choice. I blame shit like pic-related on FF games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 22:11:13 2021 No.8393874 >>8391962 kek

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 22:36:33 2021 No.8393910

>>8392009
He's not really wrong. Video games were popular during the 16 bit era no doubt but there was a giant shift in the landscape a few years into the PS1's life. You can tell just by comparing the console's launch window atmosphere to what it looked like in 1998. The PS1's entire personality shifted from more "video gamey" fare of NBA Jam and Jumping Flash to something entirely different. The sales numbers in the industry in general, not just FFVII, went absolutely ballistic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 22:43:53 2021 No.8393925 >>8392009 Most of this is factually wrong but the layers of mental illness within all that seething runs deep

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 22:49:37 2021 No.8393937

>>8393910
Sort of true. Market size was increasing over time. Population was increasing, videogames were getting cheaper, buying power was increasing, etc. But it's not quite as dramatic as you claim and more importantly doesn't address the order-of-magnitude difference in popularity between JRPGs and mainstream games like Street Fighter and Super Mario in western markets, a disparity that did not exist in Japan (and for Final Fantasy, a disparity that disappeared with the release of Final Fantasy VII).

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 22:58:40 2021 No.8393952

>>8393925
It's not factually wrong.
>>8392115
He's not wrong. Street Fighter II and Sonic the Hedgehog sold 2 million. Final Fantasy IV barely cleared 200k (in fact iirc it didn't). That's an order of magnitude difference. There's no world where it's unreasonable to call 200k small next to 2 million.

200k is a pretty good number and The Final Fantasy fanbase was passionate (I posted screenshot of a fansite above, from 1996). People in the US who liked Final Fantasy, loved it. But you're seriously out of your mind if you think Final Fantasy was anything other than a niche. A large, significant niche is still a niche.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 23:20:09 2021 No.8394003 >>8393952 Street Fighter II sold way more than 2 million. It may have been the best selling non-pack-in title on the SNES. That said, it was a giant outlier.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 23:21:16 2021 No.8394006 >>8394003 I'm talking US sales only around 1992

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 5 23:23:41 2021 No.8394012 >>8393952 You can't really be like "oh it was a BIG niche" if you're not going to define where the boundaries are. Then it's just a game of semantics. Were RPGs the most popular genre on the SNES and Genesis? No. Did they sell poorly? Also no.

Anonymous Sun Dec 5 23:36:46 2021 No.8394038

I also want to point out that saying "Genre X was mainstream/niche" is kind of a bad place to start anyway since it heavily depends on the franchise. People might look at Street Fighter II's sales numbers and be inclined to say "fighting games" were popular. But in reality it was Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat that were popular. Maaaybe TMNT Tournament Fighters. I doubt the SNES port of Samurai Shodown sold even as many copies as Final Fantasy II.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 00:47:09 2021 No.8394186 >>8385808 Liking FFIV is the opposite of contrarian. It's even one of the developers' favorite entries. Is "contrarian" a mandatory word you must use on reditt or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 05:18:09 2021 No.8394587 >>8394186 I think you missed the flow of the conversation, the guy who said "ffiv is based" is obviously not the contrarian but responding to one

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 06:04:55 2021 No.8394640

>>8393952
>He's not wrong.
He is.
>Street Fighter II and Sonic the Hedgehog sold 2 million. Final Fantasy IV barely cleared 200k (in fact iirc it didn't). That's an order of magnitude difference. There's no world where it's unreasonable to call 200k small next to 2 million.
I already addressed that. You both seem to be attempting to make the point that just because it wasn't huge means it was small. If something isn't popular it must be niche.
>But you're seriously out of your mind if you think Final Fantasy was anything other than a niche. A large, significant niche is still a niche.
Oh, so you're retarded as well. Learn what words mean before you use them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 08:07:39 2021 No.8394814 >>8368956 generic DQ3 warrior female looks like THAT?!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 08:18:15 2021 No.8394826 File: 200 KB, 793x900, 2012-02-05-473092.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8394814 Yes.

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Anonymous Mon Dec 6 11:53:47 2021 No.8395329

>>8394640
>You both seem to be attempting to make the point that just because it wasn't huge means it was small
You're the retard who said the games were "immensely popular" and have been desperately trying to walk that back even since people who were actually fucking alive at the time told you how dumb you are, while also still for some reason also claiming you're still right about everything.
>If something isn't popular it must be niche.
Yes retard that's literally how it fucking works. Once again shit the fuck up after things you were not alive for, and have no experience with outside of YouTube videos and looking at sales charts. No one gives a fuck what you think, because it's wrong, and all you can do is whine about how people call you the idiot kid you are when you say such stupid things.
Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 11:56:20 2021 No.8395335 >>8368956 Final fantasy had better aesthetics

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 11:57:28 2021 No.8395337

>>8395329
>You're the retard who said the games were "immensely popular"
I'm not and I wont defend the use of that term which is why I didn't mention it. I responded to you and your retardation. Try again.
>still trying to play the seniority card
>still can't argue anything other than "y-y-you kid..."
Shut the fuck up, facts disagree with you. It's nobody's fault but your own that you're out of touch with reality and have grossly clueless standards as to what it means to be popular or niche.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:02:37 2021 No.8395354

>>8395337
I'm not going to waste my time telling an idiot who revels in his own stupidity how stupid he is so he can jerk off to it.
I will say that the fact you, a person who clearly was not alive and wouldn't be for at least another 10 years past the frame of time were talking about, is trying to tell people who were actually alive at the time, about the culture of that time, is why this board is in the shit state it's in. I will degrade everything you say by calling you an idiot child, because you are.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:04:26 2021 No.8395360

>>8395329
They were at least popular enough for most publishers to go through the trouble of localizing most of them. There has to be at least 40 RPGs on the SNES in America, which is not insignificant. There are probably more RPGs than shootemups and puzzle games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:07:48 2021 No.8395369 >>8395354 >k-k-kid... Why are you still arguing? You're wrong. No matter how much you beat your head against this wall nothing is going to change. Facts disagree with your out-of-touch notions.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:17:13 2021 No.8395382

>>8394012
>You can't really be like "oh it was a BIG niche" if you're not going to define where the boundaries are.
You can dispute a claim that it was "immensely popular" which is exactly what happened here.
>>8394038
>People might look at Street Fighter II's sales numbers and be inclined to say "fighting games" were popular.
That is a reasonable thing to say, though. Fighting games WERE popular. Clones and shovelware didn't put up SF2 or MK numbers by any means, but they were selling well as the long tail goes. Clay Fighter sold 200k copies, which is a lot for a parody clone. It sold well for a clone because fighting games were very popular in the early-mid 90s.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:18:22 2021 No.8395383

>>8395369
>>8395354
>>8395337
>>8395329
>>8394640
>>8393925
>>8392115
>>8392009
>>8391205
>>8390848
>>8388249
>>8385315
>>8370368
How do you dipshits live with arguing about this pointless shit. You could've written a book but instead bitched about jrpg's

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:30:06 2021 No.8395414

>>8395382
>You can dispute a claim that it was "immensely popular" which is exactly what happened here.
Using that exact term was stupid but that's the only stupid thing you can call out from that statement. JRPGs have never been niche. From the time gaming got big(the NES) they've been at least somewhat popular. The issue here is complete neanderthals who don't seem to understand that not everything needs to be broken down into extremes. It's more than just popular or niche. There's a massive spectrum between the two.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:33:30 2021 No.8395418

>>8395382
>Fighting games WERE popular. Clones and shovelware didn't put up SF2 or MK numbers by any means, but they were selling well as the long tail goes.
Were they though? There were a shit ton of fighting games coming out at the time thanks to the follow the leader trend but most of them barely registered. It was a "popular" genre by virtue of popularity leakage from MK and Street Fighter, which is the nuance I was trying to convey.

>Clay Fighter sold 200k copies, which is a lot for a parody clone.
Now wait a minute. You can't be like 200k is "a lot" for Clay Fighter but then be like "but it's not a lot for RPGs." Chrono Trigger sold 300k.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:34:37 2021 No.8395423 >>8395418 To clarify the first point. Tetris is one of the most popular games of all time. But I wouldn't say puzzle games were "popular" in general on the NES and SNES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 12:36:01 2021 No.8395431 >retard zoomer makes a stupid post >boomers call him a retard, and tell him to shut up >retard zoomer ruins the rest of the thread trying to convince everyone he's actually right many such cases

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 13:39:33 2021 No.8395581

>>8395360
>There has to be at least 40 RPGs on the SNES in America, which is not insignificant
Once you filter ARPGs and ports of western computer games like Ultima and Wizardry, you're left with less than half that:

Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest
Breath of Fire
Breath of Fire II
Lufia & the Fortress of Doom
Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
Earthbound
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Paladin's Quest
*Inindo: Way of the Ninja
The 7th Saga
Tecmo Secret of the Stars
Arcana
*Robotrek

* Wiki says these games had North American releases, but I don't remember ever seeing them available to rent or buy.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 14:02:26 2021 No.8395619

>>8395418
>Now wait a minute. You can't be like 200k is "a lot" for Clay Fighter but then be like "but it's not a lot for RPGs." Chrono Trigger sold 300k.
Yes I can, because I understand the difference between a parody knock-off trying to cash in on a like Clay Fighter, trend and genre leaders like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest (both of which sold millions in Japan).
>here were a shit ton of fighting games coming out at the time thanks to the follow the leader trend but most of them barely registered.
They registered more than the off-brand JRPGs, that's the point. Good luck even finding North American sales numbers for Lufia or 7th Saga.

Also, you have to realize that there's a lot that people who were there can tell about popularity that just can't be conveyed through numbers alone. Fighting Games were popular in the sense that everybody knew about them and talked about them. Kids would play doing street fighter moves on each other and talk about it at school. Game Magazines would feature Fighting Game artwork on front pages more often than other games. There would be crowds around the cabinets at the arcade. Walking into a games store you'd see displays featuring the most popular games.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 14:08:58 2021 No.8395634

>>8395619
>Also, you have to realize that there's a lot that people who were there can tell about popularity that just can't be conveyed through numbers alone.
Give one example of a game which was popular to the degree of the industry giants but didn't have the sales numbers alongside it. Your example falls flat because Street Fighter sold a fuckton of copies.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 14:25:41 2021 No.8395674

>>8395423
"Puzzle games" is a much larger umbrella than any of the other genres we're talking about. Lolo is very different from Tetris. Meanwhile, DQ-style JRPGs and SF2-style 2D fighting games are specific genres with obvious design templates. Everyone knows exactly what you mean when you say SF2-clone or DQ-clone.
(Aside, I seem to recall puzzle games being very popular on the NES. Dr. Mario was clearly trying to capture the Tetris audience.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 14:26:56 2021 No.8395680 >>8395634 >Also

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 14:29:41 2021 No.8395687 File: 190 KB, 611x864, 1564042520143.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] PS sorry to thread for nerding out about relative popularity of JRPGs and Fighting Games. Have a cleric.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 14:34:45 2021 No.8395695 >>8395680 Changes nothing about the point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 14:59:03 2021 No.8395759 >>8395695 So you conceded the main point to nitpick phrasing and lack of autistic explanaytions on the bonus perspective. Great, I'll rest my case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:07:07 2021 No.8395773 >>8395759 I'm not sure if delusional concessions are one step above or below your repeated fallacies but I'll at least give you credit for a slightly different approach. Still no points to be made however.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:09:14 2021 No.8395780 >>8395581 Why would you filter that as if they don't count?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:10:23 2021 No.8395787 >>8395780 Why else? Because they're trying to force a narrative and will go through whatever mental gymnastics are required to avoid admitting they're wrong.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:16:14 2021 No.8395810

Hell, even among the RPGs that weren't localized, the reasons were logistical rather than worries that they'd underperform. FFV and Seiken Densetsu 2 were both on the table but timing problems interfered. Some games like Tales of Phantasia and Star Ocean were just too late in the SNES's life. The extra time it took to localize RPGs was a far bigger obstacle than sales numbers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:17:14 2021 No.8395816 >>8395810 *Seiken Densetsu 3

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Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:24:45 2021 No.8395836

>>8395619
>Yes I can, because I understand the difference between a parody knock-off trying to cash in on a like Clay Fighter, trend and genre leaders like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest (both of which sold millions in Japan).
That makes no sense. Clay Fighter being a parody (of what? It was "funny" sure but it sold itself more on the claymation gimmick than any specific game it was parodying) doesn't change the calculus that it was a fighting game that sold 200,000. To be like "its good for Clay Fighter but not good for an RPG" is just deliberate tomfoolery in a conversation about where the line is between good sales/bad sales.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:42:58 2021 No.8395902
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Final Fantasy 1 sold a little better on the NES than the Famicom. FFII sold 300,000 in America. Mystic Quest split sales 50/50 between the two territories. The series was always a solid performer in the west. The series up until this article's publication moved 2.2 million units in America and that's with the handicap of half the games not coming out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:47:54 2021 No.8395923 >>8395902 But anon it didn't sell several million copies. That means it's niche because nothing outside of extremes exist. Don't you know anything?

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 15:54:25 2021 No.8395939

>>8395923
Heh. I'm not even really taking a stand on the niche issue because depending on how you want to set the boundaries, it's entirely possible to plausibly argue that with the exception of the absolute sensations like Mario and Street Fighter, the vast majority of the video gaming landscape was "niche" until the PS1 simply by virtue of most people over a certain age treating them as electronic toys with little ability to identify any character not wearing a red cap and overalls. We're talking back in the days where every video game system was "a Nintendo" to most baby boomers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:00:24 2021 No.8395951 >>8392009 okay comparing it to SF etc, but calling it "niche" is completely retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:06:54 2021 No.8395975 I feel like we have to remove Street Fighter from the conversation because it warps the perception of what gaming in general was like at the time. It was too much of an outlier. Same goes for any pack-in title.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:11:23 2021 No.8395987

>>8395923
>>8395939
>>8395951
Niche means your product targets a specific market and has almost no appeal outside it. Things like Dungeons and Dragons, and Magic the Gathering sold multiple millions worth of products and were still niche.
If you people need to delude yourself that JRPGs we're some huge blockbuster level game releases when none of you were even alive then that's fine, but they weren't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:22:22 2021 No.8396023 >>8395987 >If you people need to delude yourself that JRPGs we're some huge blockbuster level game releases Who the hell ever said that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:23:23 2021 No.8396026 >>8395987 >Niche means your product targets a specific market and has almost no appeal outside it. So all video games until around 1997 or so...

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:27:50 2021 No.8396039

>>8396023
The retard who has refused to accept that something is either popular with broad appeal, or niche with a very targeted and static fanbase, and that there isn't some ethereal middle zone of things that weren't popular but everyone still somehow knew about and talked about all the time
>>8396026
No, games were plenty mainstream and popular before the year you were unfortunately born.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:32:29 2021 No.8396051 >>8396039 Again, every adult in the early 90s called Genesis "a Nintendo." You're the one who clearly wasn't born. If you weren't under a certain age, video games barely registered on your radar unless you had kids.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:34:55 2021 No.8396056 >>8396051 >Again, every adult in the early 90s called Genesis "a Nintendo." Sure they did little buddy, keep telling everyone even more about a period of life you only know from movies.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:40:59 2021 No.8396070 >>8396056 Stop being a retard and have a conversation or be a retard in another thread, please.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:44:26 2021 No.8396081 >>8375264 They just need to have a way to lower the encounter rate. No bonus dungeon is fun if you are only able to take 3 to 10 steps between every battle

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:44:40 2021 No.8396083 >>8396070 So sorry your fantastic /v/ tier contributions to this thread of dumping tangentially nsfw pictures of anime women is being interrupted

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>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 16:56:38 2021 No.8396117 File: 2.19 MB, 1850x2150, white_mage.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8396083 Simple as, anon

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Anonymous Mon Dec 6 17:25:57 2021 No.8396197
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>>8395780
>>8395787
Because we're comparing with Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, which are turn-based JRPGs. It's not like the point changes much if you include shit like Drakkhen and Legend of Zelda to inflate your numbers.
No Dragon Quest.
No Romancing SaGa.
No Final Fantasy V.
7 of the top 12 best-selling SNES RPGs were not localized (during 4th gen).
>>8395836
>doesn't change the calculus that it was a fighting game that sold 200,000
Yes, I know you are still failing to understand the point.
> just deliberate tomfoolery in a conversation about where the line is between good sales/bad sales.
Final Fantasy VI is Square's flagship franchise. It's the most popular JRPG on the console and is a title with enduring popularity and regular heavily-commented threads on /vr/, was barely more popular (sales-wise) in the US during the mid-90s than a B-tier Street Fighter clone that nobody remembers. That's what I'm saying.

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Anonymous Mon Dec 6 17:42:10 2021 No.8396246

>>8395975
>We have to ignore a glaring example that proves my point wrong
Anon, I get it. You think gaming was a smaller market in the early 90s than the late 90s. And you're right, it was. But even granting that frame of reference, there was a shift the perception of and popularity JRPGs relative to other games between the early 90s and late 90s, specifically with Final Fantasy VII and Pokemon Red&Blue.

But Street Fighter was not some weird outlier. Fighting Games were extremely popular in the early 90s. They were a new genre that hadn't existed before and people were excited about it.

>any pack-in title.
Pack-in titles were picked because they were popular games that everyone wanted to play and would drive console sales. Mortal Kombat games sold as well as Street Fighter in the US and were not pack-in titles. NBA Jam was another huge game in the US that was not a pack-in title. Everybody in the US who knew videogames, knew about NBA Jam. Only RPG nerds knew about Final Fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 18:23:41 2021 No.8396361 >>8396246 Is it strange that I didn't know anything about or any character from Street Fighter until getting MvC on Dreamcast in 2000? I was born in 91 and had a Genesis and then N64 prior, for reference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 19:22:00 2021 No.8396489 >>8396232 >>8396117 >>8396057 >>8395819 >>8395783 >>8395687 gulp Mommy giv milk milk

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 19:52:55 2021 No.8396551 >>8396051 Obviously your dumb hick family and neighbors did. In civilized places, the Genesis was called a Sega.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 20:06:14 2021 No.8396592 >>8368956 Battle system put people off. Final Fantasy was more visual and easier for normies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 20:10:15 2021 No.8396597 >>8396361 Not really, you were a bit young to be aware of the fighting game fad when it hit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 20:18:07 2021 No.8396612 America already had Wizardry and Ultima. Why would they care for a shitty knock off?

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 20:25:33 2021 No.8396626

>>8396051
Everyone called the PS1, Dreamcast, XBOX, and PS2 a "Nintendo" also. The massive popularity of arcade gaming to the point where every single Gen Xer can recognize Donkey Kong or Pac-Man outright debunks the idea that video games were a niche hobby.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 20:33:44 2021 No.8396642

>>8396197
That isn't relevant to the issue though. Whether or not one game is a flagship while another was farted out doesn't matter when what we're talking about is what counts as "good" sales. If Clay Fighter sold 200,000 and FFII US sold 300,000 then both Clay Fighter and FFII US sold "well" by SNES standards. As well as 1.5 million? Obviously not. But that just means the 1.5 million seller performed better, not that the 300,000 sales is low.

Again, leading up to the release of FFIII US, the franchise moved 2.2 million units in America and that's without a whole bunch of games ever releasing. How is that not an admirable performer? It doesn't have to match the Japanese numbers to quality as solid. Squaresoft even had enough confidence is the branding to apply it to the SaGa games when they were localized.

>>8396246
I'm saying they should be ignored because their numbers are inflated because a lot of the games were "bought" when people got the console. Sure, Super Mario World would have sold like crazy even without being a pack in, but obviously the numbers are especially high because everyone got a copy with their SNES. Street Fighter II is the outlier for selling those kind of numbers without being a pack in. It's pretty much the only game though. The follow ups SFII Turbo and Super SFII sold much lower, especially Super.

Again, we're talking what counts as "good" sales on the SNES. To figure that out you have to compare it to the totality of the games on the system, not just the best selling ones of all time. The vast majority of SNES games didn't crack 100,000.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 20:36:12 2021 No.8396652 >>8396626 Gen Xers were kids when Pac-Man and Donkey Kong came out. It was a kid hobby until the 90s when the Atari VCS kids became the first batch of adults playing video games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 20:47:17 2021 No.8396674 >>8396652 When I say Gen X I mean people born in the 60s that played those arcade games when they were in their early 20s.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 6 21:04:00 2021 No.8396694 >>8396674 That's pretty borderline. The mid 60s is where the transition was between the youngest baby boomers and oldest gen xers. It's anecdotal but in my own experience anyone born before 1970 just plain doesn't play video games as a hobby.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 21:15:23 2021 No.8396716

>>8396694
Dad was born in '53 and he's the biggest gamer nerd I've ever met. Got the NES in 1988 and never looked back. But yeah Boomers tend to enjoy more passive entertainment or group stuff. They're way less socially awkward and reclusive than we are.

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 21:48:16 2021 No.8396793

>>8396674
>>8396694
I'm late GenX ('79) and everyone fucking knew Donkey Kong and Pac-Man. The arcade cabinets for those games were everywhere (especially Pac-Man) and many probably played them on home computer, Atari, or Coleco.
My father (a 1950s boomer) loved arcade games. Pac-Man, Mr. Do!, Space Invaders, Asteroids, that Vector Star Wars game. We watched The Last Starfighter together when I was a kid. He liked gun games, too, like Operation Wolf. He didn't take to platformers, especially games with momentum and physics like Super Mario, but he loved Tetris and played the shit out of it when we finally got a NES. Eventually he got really into fantasy football and stopped playing videogames pretty much entirely during 4th gen, apart from occasionally Tetris and Minesweeper on windows.
Another boomer dad I know played Skyrim at launch (and I think maybe World of Warcraft). No idea if he still plays or what other videogames he played when he was younger. His kids were girls though, and they didn't play videogames.

Yes, there were adults that would call any videogame console a "Nintendo" but those were usually women/moms or silents and older. Boomers didn't grow up with videogames, but most of them were still pretty youthful when arcades started getting big, and were at the point of having disposable income in the 90s when the PC boom began. I think Boomers and Early GenX were the driving force behind the massive success of games like Myst. (I didn't know anyone my age playing Myst, yet it broke sales records)

Anonymous Mon Dec 6 21:50:33 2021 No.8396803

>>8396793
>and were at the point of having disposable income in the 90s when the PC boom began.
I think a lot of boomers went this route instead of consoles. The more financially well off ones became tech yuppies and jumped on the home theater and hi-fi craze of the 80s.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 7 04:47:52 2021 No.8397536 >>8396051 They called it "the Sega", zoomer. I even know a guy whose dad called his SNES a "Sego".

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 7 05:00:48 2021 No.8397562 >>8397184 FF9 remake + thicc sexy garnet when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 7 12:48:37 2021 No.8398457 >>8395431 Ironically, if you asked if whether or not Digimon is a popular series, he'd completely flip the reasoning he's using.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 04:21:59 2021 No.8400486 File: 715 KB, 2400x3200, jessica.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8397562

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 05:26:36 2021 No.8400558 >>8389383 Stupid comment desu. Do you have a brain inside your skull?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 05:30:17 2021 No.8400559 File: 407 KB, 976x1312, FF2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8368984 Fake and gay

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 06:02:38 2021 No.8400579 >>8400486 what would boobs like that feel like?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 06:55:02 2021 No.8400632 File: 259 KB, 1446x2048, tifa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8400579 Relief, for your incredible hunger for milk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 11:03:11 2021 No.8401032 >>8400579 Bags of sand

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 11:03:49 2021 No.8401035 >>8400579 salted milk and coins

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 15:10:59 2021 No.8401515 File: 112 KB, 1000x1000, meena.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8400558

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 8 15:12:57 2021 No.8401520 File: 2.50 MB, 2479x3511, heroine.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8395581

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 9 05:43:39 2021 No.8403246 >>8400579 Sensualized fulfillment.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 9 06:15:54 2021 No.8403291 i remember being 9 or 10 years old, sitting at the park with my schoolmate wondering why we find boobs so nice to look at >yeah they just make milk >they're just round and fat >i don't get it 20 years later we're both still wondering why

Anonymous Thu Dec 9 08:06:02 2021 No.8403483

>>8403291
Displays of genetic fitness that are simutaneously not useful for her survival in fact interferes with it, but are useful for the survival of her children. Your genes, if they are functional, want those future high quality, well-fed children to be yours.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 9 11:28:10 2021 No.8403837 >>8403483 While boobs do get bigger during pregnancy (and is theoretically why we like big boobs; they imply fat pregnant breasts), naturally bigger boobs don't actually supply more milk than smaller ones.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 9 11:48:02 2021 No.8403917 >>8403483 >muh evolution into the trash it goes

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 9 12:50:06 2021 No.8404067 >>8403917 It's ma'am

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 9 19:20:31 2021 No.8405129 >>8403291 Beats me. Always been a leg man myself. Never had an answer either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 9 21:37:10 2021 No.8405416 >>8405129 by legs you mean upper thighs? yeah thighs are sexy af >>8396090 >>8396125 >>8396232 >>8396197 >>8401520 >>8401515 thank you Toriyama-san

Anonymous Thu Dec 9 22:15:48 2021 No.8405487

>>8403837
It's not about mere size and milk capacity.
Boobs on a human woman are like those crazy colors and designs on birds of paradise. They signal genetic fitness to males by being perfectly shaped and perky. Larger size helps draw more attention.
>>8403917
cope

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 9 22:20:22 2021 No.8405495 >>8405487 >They signal genetic fitness to males no they don't, girls with terrible genes and infertility can have bodacious boobas, and men never think about ''genetic code signals'' when they see boobs they think about touching and sucking them

Anonymous Thu Dec 9 22:25:08 2021 No.8405508

>>8405495
''evolutionary psychology'' is basically the freudian mumbo-jumbo of biology, it's not science and can't be falsified because it's all about subliminal shit you can't observe and disprove: i.e bro, what if, the round shape of boobs triggers a part of our brains that we got from fish! they look like fish eggs! fish protect their eggs! eggs are round! and we become attracted to round boobs from our amphibian times because they are circular like eggs!)

Anonymous Thu Dec 9 23:26:11 2021 No.8405703
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>>8405495
>men never think about ''genetic code signals'
Do you "think" about your dick getting hard? No, you don't. You see naked bobs and vagene and the blood starts flowing. Your body is built to pass on your genes, this is all subconscious.
>girls with terrible genes and infertility can have bodacious boobas
signals can trick you, or just be wrong sometimes. Biology is messy that way. Some people are born with no arms, that doesn't mean arms didn't evolve to be useful. If you think that makes the point "unfalsifiable" because you don't get a fully scientifically vetted hypothesis in an offhand reply to "who can know why men like boobs??" in an otherwise comfy Dragon Quest thread, I don't know what to tell you.
>>8405508
We know sexual selection happens. It is easy to observe. We know what it looks like. We can see it in different animals.
>evolutionary psychology
The brain is biology. So are hormones, the nervous system, and genetics. It's all biology.
Feel free to have the last word on this though, I don't want to ruin the thread talking about basic science.

Anonymous Fri Dec 10 01:42:06 2021 No.8406164

>>8405703
>bodies do things intelligently and with purpose, without thought
Almost like there is a designer and not a 1/1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% chance of enough random changes causing this positive complexity. A bit like how Dragon Quest was designed to be fun and didn't just end up that way by throwing random 1s and 0s for billions of years until it ended up into this beloved game series.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 01:44:00 2021 No.8406169 File: 91 KB, 573x1000, DQ girls 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8406164 based and higher-truth, higher-intelligence pilled

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 01:46:27 2021 No.8406173 >>8406164 *enough random changes in unison and harmony

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 01:46:59 2021 No.8406174 >>8405703 Genetic diversity is critical to a species' survival so the idea that there's some universal pull toward big boobs is an oversimplification at best.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 01:47:09 2021 No.8406175 >>8396125 >that Warrior tummy Holy FUCK

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 02:28:19 2021 No.8406230 >>8403917 soiboy

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 02:49:58 2021 No.8406268 >>8406230 >n-no u

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 05:31:26 2021 No.8406436 >>8406169 how long before official DQ girls look this stacked?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 05:55:10 2021 No.8406462 >>8406436 once the loli/teen rage is over we can go back to based MILFS me thinks

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 12:54:53 2021 No.8407250 >>8406164 >bodies do things intelligently and with purpose, without thought If you had to consciously think about everything your body did, your heart would stop beating and you would die.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 14:39:37 2021 No.8407472 >>8407250 Agreed. Sorry about your lack of reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 16:27:54 2021 No.8407761 File: 113 KB, 715x1013, 1636967408843.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I played DQ8 on my 3DS once and gave up 50hrs in, couldn't take it anymore. >OK here's the final dungeon and fight >oh thank god >lmao jk go on this fetch quest now

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 10 17:10:30 2021 No.8407937 >>8407472 Nah I got the context but promised I would not respond to that part, so I'm not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 11 03:57:15 2021 No.8409456 File: 1.41 MB, 850x1150, ignore the moonrunes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8391962 This It has become comforting always seeing her in the catalog.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 11 05:00:40 2021 No.8409572 File: 106 KB, 652x1000, DQ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what was peak retro DQ? and why was it V ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 11 05:43:36 2021 No.8409643 Should I play the android or the retranslated ds version of DQ4? I tried the DS one and it seems some text is still in japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 11 08:27:40 2021 No.8409818 File: 95 KB, 674x1080, soldier.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8409456 I too feel this way, anons

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 11 08:44:51 2021 No.8409835 >>8409456 In case anyone's wondering what the moonrunes say, she complains that she has to defecate.

Anonymous Sat Dec 11 11:59:11 2021 No.8410319
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>>8409572
based maya poster.
I've been looking for a copy of 5 on ds for ages now, because it would sit well next to my sealed copy of 4, and my copy of 6.
but it's fucking $400 so fuck that dream I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 11 12:03:30 2021 No.8410328 >>8376502 SNES is the peak of gaming and nobody will change my mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 11 23:58:23 2021 No.8412092 >>8368956 no SNES DQs it's that simple

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 12 04:54:53 2021 No.8412650 thinking of emulating a DQ came in japanese for study - which game's the most "fun" to play?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 12 11:11:09 2021 No.8413189 >>8392009 Pretty much the final word itt. I was there for all of it. If you weren't born in '85 or before forget it. '81 was the sweet spot but i'm partial.

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