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Are we ready for the OoT decomp, /vr/?

>> No.8328849

>>8328847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SbH5gM_pVI

>> No.8328863

>>8328847
I dont know what any of this means or the purpose.

>> No.8328874

>>8328847
Hey OP, do you know why it's been stuck at 95% for nearly two months?
With the project nearly complete, you'd figure enthusiasm would make the work rate go up, not slow down to a crawl. What's even left to do that could take so much time?

>> No.8328920

>>8328863
After this is done we'll start getting threads about how OoT PC in 4k is so much better than muh Switch Online, that's the purpose

>> No.8328937

>>8328847
Why are they decomping the GC MQ version?

>> No.8328939

>>8328937
I want one (1) reason why they wouldn't

>> No.8328941

>>8328920
and.. then it's dmca'd.

>> No.8328947

>>8328941
Can't be it's all legal. No gleamed code, bring your own rom.

>> No.8328957

>>8328947
if they have the bright idea of putting the source on github it will be, and any compiled versions floating around. it's sad. remember what happened to the 4k version of super mario 64? i fear same shit will happen again and it will disappear. it does make me happy that hobbyists are able to make superb enhancements while the billion dollar companies that made them originally fail so spectacularly at.

>> No.8328958

>>8328937
Because it's a debug rom, meaning it's got leftover dev stuff in it that makes it easier to reverse engineer. The fact that it's gamecube master quest is irrelevent to the guys working on this, since the game at its core is still just a N64 rom on a GC disk, and the MQ changes are trivial to revert. Better to deal with that and have access to debug stuff than start from scratch with the original 64 version.

>> No.8328975

>>8328957
>remember what happened to the 4k version of super mario 64?
...it's still completely fine and publicly available?
https://github.com/n64decomp/sm64
https://sm64pc.info/
Like the other guy said, this is all entirely and unequivocally legal. It doesn't matter how much Nintendo seethes about these projects, they have no legal right whatsoever to take them down in any way, shape or form.
The only thing Nintendo has a say in is the sharing of copyrighted assets in the form of precompiled versions or original roms, an issue which these projects skirt entirely by forcing the users to provide their own files.
tl;dr rejoice, it's literally never ever going away.

>> No.8328976

>>8328941
It'll be too late, everyone will have distributed it.

>> No.8328998

Overrated of Time is a mediocre game and anyone who cares about beta versions of it is a fag.

>> No.8329003

I hope someone begins working on decompiling the source code for Goldeneye 007 and Perfect Dark soon

>> No.8329009

Would be nice to not have to use an emulator to play randomizers.

>> No.8329014

>>8328998
>is a mediocre game
Nope.
>anyone who cares about beta versions of it is a fag.
You misspelled autist.

>> No.8329023

>>8329003
I got good news for you buddy
https://kholdfuzion.github.io/goldeneyestatus/
https://ryandwyer.gitlab.io/pdstatus/

>> No.8329026

>>8328957
>if they have the bright idea of putting the source on github it will be
If you only had a single clue what you were talking about. Well, it doesn't matter. This project isn't going anywhere, as it's not breaking any laws.

>> No.8329027

>>8328975
Is it? I've been wondering. There was a GTA decomp project recently called re3 and it got destroyed by rockstar twice. It seems to be the same type of thing as the mario decomp. What's the difference?

>> No.8329034

>>8329027
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/take-two-dmca-takes-down-reverse-engineered-gta-source-code/

>> No.8329039

>>8329027
From what I've gathered, the R* lawsuit was unlawful and basically them throwing their weight around trying to get the projects taken down so they could release their shitty "definitive edition" without competition. They're in the process of being counter-sued, so expect the REGTA games to pop back up eventually.
Actually, I think I saw someone on /v/ a couple days ago say that the proceedings just started this week. Lemme see if I can go find some more info.

>> No.8329041

>>8329027
>>8329034
because these idiots admitted in the friggin repo-readme that all they did was running a decompiler on the actual game, prettifying the output and committing the files.

>> No.8329043

>>8329027
Bit off topic but when did Rockstar become total faggots?

>> No.8329047

>>8329023
Fuck yeah

>> No.8329051

>>8329043
GTA Online success. This type of massive success seems to corrupt most companies. Same with blizzard and wow. Though as a valve drone have to say that valve has been the least faggoty company handling these types of things.

>> No.8329069

>>8329051
Because Valve isn't making games, they're too busy selling other people's games. Hard to be an asshole when you're just being a market middleman.

>> No.8329075

>>8329027
>>8329039
Here, I found it, the defense's counter claim that was filed 3 days ago: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.384429/gov.uscourts.cand.384429.24.0.pdf
If you don't feel like reading all this shit, they're basically straight up denying every accusation T2 and R* threw at them.
Now I ain't no lawyer so I'm not exactly sure how things work from then on, but I assume a judge is gonna have to read this, analyse the facts of the case, and decide whether to side with T2 or the RE team. In a perfect world, the RE team should win, but T2's very deep pockets or even just a technologically retarded judge could be enough to fuck things up, so I'm afraid it's still too early to tell which way this'll go.

>> No.8329076

>>8329069
Not /vr/ but Alyx is the true half-life 3 and you can cope and seethe about le gimmicks for hours and it won't change.

>> No.8329078

>>8329076
I enjoyed Alyx but I didn't mention it because I plain forgot it existed. Fun game though

>> No.8329080

>>8329078
best game of 2020, doom who?

>> No.8329120

reminder the BotW decomp is making super-fast progress
reminder 64/Melee is has decompilation projects too

>> No.8329130
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8329130

>>8329120
>that's a load of bullshi-
https://botw.link/progress
>that january jump

>> No.8329136

>>8328975
>...it's still completely fine and publicly available?
keep in mind certain fan game "cultists", not the average one, still cry about AM2R being taken down when it's easy as fuck to google a download of the complete game, mods, and fan patches online.

>> No.8329139

>>8329026
>If you only had a single clue what you were talking about.
because he's actually a nintendo dicksucker who know's jackshit

speaking of, there's people clamoring how Xenoverse and Wilds will get taken down when the last time TPCi directly took down a non-paid fan projects (i.e. Prism) was almost several years ago.

>> No.8329147

>>8329120
>>8329130
Man, the field of reverse engineering games in general has seen a incredibly massive increase in general these last few years. Only half a decade ago, if you had told me you were able to decompile some NES rom to get the source code I would have looked at you like you were some kind of all-powerful future magic man. Yet here we are only a couple of years later and we're able to RE current-gen console games that aren't even off the shelf yet.

>>8329136
I think the problem is that fans have been getting fucked so much and for so long by big corpos that they've become sort of traumatised, so that when a fan project comes along that actually is entirely legally safe, they're enable to wrap their brain around the concept and look for any way to keep complaining.
/vr/'s a chill enough place to have discussions about projects like these, but on place like /v/ it's not unusual to see threads get completely derailed by a couple of autists who will categorically REFUSE to believe something won't get dmca'd, and who'll go on crying and seething the whole time attacking anyone trying to actually talk about it like they're turbo retards for even wasting for breath discussing something that'll "just get taken down anyway"

>> No.8329148

>>8329136
>Nintendo protects their copyright, which isn't against the law
>people don't actually lose access to fan games or roms since they're still accessible online
Does anyone actually lose here

>> No.8329265

>>8328958
Ah, makes sense

>> No.8329314

>>8329148
It's not protecting, they're just stingy, especially when they actually don't need to do it.

>> No.8329318

>>8328847
Yup. I'm waiting for the vita port.

>> No.8329410

>>8329023
Nice

>> No.8329421

>>8329314
>they're just stingy
stingy about protecting their copyright
>It's not protecting
yes it is, that's the point
>especially when they actually don't need to do it.
if this was such a big deal then normie mainstream media sites would be hopping on it for a source of controversy and drama. nintendo isn't doing anything controversial or dramatic

>> No.8329451

>>8328874
sometimes the last 5% of a project is the shit you didn't want to do while doing the other 95%

>> No.8329767

>>8328975
The game could be ass, I don't even mind. The seething from Nintendo is all that matters. They will seethe until their avarice dries.

>> No.8329786

>>8328847
how long after the decomp can we expect a 60fps version?

>> No.8329887

>>8328947
Iirc, they would be safe if they actually built an engine that you can throw oot assets to but the legality of decompiling shit is kind of in the gray area.

>> No.8329902

>>8329786
you will have to wait two more weeks after the end of decompilation

>> No.8329949

>>8329887
Clean room reverse engineered code is very much legal in every sense of the word. No grey area.

>> No.8330201

>>8329949
I guess what I meant is that distributing that code can be in the gray area. They haven't made writing words on notepad illegal yet.

>> No.8330235

Would it be possible to put CRT shaders like CRY-royale into the upcoming windows exe version of the game? Yeah I know anything is possible with source code but I’ve never seen anything other than an emulator have that sort of graphical option.

>> No.8330302

>>8330235
You could use reshade to use it on any program

>> No.8330467

>>8328939
The HUD change for the GameCube is ugly.

>> No.8330531

>>8330467
So you're a fucking retard, got it

>> No.8330780

>>8329421
>if this was such a big deal then normie mainstream media sites would be hopping on it
Imagine believing mainstream media would go against large corporations. Now imagine on top of that "gaming" """journalists""" going against Nintendo. They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

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8330798

No but I'm ready for the Paper Mario decomp, OP.

http://papermar.io

>> No.8330826

>>8328863
same. everyone was jizzing over the super mario 64 decomp and then nothing came from it but ray tracing mods that make the entire game look like it takes place at sunset. i imagine this will be more of the same

>> No.8330841

>>8330826
mario and zelda autists aren't creative at all.
look at what the pokemon autists have done with their decompilation, we have completely new games like prism and several qol changes and new features mods like polished crystal and crystal clear.

>> No.8330845

>>8330841
Cringe.

>>8330826
PC port is all we need.

>> No.8330853

>>8330826
most importantly its been ported to a million different platforms, from android to dreamcast.

>> No.8330854

>>8330826
You have the advantage of compiling it for whatever platform you want it to run on. PS2, Dreamcast, Raspberry Pi, the list goes on.

>> No.8330875

>>8330798
Thanks for mentioning this, I'll see if i can contribute

>> No.8330930

>>8329014
It's not even the best Zelda game, and it wasn't the best Zelda game at release. It's pretty much a mediocre game. it's good once you accept it's a mediocre game. Hopefully with the disassembly some palliative improvements can be worked in, like 60fps support instead of the anemic slideshow the original game shamefully displays.

>> No.8330934

>>8330826
>better controls
>better frame rate
>wide screen
>nothing
Shut up

>> No.8330980

>>8330201
It's not a gray area. The gray area only exists in that a rights holder can try to claim the code was actually stolen, that is it wasn't a truly "clean" room reverse engineer and they leaned on official documentation a sdk etc.
Other than that they're in the clear to distribute the code so long as they don't distribute any of the copyrighted art assets.

>> No.8330995

>>8328937
I think the real reason is it wasn't compiled optimized, or with less optimization.

>> No.8331979

>>8330980
Oh yeah my bad. I might have assumed a bit more about this project than I should have. They at least claim that it was done from scratch.

>> No.8332240

>>8330798
freedom soon
hopefully TTYD is next

>> No.8332260

Is there a reason 99% of decompilation projects are Nintendo games?

Are Nintendo fans the only ones that truly love games and want to mod them and improve them to the best methods?

>> No.8332262

>>8330934
60/120+ fps
Fully 360° camera
Mod support
Single executable on pc
Ports to 3DS/Vita/Wii/switch

Decompilation are amazing. People like the dude you replied to are just retarded and can't see the clear value in them.

>> No.8332268

>>8332260
>Are Nintendo fans the only ones that truly love games and want to mod them and improve them to the best methods?
I'm completely confident Nintendo's fanbase has the most autists of any of the major retro game companies
That isn't really a knock, autists getting obsessed with shit helps regular people when they use that autism for good

>> No.8332270

>>8332268
Based autist chads

>> No.8332278

>>8332260
That and Nintendo is becoming more like Disney about their properties, fans don't want that.

>> No.8332316

>>8332278
What does this even mean besides some generic dae disney sucks upvotes to the left shit?

>> No.8332689

>>8332316
It means that Nintendo is becoming overprotective about it's IPs akin to Disney.

Disney was hella aggressive and strict about how their content is presented, to the point that they fucked with copyright law. Disney was the reason why copyright lasts for over a century now, all because they don't want Steamboat Willy falling into the public domain.