/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8328370]

MiSTer FPGA. Cool.

[Anonymous No.8328402]

>>8328370
Ah the ladyboy of emulation.

[Anonymous No.8328409]

>>8328370
worst thread
best device


anyone got the cps1(2) cores running?

[Anonymous No.8328414]

>>8328409
Yeah, just needs the sdram.

[Anonymous No.8328427]

>>8328370
I've been seeing this pop up here and there, but I'm still confused on what is the benefit of this thing over normal emulation.

[Anonymous No.8328434]

>>8328427
It's dedicated hardware towards emulation instead of your PC using its RAM, CPU, GPU,;etc. I guess.

[Anonymous No.8328452]

>>8328427
It implements the semiconductor logic in an FPGA, essentially becoming a hardware copy of the system. Result can be perfect copy of retro hardware, although not in all cases and emulators are now also very good.

It's kind of neat as old silicon dies off.

[Anonymous No.8328454]

>>8328452
>essentially becoming a hardware copy of the system.
^this is what software cultists in denial say

[Anonymous No.8328530]

>>8328434
>It's dedicated hardware towards emulation instead of your PC using its RAM, CPU, GPU,;etc. I guess.
I know what it is, I'm asking what is the benefit of that.
>>8328452
>Result can be perfect copy of retro hardware
Do you have examples of this where its more accurate than what a computer can emulate?

[Anonymous No.8328549]

>>8328530
>, I'm asking what is the benefit of that.
So you can use your PC for porn. Duh.

[Anonymous No.8328556]

>>8328530
There is no benefit. Can't even play Playstation games. My phone can play Playstation games.

[Anonymous No.8328604]

>>8328370
yeah

[Anonymous No.8328623]

It’s just one more thing for people with more money than sense.

[Anonymous No.8328719]

>>8328530
Why do you take that as a challenge? Both FPGA recreation and emulation are very accurate. Don't use FPGA if you don't see the point nobody will force you to.

[Anonymous No.8328732]

>>8328719
wtf are you on about? hes asking what the benefits are over standard PC emulation.

Why should i pay for this instead of just using a proper PC?

Are there any videos of it being more accurate than an actual emulator? or having features that make it more enticing?

i.e. "hardware copy" so it can use an old link cable and trade pokemon with an actual Gameboy Color!

[Anonymous No.8328739]

>>8328732
No.

[Anonymous No.8328884]

>>8328732
stop with the reddit spacing you massive homosexual

[Anonymous No.8328887]

>>8328732
>Are there any videos of it being more accurate than an actual emulator? or having features that make it more enticing?
>i.e. "hardware copy" so it can use an old link cable and trade pokemon with an actual Gameboy Color!
You can use original peripherals like light guns with it.

[Anonymous No.8328893]

>>8328887
Can you use a link cable?

[Anonymous No.8328894]

>>8328370
No. It isn't.

[Anonymous No.8328910]

>>8328887
Yeah, orrrr he could just get a PS2 for next to nothing and be able to play all the lightgun games for it and the PS1 for free with easy softmods. That's most of the good ones. Fuck your meme device, you don't even use it for lightguns anyway, you dumb larper. Show your lightgun collection and CRT MiSTer setup.

[Anonymous No.8328971]

>>8328732

https://www.retrorgb.com/2-player-gb-gbc-gba-custom-cores-for-mister.html

[Anonymous No.8328973]

fox and grapes every mister thread
its all so tiresome

[Anonymous No.8329167]

>>8328973

[Anonymous No.8329169]

>>8328971
Software emulators can do this too. Anon wants to know about linking with a real GBC.

Also
>In order for this very impressive two-player setup to be possible, both cores had to be stripped of any extra features to be able to fit into the FPGA. As a result, two-player support will never be part of the main GB/GBA cores, simply due to size.
lol

[Anonymous No.8329175]

>>8329169
Jesus christ misterfags can't stop losing, literally everything I read about this makes it sound even more pathetic. Why is it shilled so often here? I never hear about it anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.8329202]

>>8328402
lol

[Anonymous No.8329298]

>>8328893
Yes, if you have an adapter.

[Anonymous No.8329386]

>>8329169
lol wtf

[Anonymous No.8329472]

>>8328719
>Don't use FPGA if you don't see the point nobody will force you to.
but I want to see the point. That's what I'm asking. Everyone just keeps saying it's hardware emulation but WHY use hardware emulation? What is the benefit?
>>8328887
That's a pretty neat benefit.

[Anonymous No.8329510]

>>8329472
It can be much more accurate than a regular emulator can. Although, that depends on who wrote the core.

[Anonymous No.8329513]

>>8328370
Sorry, I’m waiting for the Mister 2

[Anonymous No.8329514]

>>8329510
Right someone already said this and I asked for examples of when mister is more accurate, but no one will post any.

[Anonymous No.8329515]

>>8329472
it's just more accurate in general, framerate, sound, slowdowns etc. for arcade stuff this is a huge deal as most games in mame aren't very accurate, and for console stuff it's pretty much the same as the real thing.

[Anonymous No.8329518]

>>8329515
>most games in mame aren't very accurate
lol oh okay Mr. Mister seller.

[Anonymous No.8329521]

>>8329515
I heard that some of the arcade cores are ports from MAME, and that they carry over some of the same bugs because of it.
Is this true? I agree with >>8329514, I want to know where exactly it's better.

[Anonymous No.8329525]

>>8329513
Unironically this. Once there's a platform with a large enough FPGA for 6th gen consoles as well as cores for them, I'm interested.

[Anonymous No.8329528]

>>8329518
it's the truth you clueless retard, even the popular stuff like the cps1 has very inaccurate slowdowns in mame, just compare the busy parts in final fight

[Anonymous No.8329529]

>>8328884
>Can't sleep.... Reddit is going to eat me...

[Anonymous No.8329545]

>>8329528
No, dummy. I own an arcade and you're just making shit up.
Seethe, lil buddy.

[Anonymous No.8329552]

>>8329545
t. clueless retard non-player

[Anonymous No.8329557]

>>8329552
Your jealousy can be felt.

[Anonymous No.8329568]

>>8329557
>i must reply even when i'm retarded and have no argument
i know

[Anonymous No.8329592]

>>8329521
Dunno about the older stuff but the CPS1/2 and System 16 core are better than mame at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJJ6h991r8

[Anonymous No.8329601]

>>8329545
Yeah I own an arcade too

[Anonymous No.8329618]

>>8329528
>slowdowns
get a better PC :˄)

[Anonymous No.8329624]

>>8329618
Generally when people complain about inaccurate slowdowns, it's that they aren't present when they're supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.8329649]

>>8329528
Don't play them on MAME then? There are other CPS emulators.

[Anonymous No.8329652]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/46899296

[Anonymous No.8329656]

>>8329618
based retard
>>8329649
other cps emulators are even more inaccurate

[Anonymous No.8329658]

>>8329649
Which are even less accurate than MAME. Jotego’s CPS cores are objectively better than everything else.

[Anonymous No.8329684]

>>8329652
This is interesting, but how does it materialise in gameplay?

[Anonymous No.8329720]

>>8329684
frames and slowdowns, which is pretty noticeable.
pcb: https://youtu.be/dcfk3aTXSy4?t=854
mame: https://youtu.be/5mNR_iFniy0?t=676

[Anonymous No.8329735]

>>8329720
That's not a comparison with mister though.

[Anonymous No.8329746]

>>8329735
can't find a mister replay on youtube, but it's pretty much the same as pcb.

[Anonymous No.8329751]

>>8329720
>mame32 0.106
This is an emulator from 15 years ago.

[Anonymous No.8329756]

>>8329751
same issues in modern mame, cope

[Anonymous No.8329757]

>>8329751
it's also probably running on some discarded office PC or worse a RPi

[Anonymous No.8329761]

>>8329756
source: my ass

[Anonymous No.8329769]

>>8329757
Yeah old versions of MAME are commonly being used and maintained on the raspberry pi because of its low performance requirements.

[Anonymous No.8329772]

>>8329761
source: hundreds of hours in final fight
...vs some dumb non-player

[Anonymous No.8329783]

>>8329772
yeah well I have thousands of hours :^)

[Anonymous No.8329784]

>>8329783
doubt it, you didn't even know about basic mame inaccuracies

[Anonymous No.8329787]

A classic MiSTer thread on /vr/ as usual. Zero proper gaming discussion, 100% throwing feces at the opposing team.

[Anonymous No.8329806]

>>8329784
Inaccuracies that are only relevant to outdated software? You are the one who is ill informed.

[Anonymous No.8329809]

>>8328530
because some copefags seem to think it isn't emulation, when in reality ANYTHING that isn't the original consoles is emulation

[Anonymous No.8329815]

Can I play Simpsons and C.O.W.-Boys of Moo Mesa on this?

[Anonymous No.8329828]

>>8329787
how so? anti-misterfags are the only ones with 0 knowledge about the games/emulators here.
>>8329806
>circular reasoning
pathetic, if you played final fight even once you'd know it has the same problems.

[Anonymous No.8329836]

>>8329815
oh I can't
it can't even play TMNT
why are we even talking about this and arcades in the first place?

[Anonymous No.8329843]

>>8329836
because quality > quantity, unless you are a plebeian, konami beat em ups like violet storm or metamorphic force have tons of emulation problems in mame too

[Anonymous No.8329860]

>>8329828
>>circular reasoning
You don't even know what that means, it has nothing to do with this situation.
I don't know why you're refraining from showing proof for what you say if you're so confident of it.

[Anonymous No.8329862]

>>8329772
No I played it more so I'm right

[Anonymous No.8329865]

>>8329815
Not yet. Currently the TMNT arcade game implementation in mid research. I would expect other licensed Konami beatemups to follow soon after that.

[Anonymous No.8329867]

>>8329836
Forget arcade machines, this thing doesn't even play Playstation games. It's way too premature currently.

[Anonymous No.8329870]

>>8329867
Pfff playstation
that thing doesn't even have a wikipedia page lmao

[Anonymous No.8329873]

>>8329867
>this thing doesn't even play Playstation games.
Oh, but it will eventually - using Duckstation.

[Anonymous No.8329874]

>>8329867
https://github.com/RobertPeip/PlayStation_MiSTer
You can download it literally today and play PSX games on the unfinished core.

[Anonymous No.8329881]

>>8329874
>unfinished.

[Anonymous No.8329885]

>>8329862
see >>8329783
>>8329860
>You don't even know what that means
it's exactly what you're doing here, retard.
>I don't know why you're refraining from showing proof for what you say if you're so confident of it.
why would I waste my time with some clueless non-player with no actual rebuttal? you are the one making the fake assumption that modern mame runs final fight better.

[Anonymous No.8329886]

>>8329881
Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Anonymous No.8329889]

>>8329886
ok well let me know when it actually works maybe then it will be worth a shit

[Anonymous No.8329893]

>>8329862
see >>8329784
>>8329860
>You don't even know what that means
it's exactly what you're doing here, retard.
>I don't know why you're refraining from showing proof for what you say if you're so confident of it.
why would I waste my time with some clueless non-player with no actual rebuttal? you are the one making the fake assumption that modern mame runs final fight better, where's your proof?

[Anonymous No.8329896]

>>8329889
Leave me your contact information so I can actually reach you when the news hit and not just shittalk on an anime website.

[Anonymous No.8329901]

>>8329893
why would I waste my time with someone who thinks an emulator a decade out of date is relevant at all? or a person who desperately shills for something without being able to justify it?

[Anonymous No.8329904]

>>8329901
>no argument
I accept your concession of defeat.

[Anonymous No.8329905]

>>8329545
Nice larp fag

[Anonymous No.8329906]

>>8329904
>no evidence
no u

[Anonymous No.8329908]

>>8329893
No really I have played it more than you. I know because I'm right and you are wrong

[Anonymous No.8329913]

>>8329906
takes 15 minutes for you to check out the mame problems i'm pointing out and "prove me wrong"
of course a retarded non-player can't even do that.

[Anonymous No.8329916]

>>8329913
then it'll be super easy for you to do it right

[Anonymous No.8329917]

>>8329908
see >>8329784

[Anonymous No.8329928]

>>8329916
it is, you're just not worth it.

[Anonymous No.8329930]

I had a mister but sold it a week ago and I miss it already. Sold it complete for $400 cash locally. It was very cool but I wanted a 12700K more.

[Anonymous No.8329968]

>>8329930
Might as well just start a business selling them to retro zoomer retards, seems like easy money.

[Anonymous No.8329969]

>>8329968
He actually sold it 100$ below market price

[Anonymous No.8330074]

>>8328452
>results in a perfect copy
Not really, results still lie in the knowledge of the programmer and how documented is the emulated architecture.
And yes FPGAs are still emulating, just in parallel and lower level, its not like the gate array magically transforms into the software.
Also, the FPGAs themselves are prone to hardware bugs and proprietary architecture as well, its good but definitely not a magic bullet.

[Anonymous No.8330076]

>>8330074
>software.
*hardware

[Anonymous No.8330093]

>>8330074
An FPGA at least makes it much easier to precisely replicate the original behaviour, given accurate documentation. That lower level of operation is why.

[Anonymous No.8330108]

>>8328402
fpbp

[Anonymous No.8330124]

>>8330093
I dont think we're ever going to be able to fully FPGA a ps2 or a ps3.
Anything past ps1/N64/DC is probably not going to be possible due to the absolutely dismal documentation and complexity of the hardware involved.
Even the saturn seems like it'll hit a wall when it comes to the other chips in the system and thats just the beginning.

[Anonymous No.8330136]

>>8330124
Isn't there already a Saturn core booting games?

[Anonymous No.8330142]

this whole thread summarized
>why is an fpga worth it?
>it's hardware emulation, and it's more accurate
>ok, why does that matter and do you have any examples?
>well...it matters because....umm some examples are......uhhh....IT'S JUST BETTER OK?!

[Anonymous No.8330147]

>>8330136
I said it would hit a wall, same as normal emulation which is not what you're looking for when you get an FPGA.

[Anonymous No.8330152]

>>8330136
Latest update from November 5th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph4wDIhn84E

[Anonymous No.8330154]

>>8330147
idk it seems like the documentation is there. Current emulators suck at platforms like Saturn and PS2 because their hardware doesn't work the way conventional hardware does, not because it's poorly understood.

[Anonymous No.8330163]

by the way how futureproof is this?
is the code able to run on newer FPGAs?
how long will Intel continue to manufacture the DE10-Nano?
Isn't the Cyclone V already like 10 years old?

[Anonymous No.8330185]

>>8330163
>newer FPGAs
I want to know about this too, do FPGA run VHDL or something like that?

[Anonymous No.8330192]

>>8330152
BASED

[Anonymous No.8330194]

>>8330185
>do FPGA run VHDL or something like that?
Exactly that, or other HDLs you can use for fabricating a chip.

[Anonymous No.8330197]

What's the best light gun for it? Will I need any adapters?

[Anonymous No.8330198]

>>8330194
does it run on any other boards besides the DE10-Nano?

[Anonymous No.8330217]

>>8330197
You can use SNAC adapters like >>8329298 to connect original lightguns to use with appropriate cores, i.e. Zapper with NES core. You need to have an I/O board. Using original controllers with wrong cores (i.e. NES adapter with Genesis core) is not supported.

[Anonymous No.8330229]

>>8329917
I've seen it multiple times since you keep repeating it. Doesn't change the fact I've played it more than you and therefore I am better

[Anonymous No.8330237]

>>8329928
So there is no source then. Got it.

[Anonymous No.8330242]

>>8330142
And that's why I can't stop shitposting in this thread, the mister owners' salty tears of frustration are glorious

[Anonymous No.8330249]

>>8330163
>newer FPGAs
Won’t happen. Intel’s buyout was to extinguish something they viewed as a threat. There won’t be any new model Cyclones

[Anonymous No.8330250]

>>8330198
Porting MiSTer cores to other dev boards isn't very difficult, it's just a question of another one coming out at the same kind of price point that offers more logic elements, which will probably take a while.

If you want PS2/DC/etc, consider waiting, but it might be another decade. Personally I think all the later systems are incredibly cheap to hack and run everything off solid state, so I don't see much point in FPGAs for them yet. Older systems are where FPGAs shine, lots of shit video output and expensive flashcarts/ODEs.

>>8330197
There's no AIO solution for light gun stuff yet, sadly. The guy who did GUN2IR had a prototype a while back for just hooking up a guncon, but I don't think he's released anything yet. You're basically stuck collecting guns for the systems you like via SNAC, and some of the guns are both pretty expensive and have mediocre software support.

[Anonymous No.8330260]

>>8330250
>Personally I think all the later systems are incredibly cheap to hack and run everything off solid state, so I don't see much point in FPGAs for them yet.
In the PS2's case, I don't agree because there's no ODE and software solutions have a host of problems.
Xbox, DC and GC are all sorted however.

[Anonymous No.8330274]

>>8330250
>You're basically stuck collecting guns for the systems you like via SNAC, and some of the guns are both pretty expensive and have mediocre software support.
That's pretty lame. It seems like if you own the peripherals you should own the consoles anyway.

[Anonymous No.8330296]

>>8330249
fag

[Anonymous No.8330306]

>>8330260
A network adapter is 20 bucks, and converting IDE to SD costs about 10-15 bucks. It's cheaper than a GDEMU, although you do need FreeMCboot too though.

>>8330274
Eh, I'm the kind of guy who likes playing everything with the "right" controller so it doesn't really bother me, but yeah, it's a shame. I imagine the guncon solution will come out eventually though.

[Anonymous No.8330310]

>>8330306
The problem isn't the expense, the problem is the functionality. Some games need compatibility tweaks and some don't work quite right regardless.

[Anonymous No.8330334]

>>8330310
I feel like the number of games that don't work with OPL is very minor these days, a quick look shows there are maybe 20, and all the major ones have fixes.

It's not perfect, but I've never really run into any issues. I've had more trouble with Nintendont, honestly.

[Anonymous No.8330348]

>>8330334
Deus Ex would always crash after a certain amount of loading screens. Also a lot of these compatibility lists are poorly maintained.
What issues did you have with Nintendont?

[Anonymous No.8330409]

Not sure why so much butthurt over FPGA, but the reality is that recreating the logic in theory will always result in a more deterministic and accurate reproduction than software emulation. Of course in some cases the emulation is very mature, for instance VICE is very accurate and has been in development for several decades.

But in some cases like NEOGEO the FPGA is indescernably accurate. Anyway it's a worthwhile project to document these classic platforms both in emulation and FPGA.

[Anonymous No.8330416]

>>8329874
Nice. PS1/Saturn is probably the pinnacle of 2D gaming, along with some classic primordial 3D. Getting these running on FPGA means that every classic 2D system is reproduced, and later systems are for fags.

[Anonymous No.8330424]

>>8330409
>Of course in some cases the emulation is very mature, for instance VICE is very accurate and has been in development for several decades.
This is the cause for the "butthurt". The promise of perfect reproduction is appealing of course but for a lot of platforms it's hard to see the improvement compared to software emulation.

[Anonymous No.8330451]

>>8330424
Well if they're both perfect they're both perfect, but ultimately only the FPGA can interface directly to a CRT and native controller, so will always have the potential to be more accurate in playing.

[Anonymous No.8330456]

>>8330451
It isn't hard to get software emulators outputting to a CRT with an accurate image, although the timing won't be accurate so you won't be able to use stuff like light guns with it. I think using those original peripherals is one of the most consistently acknowledged advantages of FPGAs.

[Anonymous No.8330465]

>>8330237
see >>8329784
>>8330237
>i'm a retarded and can't refute
i know

[Anonymous No.8330469]

How well does this work with a VGA CRT?

[Anonymous No.8330470]

>>8330229
see >>8329784 again
>>8330237
>i'm a retarded and can't refute
i know

[Anonymous No.8330473]

>>8330470
there's nothing to refute you haven't even demonstrated anything

[Anonymous No.8330476]

>>8330469
>that image
Where is the booba, brother?

[Anonymous No.8330478]

>>8330473
>you haven't even demonstrated anything
you are the one making bullshit unproved claims here, schizo, don't shift the burden of proof.

[Anonymous No.8330481]

>>8330478
no u

[Anonymous No.8330489]

>>8330481
retard, so low iq that you think mame emu is perfect lol

[Anonymous No.8330490]

>>8330456
If you just want to play games it's probably overkill, but from an archival point of view having an FPGA representation is important. That period of 1977-1997 was an incredible amount of change, every year was a massive leap in capability and game design. Since then systems and games have been fairly incremental.

[Anonymous No.8330491]

>>8330489
still hasn't shown that it isn't 4 hours later

[Anonymous No.8330494]

>>8330491
>he thinks mame emulation is perfect
I was just joking but it seems you are actually retarded

[Anonymous No.8330503]

>>8330490
Anything that improves preservation is worth having in my opinion. But yeah for the average joe I can't see this presenting a substantial enough improvement to be worth it.

[Anonymous No.8330509]

>>8330494
you keep saying it but you could just show it

[Anonymous No.8330549]

>>8330509
cps1/2, 90s konami boards, pgm + lots of lesser known boards suffer from visual, performance and/or sound issues, only a clueless retard would think mame emulation is perfect lmao

[Anonymous No.8330562]

>>8330549
okay but maybe you could just demonstrate that

[Anonymous No.8330575]

>>8330562
sure give me 5 secs
https://youtu.be/Rprl6VFki8U?t=1268
https://youtu.be/PvMN8OfYUgQ?t=292
this clueless retard didn't even know mame emulation is flawed lmao

[Anonymous No.8330601]

>>8330575
Does this game have an FPGA core?

[Anonymous No.8330607]

>>8330575
maybe I'm retarded but what am I supposed to see here

[Anonymous No.8330621]

>>8330601
only a matter of time, quality > quantity
>>8330607
background and transparencies are completely fucked in mame, i think the games in that board have wrong sound mixing too.

[Anonymous No.8330630]

>>8330621
>only a matter of time

[Anonymous No.8330637]

>>8330630
mame has been around for decades and still is very flawed, sunset riders had a game breaking bugs until just a couple years ago. compared to that i'm fine with fewer games but much better emulation.

[Anonymous No.8330643]

not gonna kill a thread for this. should i pull the trigger on a satiator? or is it worth waiting for the core on my mister?

[Anonymous No.8330646]

>>8330637
I can't see any MiSTer core that will run that game, either.

Wanting better emulation of fewer games is fine but which games are those?

[Anonymous No.8330648]

>>8330643
Fenrir is better

[Anonymous No.8330657]

>>8330646
already stated, all cps1/2 games, system-16 games, lots of 80s arcades, very accurate console emulators etc.
keep coping and goal shifting like he pathetic cuck you are though.

[Anonymous No.8330662]

>>8330657
It's interesting that you don't show any of those platforms, but bait and switch to talk about consoles unsupported by MiSTer instead.

[Anonymous No.8330687]

>>8330662
>consoles unsupported by MiSTer instead
arcade boards* you retarded fuck
and I posted those videos because to prove you wrong about mame emulation being perfect
you are such a dumb ignorant cunt, can't even properly keep a discussion nor educate yourself, just kill yourself lmao.

[Anonymous No.8330695]

>>8330687
it isn't about mame emulation being perfect it's about mister emulation being better

and 5 hours later it remains to be seen

[Anonymous No.8330730]

>>8328370
Bald.

[Anonymous No.8330745]

>>8330108
No, it's not fpbp. It's FPGA!

[Anonymous No.8330760]

>>8330575
But:

1. This game is from a Konami board. As far as I know, MAME considers its emulation imperfect and warns the user about that when booting the game (unless the warning is disabled). No false advertising there.

2. Wasn't the talk about CPS1, not Konami? IIRC, FBNeo claimed to have fixed CPS1 emulation.

[Anonymous No.8330764]

>>8330470
Lol whilst I see those posts don't forget to see mine that proves I played more hours than you and therefore know better :)

[Anonymous No.8330771]

>>8330491
Still hasn't realised he is being wound up either

[Anonymous No.8330775]

>>8330687
Imagine getting this angry over video games

[Anonymous No.8330941]

>>8330695
>it isn't about mame emulation being perfect
except that was literally your point before I proved you wrong: >>8330509 >>8330491 >>8329806, pathetic backpedalling cunt
>it's about mister emulation being better
it is better, again: slowdowns, framerate, colors and other details are much closer to the arcade, quick proof:
pcb: https://youtu.be/8S945gREC4k?t=3864
mister: https://youtu.be/Q-Yh7DiamOg?t=3364
mame: https://youtu.be/L0rhvjWVCVM?t=2832 (no slowdown whatsoever)
arcade:
>muhh bajillion hours!!!
can't keep with a double digit iq shitter 24/7, sorry.

[Anonymous No.8330951]

>>8330760
even games that run "well" in mame have noticeable issues.

[Anonymous No.8331279]

>>8328402
kek

[Anonymous No.8331291]

The fact it works with real light guns is very impressive. I'm a real hardware guy myself but really like that stuff like the mister exists for when these consoles become too cost prohibitive to keep going

[Anonymous No.8331313]

>>8330409
>But in some cases like NEOGEO the FPGA is indescernably accurate.
Why do people keep parroting that FPGA recreation of Neo Geo is flawless? Yes, it is based on decapping original SNK chips, but the dev made several mistakes in code which he personally acknowledged and the core still shows some noticeable minor glitches. Instead of pointing at advantages of recreating platforms through HDL people twist it into "neogeo is 101% perfect, i'm glad i sold all my mvs games!!!1! xd". I love my MiSTer but misrepresenting its actual capabilities through hyperboles and misunderstandings does nothing to create a positive image of the project, especially for people who buy into those claims and find out the truth later. Hype culture does a lot of damage in the modern world, we should be better than that.

[Anonymous No.8331368]

>>8331313
Still more accurate than emu. :^)

[Anonymous No.8331401]

>>8330124
>ever
Seems like a weird bet. The longer the bet goes, the worse your odds.

[Anonymous No.8331609]

PC Emulators are good, but not better than just plug-in the MiSTer to a CRT and play with original controllers.
Flash Cartridges/ODEs - also had a lot of bugs.
I was a coomlector and like a real coomlector I bought everything I can, so the MiSTer was no exception,
but after I bought the MiSTer I quit being a coomlector, being a coomlector just doesn't pay off. The MiSTer is just like a mini console - just plug-in and play and I can use original controllers, like light guns, arcade sticks and so on.
Nintendo, SEGA, Sony video games was so boring after 10+ years of collecting and I don't like to play same video game hundreds of times, Neo Geo, PC Engine, Arcades are too much expensive. So, if I wanted to buy a new video game for coomlection, that video game price was hundrends so I given up.
Right now my setup is pretty comfy - just a CRT, the MiSTer and a full bag of original controllers and a armchair. I don't need anymore shelfs, I don't need anymore to think how to organize, I don't need to search deals and I don't need anymore to clean. Thanks, MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.8331676]

>>8331609
It's so much more convenient than the real thing, comfy playing all those CD games I missed out on too they cost way too much to IRL then and now.

[Anonymous No.8331832]

>>8330334
I love OPL but I have spent hours trying to get the first Xenosaga to work and it refuses to. Can't find anyone else having problems, tried multiple isos I found online and the other 100 games I've tried all work.

[Anonymous No.8332365]

>>8331609
I'll probably buy it when there's more arcade shidd on it, definitely good potential.

[Anonymous No.8332396]

>>8330941
another quick example:
arcade: https://youtu.be/gSZ99Uew4bU?t=2533
mister: https://youtu.be/D9pbczeKTG0?t=2851
mame: https://youtu.be/B4QlAmoEnKI?t=3004 (slowdown gone)
anti-misterfags on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.8332625]

>>8332396
Hey, I know this YouTube channel. The guy tweaks his emulator to remove slowdown, I play like that, sometimes. Anyway, if I have the time tonight, I might check if the Gildiss fight slows down on an emulator with default settings.

[Anonymous No.8332832]

>>8332625
>Hey, I know this YouTube channel. The guy tweaks his emulator to remove slowdown.

Only gameplay videos on his channel.
Okay whatever you say...

[Anonymous No.8332930]

>>8332625
>The guy tweaks his emulator to remove slowdown
cope https://youtu.be/IPxXanbt25E?t=471
can't even imagine how inaccurate cps1 games are on 4p co-op.

[Anonymous No.8333039]

>>8331609
>Flash Cartridges/ODEs - also had a lot of bugs.
More than any sort of emulator? That I doubt very much.

[Anonymous No.8333048]

>>8330941
>>8332396
I'm just glad you finally showed some proof. It's all I've been asking for the entire thread.

[Anonymous No.8333156]

>>8333048
wouldve fared better if you didn't act like a retard pretending mame is perfect.

[Anonymous No.8333164]

>>8333156
Anything to get you to make the case.

[Anonymous No.8333197]

>>8333164
>only pretending to be retarded
okay, at least you conceded in the end.

[Anonymous No.8333474]

>>8333197
Other anon here: I've definitely played more hours than you

[Anonymous No.8333572]

>>8333474
post provable play time or gtfo

[Anonymous No.8333620]

>>8333572
What game were we talking about again?

[Anonymous No.8333668]

>>8328530
I'm pretty sure every single mister core will have console accurate audio latency, where as youre pretty much always stuck with some audio delay in software emulation solutions. Youre also getting console accurate input response, which again you don't really get with software emulators (though runahead and retroarch largely mitigate this issue)

In that sense then yeah, its more accurate . You can also get it to work with light guns assuming you're using a crt

[Anonymous No.8334147]

The combination of FGPA and emulation technologies are important to preserve this history. Probably there was no other point in human history where technology made so many leaps in just a few decades.

[Anonymous No.8334225]

Too many shills in the thread for an evolution of the NOAC famiclones.

[Anonymous No.8334330]

>>8328402
basado

[Anonymous No.8334370]

>>8328370
you can get better from a literal $230 Ryzen 5600g cpu/igpu. Fuck mister and fuck retards who think this is actually worth sinking money in to

[Anonymous No.8334569]

>>8334370
>poorfag chimes in

Friend I have a Ryzen AND a MiSTer. :3c

[Anonymous No.8334750]

Dunno why fags got so butthurt about it, keep with your retropi if it does the job but good to see some alternatives.

[Anonymous No.8335037]

>>8334569
>poorfag
typical retard
>hurrr you have to be poor because you don't want to waste money on useless trash

[Anonymous No.8335042]

>>8328402
mister sisters... we are finished

[Anonymous No.8335090]

>>8334370
You can emulate more platforms but the accuracy is worse.

[Anonymous No.8335132]

With mister there is a variation in the quality of the systems. The reason is there are 2 ways to make a mister core, 1st you use this sort description language that looks a bit like c, the program then compiles it into a list of connections in the fpga.
The 2nd way is to trace out the chip and then put each connection into a big list which can then be loaded into the fpga, this should be pretty identical to the original system but there would probably be some differences in timing on some systems because of the difference in technology.

[Anonymous No.8335651]

>>8335090
>accuracy is worse
cmon now

[Anonymous No.8335759]

>>8335090
Least you can actually do it

[Anonymous No.8336680]

It's cool because you can easily interface with RGB display and native controls, with low latency. The USB controls and HDMI are really good and low latency as well.

[Anonymous No.8337331]

In minor news, the PC Engine core is completely purged of reported bugs.

[Anonymous No.8337360]

>>8337331
Nice!

[Anonymous No.8337543]

>>8328556
PS1 and Saturn are coming though.

[Anonymous No.8337585]

>>8337543
Shit's gonna be tight!

[Anonymous No.8339731]

>>8328556
Tell me you can't afford a MiSTer without telling me you can't afford a MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.8339735]

>>8339731
anyone can spend $300 they just don't need to do it to play snes games

[Anonymous No.8340062]

>>8339735

>>8339731

[Anonymous No.8340230]

>>8339731
Tell me you're coping without telling me you're coping

[Anonymous No.8340794]

>>8339731
its $150 you cant stop buying pizza for 1 month?!?

[Anonymous No.8341498]

MiSTer got me to sell my entire game collection, consoles and all. I feel free and I have no regrets. I've played and beat more games since I sold off than the 3 years before.

[Anonymous No.8341728]

>>8328370
Can't play 3D games ergo it's rubbish.

[Anonymous No.8341734]

>>8341498
You must have had a shit collection before. The best consoles aren't even supported by that thing.

[Anonymous No.8341765]

>>8341734
The only consoles that aren't easily emulated are also not supported by this thing. I guess there are arcade machines though.

[Anonymous No.8341930]

>>8330108
spbp*

>>8328402
Frbr

[Anonymous No.8341935]

>>8341734
This is /vr/, British cigarette.

[Anonymous No.8341941]

>>8341935
Retro includes more than SNES, basketball american

[Anonymous No.8341942]

>>8341935
yes, and many /vr/ consoles aren't supported by this.

[Anonymous No.8341964]

>>8341942
Try not to wet your diaper.

[Anonymous No.8342049]

Where the fuck are the Midway cores?

[Anonymous No.8342271]

>>8341942
>n64 kid

Nobody's making you buy one, just leave.

[Anonymous No.8342291]

>>8342049
https://github.com/orgs/MiSTer-devel/repositories?q=mcr
I understand that you mean T/X/Y/Z/Wolf Units. No developments yet.

[Anonymous No.8342296]

>>8342049
Sling some coin at devs to get some love.

[Anonymous No.8342342]

>>8339735
>>8329930
>paying THIS much for emulation
shiggy diggy

[Anonymous No.8342362]

>>8342271
If I didn't want to play something with bad emulation like N64 or Saturn, why would I care about this?

[Anonymous No.8342460]

>>8341498
That says more about you than the consoles
You needed an emulation device before you felt motivated to play games

[Anonymous No.8342470]

>>8342460
It’s like I’m reliving 5 years ago when the RPi’s were circulating

[Anonymous No.8342475]

>>8342362
>grapes taste like shit anyway

[Anonymous No.8342492]

>>8342475
you're the one making excuses about why it's okay not to support certain consoles

[Anonymous No.8342523]

>>8342475
See
>>8329167

[Anonymous No.8342528]

PS1 core progress update : Boot from cdimage is working

https://twitter.com/AzumFpg/status/1461386905933828101

[Anonymous No.8342531]

>>8342523
>superior reproduction of classic systems
>worse

That sure is some mental gymnastics. I'll continue to enjoy a combination of emulation, FPGA and real hardware for my retro gaming there is no silver bullet, fag.

[Anonymous No.8342571]

>>8342531
it's only superior if it has it

[Anonymous No.8342651]

>>8342571
>sour grapes

[Anonymous No.8343229]

>>8328370
If it was reasonably priced I'd get one.

[Anonymous No.8343354]

>>8343229
Price isn't so bad, you can get away with just the base DE10 for a lot of the systems, add the 128MB SDRAM and you can play everything. You don't need the IO board or case even but the USB hub is recommended.

[Anonymous No.8343360]

>>8343354
I didn't say it was bad, I said it was unreasonable.

[Anonymous No.8343505]

>>8342651
see
>>8342492

[Anonymous No.8343538]

>>8343360
It's reasonable if you would be owning all the platforms it supports otherwise.

[Anonymous No.8343565]

>>8343538
yeah but the product itself is like $20 to make and selling it for like $200 seems kinda scummy

[Anonymous No.8343574]

>>8343565
>but the product itself is like $20 to make
How do you know that?

[Anonymous No.8343598]

>>8343574
because

[Anonymous No.8344058]

>>8343598
source: dude trust me bro

[Anonymous No.8344061]

>>8344058
>he doesn't trust random anon
ngmi

[Anonymous No.8344092]

So is the fagSTer the best way to play cps1/2 hooked up to a CRT or would a raspberry pi 4 with retroarch do the same job for a much cheaper price?

[Anonymous No.8344101]

>>8344092
raspberry pi is pretty underpowered, I doubt it could run an accurate emulator if it even exists

[Anonymous No.8344116]

>>8331313
Based.

[Anonymous No.8344253]

>>8344116
>opinion of internet person

[Anonymous No.8344309]

>>8342342
>fpga
>emulation
Anon pls

[Anonymous No.8344314]

>>8341728
PS1 and Saturn cores are in development.

[Anonymous No.8344408]

>>8328370
Why does the anti-fpga crowd have such a hard time coping with their fomo

[Anonymous No.8344416]

>>8344408
how can it be fomo when the interesting cores like saturn aren't even ready yet

[Anonymous No.8344451]

Not sure if this has been asked a lot, but could someone tell me how to pronounce "MiSTer"

[Anonymous No.8344669]

>>8342049
Spanish Secessionist casually teases Mortal Kombat.

[Anonymous No.8344675]

>>8344451

[Anonymous No.8344680]

>>8344116
Jesus Christ, what an amazing crop!

[Anonymous No.8344992]

>>8344061
he deleted system32 folder because anon said to
>ngfmi

[Anonymous No.8345493]

>>8344992
>he didn't
not gonna ma

[Anonymous No.8345934]

>>8340230
>>8339731
Please, don't use that utterly imbecilic "meme" template from Twatter. Have some fucking self respect, both of you!

[Anonymous No.8345959]

I'd love to have a MiSTer, but not to play games. I'm more interested in exploring old home computers (Apple //, Commodores, the Atari 8-bit family, etc), and the jew prices vintage hardware is fetching are obscene.

I'd need, then:
>a DE10-Nano
>an I/O board of some sort
>a keyboard
>a CRT

[Anonymous No.8345967]

Retard here, when I play gba on my pvm the picture is always super tiny for some reason, does anyone know a solution to this? Only seems to be gba so I didn't want to fiddle with settings and fuck up the other emulator's display.

[Anonymous No.8345982]

>>8345967
Analog output produces GBA's native 240x160 resolution inside a 240p frame. Other handheld cores have a similar issue (GBC's 160x144 is even smaller). You can use a built in scaler to resize core's video output but it's a bit tricky and the image quality will suffer if you scale it unevenly.

[Anonymous No.8346016]

>>8345982
Thanks for the explanation anon, appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.8346093]

>>8345959
You don't need the IO and CRT, they are nice to have but you can do just fine without them. Main thing is the DE10 and add SDRAM, use any USB keyboard from the trash.

[Anonymous No.8346095]

>>8345982
Yes what this anon said, cores which wouldn't be used with a discrete display generally don't work well with a discrete display.

[Anonymous No.8346741]

>>8344092
It's breddy gud.

[Anonymous No.8346751]

>>8344092
RPi 4 no, I think it has issues with CRT
I think 3b+ is the best one for CRT use and as far as I’m aware it has no issues with CPS 1/2

[Anonymous No.8346798]

>>8344675
we have 4chan at home Flan, please come home.

[Anonymous No.8346941]

MISTer is frame accurate, that's the best way to describe it.

[Anonymous No.8346946]

>>8346941
Nope, many emulators are frame accurate
It’s more to do with cycle accurate but that really has no bearing on gameplay

[Anonymous No.8346949]

>>8346946
I think what he means is that the video output is frame-by-frame, pixel-by-pixel accurate to the original machines.

[Anonymous No.8347043]

>>8344669
Mate he's also teasing PGM and CPS3 which is far more exciting than MK. PGM would also mean more Cave games with DoDonPachi DOJ, Ketsui and Espgaluda.

[Anonymous No.8347045]

>>8347043
Now we're talking.

[Anonymous No.8347054]

>>8347043
Ah wait, those games used custom PGM hardware

>The CAVE IGS PGM Hardware is a custom IGS PolyGame Master hardware used by Cave for three titles.

>This hardware differs from the standard IGS PGM by its use of a custom BIOS. The custom BIOS prevented the games from being ROM swapped onto IGS PGM cartridges for use on a normal IGS PGM system. Because of this, the games were only released as single, custom PCBs.

[Anonymous No.8348057]

I think the most siginficant contribution of FPGA is that the chip reproductions can be used to keep legacy hardware alive.

[Anonymous No.8348069]

>>8348057
Can FPGAs be used as pin-compatible replacements for original chips?

[Anonymous No.8348082]

>>8348069
Yes many such cases.

https://1nt3r.net/j-cia/

[Anonymous No.8348156]

>>8348069
>>8348082
This is an actual available product
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNQl8OLnMHU

From my perspective, these solutions are a better idea than to be cannibalizing old computers, or looking for overpriced new old stock parts.

[Anonymous No.8348239]

>>8348156
https://www.fpgasid.de/specifications

Yes many such cases. In some actual cases parts have a shelf life, like the VIC chip in the VIC20 has a capacitor in it which goes bad, resulting in paddles being unusable.

[Anonymous No.8348512]

>>8328370

[Anonymous No.8348574]

>>8348512
>If you don't have a second SDRAM available
lol pathetic not having multiple MiSTers in different configurations.

[Anonymous No.8348590]

>>8331313
When they talk about perfection they're talking about response time and graphics. Most of the remaining problems with the MiSTer Neo Geo core are sound related. They will get fixed eventually.

[Anonymous No.8348616]

>>8348574
>If you don't have a second SDRAM available, I fear you have some days to wait

Nice selective reading there dingus.

[Anonymous No.8348627]

>>8348590
Non-MiSTer copers would rather stick with NeoRAGEx.

[Anonymous No.8349053]

>>8329167
>I personally don't see the need for such a device
>therefore this device is shit and everyone who likes it is a shiteater
>QED

[Anonymous No.8349157]

>>8348627
?
Or just FBNeo

[Anonymous No.8349339]

>>8348590
>in 5 years time
We are just about to release an update that finally fix all the bugs in the neogeo emulator.

I'll use my real hardware in the meantime, works fine.

[Anonymous No.8349619]

>>8349339
When you need replacement parts for that NG you'll be happy projects like mister exist.

[Anonymous No.8349626]

>>8349619
Or you know, he can just replace the caps

[Anonymous No.8349678]

>>8349157
FBNeo is less accurate than Mame for Neo Geo

[Anonymous No.8349843]

>>8349678
and?

[Anonymous No.8349856]

> discord mods continue to be soulless robots about the dual ram issue

[Anonymous No.8349860]

>>8349856
explain?

[Anonymous No.8349869]

>>8349860
Kitrinx keeps going off on how CRTs are for retards and Sentient is telling people that bought analog io boards to go quit bitching and buy dual ram instead.

[Anonymous No.8350415]

>>8344669
i thought jotego said cps3 wouldn't be possible because of memory latency or something?

[Anonymous No.8350464]

>>8350415
pathetic

[Anonymous No.8350476]

>>8350415
Jotego in his rebellious fashion is not targeting MiSTer alone, he ports his cores to many less known FPGA platforms as long as they work. A few months ago he found out that an obscure ZX Spectrum-centric device had a super fast RAM which had not been used to its full potential yet. If MiSTer can't cut it, Jotego will work with other platforms.

[Anonymous No.8350497]

>>8350476
What are some of the more popular ones after MiSTer?

[Anonymous No.8350517]

>>8349339
>We

Nice larp.

[Anonymous No.8350549]

>>8350497
I have no popularity data, but Jotego actively supports two additional platforms: the original MiST and SiDi. The former is an old device which was eventually forked into MiSTer to adapt it to a more powerful board, the later is a newer board designed to be a cheaper unofficial alternative to MiST.

[Anonymous No.8350558]

>>8349869
Sorgelig got interested in this whole thing to comfortably play old games on an LCD display. He probably looks at Analog I/O board popularity with an absolute bewilderment.

[Anonymous No.8350812]

>>8349856
Meanwhile on the forum Azum asks people to cease panicking.

[Anonymous No.8350837]

>>8350812
I blame sentient stoking the fire as always.

[Anonymous No.8350950]

>>8350558
I'll never understand the point of MiSTer on LCDs. Wouldn't it be far easier to just build USB adapters for every controller you want to use? Or is the 5 seconds of loading in RA too much to bear?

[Anonymous No.8352109]

>>8350415
Sounds like he's going to try now that these e-beggars sent him the board.
I'll be impressed if he can get PGM working.

[Anonymous No.8352119]

>>8343598
It's a well known fact that the DE-10 Nano is heavily subsidized and sold at a loss by Terasic. Its intended usage is for education, I'm surprised they haven't been more strict about limiting who can buy them. They've even posted on the MiSTer forum about all the retards frying their boards and then asking for warranty replacements.

[Anonymous No.8352129]

Always wanted one of these just for having a nice emulation box in my living room. When the PS1 core comes out, will it require any kind of extra hardware? I've really been waiting for that to come out before I pull the trigger on one. If it'll just run on the current configurations that people use for other systems, I might just get a Mister now in case fucking YouTubers doing videos on the PS1 drives demand up.

[Anonymous No.8352182]

>>8352119
I doubt it's actually sold at a loss. They probably make a slight profit at retail, and break even or make a slight loss when they sell to students.

>>8352129
Worst case it might need an extra SDRAM, but it probably won't even need that. Buy all the extra boards and shit from China, local resellers price gauge the fuck out of most of them. Some stuff is still cheaper from the local places though.

[Anonymous No.8352214]

While on the topic of Analog I/Ocaust, I ran into one of the friendly merchants on facebook claiming to be involved with the Saturn core and stating "additional bandwidth will be needed, I won't say more". Take that as you will, don't quite buy it myself yet.

>>8352129
Get the DE10-Nano now, that's the core and the specs won't change. There's no reason to rush for the rest, chances are revisions will be out by then. And yes, it is just lego, you can't fuck up as long as you follow really simple instructions

[Anonymous No.8352220]

>>8352214
>Get the DE10-Nano now, that's the core and the specs won't change.
Unless you want to play the relevant consoles

[Anonymous No.8352224]

>>8352220
Read the conversation.

[Anonymous No.8353523]

no point in these mister threads
until jannies start nuking / issuing warnings for shitposting in here


95% of the thread is filled w/ tards that dont have $150 for the de-10

i cant think of anything more annoying no other console/system gets flamed this much

upcoming cores:
cps2, jaguar, ps1, possibly saturn

[Anonymous No.8354209]

>>8353523
They're nice for a compact and silent tv game, Rpi is a bit gutless for good emu and PC is too wheezy. Also I like being able to hook up to CRT for feels.

[Anonymous No.8354262]

>>8354209
booting up my ridiculous gaming pc to play snes is completely insane (overkill)

mister has a godtier ui that says out of the way

[Anonymous No.8354908]

>>8353523
>muh money
I have all real hardware and also a modern computer
if you want an emulation box then a computer will be better
just admit it's an RPi with higher accuracy and lower compatibility

[Anonymous No.8354928]

>>8354908
Why don't you fuck off?

[Anonymous No.8355918]

>>8354908
>herp derp im rich and have 50+ consoles
so do most of the fags in here
i have a rp3 and to say that the mister is "better" is an understatement

why do you come into threads about things you dont like? do you have any idea how autistic that is


not only is your opinion wrong, people are dumber for believing you - you dont have a mister how could you possibly have the slightest idea wtf you are talking about


f u c k

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[Anonymous No.8356513]

https://youtu.be/ike6HlKL9IU

Best value option.

[Anonymous No.8356579]

I just bit the bullet and ordered a DE10 nano. What controllers are you all using on your setups?

[Anonymous No.8356593]

>>8356579
Wii Classic Controller-compatible pads like NES and SNES Classic Edcition controllers through a USB adapter.
Retro-Bit's Saturn USB controller for anything requiring 6 face buttons (like Genesis or CPS-2), but I want to eventually upgrade to the real deal.

[Anonymous No.8356689]

>>8356593
I'm really tempted by that retrobit Saturn pad (mostly interested in Mega Drive and that era of arcade games) but I've heard you have to switch between dinput and xinput every time you boot up. I'm guessing that's bullshit?

[Anonymous No.8356726]

>>8356689
It works in both modes and according to MisterAddons's controller latency spreadsheet the difference is negligible. I can't check right now (it's almost 4 AM in my timezone), but I think it boots in dinput by default, I may be wrong.
There's a minor but noticeable issue with wired controller that it is impossible to press Start+A or Start+X at the same time because those combinations are reserved for mode switching.

[Anonymous No.8356747]

>>8356726
Thanks for the info.

[Anonymous No.8356961]

>>8356579
Retrobit megadrive pads, some old x360 fightpads and an xbone third-party controller.

>>8356593
What usb adapter for the wii controllers?

[Anonymous No.8356964]

>>8356961
Raphnet classic controller to USB adapter is very good. It can be out of stock sometimes because it is highly desired by the Guitar Hero fans of all people due to its very low latency.

[Anonymous No.8356965]

>>8356726
Damn low latency on the retrobits.

[Anonymous No.8356973]

>>8356965
Somehow still not enough to overthrow the king,

[Anonymous No.8357021]

>>8354928
>>8355918
this is literally you

[Anonymous No.8357078]

>>8356964
Cool. I've got nes/snes minis it would be great to use those controllers.

[Anonymous No.8357163]

>>8357021
Shh, nobody tell him.

[Anonymous No.8357262]

>>8357021
i have a snes classic though

[Anonymous No.8357934]

>https://twitter.com/AzumFpg/status/1463191324736249860
Anons...

[Anonymous No.8357937]

>>8357934
This Duckstation port is coming along great.

[Anonymous No.8358008]

>>8356579
Depends on the core.
Original NES, SNES, Mega Drive, and Master System controllers for those cores via SNAC
PC Engine Mini controllers for PC Engine stuff
Hori RAP3 stick for arcade and Neogeo
Xbox One Elite controller for everything else

[Anonymous No.8358557]

>>8357937
He programmed his own software emulator and is porting that, but nice try

[Anonymous No.8358583]

>>8358557
https://youtu.be/EMZVp48SMps?t=262

[Anonymous No.8358605]

>>8358583
That doesn't mean he's porting Duckstation wholesale you plank

[Anonymous No.8358620]

>>8358605
Either way you're getting a de facto software emulator that doesn't care about reproducing the original hardware accurately.

[Anonymous No.8358645]

>>8358620
As he said, the software emulator he made was to allow him to understand how the components interact as a system whole. As long as the software emulator he made is accurate, if he can implement it in VHDL then the FPGA core will be accurate. No one questions whether bsnes is accurate (it is) so you can't complain that it won't be accurate with no evidence and before we've seen a mature version.

[Anonymous No.8358658]

>>8358645
>As long as the software emulator he made is accurate...
I thought the point of using an FPGA is that it wouldn't be.

[Anonymous No.8358663]

>>8328370
At least it was until it emulated everything up.

[Anonymous No.8358676]

>>8358658
The great appeal of MiSTer and FPGA in general for me is accurate, dedicated low level emulation with no overhead. It does what it does without having to competing for system resources. It's just a pure gaming system, you switch it on and if you set it up to boot straight into a core/game you're literally playing it within a second of hitting the power switch.

[Anonymous No.8358898]

>>8358620
And which PS1 is the real original hardware then you no-MiSTer seething moron?

The consoles with VRAM from 1994-1996 which have more slowdown in games or the newer SGRAM consoles?

[Anonymous No.8358998]

>>8358658
With software emulation, accuracy and performance are somewhat mutually exclusive. Trying to achieve both is extremely difficult, and results in greatly increased code complexity, loss of modularity, spaghetti-code, significant deviation from the physical implementation of the hardware, instead implementing a functional equivalent more suited to cpu processing.

If you are coding an emulator not to be playable but instead just to understand the hardware it can be quite easy to make it 100% accurate, but it will be slow. But since you are not trying to make it fast, you can code it to directly resemble the hardware and have the code directly mimic the exact functionality and layout of the real hardware.

[Anonymous No.8359083]

>>8358898
Either will do as long as it's accurate. Otherwise it's just another emulator.

[Anonymous No.8359228]

>>8356579
I recommend those retrobit genesis controllers, besides being nice controllers they have low latency and can easily switch input schemes for compatibility on PC.

[Anonymous No.8359254]

>>8328370
Faggotry
Pedophilia
Gay
Activator

[Anonymous No.8359289]

>>8359254

[Anonymous No.8359346]

>>8359254
That's the best acrostic you can come up with, poorfag ESLkun?
White children grasp how to make logical ones in English class before their age is in double digits. Yours reads like something a retarded homo would write on the wall of their padded cell with their feces as they're tested with Jung word association.

[Anonymous No.8359542]

>>8359346
Faggot
Pedo
Gay
Activated

[Anonymous No.8360778]

>>8356513
I hate this youtube channel.

[ニガー No.8360824]

>>8329472
No input delay unlike emulators

[Anonymous No.8361016]

>>8360824
>No input delay unlike emulators
not really an issue with current emulation

[Anonymous No.8361141]

>>8358620
Duckstation is already accurate enough. We aren't 10 years ago using ePSXe anymore, modern PSX emulation is extremely well developed and most of the components are well understood and documented.

Is this core the end-game of FPGA development for PS1? No. Hell, the MiSTer can't even beat the PS1 in a couple of niche tests draw tests due to memory latency. Is that going to make any difference for games? Probably not. 99% of people will be using the turbo version that draws the polygons faster so they don't have to suffer through 10 fps slideshows, nobody is going to notice a subframe timing discrepancy on single pixel line draws. In another decade maybe we'll have a fancier board that can implement more things at a bare metal level rather than abstractions, and the total sum of the differences will be 0.01% and invisible in 99% of games.

[Anonymous No.8361182]

>>8361141
>Duckstation is already accurate enough.
You could have ended it there.

[Anonymous No.8361202]

>>8361016
This. I can almost beat Mr, Dream with Nintendo Online, so the better emulators smoke that one, no contest and everyone knows it.

[Anonymous No.8361732]

>>8361016
Still more of an issue than on FPGA. Those ms add up.

[Anonymous No.8362574]

>>8361141
>Hell, the MiSTer can't even beat the PS1 in a couple of niche tests draw tests due to memory latency.
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.8362653]

>>8360778
This, tired of seeing it shilled. Why aren't there any MiSTer channels run by people who are channels with a more technical background and understanding? Same issue with channels that cover regular ass software emulation

[Anonymous No.8362851]

>>8362653
>Why aren't there any MiSTer channels run by people who are channels with a more technical background and understanding?
No meming or elitism intended, it's because mister is still niche enough that any knowledgeable players are just playing it. YouTube videos tend to happen when enough people need them that they become profitable through advertising.

[Anonymous No.8362882]

... So I'm a dumb retard, I don't get it.

Is this shit emulation or not? Are they talking about it as if it's not emulation when really it is but just a different kind of emulation?

What's the deal? It can't be "hardware accurate" unless it just replicates the hardware, surely.

(Also why isn't that a thing, surely it'd be piss easy to just make replicas of old weak ass chips and shit nowadays, and slap it on a modular arduino thing or some shit)

[Anonymous No.8362894]

>>8362882
It does "replicate the hardware". FPGA literally can be configured exactly as per the original hardware at the chip logic level, although that requires a lot of work.

[Anonymous No.8362898]

>>8362894

Right, but how? It's not an exact copy of the hardware, so it's just like... A chip that gets configured to act like another chip?

[Anonymous No.8362920]

>>8362898
Yeah that's it. A chip is just a miniaturized circuit and often has many revisions and cost reducing reimplementations, the FPGA is just a reconfigurable chip which now can be programmed to preproduce every chip and interconnect on these old systems.

[Anonymous No.8362921]

>>8362898
>so it's just like... A chip that gets configured to act like another chip?
Yes. FPGAs get used a lot for prototyping by actual chip designers.

[Anonymous No.8362926]

>>8362898
this is what it looks like under microscope

[Anonymous No.8362947]

For a TV connected game system, a RPI is a lag shitshow and a PC is noisy and shit. Mister is ste and forget there is no comparison eat shit haters ur r ghey.

[Anonymous No.8362960]

>>8360778
>adds up the current market value of half the popular systems you can emulate
>SEE! MiSTer is such a great value proposition!!
>seemingly unaware his audience are watching on PC/MAC and capable of understanding emulation - that's how most got to his channel in the first place.
Sheesh. I'm a MiSTer shill, and I like VGE's channel, but even i cringed at that video.

[Anonymous No.8362995]

>>8362960
the entire channel is v cringe

however, all the console cores that are fully cooked out of the box are ready to go with minimal fuckery involved

i have a separate crt and mister on a power switch i can be up and gaming in less than 8 seconds

the rp3 is a pos comparatively
i have a ridiculous i7 10th gen pc
but even liquid cooled it still makes noise

the mister can run w/on fan until you start running ridiculous shit

[Anonymous No.8362997]

>>8362898
If the core is good, it is literally an exact copy of the hardware.
An FPGA can be programmed with any logic. It is made up of programmable logic units, and given enough of them, you can make an FPGA mimic any circuit you like, but at the hardware level. Give it the logic of e.g. a Megadrive and it will electrically be a Megadrive. So much so that if necessary you could program an FPGA to take the place of a circuit in original hardware. It's a circuit that is physically reconfigured by software.

[Anonymous No.8363048]

>>8362920
>>8362921
>>8362997

Thanks bros, I get it now.

Seems like a good idea, you think one day this tech will be mature enough that you can put together a box to accurately replicate all the good old hardware?

Why does their page say they're never planning N64? Is the N64 really that fucktarded not even this can replicate it?

[Anonymous No.8363065]

>>8362995
I don't have a fan on a full classic mister hamburger. No issues.

[Anonymous No.8363071]

>>8363048
The n64 chips are too comes to fit into the mister FPGA. It could be done on a bigger or multiple FPGAs and will happen eventually. PS1 and Saturn are probably the limit of the FPGA budget for the mister.

[Anonymous No.8363090]

>>8362997
Virtually zero difference in emulating hardware in software and doing FPGA on inferior, limited hardware to do the same thing. MISTer is a cult and a sham to sell expensive little toys to people brainwashed into thinking emulation is somehow inferior.

[Anonymous No.8363109]

>>8363090
>pi-gger

[Anonymous No.8363112]

>>8363048
An FPGA has a limit in terms of how much silicon it can simulate, and the N64 is simply Too Big.

[Anonymous No.8363115]

>>8361732
nope, not unless you are using shit hardware, with the next gen of intel chips it should probably be even less of an issue

[Anonymous No.8363125]

>>8363109
The best MiSTer cultists can do is a lame fucking insult instead of presenting actual facts. Oh wait, they have no actual facts that show their overpriced garbage is good.
I win.

[Anonymous No.8363136]

>>8363125
b-b-but one arcade game has a bug in a cutscene on mame

[Anonymous No.8363260]

>>8363115
Still more latency.

[Anonymous No.8363359]

>>8363090
Is running actual hardware inferior too?

[Anonymous No.8363418]

>>8362574
https://youtu.be/EMZVp48SMps?t=589

[Anonymous No.8363492]

>>8363418
interesting to watch, thank you for posting.

[Anonymous No.8363505]

>>8363418
The mister core is still alpha.

[Anonymous No.8363515]

>>8363136
Chances are that it won’t play on a mister though

[Anonymous No.8363595]

>>8363090
Your brain is inferior hardware, of the homosexual variety.

[Anonymous No.8363614]

>>8363071
>>8363112
This is not quite true. The logic of an N64 likely would fit, but the chips run at too high a clock speed for the FPGA to maintain stability. It's possible that a mixture of hardware and software emulation could do it, but that sort of defeats the point.
See also: Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.8363786]

>>8363505
It performs worse because it's bottlenecked by DRAM, revising the core won't do much.

That said, it probably doesn't matter since it's an extreme corner case.

[Anonymous No.8363789]

>>8328370
Misterbros, they are making fun of us again >>8363762

[Anonymous No.8363791]

>>8363789
> famiclone has a mistake
> its fucked forever
> mister core has a mistake
> it can be patched
Most updates either add/change features or fix cartridge mappers.

[Anonymous No.8363793]

>>8363791
>emulator has a mistake
>it can never be patched because reasons

[Anonymous No.8363847]

>>8363793
> changing the argument to try and sound smart
Both can be updated. Chips in famiclones aren't printed and fucked forever.

[Anonymous No.8363970]

Is it worth to play shmups on this shit?

[Anonymous No.8363973]

>>8363970
Yes, most games don't need accurate slowdown emulation but shmups are an exception.

[Anonymous No.8363975]

>>8363973
I always felt that slowdown made them too easy, hence why I always overclock my emulators

[Anonymous No.8364128]

Breaking news, dual ram no longer required for PS1 core

[Anonymous No.8364185]

>>8364128
Cool, post a build.

[Anonymous No.8364381]

>>8364128
And a new video to celebrate this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlUnm2kQUUU

[Anonymous No.8364391]

Just played some RidgeRacer on the PSX beta core. Feels good man

[Anonymous No.8364413]

>>8364128
Direct video doomers on suicide watch!

[Anonymous No.8364470]

>>8364413
Don't worry they're still clinging to the dual ram is necessary for audio myth.

[Anonymous No.8364489]

>>8364470
They should switch gears into hyping 24 bit color as an absolute requirement.

[Anonymous No.8364490]

>>8364489
If you want to emulate, just emulate.

[Anonymous No.8364496]

>>8364490
MiSTer is my emulator of choice!

[Anonymous No.8364601]

>>8363786
Yes but still the development can start so when the next FPGA platform that succeeds the DE-10 lands, it will be ready.

[Anonymous No.8364605]

>>8363970
Dodonpachi is getting into a decent shape.

[Anonymous No.8364630]

Wow hater’s gonna hate. Imagine living in a world where there are no options.

[Anonymous No.8364739]

Main:

- Support for loadable Shadow Masks as proposed by Martin Donlon.
you must download masks from https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/ShadowMasks_MiSTer and place to Shadow_Masks folder on SD card.

- input: fix keyboard to joystick mapping.

- user_io: fixes and tweaks in image I/O, support 2352 byte/sector for PSX core.

- improved screenshots (alanswx).

Add Shadow Masks support

Release of Shadow Mask support by Gregory Hogan. For better flexibility masks are loadable.
Make Sure you updated Main as well.

Currently following cores have been updated with Shadow Masks:

SNES
NES
TurboGraphx16
NeoGeo
Genesis
MegaCD


If everything will go well, other cores will be updated too.

[Anonymous No.8364754]

>>8328370
>edge magazine does a massive multi page article about you
>interviews with all the head honchos talking about how the thing works
>in the end the conclusion is that they're no more accurate than software emulators and they cost money while software ones are free

[Anonymous No.8364979]

>>8364754
Definitely lower latency than any pi, drives RGB perfectly.

[Anonymous No.8365334]

>>8364739
Sweet, been waiting for wider shadow mask support, it was pretty damn good on Jotego's cores

[Anonymous No.8365342]

>>8364754
MiSTer cores are completely free numbnuts

[Anonymous No.8365343]

>>8328556
Mister is arcade-pcb oriented. PlayStation isn't really a major goal for it since a modded PlayStation is cheap.

[Anonymous No.8365347]

>>8364754
For anyone interested in the context, this is the article she means.
https://www.pressreader.com/australia/edge/20210422/284249533161844

[Anonymous No.8365349]

>>8339731
bruh /vr/ is one of the cheapest hobbies. The idea that this thing is expensive is absurd. Go ask a MTG player how much they spent on their hobby.

[Anonymous No.8365361]

>>8365349
It's not expensive though. Pi-gger.

[Anonymous No.8365372]

>>8365343
Sorgelig (lead dev) himself has said in an interview before that he feels working on arcade cores is stupid because you would end up with a couple of working games instead of hundreds provided by consoles/computers. The lead dev gang works mainly on those platforms, arcade cores are mostly made by side people.

[Anonymous No.8365440]

>>8365372
Yeah it's a shitload of effort for minimal returns. That's why I can't fault jotego for trying to get paid for it. Those boards aren't cheap.

[Anonymous No.8365448]

>>8365440
Jotego has also employed a paid assistant now

[Anonymous No.8365462]

>>8365448
That's good. Anything to get cores out faster.

[Anonymous No.8365465]

>>8328452
>hardware copy of the system
It's still interpreting hardware through software, even if at a lower level.

[Anonymous No.8365469]

>>8328556
>my phone
Look at this fucking normie here. Go post about it on your facebook.

[Anonymous No.8365483]

>>8365465
It's not doing anything by software. The closest thing to software is the language the cores are written in (VHDL), but that's functions more like a hardware schematic than a programming language.

[Anonymous No.8365509]

>>8365465
Let me guess you typed that on a an iPhone?

[Anonymous No.8365694]

>>8365509
Cool non-sequitur, brah.

[Anonymous No.8365779]

>>8361016
You mean "runahead" on software emulators that needs to be configured for every game due to variable latency from game to game?

[Anonymous No.8365937]

>>8365779
>that needs to be configured for every game due to variable latency from game to game?
no

[Anonymous No.8366017]

>>8329298
Is this not just to use an actual gba as a controller?

I have a hard time believing you could use this to trade pokemon with this thing

[Anonymous No.8366189]

>>8366017
It can connect to GB.

[Anonymous No.8366415]

Is it true that Jotego's putting Patreon names on his core menus? How that's looks like? Picture, please. I can't believe this shit is real

[Anonymous No.8366486]

>>8366415
It's not in the menu, it's in the pause screen and you can turn it off.

[Anonymous No.8366638]

>>8366017
You can literally connect a real game boy and play any game with a versus mode.

[Anonymous No.8368008]

Go play some Commodore Plus/4 games for extra variety.

[Anonymous No.8368796]

>>8368008
Classic example of a system that is a good candidate for FPGA. The CPU, Ted and pla chips in the c16/plus4 are known to be popping and can be replaced Beith FPGA equivalents. Projects like mister smoke test that work.

[Anonymous No.8368926]

>>8328427
For my use case specifically its very easy to setup with a CRT and capture it at the same time and it has zero latency compared to real hardware. Retroarch does have run ahead but its a pain to set individually for each game.

I just wish mister was better with controller swapping since I can see this being used in tournaments/offline gatherings for fighting games from now on.

[Anonymous No.8368969]

>>8328427
Honestly, nothing really
Everyone will tout non issues because they’re coming off stuff they don’t like
Emulators will still give you more of everything

[Anonymous No.8369336]

>>8368926
I think byo controller is console cancer. Tournament should be on the same installed standard control that everyone uses for the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.8370669]

Does anyone have the new PSX build?

[Anonymous No.8370847]

>>8370669
Rename it to playstation.
https://files.catbox.moe/k9mhqw.rbf

[Anonymous No.8370910]

>>8365372
Yet most of the people buying the product are doing so for the arcade cores.

[Anonymous No.8370923]

>>8370910
Arcade machines are where software emulators suck so it makes sense.