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Why the fuck should I shell out 291 dollars when the Turbo EverDrive is only 86 bucks?
All the good games came on HuCards anyway.

>> No.8291175

Only like two good games came on the CD anyway.

>> No.8291195

If you're getting this to play CD games you may as well just emulate the whole console.

>> No.8291214

>>8291195
what

>> No.8291370
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>>8290868
The CD games appeal more to me. Which is a reason I was glad there was no region locking for the CD titles. I have found some good HuCard titles I like, but for the most part the CD titles were the reason I had such fondness of the system.

>> No.8291381

>>8291195
That's an exaggeration. It's essentially the same as any ODE out there.
>>8290868
>All the good games came on HuCards anyway.
You can tell yourself that, but it isn't remotely true.

>> No.8291392

>>8291381
>That's an exaggeration.
It is, but it's how I feel.

Signed, anonymous

>> No.8291949

>>8291370
Damn, I need to get my TurboExpress recapped and screen replaced.

>> No.8292127

>>8290868
>All the good games came on HuCards
Good joke. All of the major titles were CD based.

The real reason you shouldn't get the SSD3 is because it's hot garbage. Just use a Wii or a MiSTer if you want to play on a CRT.

>> No.8292202

>>8291392
How you feel is irrelevant, the only thing you are emulating is a spinning disc and the ability of the console to process it

>> No.8292209

>>8292202
Excellent point anon. Have you considered: my balls

>> No.8292215

>>8292209
Are you the anon that keeps getting BTFO on this ODE
Lol, stubborn aren’t ya

>> No.8292324

>>8292215
No, I'm someone else. Sorry man

>> No.8292648

>>8290868
literally 291 dollarydoos to play rondo

>> No.8292779

>>8290868
You shouldnt' You should emulate like the retarded eop poorfag you are.

>> No.8292781

>>8290868
does terraonion shit still have DRM ridden firmware? for me that's the biggest reason.

>> No.8292895

>>8291175
What kind of retarded take is this? Tons of great CD games for PCE.

>> No.8292937

>>8292781
DRM?
If you mean the licence for firmware updates, but I’m sure they allow transfer of licenses
then yes

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>>8290868
>$40 phone + $10 gamepad
>play every retro game known to man

>> No.8293121

>>8292937
I'm more so concerned about EOL. If the terraonion site goes down or something then how are we supposed to install the firmware? At least with Everdrive stuff it's just a file you unzip and isn't locked to a single device.

>> No.8293486

>>8293121
Oh yeah that’s a good pint. Fuck DRM.

>> No.8293498

>>8293121
If the unit is already updated, who the fuck cares? Chances of you finding one that's on original firmware are incredibly small.

>>8290868
I think you missed or overlooked literally all of the features: HDMI out, SuperGrafx support, ODE to play CD-ROMs.
If none of that shit matters to you, yeah, buy a Turbo ED. Why are you even asking?
This is bait.

>> No.8293506

I prefer being able to hear the disc drive go brrrrr, personally

>> No.8293508

>>8293095
B-B-B-B-BUT I NEED things to fit into my pockets. How else will I carry more than two things at once?

>> No.8293523
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8293523

>>8293498
>If the unit is already updated, who the fuck cares?
>SD card dies

>> No.8293550

>>8293523
firmware isn't part of the SD card mate

>> No.8293558

>>8293506
Same, but ODE fags will argue such aesthetic issues don't matter.
I wish they would just acknowledge that there is a sacrifice to be made for the convenience and reliability of ODEs.
The sights and sounds of a spinning disc itself are pretty great, especially with something like the CD-ROM2 drive and interface unit.
Now I'll get an influx of (You)s raging that I'm mentally ill and that I don't actually play games.

>> No.8293563

>>8293558
no one's taking that away from you dude so I don't know why your angry about alternatives

>> No.8293565

>>8293563
Not angry even a little bit. ODEs are great and important.
But people act as if there's absolutely nothing to be lost by using one are definitely on here and definitely get really worked up about it.

>> No.8293570

>>8293565
I mean there isn't
https://youtu.be/qWkv1sgKSL0?t=6
you could get this if you really wanted

>> No.8293573

>>8293570
I have a mini and I'm precisely arguing that they went to the trouble of making the little CD-ROM2 animation because it is an important part of the PC Engine experience.
Still no replacement for the real deal, though.

>> No.8293586

>>8293573
>it is an important part of the PC Engine experience
this just sounds like a nostalgia thing for something you had no nostalgia for
it's cool and all but ultimately it's just a personal nitpick for you
As someone that had disc based systems growing up, fuck dealing with that shit, there's only so much you can deal with turning a console upside down and resetting it til it starts the game

>> No.8293613

>>8293586
I had disc based systems growing up too and never had issues with them.
Probably because I didn't have a PS1. That thing seems to have the least reliable laser.
It's true I don't have nostalgia for the PC Engine, but I still want to enjoy it in its original form as much as I can. To do that I do trade convenience and reliability and I recognize that.

>> No.8293835

>>8290868
Y-you just do...ok?!

>> No.8294079
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8294079

>>8293506

>> No.8294085

one day.. one day i'll fucking be able to afford a pc engine cd duo

>> No.8294087

>>8294079
lol that filename

>> No.8294109

>>8293558
>The sights and sounds of a spinning disc
We're half way there brah. See >>8294079

>>8294087
That's literally the name of the device

>> No.8294149

>>8293613
I grew up with a PS1 and have never had a problem with the laser, but I also never did the swap trick on my console. My PS2 slim gave me problems before my PS1 ever has, and even then that was just the ribbon cable on the laser coming unglued.

>> No.8294152

>>8294085
Start saving now if you haven't already.

>> No.8294164

>>8293498
I'm saying in the future. If I don't have the firmware backed up and no one can upload their copy, then how am I supposed to use it if my SD card dies? Or, if I have my files backed up but someone else doesn't, how am I supposed to help them out?
it's absurd to me that a pirate device has DRM to prevent counterfeiting. Same with the Mode and the Genesis cart he makes.

>> No.8294591
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8294591

>>8293498
You're really flaunting your youth and inexperience there bucko. You'd shit those MLP diapers you're wearing if you had any idea how many times people have had trouble with firmware on old devices.

>> No.8294850

>>8294591
if it doesn’t work just mine more crypto and buy it again
t. zoomer retro gamer mr anonymous subscribe to pewdiepie

>> No.8294889

>>8292202
With the Pro in particular, there is in fact more emulation going on than other ODEs, and even their previous model. The FPGA in there is doing the bulk of the work for video output, CD processing both in terms of reading, and data and audio streaming /decoding, and I some cases it's even emulating more of the system, notably with SuperGrafx. There is a possibility that even during regular CD playback there's even more emulation of the main system going in than is let on, especially considering all the bugs and inaccuracies initially reported.

To each his own though, but I might agree with the notion that at some point when you're emulating a large portion of the system (either in software or via FPGA), you may as well just emulate the whole thing.

>> No.8294904

>>8294889
That's actually exactly what I was alluding to but I didnt know enough of the particulars about what the FPGA does to not come across as the "anon who keeps getting btfo on this ode"

>> No.8294996

>>8291381
>You can tell yourself that, but it isn't remotely true.
>muh rondo
>muh sapphire
And we're done here.

>> No.8295027

>>8294996
snatcher is also pretty nice

>> No.8295032

>>8295027
I'm facing a Sophie's Choice-style dillema with Snatcher. I have both a PSone and a Super CD-ROM2. Which version should I play? I'm leaning towards PSX since I have a mouse.

>> No.8295060

>>8295032
play the genesis version

>> No.8295094

>>8295060
anon you have added chaos to my already chaotic decision making process. why

>> No.8295297

>>8294889
The only layer of emulation is the super graphix and it is literally that, a layer
Everything is still through the main console
You can test this by using the consoles own video output instead of the ode
The digital output is drawn out of the console itself and you can believe whatever you want, none of which is true

>> No.8295523

>>8295094
He is right though, the pc engine version is untranslated and the ps1 version is not as good
If you can read Japanese, play the PC engine version

>> No.8295746

>>8295523
I'm surprised to hear the ps1 version is the inferior one. Looks like I'll try the PCE version

>> No.8296268

>>8294164
The firmware is written TO THE DEVICE. The firmware isn't stored on the SD card.

>>8294591
I'm probably older than you. I've been buying this crap for over 20 years. Never once have I had to rewrite firmware, ever. Maybe I'm just not a retard? Verification not required.

>> No.8296418

>>8292781
>>8293121
>>8293486
>>8294164

All you have to do is ask TO themselves instead of a bunch of anons.
But don't worry, I already did this for you.
TO has stated that if for whatever reason they go bellyup they will will release a final universal firmware that is not tied to accounts or serial numbers

>> No.8296425

>>8290868
The CD has a lot of great games but they require you to be fluent in Japanese.
Personally I'm hoping Krikkz will make something that supports CD games.

>> No.8296504

>>8296418
that's good to know but I still think any kind of DRM for a device made to pirate games is still very silly.

>>8296268
It's not like an Everdrive where the OS is loaded from the SD card? it's actually flashed to the system itself?

>> No.8296532

>>8294996
The Ys series and Valis series are also cool and if you can read Japanese there are tons of JRPGs such as Far East of Eden 1 and 2.

>> No.8296550

>>8296504
>It's not like an Everdrive
no, because it is an ODE

>> No.8296558

>>8296425
>Personally I'm hoping Krikkz will make something that supports CD games
well I think it would need to be through the back of the device like the SSDS3

>> No.8296584

>>8295094
>>8295746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kq_d0TUKS4

Go with the Sega CD version. Avoid the Saturn and PS1 versions. According to the video, the graphics are a bit better in the PCE version, but the sound quality is higher on Sega CD. The Sega CD also has added scenes, redrawn art, and is the only version that ever got an English translation.

>> No.8296589

>>8296584
Eh
I think the PC engine is the best version but is really only accessible if you can understand japanese

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8296784

>>8296418
>DRM GOOD
>THEY PROMISED YOU GUYS
kys

>> No.8296816

>>8296784
>DRM
thats not DRM

>> No.8296850

>>8296550
it's still an fpga.

>> No.8296861

>>8296816
you're right it's hardware rights management.

>> No.8296868

>>8296861
it's more like a license to update firmware as the product still functions regardless
they also do transfer of licenses as far as I'm aware

>> No.8296869

>>8296868
how do they handle buying a used system?

>> No.8296870

>>8296850
as are all ODE's

>> No.8296871

>>8296870
that's why I was confused. I thought that it was, in general, a safer design to just load the firmware from the SD card rather than persistently flashing it.

>> No.8296875

>>8296871
>to just load the firmware
do you know what firmware is?

>> No.8296879

>>8296875
yeah it's like the OS. it doesn't necessarily need to be persistent between boots.

>> No.8296880

>>8296816
you have to be at least 18 to post here
>>8296869
email them and wish for the best
(no really, that's how they do it, by saying pretty please and emailing them)

>> No.8296883

>>8296879
>yeah it's like the OS
no, it's like the BIOS not the OS, OS is software

>> No.8296890

>>8296880
do you even know what DRM means or is that some word you just use for everything
>I left my DRM inside and now I can't open the door

>> No.8296892
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8296892

>>8296883
alright I gotcha then. so there's a basic layer that works below the actually OS.
my point still stands. the thing isn't fully functional without that OS layer and tying it to a device specific serial number is still scummy. What if it breaks and to fix it you need to replace the thing that the serial number is attached to? It either contributes to e waste or gives the device a permanent EOL.
I'm not asking for it to be open source, just for the firmware to be serial agnostic to begin with. Simple really.

>> No.8296898

>>8296892
>What if it breaks and to fix it you need to replace the thing that the serial number is attached to?
then wouldn't you return it and get a new serial to go with the new hardware?
do you mean if it bricks and you're not under license?
like I said, I'm pretty sure they do license transfers

>> No.8296902

>>8296418
>TO has stated
Sauce?

>> No.8296903

>>8296898
>then wouldn't you return it and get a new serial to go with the new hardware?
that seems like a pain in the ass for everyone involved.
All I'm saying is that nothing good comes from serialized hardware. There isn't a point to it. If someone is smart enough to replicate the entirety of these devices then they are probably smart enough to write their own OS for it. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

>> No.8296909

>>8296903
>that seems like a pain in the ass for everyone involved
you just said broken hardware?
I don't understand what else you think you'd do with broken hardware?
attempt to fix a fried chip?

>> No.8296914

>>8296909
you can replace whatever component is broken. I doubt they use any proprietary chips in the thing. board level repair is still a thing.

>> No.8296916

>>8296418
I would hope that's the case. Even if that doesn't happen, how easy would it be to reverse-engineer the firmware?

>> No.8296918

>>8296914
is this just bait now?
this is extremely far away from what we're talking about now
you sound like you just want chink copies on the market

>> No.8296926

>>8296918
no I want to be able to use the pirate cart I paid 300 bucks for to work past EOL if and when TO gets raided by Turkish feds and his website goes down. I want to be able to fix my shit without needing to beg the person who sold it to me to swap serial numbers around. I want to able to keep and share a backup copy of the firmware without needing to worry about serial number crap.
Stop advocating for DRM you fucking cuck.

>> No.8296930 [DELETED] 

>>8296926
>>8296892

>> No.8296936

>>8296926
>>8296418

>> No.8296942

>>8296418
Talk is cheap. If they are aware of EOL problems then why don't they resolve them now?

>> No.8297169

>>8296418
>just trust em bro they are gonna release the source code I swear
again you have to be over 18 to post here

>> No.8297220

>>8296418
>TO has stated that if for whatever reason they go bellyup they will will release a final universal firmware that is not tied to accounts or serial numbers
I've got a bridge to sell to you.

>> No.8297224

>>8296926
why would turkish feds raid an Andorran company

>> No.8297230

>>8296942
>>8297169
>>8297220
Jesus Christ dude, what beef have you got with them, this shit seems personal

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>>8297224
I thought Terraonion was Turkish for some reason. My burger brain thought Andorra was a place in Turkey.

>>8297230
It's nothing personal, I just see his business practices as hypocritical and immoral. His EOL plan is basically "dude trust us" when EOL could mean anything from "Terraonion has died" to "Terraonion got annoyed and quit the flashcart scene entirely" to even a mild "Terraonion got bored and but is still gonna fulfill his EOL plans regardless." I just care about the thing I paid for working past this undetermined sell by date. Every other device on the retro scene operates like this. Even the moody ass gdemu guy doesn't restrict firmware to a serial number despite his shit being copied to hell and back. Terraonion thinks his shit is a special exception to this, and for that reason alone it is not worth supporting.
I feel the same way about the PSIO. The retro hobby is fueled by the goodwill of others and paying for a product for any reason other than "it's good and the person who made it earned it" is a counterpoint to that goodwill. If the only deterrent of buying a clone system is the fact that there are systems in place to specifically prevent that, then that goodwill is lost. it becomes about greed and pride rather than sharing something good with the community.

>> No.8297435

>>8297429
sounds like you mixed up Andorra with Ankara

>> No.8297458

>>8296589
The Sega CD version has some added filler at the end, as well as justifier support, which is really the only reason to play it.

It's a shame that there's no Japanese romhackers. I wouldn't mind playing Sega CD Snatcher in Japanese with justifier support, but I don't see a point when it's a crappy translation with lots of redrawn graphics you have to suffer through.

>> No.8297519

>>8297429
>I just care about the thing I paid for working past this undetermined sell by date
As was stated before, it is a bios that is flashed to the main chip

>> No.8297580

>>8290868
>All the good games came on HuCards anyway
Don't make me laugh.

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8298149

>>8297230
Yes. My very personal crusade against the DRM Jews is extremely personal.

>> No.8298702

>>8296880
I've purchased and resold multiple TO products. Transferring ownership always goes off without a hitch, just send an email with the buyer's email address. I agree that it's annoying, but they need to protect their products from Chinese bootleggers. What you can you do. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

>> No.8298715

>>8296942
There are no "EOL" issues right now.

>>8297169
They never said they'd release the source. They said they would remove the protections preventing you from updating firmware without the file tied to your serial number and email.
In the interest of full disclosure, I sold all my TO products after the owner showed disrespect and a lack of professionalism to Krikz.

>> No.8298747

I'm >>8291195 and I'm sure it would please the Terraonion fans in this thread to know that I was anxiously waiting for my Super CD-ROM2 to show up on my porch while I was typing that.

>> No.8298812

>>8297429
>business practices as hypocritical and immoral
you mean the company that sells hardware specifically made to run pirated software?

>> No.8298818

>>8297169
The irony of this post

>> No.8298846

>>8298812
>you mean the company that sells hardware specifically made to run pirated software?
Pirated software doesn't exist for systems that are no longer produced and games whose developers no longer see a cent from third party resellers.

>> No.8298903

I have no idea what this thread is anymore

>> No.8298909

I got the regular one on Black Friday last year and I've used twice because most games don't work for me, is there a good romset anywhere?

>> No.8298915

>>8298909
On the archive, make sure it’s bin/cue with tracks
Also make sure your SD card has been formatted

>> No.8298917

>>8298715
>There are no "EOL" issues right now.
lol

>>8298812
it's hypocritical to sell hardware to run pirated software that has DRM attached to it. Immoral because DRM is inherently immoral as it only fucks the paying customer in the end.

>> No.8298925

>>8298915
thanks mate, on Archive.org? There are two or three of them, which one would you recommend?

>> No.8298929

>>8298917
>DRM
You keep using that word, you don’t need to get the firmware for it to work
Gdemu clones still work without needing firmware updates

>> No.8298932

>>8298925
I don’t know which one it was that I used but look in each ones zip files to see which has bin tracks and which has ISO’s
I think ISO’s are less reliable at running

>> No.8298935

>>8298929
does it come pre flashed with firmware?

>> No.8298936

>>8298929
>Gdemu clones still work without needing firmware updates
The clones all still have the RE:CV bug that requires save patching, and the much more minor SoA intro crash bug.

>> No.8299248

>>8298917
>"lol"
What did he mean by this? Serious question.

>>8298935
GDEMU and SSD3 come pre flashed.

>> No.8299265

>>8294591
hey fuck face

>> No.8299375

>>8298935
All TO products come preflashed with latest firmware

>> No.8299741

>>8296903
You are probably not smart enough to do either. And by probably I mean obviously.

>> No.8299831

>>8299741
Not to mention the fact that only replacing the main chip would have any effect on the firmware and for damn sure no one is replacing that

>> No.8299867

>>8293570
>Here's my Genesis Mini again running the PC Engine Mini app
Never knew about that, but glad that I can make my Genesis Mini a literal Turbografx Mini

>> No.8299892

>>8299741
okay?
>>8299831
so we're just gonna let this stuff become e waste when it breaks?

>> No.8299903

>>8299892
>so we're just gonna let this stuff become e waste when it breaks?
stop pretending like you give a shit about something you don't want
just admit you want someone to copy the firmware for cheap chink copies

>> No.8299989

>>8299903
no I just don't want this shit to turn into landfill crud because it's unusable without a serial key. Apple does similar stuff and there are rumors that they may be taken to court over it.

>> No.8300013

>>8299989
I don’t think you understand what right to repair means if you’re applying it to this

>> No.8300029

>>8297429
>My burger brain thought Andorra was a place in Turkey.
guess you're referring to Anatolia?

>> No.8300101

>>8299903
no
t. person who owns several of the high end Krikkz carts

>> No.8300180

>>8299989
>unusable without a serial
Except it IS usable right out of the box

>> No.8300203

>>8298715
> I sold all my TO products after the owner showed disrespect and a lack of professionalism to Krikz
What a fag
>>8299892
>so we're just gonna let this stuff become e waste when it breaks?
This isn’t a TO specific problem. Krikzz has a habit of releasing an entirely new hardware revision for any new feature he comes up with. Far worse business practice and and much more wasteful

>> No.8300253

>>8300180
>bug blocks your path
>that’s where you are wrong kiddo

>> No.8300254

>>8300203
Yeah but he also continues updating the FW of all versions.
t. have both famicom carts

>> No.8300280

>>8300254
I’d prefer something not need to be updated constantly

>> No.8300294

>>8300280
stop using all electronics then

>> No.8300295

>>8300203
but the old stuff is still usable and there is nothing stopping you from repairing it back to full functionality if it breaks.
my only qualm with the TO shit is I dislike having a serial number of a pirate device being attached to my email address. I dislike needing a serial number to update firmware. I dislike DRM in almost every regard.

>> No.8300302

>>8300294
>stop using all electronics
>/vr/

>> No.8300312

>>8300295
>and there is nothing stopping you from repairing it back to full functionality if it breaks.
save for the main chips, just like any others

>> No.8300317

>>8300312
it's just a common ASIC you dumb dumb
>>8300302
>/vr/
board full of weebs who while being weebs are too >>>/r9k/ to learn the moonrunes so they have to patch every single game they wanna play

old stuff isn't excluded from updating the SW moron

>> No.8300318

>>8300312
are there any proprietary chips on the thing? it all seems fairly off the shelf. pain in the ass to solder, sure, but I dont think there's anything that you can't buy a replacement of.

>> No.8300323

>>8298715
>They said they would remove the protections preventing you from updating firmware without the file tied to your serial number and email.
Sauce?

>> No.8300336

>>8296268
>i-i-im probably older than you
>i bought my first toy in 2000
top kek kid. Not sure why you think bragging about being too young and inexperienced to have ever run into this problem helps your story at all. It just outs you a dumb kid who doesn't know what he's talking about. If you're older than a tween and using that kind of logic you literally are retarded.

>> No.8300940

>>8300317
>>8300318
I seriously doubt you can replace an ASIC or FPGA on these devices and expect them to work

>> No.8300970

>>8300323
Their Discord group. Didn’t screenshot it and Discord’s search function is too retarded to try to look for it but I’m sure they’ll reiterate if asked again.

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8300998

>>8300940
I seriously doubt you've ever seen a master at work.
>>8300970
>JUST TRUSTERINO IN LE DISCORDIO MESSAGINO!!!!!
what's next your uncle works for terraonion?

>> No.8301138

>>8300317
>it's just a common ASIC
It's not an ASIC. It's not common. It's custom code. You dumb dumb

>>8300940
If you have the files needed to program the device you can program it, drop it in, and it will work just like new. That's literally the point of the whole discussion about wanting to be able to reprogram and replace these parts some time in the future.

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>>8301138
nothing on this board is custom made except the board itself
LFXP2-5E is 16$ on Mouser and the same goes for that STM32F415
now kill yourself

>> No.8301198

>>8300998
This board is shit and fucking garbage posts like this are only accelerating its inevitable crash leadfoot into a brick wall

>> No.8301202

what kind of broken soul collects wojaks and posts them reflexively when someone mentions their dick sword

>> No.8301206
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8301206

They in Discord said they are almost finished SNES cartridge and other one or two cartridges for other systems will be released in 2022 and MODE production will stop in near future. They products are cool, but fuck H/DRM.

>> No.8301219

>>8301206
>SNES cartridge
why? will it be cheaper than SD2SNES?

>> No.8301231

>>8301219
They just want to destroy Krikzz because Krikzz "copied" EverDrive Pro from MegaSD, MegaCD support, lol. I don't know will it be cheaper but they said they will be very innovative

>> No.8301327

>>8301231
what a bunch of fags

>> No.8301461

>>8301231
lol, competition is good at least
>>8301327
can't think of any retro dev that isn't

>> No.8301484

>>8301138
>files needed to program the device
This applies to fucking nearly everything out there.
Jesus christ this thread is just one big oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg

>> No.8301763

>>8301206
Post evidence.

>> No.8301778

>>8300336
You seem extremely insecure and anally ravaged over this. Perhaps it is you that is the retard?

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>>8301763
Alex is a founder of TerraOnion
>>8301461
>lol, competition is good at least
true

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Found it

>> No.8301958

>>8301162
That’s the older one

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>>8300940
I might not be able to, but there should be nothing stopping you if you have the ability to do so.

>>8301871
of course I get it it now he's gonna release a fw update for 20 year old hardware with the only proof of him saying he would in a single discord message. I take back my entire stance and argument.

>>8301484
that's bad too.

>>8301231
what fags. honestly what more can you do than what's possible on fxpak pro? Also the fxpak pro is open source and has gotten some neat firmware forks that can play GB games and load stuff via the micro USB port. I even want to say that the SA-1 of SuperFX stuff was implemented originally in a fork of the firmware.

>> No.8302096

>>8290868
There is a cheaper one that doesn't play supergrafx. So it has an everdrive built in so $86 of value, also the rgb mod, arcade card, cd rom rom system, how much would all that cost. Probably a bit more than an original system and burning cd's but its more convenient. I've burnt cd's and sometimes the audio doesn't work properly. I have the original because of the nuisance of burning cd's, I'm will to pay a lot for just that. I don't know if its worth pay the extra $100 for super grafx, that shooting game looks good but $100 to play that shooting game, I can play ghouls n ghosts on saturn and ps1.

>>8292781
To download firmware I think you just have to put in the serial of a sticker somewhere into your account. They want to protect from chinese copies, I have no issue with it. I think you can make your own menu if you want.

>>8298715
One thing I don't like about krikz is they will put their products on sale so they sell a heap then suddenly announce their way better product for the same price. I'm pretty sure its not that far off for a flash cart to have a built in 32x, it will reduce the value of the everdrive pro's by a lot.

>> No.8302128

>>8302053
>of course I get it it now
I'm only the messenger, I have no skin in this game. Carry on and cry about e-waste and DRM

>> No.8302392

>>8302096
I don’t think so with the 32x
Because that’s almost a whole console in itself

>> No.8302453

>>8301791
He licensed the SNES core and mappers from Sorg? Did Sorg write the SNES core for MiSTer? What the fuck?

>> No.8302543

>>8302453
why is this hard to believe?

>> No.8302852

How much is a good price for a Core Grafx with no controller or av cable?

>> No.8302868

>>8302852
Current prices are 100 to 140 USD.

>>8302453
Because AFAIK Sorg didn't write the fucking core and the license doesn't grant him exclusive rights to commercial use. Multiple people worked on it. See https://www.retrorgb.com/mister-snes-core-released.html

>> No.8302876

>>8302868
Isn’t mister fully open source? lmao you don’t have to buy that

>> No.8302885

>>8302868
So you would say $80 for one is a good deal?

>> No.8302973

>>8302876
The MiSTer SNES core have GPL licence which can't be used for commercial products, so maybe Sorg have a private core version without other contributions, so he can sell and to do whatever he want. I seen drama about SNES core that Sorg does not accept fixes to SNES core, mayhere here is a answer why

>> No.8303017

>>8301162
All the firmware in both those chips is custom, my retarded little copeling.

>>8301484
Epic copefail kiddo. The difference with "fucking nearly everything out there" is that those files are readily available and they're not tied to a specific device. This is exactly what the people complaining about terrasoi are talking about.

>> No.8303038

>>8302973
>GPL licence
gpl doesn't prohibit commercial use it just asks you return any modified source code to the public. Licensing GPL'd code just means they are probably modifying it and closing it's source.

>> No.8303108

>>8302973
You don’t understand GPL kiddo.

>> No.8303116

>>8303038
>>8303108
My bad, sorry

>> No.8303136

>>8303108
>>8303038
The core is licensed under GPL 3, which does allow for commercial use, but it's weird that sorg is the sole contributor on GitHub while the RetroRGB article and others claim there are multiple contributors. Perhaps the others deferred their claims to sorg? He wouldn't be able to license it otherwise.

>> No.8303143

>>8303136
Yes. Which also means that the other contributors are complete and utter morons. It also means that he can close the source any time he wants.
Imagine if this was a Linux kernel development lmao

>> No.8303218

>>8303136
Not all that weird. I've worked on many projects where there were a bunch of people working on code but commits to the public repo were handled by one or just a few. There are plenty of good reasons for doing this.

>>8303143
>github is the ultimate arbitrator of ip ownership for everything in the known universe
Yeah, that's not the way it works champ.

>> No.8303252

>>8300280
>constantly

>> No.8303258

>>8302053
>Also the fxpak pro is open source
original fxpak (aka sd2snes) is, up to revision f.
pro isn't.

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>>8303258
???
https://krikzz.com/store/home/54-fxpak-pro.html and then on that page there's a link to the firmware that's hosted on ikari's blog thing.

>> No.8303446

>>8303218
>>github is the ultimate arbitrator of ip ownership for everything in the known universe
>Yeah, that's not the way it works champ.
Whoever submits the code is tho you dumb dumb.

>> No.8303772

>>8303446
Sorry champ. That's not the way it works. You can throw a tantrum and call people names but at the end of the day you're just a clueless kid talking out of your ass.

>> No.8303805

>>8303772
ok how are they gonna prove it’s someone else’s code when he is the submitter?
why does almost every single project out there make use of submitting stuff over git or mailing list and not just “lmao just send me the code to my email”?
I’ve been part of the open source community for nearly 17 years now so I do know what I’m talking about.
This is simply a scam to go around the GPL. But if the devs who did submit their code aren’t complete fags he will get dragged.

>> No.8303813

>>8303420
SD2SNES wasn't just open source software, it was open source hardware. It had the full schematics out there and licensed so anyone could build and sell them with the author's blessing. Sounds like Krikzz forked the design and decided to keep the updated pro hardware closed source.

>> No.8303836

>>8302885
Bump

>> No.8303936

>>8303836
Yes but keep in mind that it may need to be recapped. So if you can't do this yourself, then factor that cost in as well

>> No.8303940

>>8303936
Not them, but I just bought a Core Grafx recently myself. I wasn't aware that they were likely to need new capacitors; I thought that was mostly an issue with the Duos.

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>>8303805
>I’ve been part of the open source community for nearly 17 years now
>I don't know how to prove I wrote code without using a website that hasen't even been around that long
Your larpfu is not strong

>> No.8304265

>>8303813
So, Krikzz is a faggot too

>> No.8304408

>>8303936
>>8303940
I thought only the duos needed recaps?

>> No.8304418

>>8303813
Anyone recommend a non krikzz version of the SD2SNES/FXPAK? I know aliexpress has some but there's gotta be more out there

>> No.8304971

>>8304418
The sd2snes ones that are rev x are fine

>> No.8305535

>>8304408
Everything needs a recap eventually. Caps don't magically last forever.

>> No.8305663

>>8304408
at the moment yes, unless it shows obvious signs they need replacing

>> No.8305724

>>8302096
>To download firmware I think you just have to put in the serial of a sticker somewhere into your account. They want to protect from chinese copies, I have no issue with it. I think you can make your own menu if you want.

Yes, this is what is known as DRM

>> No.8305728

>>8301871
>we promise to get rid of our shitty DRM at some unspecified point in the future! just check out this discord message about it!
jesus christ

>> No.8305734

>>8305724
DRM prevents you from using or accessing a device without a check
this does no such thing
if you have the device, you have the serial

>> No.8305737

>>8305734
and if you have the device it works regardless of the serial

>> No.8305738

>>8305734
kys onionfag

>> No.8305780

>>8304408
You are correct. Both my white PC Engine and CoreGrafx 1 didn't need recapping to work, whereas my Duo had extremely faint sound until I did a huge amount of cleaning and recapping.
Some people will say you should do it anyway as preventative maintenance, but it shouldn't be strictly necessary if you don't want to do it immediately. They actually used good caps for those basic models. With the Duo, however, they used those early SMD electrolytics that were a leaky nightmare.

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>>8305734
>words mean what i say they do
But of course they do, my precious little snowflake.

>> No.8305824

>>8305813
>buy product
>it works out of the box
wow, such DRM

>> No.8305837

>>8305780
So if I get a coregrafx that is tested and works fine then I shouldn't have to worry? Cause this unit only for $80 seems really good, granted I know the controller is expensive and I don't know what a good av cord would be for it.

>> No.8305850

>>8305824
>buy denuvo game
>it works out of the box
heh see denuvo isn't DRM checkmate spherecucks

>> No.8305887

>>8305850
>it works out of the box
it doesn't though

>> No.8305895

>>8290868
Why pay anything when any retro game you want is a couple clicks away

>> No.8305914

>>8305895
some people like using real hardware with flash cards and ODE's

>> No.8306226

>>8305824
>claim word means something it doesn't
>"""prove""" it by using false analogy
wow, such ZOOM

>> No.8306245

>>8306226
Ok, tell me how what you are restricted from doing

>> No.8306257

>>8303959
this feels like an 2011 post, nice
>>8305734
have a (you)
>>8305887
for normies it does so… kill yourself I guess

>> No.8306361

>>8304418
>>8304265
>>8303813
retards, sd2snes/fxpro were/are created and supported by ikari_01, krikzz just builds and sells them for him, krikzz had to fork nothing. where do you think he got the design-files for the sd2snes post-rev.F and the fxpak pro from?
your collective hateboner for krikzz is pretty hilarious by now, it's blinding you for facts.

>> No.8306467

>>8306245
You are restricted from posting on 4chan until you are at least 18 years old

>> No.8306669

>>8290868
Wouldn't a Polymega be a better buy?

>> No.8306673

>>8306669
bait

>> No.8306684

>>8306673
It can play not just PC Engine/ Turbografx 16 cd games but also Sega Cd, Saturn, Playstation, and NeoGeo Cd. All right out of the box. Seems like a pretty nice buy versus what Terra Onion is offering.

>> No.8306691

>>8306684
as does a PC and an RPi
but it doesn't offer the same thing

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>>8306684

>> No.8307025

>>8306361
People hate him because he is white.

>> No.8307080

>>8306673
>>8306896
No bait would be uttering "Analogue Duo".

>> No.8307117

>>8306361
i know this. i'm just a poor fag and hoped there'd be more options out there besides krikzz and china

>> No.8307147

>>8307080
No bait would be using the word uttering

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Looks like most of their customer don't seem to care.,

>> No.8307343

>>8305887
It does. You're either misinformed or lying. They come pre flashed

>> No.8307823

>>8307165
Do these carts not have many bugs? 70% of customers being ok with factory firmware is kind of insane…or they’re just retarded
I wonder if krikkz has metrics for this as well

>> No.8307845

>>8307343
You’re responding to the wrong post

>> No.8307852

>>8307823
It’s like with my car. The PHEV Outlander. It’s a fucking plug in hybrid yet only like 30% of the people plug it in at least once a week.
Normies are dumb.

>> No.8307861

>>8307852
Irrelevant and i doubt you have sauce, so this is pure conjecture

>> No.8307880

>>8307861
You are free to google it. It was some Norwegian article and the data was taken from the Mitsubishi companion app.

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How about this one? Is he a faggot too?

>> No.8310627

>>8309964
>keeps announcing satiator releasing "soon" to keep patreonbux flowing
>suddenly MODE
>suddenly Fenrir
>"oh yeah, satiator releasing in a month, patreons get bonus
>5usd rebate

>> No.8310630

>>8310627
>5usd rebate
sorry, 15:
>Satiator price will be $259.99, minus $15 discount for patreon supporters

>> No.8310674

>>8310630
The discount was pro rated based on how long you had been backing him.
He definitely dragged his heels. If Terraonion and Fenrir hadn't released, we might still be waiting.

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Jennies sucking Terraonions dick. Imagine my shock.