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The two best games on the GBA share the same engine.

>> No.8274894

Do people hate Fusion because it doesn't waste your time as much as the rest of the genre does?

>> No.8274916

>>8274894
Noone hates fusion but its the weaker game compared to super and zero mission

>> No.8274936

>>8274916
>weaker game compared to super
in a lot of ways
>and zero mission
oh hell no

>> No.8274975

>>8274916
I hate Fusion. It's shit.

>> No.8274992

>>8274936
It is

>>8274975
You don't

>> No.8274997

>>8274916
>Noone hates fusion
I hate Fusion because it's horribly inferior to Metroid 1 at everything but boss fights. Also the retarded Zero Suit can go fuck itself.

>> No.8275006
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>>8274975
>>8274992
>>8274997
Fusion has the best atmosphere of any 2D metroid game that isn't called "Super" or "Dread". That's worth more than being able to get the varia suit early with bomb jumps, as cool as that is.

>> No.8275014

>>8274997
Wait I can't fucking read. I somehow thought >>8274916 was talking about Zero Mission. I hate Fusion because it's awful on every level, fuck Adam, fuck the boring environments, fuck the shitty music, fuck the lack of exploration, fuck the ending for copying Super, and especially fuck the X parasites because they're just weak substitutes for Metroids. Fuck you Fusion fucking god dammit.

>> No.8275075

>>8274916
It's worse than Super and much, much better than ZM. Hell at least Fusion has its own identity instead of failing horribly at being a clone of a game it's not even the remake of.

>> No.8275084

>til there's people that dislike zero mission
unbelievable
it's literally my favourite game ever

>> No.8275101

>>8274894
Yeah.
Speedtranners especially hate it because it doesn't allow sequence breaks.

>> No.8275114

>>8274894
>it doesn't waste your time as much
The game stops you every five minutes with retarded cutscenes of expository dialogue and/or handholding hints. Zero Mission>M1>M2>SM>the rest

>> No.8275129

>>8274886
Fusion is better than zero mission. Zero Misson is worse than the original and maybe wario 4 is playable I don't know I don't like these games.

>> No.8275150

>>8275006
>or dread
fusion easily has better atmosphere than dread.

>> No.8275160

>>8274886
I appreciate fusion for what it is, a solid action adventure game with some impressive horror in a 2d sidescroller, we got the portable super retread with zero mission.

>> No.8275189

>>8275084
Remember where you are

>> No.8275193
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>>8274886
Look at the bosses in those games. Some of the best pixelart Nintendo ever put out. Really makes me sad knowing there's barely any senior pixel artists left in the company. Incredible games btw, they stand out for how ambitious they were within their series, I miss when Nintendo wasn't afraid to take chances. Also amazing how they got the console churning out something so good-looking and specially sounding so early in the GBA's lifespan, really complemented their flair. Were there any more games made in this engine?

>Metroid discussion
Zero Mission had an almost Harmony of Dissonance-esque downgrade in soundtrack and atmosphere, and even at the time I was underwhelmed by the de-emphasized action compared to Fusion's boss encounters and challenge, nearly all it's got going for it is the sequence breaking stuff which is cool but I was never hugely into. Still it also delivered some really cool boss portrayals. Kraid looks so badass and expressive in Zero. I miss big studios making pixel games.

>> No.8275227

Fusion's exploration suffers but it still has some of my favorite boss battles.

>> No.8275358
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>>8274886
Does anyone with GBA hacking knowledge know if it would be possible to re-insert Wario into Metroid Fusion or insert Samus into Wario Land 4? Both scenarios sound hilarious to me for some reason.

>> No.8275372

>>8275358
>Wario looking for treasure in a Metroid-esque desolate alien planet
>Samus wrangled into some magical adventure in a wacky, treasure-filled fever dream land

Gold.

>> No.8275373

>>8275084
I like Zero Mission but I think it's worse than Super Metroid in every way other than maybe music.

>> No.8275376

>>8274886
The Fusion suit looks goofy at best and borderline retarded at worst.

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>>8275373
>full on GBA cricket orchestra after Fusion sounded miles better
>better than Super's classic OST
The SNES's sound chip has got its detractors but come on

>> No.8275532

>>8275384
Oh I definitely prefer Super's soundtrack, I was just saying Zero Mission has some pretty good music. Also never understood why some people don't like the SNES sound chip, it sounds great to me.

>> No.8275549

>>8275532
Oh well, I'm not such a big fan of Zero Mission's OST but fair. I'll concede getting the Metroid chanting for the Chozo ruins on the GBA was amazing, and the Kraid's lair theme remix is pretty sweet.

>never understood why some people don't like the SNES sound chip, it sounds great to me.
It's mostly a SNES vs Genesis thing, right? Guess it's too sample-heavy, compared to the more electronic sound of the Genesis? When it sounds bad or flat it sounds REALLY flimsy and cheap, but I guess Genesis' can sound very clunky and grainy as well. It's all about the individual OST imo.

>> No.8275571

>>8275549
I like how the Genesis sounds as well, but to me a lot Genesis games sound very similar. But that's probably just cuz I haven't played many Genesis games.

>> No.8275585

>>8275571
It's kinda harder to make Genesis soundtracks sound distinct, but when they manage it, it's always great. Same way, the SNES games with the most work put into the sound and where the adpatability of the samples into atmospheres shines are truly great. I think there's amazing music on both, even more so if you dig deep into more obscure games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brUFB5z1i7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3nVmX-lw8E

The whole "Genesis is superior" has got to be some musician or sound engineer thing I don't get honestly.

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>>8275358
>>8275372
Somebody make this happen.

>> No.8275910

>>8275084
Most fun Metroid to 100%. But it's way too short and it feels like a copy of Super in a lot of ways. Fusion has a lot of uniqueness going for it even if it isn't nearly as fun.

>> No.8275970

>>8275150
Yeah, though Burenia in Dread is Fusion-level IMO. Arteria also had me thinking the music was going to be as good as Fusion's throughout the game, shame that wasn't the case.

>> No.8276079

>>8275373
Music is part of why ZM utterly fails at building any atmosphere compared to Super actually. It's like Super without a shred of dignity to it, worse exploration, worse backtracking, and the things it does uniquely, the all-new added segments, are the parts that are universally hated. It has no upsides to playing it instead of Super again.

>> No.8276441

>>8275193
One of the other really masterful things about Wario Land 4, pixel art aside, is how hey managed to make a soundtrack that actually sounds better with GBA compression.

Source material:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqwgV1ORl4k
In game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jocrNBs09Ao

>> No.8276457

>>8276079
Feels better to play and it's shorter so even non-speed-trannies can finish it in one enjoyable session.
I recognize that the world isn't as good as Super's, but once I start playing it, I can't stop. Zero Mission Samus is the most satisfying character to control in any game, in my opinion.

>> No.8276464

>>8276441
Some of these high quality GBA rips don't replicate the pitch bending many games used. It might not sound exactly like it should for that reason.

>> No.8276760

>>8276441
>>8276464
not to mention whoever did that "HQ" version just slapped the original samples on and paid no attention to mixing/mastering that actually needs to be done when working with samples with dynamic range and at full resolution

TheBrickster is the only YT channel that pays attention to that, that's why it's the best

>> No.8277982

>>8274886
Do they also share a soundfont? I know WarioWare reuses Wario Land 4's soundfont despite not reusing that game's engine, but what about Metroid Fusion and/or Zero Mission?

>> No.8277983

>>8274886
>Warioland 4
Forcing you to complete stages fast isn't comfy.

>> No.8278342

Wasn't Metroid Fusion developed by the same team as Wario Land 4?
The graphical style on both games is pretty similar.

>> No.8278351

>>8278342
>Wasn't Metroid Fusion developed by the same team as Wario Land 4?
Yes, Nintendo R&D1.

>> No.8280478

>>8274886
The boxart is even similar if you squint your eyes a bit.

>> No.8280781

>>8274886
Yes, and?

>> No.8280995

>>8277982
>but what about Metroid Fusion and/or Zero Mission?
An unused test track is part 2 of Fusion's intro, but aside from some other samples for some sfx, that's all they have in common.

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>>8280478
my god

>> No.8281329

>>8278351
fucking crime those guys never got a shot at the ds.

>> No.8283098

Bump

>> No.8283113

>>8274886
Those Aren't AstroBoy

>> No.8284001
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>>8274886
Wario Land 4 is THE best game on Game Boy Advance, bar none. It is the perfect game. A bonafide 10/10. Infinitely replayable, dripping with soul and irreverence. The height of old-school punk rebel Nintendo and R&D1.

Metroid Fusion... Eh, it's not bad, but it shouldn't be compared to Wario Land 4 beyond sharing an engine. It's a rather tepid entry on behalf of Sakamoto. Does Fusion have an entire book dedicated to singing its praises? No? Didn't think so, bub.

>> No.8284751

>>8284001
>Does Fusion have an entire book dedicated to singing its praises?
I'll write one just for you. I fucking love that game.

>> No.8284850

>>8284751
Awesome. Let me know when you find a publisher and have it out in the wild, able to be bought for real money.

>> No.8284852

>>8281329
They TECHNICALLY did, but all they ever made was Warioware...

>> No.8284856

>>8274886
if fusion uses the wario land 4 engine why isn't it a better game?

>> No.8285024

>>8284001
kys retard