/vr/ - Retro Games

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Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:11:32 2013 No.826925 [Reply] [Original]

>The 64DD has a 32-bit coprocessor to help it read magneto-optical discs, and to transfer data to the main console. It was intended to be Nintendo's answer to the cheaper-to-produce Compact Disc that was used for Sony's PlayStation. Sony's CD storage could hold approximately 650 megabytes (MB) of information, compared to the Nintendo 64's 4-64 MB cartridge. The 64DD also has a built in memory expansion pack.

>The new medium for the 64DD was rewritable and had a storage capacity of 64 MB.

>capacity of 64 MB.
>64 MB

The N64 already had 64 MB cartridges (Resident Evil 2). What the hell was the point of the 64DD?

Why not just make an ACTUAL CD player add on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:13:02 2013 No.826930 Cause as Sega has proved Add-ons are rarely successful

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:14:32 2013 No.826931 because niintendo wanted to be edgy xD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:22:32 2013 No.826952 It's well known that Nintendo did not favor disks. Even the Dolphin (gamecube) was originally planned to use cartridges too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:25:32 2013 No.826961 >>826925 >It's well known that Nintendo did not favor disks Discs are easy to damage, and when's the last time one of your cartridge slots has needed any more than a cleaning to work?

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:26:32 2013 No.826964
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>>826925
Because key word, rewritable. Would've allowed for saving things that would've probably been way too large for the memory pak, like the F-Zero track editor.

>>826952
>Even the Dolphin (gamecube) was originally planned to use cartridges too.
And what a console it would've been had they done that. Cartridge based media was finally over the hump of cost versus storage, it could've been amazing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:33:33 2013 No.826983 >>826964 What the fuck is that?!

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:36:32 2013 No.826989

>>826983
NPDP-Reader, Gamecube development hardware. There's an HDD inside the cartridge that can hold up to 8 images, made for fast testing of different builds.

Replace the HDD with some flash memory, and you could have a cart-loading console with probably more storage than the GCs proprietary discs, plus much faster loading times.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:38:33 2013 No.826995 Just another failure. Like the virtual boy, which was apparantly designed to give the player terrible headaches.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:40:32 2013 No.827001

>>826995

Don't spread misinformation like that. The Virtual Boy was designed with support from Lenscrafters in order to make children have bad eyesight, thereby increasing sales of glasses. The system may have been a 'failure' in terms of sales, but due to how many children's eyes it damaged, Lenscrafters signed over a big cheque to Nintendo that more than made up for the system sales. Made a nice profit on it.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 11:40:33 2013 No.827000

>>826995
It was only a failure because it took too long to get it out. By the time it was near finished, the Gamecube was already well into development and would outperform the 64DD massively. But they'd already sunk too much money into it to just scrap it, so they had a very limited release in Japan where you could only get one through mail order.

>>	Donut Sat Jun 22 11:41:02 2013 No.827003 >>826989 My dick just reached beyond this universe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:00:32 2013 No.827035 >>826964 The Gamecube disc drive was incredibly fast, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:02:02 2013 No.827045 >>826961 It's not because of that, lel. They just were obssesed with piracy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:04:02 2013 No.827048 also this: >make a disc add-on for n64 >make a gameboy cart add-on for gamecube nintendo logic

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:04:32 2013 No.827046
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>>826995

You never actually played a virtual boy, did you?
The thing has Focus and IPD (Inter-pupil distance) adjustments, it doesn't give any headache or any eye cancer, at most it'll give you motion sickness but that's your problem, not the system's.
VR failed because Nintendo didn't give a fuck about it and rushed Yokoi

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:29:03 2013 No.827102 >>826925 if you saw what was going on for majora's mask, you would have seen. they were trying all kinds of shit that required the disk to be rewrote.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:42:32 2013 No.827137 >>827046 I'm sorry you bought it, but it was gimicky junk.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:53:33 2013 No.827157
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>>827137

It's alright, I bought it a few years ago for cheap because I wanted to check it out. It's actually a curious little thing with some really good games on it (Wario Land, Teleroboxer, Jack Bros, etc).
The catalogue is really small, and using the VB is kind of awkward, but the 3D effect is actually impressive (its much deeper than the 3DS, and this was in 1995), and the VB controller has probably one of my favorite d-pads ever (well, let's say my 2 favorite d-pads ever).

I'm actually sorry you never got to at least try it once.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:54:02 2013 No.827159 >>827157 There's a few good unreleased games, too, like Faceball and Bound High.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:56:33 2013 No.827167

>>827159

yeah I really need to get myself a virtual boy flash card to try those on actual hardware, I emulated them but the difference between playing emulation and the actual VB is abismal.

There's also some homebrew, the VB scene is small but very dilligent and dedicated.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:56:33 2013 No.827168

I honestly wonder if Nintendo would've been so desperate as to sabotage the PS1 from taking over their market one way or another. Like maybe they bought a few PS1s and reverse engineered them in private, found out how to pirate games, and then anonymously leak the details so that the people who bought the PS1 will not buy the software. It would have little third party support as a result, correct?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 12:58:02 2013 No.827182 >>827167 I wish that Mario Kart homebrew went further than it did, it looked great.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:35:03 2013 No.827271 >>827168 That's the theory on what Sony did with the Dreamcast prior to the launch of the PS2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:39:33 2013 No.827278 >>827271 That's the reason I mentioned that, actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:43:32 2013 No.827294 >>826989 And why the fuck do you know that? First-hand experience with the SDK?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:46:02 2013 No.827306 Anyone got any infos on Game Boy prototypes and SDK?

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:50:32 2013 No.827313

>>827294
Well yes and no. I'm not a developer or anything, but I've played with the SDK, it's been available for download for years. And the info on all the dev hardware has equally been available for a long time, from people buying up kits from developers selling off used stock that they've kept for too long for Nintendo to want them back.
I think there's only two pieces of GC dev hardware that haven't been taken apart and documented. The IS-DOL-VIEWER, which plugs into the bottom of an NPDP and allows for real-time debugging over RS-232, as far as I know not many devs bought any because there were more capable pieces of hardware available.
There's also the SN-TDEV, which was, by itself, functionally identical to an NR Reader, ie. reads NR discs and nothing else. It had an add-on, like the one for the NPDP, that also allowed for debugging. The TDEV stuff has been elusive because it was only sold to universities for game dev courses to use, and a university has no reason to sell on hardware, it'll either return it or scrap it.

>>827306
Sure, quite a few. http://devkits.handheldmuseum.com/ is a good site.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:52:02 2013 No.827319 >>827313 If we ever meet, I'll blow you one. You're awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:54:02 2013 No.827325 >>827313 The site there lists mostly GBA stuff, man. It's like the old Game Boy never went through development

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:56:02 2013 No.827329 >>827325 http://devkits.handheldmuseum.com/GBC_Wideboy.htm http://devkits.handheldmuseum.com/GB_Wideboy.htm http://devkits.handheldmuseum.com/GB_TestCart.htm http://devkits.handheldmuseum.com/IS-CGB-EMU/index.htm ???

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:57:32 2013 No.827331 >>826925 The point of the 64DD was that the magnetic optical discs cost FAR cheaper than cartridges. Slightly more than CDs basically. As for why Nintendo chose them over actual CDs, beats me. Faster read speed perhaps?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:58:02 2013 No.827337 >>827329 >GBC >wideboy >nothing interesting about the testcart Only worthwhile thing is the emulator thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 13:59:02 2013 No.827339 >>827337 There's also this http://devkits.handheldmuseum.com/GBC-Protoype/index.htm But I don't know what else you were expecting?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:01:32 2013 No.827343 >>827339 Something like this: http://www.infendo.com/uploaded_images/dolphindev.jpg

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:08:33 2013 No.827350

>>827343
You say that like there's some major difference between the two. It's got the out ports for reading memory and debugging, a development kit is rarely any more than a retail kit that can boot unsigned code, in a less shiny box with a few extra features like that. They're not made to be interesting, they're made to be functional, and a kit for something as simple as the gameboy doesn't need much more than that and some EPROM boards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:20:02 2013 No.827386 >>827046 on a related note are there any good virtual boy emulators?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:21:02 2013 No.827391 >>827386 vbjin

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:26:02 2013 No.827405 >>827386 Mednafen's VB emulator is excellent

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:28:32 2013 No.827410 I always wanted an N64DD.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:34:32 2013 No.827423
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Between the capabilities of the 64DD and a Dolphin that used cartridges, Nintendo could have done some amazing shit during the late 90's/early 00's. It's a shame they dropped support of the 64DD almost immediately and went with discs for the Gamecube. Do you guys think we'll ever get a leaked build of the 64DD Ocarina of Time or Ura Zelda? That'd be some shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:35:02 2013 No.827426 >>827423 Its just Master Quest, you can find it on the GC compilation

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:36:32 2013 No.827428 >>827423 Isn't that just Master Quest though?

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:37:02 2013 No.827434

>>827426
>>827428
Ura Zelda was supposed to be more than rearranged dungeons. It was supposed to add in brand new temples, items, equipment, and locations, all while taking advantage of 64DD hardware. It was supposed to just be a better version of that BS Satellite sequel to LttP

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:39:02 2013 No.827438

>>827434
Exactly, it was supposed to be, but it never actually was. They talked it up, hyped it, but it was never actually put into development beyond the conceptualization stage. The most you'll ever get of it beyond what was released as the Master Quest is maybe some artwork, sketches, but no actual game.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:42:03 2013 No.827445

>>827046
>at most it'll give you motion sickness but that's your problem, not the system's.
Not that guy and I've never used a Virtual Boy either, but I think if it gave me motion sickness it would be fair to say that it's the system's problem and not mine, especially with such a limited library.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:45:32 2013 No.827454 >>827438 It became Majora's Mask. Everyone knows that aready.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 14:53:03 2013 No.827469 >>827454 Sure, but only very loosely. Like >>827434 said, it was going to be like Ancient Stone Tablets, before it got made into an entirely new game.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:03:34 2013 No.827492

>>827469
When the heck are they going to release Ancient Stone Tablets? I really really want to play it but my morals forbid me to download the pirate copy. I've signed petitions and all to no avail. When will Nintendo finally release the BS Zelda games?

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:05:04 2013 No.827498

>>827492
Probably never, since they're in all likelihood tied up in some mess of legal rights with the company that operated the Satellaview. Add to that the fact that they were only ever 'released' in Japan, so they have a comparatively tiny following, it's not a good outlook. I'd really just say emulate them, especially since if they are ever released, it'll be a Virtual Console release, which is just emulating anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:13:03 2013 No.827515 >>827498 if I remember right they can't re-release ANY of the BS released games, not because of legal reasons, but because they no longer have back ups of any of the games broadcast over the BS system

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:21:34 2013 No.827536 >>827515 Why don't they just confiscate the source material that is floating around online? It's their property anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:25:33 2013 No.827554 >>827536 If what that anon said is true, then they probably have no way of verifying that any of the available dumps are 1:1. Not to mention most of the music from BS games was broadcast live rather than downloaded to the carts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:27:04 2013 No.827561 >>827492 >I really really want to play it but my morals forbid me to download the pirate copy sorry but this is so stupid. It's not stealing if there's no alternative

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:34:03 2013 No.827581 >>827554 Why would Nintendo care if the dumps are 1:1? Even a remake for DS or something would be excellent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:36:04 2013 No.827583 >>827581 >Why would Nintendo care if the dumps are 1:1? Because they only have the legal rights to it if it's 1:1. >Even a remake for DS or something would be excellent. Not enough of a fanbase for them to put in that much effort.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:37:33 2013 No.827584 >>827157 Got mine for about 20$ new when Target decided to dump the entire back-stock and a bunch of the games for really cheap. only got a headache once, and I'm pretty sure I'd been playing for 2+ hours.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:40:33 2013 No.827591 >>827561 It's still stealing. My mind is made up on this. And I wish I didn't have strong morals. Trust me. I really want to play the game.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:42:33 2013 No.827594

>>827583
>Because they only have the legal rights to it if it's 1:1.
That's cray. Fans can rip a game that is Nintendo's property and then modify one tiny part of it and suddently Nintendo loses the rights to it? Let's say Nintendo stole the online copy of the game and published it as its own work. You think the internet denizens would have legal standing to sue Nintendo for theft? Come on. It's clearly Nintendo's property even if it's not 1:1 what they released.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:47:33 2013 No.827601 >>827591 are you 12 or something? dear lord

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 15:49:03 2013 No.827606 >>827594 the person saying that is a retard and your just as much of a moron for believing him.

>>	script writer kibe Sat Jun 22 15:53:33 2013 No.827618 >>826964 Especially considering that the mini-dvd discs that the console later went onto use could only hold 1.96 gigs of data. The rest of it was just garbage files in order to deter piracy

>>	script writer kibe Sat Jun 22 15:55:03 2013 No.827623 >>827167 It frankly amazes me that people would actually go through the trouble of actually making homebrew games for the console. It must be a pain in the ass to work with

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:08:04 2013 No.827639

>>827591
>I believe that making a copy of something is equal to stealing it from the original owner, and that means I have Strong Morals.

I can claim I believe locking women in chastity belts to prevent them from being raped means I have Strong Morals, but it doesn't make it true.

I'm honestly confused, what is your argument that piracy = theft?

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:12:03 2013 No.827650

I have a copy of Doshin the Giant for GameCube (had to mod the console to play it because it's Japanese), apparently that was a port of a 64DD version and it shows, it's fairly ugly-looking and it saves a lot of world data (but on the GameCube memory card rather than on any disk drive)

it's a nice upgrade from something like SimEarth for the SNES that didn't even try to record the actual fine details of your world when you saved and loaded (presumably because there wasn't time/space for that), but it's still not an especially good game

something like the F-Zero X track editor, like somebody mentions above, would have worked really well with this sort of system though

but it's not like we saw a big boom in Minecraft-esque building games when the GameCube did come out; having a lot of rewritable storage space on a console is just not very helpful for most games

>>	script writer kibe Sat Jun 22 16:22:34 2013 No.827673 >>827650 You do know that there was a European release of Doshin that's in English right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:23:04 2013 No.827680 >>827673 You need a freeloader to use it with an NTSC system though. Freeloaders are kind of hard to find these days.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:26:03 2013 No.827690

>>827639
Uh it's called copyright infringement. Nintendo had to invest in the product. If fans steal that without paying then they are litterally biting the hand that feeds them. If I play the illegal rom then I doubt I want to play the real game when it finally comes out. See? It's immoral if I just take something that is to mine because I want it. I should pay for what I want. That's how government and society works. Sorry to say I probably have higher morality then you. I don't care but I wish you wouldn't rag on me for having morals in the first place.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:29:03 2013 No.827697

>>827690
>I should pay for what I want
>That's how government and society works
No that's how capitalism works.

Besides, since the argument for playing the ROM is that the chance of Nintendo officially rereleasing the games is negligible to none, they're not losing anything whether you do or not.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:31:33 2013 No.827704

>>827673

either never knew or forgot but it doesn't really matter, being able to read the text in such a shallow game would have made it less fun, but the main point is that the 64DD probably wouldn't have made much difference to most people even if it had come out earlier

there's a niche for people who like LittleBigPlanet and Garry's Mod and Dwarf Fortress and so forth, but it's not a big niche and it mostly stays off consoles anyway

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:40:34 2013 No.827724 >>827157 Telroboxer was pretty fun

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:40:34 2013 No.827725

>>827704
There's also a DD specific sequel/add on to Doshin where he pees on children. No I'm not making this up. That's the only game for the 64DD that I actually want. The F-Zero game would be cool too, but I don't care about any other game for that system. Not even the Mario paint studio.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 16:54:34 2013 No.827769
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64DD would have been amazing. It's at least a decade ahead of its time. There was a character creator similar to Miis, but with more features and the ability to use faces taken from photos. I've always wanted to play Mario 64 II and Ura Zelda. According to Miyamoto, Ura Zelda was near completion when the 64DD was canceled. It was rumored to have solved every mystery in the game including the Running Man. There would have been new items and a new quest, like the second quest of the original Zelda. It was supposed to have a mask editor and dungeon editor. How much is fact and how much is folklore, we'll never really know. Supposedly there were also a few screenshots of Mario 64 II in Japanese magazines, but I can't find any of them online.

>>	script writer kibe Sat Jun 22 17:12:34 2013 No.827815 >>827769 >There was a character creator similar to Miis, but with more features and the ability to use faces taken from photos Could have swore that I read somewhere that the Miis actually began their life conceptually on the Famicom

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:14:03 2013 No.827821 >>827815 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbaNZ7IwrxY

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:15:03 2013 No.827823 >>827815 I read that somewhere too. It was for the Famicom Disk System. Nintendo should have released their disk systems in the U.S.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:17:34 2013 No.827826 >>827331 >As for why Nintendo chose them over actual CDs, beats me. Faster read speed perhaps? No load times was going to be one of the major draws

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:20:33 2013 No.827832 >>827045 You're retarded.

Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:23:34 2013 No.827845

>>827690
>Game that can't be bought in stores
>Not even on the VC
>If I get it through a download, I'm stealing!

But by the logic you just posted, you aren't. You just argued against your own position. Also...

>It's immoral if I just take something that is to mine because I want it.

You are downloading a copy, you aren't TAKING anything. Again, you are trying to equate downloading a copy to stealing, with no reasoning as to WHY that is.

Also, you seem to be under the belief that pirates don't buy games they've pirated. This isn't true. I don't buy any game I haven't pirated first, since I want to know if it's actually worth putting money into before I do so. As such, piracy has led me to spend money on games I might have otherwise not. If your "Piracy = Theft" argument is that piracy is costing the companies a sale, then how do you explain them getting my money?

Sage since this argument has nothing to do with the thread. Sorry OP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:42:03 2013 No.827880 >The 64DD also has a built in memory expansion pack. No, it doesn't. It includes the expansion pack add-on that you separately plug into the top of the N64. It's not "built-in".

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:47:33 2013 No.827891 >>827845 It's not theft. It's copyright infringement, as you're illegally acquiring a product for free that's meant to be sold.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 17:55:34 2013 No.827912 >>827891 It's not even a product. It's copyrighted information used in a manner not in accordance with license from the copyright holder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 18:00:03 2013 No.827925 >>827912 It's a digital product. It's produced specifically to be sold.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 18:03:03 2013 No.827931 >>827925 Which still doesn't make it subject to acquisition or larceny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 22 18:08:34 2013 No.827945 >>827294 You're joking, right? This isn't newly discovered information. Please lurk more.

>>	script writer kibe Sat Jun 22 20:07:14 2013 No.828219 >>827823 I'm not really sure if it would have done all that well, but it might have further cemented the fact that this was not just a "video game console disguised as an entertainment box"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 01:00:46 2013 No.828943 >>827690 >Sorry to say I probably have higher morality then you. Morality is a shitty stat anyway. Certianly not worth taking all the points from Intelligence to pump it up, like you seem to have done.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 02:11:00 2013 No.829114 File: 246 KB, 408x469, 1365355314951.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>827769 >Ura Zelda No, YOU'RE a Zelda!

Anonymous Sun Jun 23 02:30:00 2013 No.829173

>>827045
That's true, but they also have long believed in reliability because kids are good at destroying things. Quite simply, it's easier to destroy a disk than a cartridge. You can abuse a cart quite a good deal but it still works. You can't say the same about CDs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 02:32:30 2013 No.829183 >>827445 What does the game library have to do with motion sickness?

Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:01:01 2013 No.829291
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>>829114
Ura means front, I think, and is the opposite of Omote. I haven't a clue how it applies in the title.

I want to play Mario artist. Looks like a lot of fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrrtJW24h0

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:03:00 2013 No.829295 >>826964 I want this thing so bad.

Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:12:00 2013 No.829313

>>826925

>What the hell was the point of the 64DD?

To make things cheaper and in greater quantity, of course. The discs would have been a hell of a lot less expensive, and with the saved cost, they could easily have shipped multi-disc games. Hell, most Final Fantasy games for PS were 4 discs long. If Nintendo had gotten it to be successful, they could have released much larger games that could have spanned multiple discs. Too bad it was an utter failure, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:15:00 2013 No.829323 >>827438 Miyamoto said it was finished. Before it became MQ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:19:01 2013 No.829329 >>826925 is the 64DD region locked or will it work on my N64?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:25:00 2013 No.829352 >>827925 It was not a product. When Satellaview was around people downloaded it for free. Nintendo NEVER made money off of BS Zelda

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:25:30 2013 No.829351 >>826925 Why didn't they have used something like a zip or jazz drive? Those had capacities into the gigabytes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:27:30 2013 No.829358 >>829329 It will work on your 64

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 03:28:30 2013 No.829363 >>829358 Cool. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 07:51:30 2013 No.829752 >>829291 In context, it means "Another Zelda",

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 23 10:34:31 2013 No.829994 >>829183 I meant that if the game library was on par with the PS2, I suppose it would be my loss, but I could easily live without the couple dozen games on the Virtual Boy.

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