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8268530 No.8268530 [Reply] [Original]

What were they thinking?

>> No.8268609

>>8268530
>"Let's make a good game with a cool multiplayer as a bonus."
And so they did. The end.

>> No.8268637

>>8268530
>I wonder how we can trick people into running through the same map twice
>Hey, that Halo game is getting rave reception, let's take elements from that and remove the Metroid atmosphere that made Prime 1 so incredible

>> No.8268671

>>8268637
>remove the Metroid atmosphere that made Prime 1 so incredible
Wait, they did? Prime 2 is on my list after I finish Prime.

>> No.8268684

>>8268671
no, he's retarded

>> No.8268721

>>8268671
It sort of has it but they really try their best to fuck it up. The game starts off with you finding a video recording from a Federation troop squad because that part of 343 Guilty Spark was cool. Right after that you go and find a resident of the planet who loredumps you and treats you as their planet's savior and explains everything in game mechanic terms like it's a JRPG. You can tell they didn't really get what made stumbling into a new world in a Metroid game and simply getting around work so well, which is odd because they DO have environmental storytelling and the logs like the first Prime game even within those areas, yet slapped that shit on top.

>> No.8268742

>>8268530
only played prime 1 but i have heard this game has a dark world and well thus dark samus (who's just metroid prime from the first one) so it seems pretty solid desu
idk why there's multiplayer but that's cool i guess
oh and it remixes red soil apparently so that's fucking awesome

>> No.8268747

>>8268742
>oh and it remixes red soil apparently so that's fucking awesome
Also multiplayer theme is a remix of upper/green brinstar

>> No.8268769

>>8268671
I have only barely touched Prime 1 past the Orpheon but I'm almost done with 2 (I got the disc for 2 first so I started on that sooner) and I gotta say I think 2 is more polished by far. The scan visor and HUD just look better, and I prefer (so far, I'm at the sky fortress in 2) the theme of 2 mostly just because it's more original where 1 is trying to kinds resemble Super a bit too hard (Encounter Ridley on space station, it blows up, land on rainy planet, go into cave).

>> No.8268775

>>8268747
holy based

>> No.8268778

>>8268530
They were thinking most people will enjoy this great game. Tough luck for faggot OP though.

>> No.8268784

>>8268769
Prime 1 definitely apes Super Metroid, but it does it so well that I can't be mad about it. It recreates that sort of atmosphere in a beautiful 3D environment and still brings many of its own ideas to the table.

Also, scan visor is definitely personal preference. 2's goes too hard for the user friendly look and I don't like it at all. Plus there's issues with how it's based on highlighting things in colors if an object is already that color. An example would be the red circle you have to scan to activate the dark portals, because it's already red. Obviously something you'll figure out quick and not an issue ever again, but still an inherent issue.

>> No.8269312

>>8268530
Put more effort into your post or go back to /v/

PS I don't even give a fuck about metroid

>> No.8269762

>>8268721
i didn't mind the federation stuff but god i hate the bug fucker that you have to see after every level
it's like they wanted the most generic plot they could get away with. THE DARKNESS IS DESTROYING THE LIGHT. YOU MUST COLLECT THE THREE ANCIENT SHITS TO RESTORE BALANCE TO THE DIMENSIONS

>> No.8269780

>>8268637
>>Hey, that Halo game is getting rave reception, let's take elements from that and remove the Metroid atmosphere that made Prime 1 so incredible
What pushes people to make dumb posts like this?

>> No.8269784

>>8268671
It's a really good game, ignore that troon.

>> No.8269838

>>8268530
Does anyone remember when a Metroid Prime dev appeared as a guest on GDQ and admitted he literally remembers nothing about Echos or Corruption because they were just thrown together quickly to capitalize on the runaway success of Prime?

>> No.8269850

>>8268530
>We made a game for normie brainlets, time to create something for the core audience
Pretty sure that's how it went.

>> No.8269857

>>8269850
>>We made a game for normie brainlets, time to create something for the core audience
how does metroid prime 2 reflect that?

>> No.8269865

>>8269838
Funny because Retro worked on Prime from late 2000 to 2002, then spent another two years on Prime 2 and another three on Corruption. Wouldn't call spending two and three years respectively on a asset swap a quick job

>> No.8269869

>>8269838
>some retard lies on camera
whatever

>> No.8269871

>>8269857
This thread is proof of that.

>> No.8269875

>>8269871
Care to try a better argument?

>> No.8269876

>>8269865
I know, but the dev commentator for an Echos run who worked at Retro on all three games said he remembers quite a bit about the development of Prime, but that Echos and Corruption were like a blur to him after that.

>> No.8269884

>>8269876
Granted, this is not "proof" that those games were shit, but here we are in an Echos bashing thread.

>> No.8269960

I played Echoes first, and then got Prime 1, and then went through Echoes a second time to get 100% of scans. To me they felt very similar quality wise, aside from the obvious setting and weapon/skill differences. If anything, I seem more fond of Echoes but both are great games. For some reason, I found the fetch quest at the end of Echoes more tolerable than Prime's

>> No.8269978

>>8269838
Are you sure you aren't thinking of PSX Final Doom cuz Williams outright admitted that was a cashgrab

>> No.8269995

Good game. The atmosphere seems like it will be oppressive and the light/dark mechanic seems like it will be frustrating, but it really never ends up being that bad and the game gives you tools to deal with it reasonably.
I never got too far as a kid for the reasons above and I'm most of the people that negatively view the game are mostly going on these surface level concerns that quickly resolve themselves.

>> No.8270009
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8270009

that was cool as fuck

>> No.8270027

>>8268530
>Let's make a game 'tards can use for trollposting, on an anonymous image board, 20 years from now.

>> No.8270029
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8270029

>>8270009
i love that the prime games treat the power armor as a piece of technology. visor modes and a believable AI and samus gesturing to switch beams. it's somehow more fun when you feel like you're using sophisticated equipment, rather than having a super hero costume

>> No.8270310

>>8269780
Are you going to say that Prime 2 was not clearly influenced by Halo's success? I'd call it debatable but the trooper camera sequence near the start basically seals that that entire portion is there for a reason. It was my very first impression of the game back when it came out that it was hilariously blatant.

>> No.8270412

>>8270310
Your argument is that metroid prime 2 was influenced by halo because you think it is.

>> No.8270424

>>8270412
Yes, I am sure the devs decided to take what quickly became a famous cutscene and sequence from a hugely popular game that kept getting compared to the first Prime for some bizarre reason and make their own version of it for shits and giggles when Prime 1 had nothing of the sort.

>> No.8270427

>>8270424
Prime 1 had more cutscenes depending on the region. The US release was clearly rushed out the door.

>> No.8270568

>>8270424
If that's what you believe

>> No.8270578

>waiting for health
This isn't fun
>punished for exploring outside the paths of safety domes
This isn't fun and it's ALSO anti-Metroid
>nothing to look at except the same 2 area themes alternating
This isn't fun

You like this game because it's hated. If more people had somehow liked this game, your opinion would be radically different, because you don't know anything but contrarianism.

>> No.8270608

>>8270578
y r u mad is only bebby gems

>> No.8270612

>>8268530
Metroid prime is one of my favourite games i tried twice to play through this game and it just sucks

>> No.8270668
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8270668

>>8270578
>waiting for health
this is pretty shitty but when there's enemies around you can just kill them for health instead. you rarely have to wait. also you can pump up the light zones with light beam to heal faster
>punished for exploring outside the paths of safety domes
same as above.
>nothing to look at except the same 2 area themes alternating
it's not exactly 2 but it is a very samey game unfortunately. it's weird that the first game hit snow and magma among other things but the sequel has less variety

>> No.8270676

The big thing I remember from MP2 is the grape jelly beam charge combo.

>> No.8270979

>>8269838
>>8269876
Prime 2 was only developed in a year I think so that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest

>> No.8271016

>>8268530
I've never seen Prime 2 talked about like the other Prime games, someone care to enlighten me why? I've only ever played Prime 1 and heard rave reviews about it and Prime 3 but I hear almost nothing of 2. Was it just growing pains or something?

>> No.8271172

>>8271016
>go through half a level
>go through purple version of that level
>back to the regular version
it's basically prime 1 but with shitty level design. usually if you talk to people about it they say it's the hard one. the story is more of a focus but DARK WORLD DARK ING DARK SAMUS is not exactly shakespeare
3 doubles down on the story and linearity but in a more intelligent way, so yeah you could call it growing pains. i like the first one most, though

>> No.8272128

>>8271172
The level design is way more intuitive than Prime 1.

>> No.8274031

>>8271016
Prime 1 is notable for being the first, Prime 3 is notable for being on the Wii with motion controls.

Prime 2 is just more of Prime 1 but slightly different.

>> No.8274564

>>8268637
>remove the Metroid atmosphere that made Prime 1 so incredible
FUCKING
THIS
echoes is great, but the "exploring alone on an alien planet" feel is GONE
bloody exposition moths

>> No.8274581

>>8270676
pretty sure you've posted this before

>> No.8274598
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8274598

>>8274581
I have. MP2 threads are kinda uncommon and I know there's other autists that think it looks like fucking grape jelly too.
But to talk more about the game proper, I love the design of the dark and light suits, as well as that water booster pack thing.

I can remember first being upset that the dark suit only slows energy drain but honestly I appreciate they hold off total hazard immunity til late game. Hazard zones in the other Metroid games always go from hard road blocks to completely negligible. It takes balls to keep the darkness a hazard up until the very end.

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8274619

>>8274598
I also enjoy the beam ammo management system more than I thought I would. It helps keep the power beam relevant throughout the game, and the simple system of killing shit with one ammo type giving ammo for the other feels intuitive.
It's also nice that even if you're out of ammo, you can use a charge shot to fire a normal attack to open doors or kill shit that can only be damaged with that particular beam.

Metroid Prime 2 is pretty good.

>> No.8274624

I know that techno part of the game has awesome as fuck music and soul. But FUCK that glitch. There's a glitch in that area that locks you out of the area, and it wrecked my last game and I had to shark my way out.

>> No.8274684

>>8270029
The one thing the series does exceptionally well is immersion. Like with the subtle reflections/water droplets on the visor.

>> No.8274692

>>8270009
>Lag
>In a visor that's literally transparent

>> No.8274707

Not retro, but MP3 apes Halo 1 and 2's intros far more egregiously than the gf marine sequence apes the 343 guilty spark log.

>> No.8274715

>>8274692
It's jarring and gets the point across.

>> No.8275108

>>8270668
On the other hand, no one needs to make "it's not that bad" excuses for core elements of Metroid Prime 1 gameplay.

>> No.8275786

Didn't they have to patch it together in like a year? I can forgive some of the weaker elements.

>> No.8275789

>>8274707
I didn't play Halo until many years later, but I thought the gf sequence at the start of Prime 2 was cool on its own merits. On the other hand, the gf stuff in Prime 3 was boring and dragged the game way down.

>> No.8275795

>>8268530
They were wondering how they could get me to quit the Metroid franchise until literally this month when Dread released.

>> No.8275796

>>8272128
It's also much more linear. Almost all the powerups you collect are within the same area.

>> No.8275824

Prime 2 is just too long. If you trimmed down the mediocre areas and the artifact hunt to make is as long as Prime 1, it'd be great.

>> No.8275843

>>8275824
it only feels long because it's full of filler

>> No.8275905

>muh artifict hunt! MUH ARTIFACT HUNT!
I don't fucking care. This has never been anything resembling an issue for me.

>> No.8275913

>>8275905
The artifact hunt was cool in Prime 1, but it was tedious in Prime 2.

>> No.8276284

>>8275843
Yes that's exactly what I meant. Waiting for health regen also bogs down the gameplay and while I appreciate that the game is hard there could have been better ways to do that than health degeneration and too much tedious combat.

>> No.8276290

>>8276284
Health draining could have been implemented in a better way, that I agree with.

>> No.8276308

>>8276284
>>8276290
The dark world should've had its own oxygen-like meter separate from health that just outright kills you or makes you take massive DPS once depleted. The light orbs would instantly refill it, eliminating the downtime.

>> No.8276312

>>8268530
>60hz only in Europe
what in the god damn

>> No.8276315

>>8276308
Yep, that's how most games do it. Seems like a no brainer in hindsight.

>> No.8276320

>>8276308
Yeah or if enemies in the dark world were immune to your default blaster and you had to use different ammo types, forcing the player to develop new combat strategies.

>> No.8276321

>>8276315
Making the keys organically collectable from the beginning like in Prime was a no-brainer, too. So many baffling choices in this game.

>> No.8276324

>>8276320
Prime 2 is already pretty good about different ammo types in general, light world and dark world. Better than Prime 1 for sure.

>> No.8276327

>>8276321
I think if it had 6 months more development time it'd be the uncontested best in the prime series.

>> No.8276338

>>8276320
Sounds like you just don't want to experiment. The light and dark shots are actually extremely useful for trivializing enemies that would give you shit otherwise. Like those things that BSOD your suit.