/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8255153]

Did violent games becoming more mainstream thwarted Sonic's cool image?

[Anonymous No.8255159]

yes

[Anonymous No.8255165]

>>8255153
No. The fanbase tarnished Sonic's image with their 'tism.

[Anonymous No.8255186]

>>8255165
No Sonic Team ruined sonic by creating autistic games.

[Anonymous No.8255195]

>>8255153
Kind of... I think the weird story telling was cool to kids with Adventure 1 but most people were older and saw how cheesy it was by the time Adventure 2 came out. Peter Moore tried to tell them people thought Sega was uncool but they didn't believe them. So Sonic games just got more into their weird story telling with Heroes and Shadow. 06 had a lot of hype with the demo but we all know how that ended.

[Anonymous No.8255196]

>>8255153
No, a violent Sonic game in 2005 did that

[Anonymous No.8255215]

Sonic has gone to shit because of Sega's retardation. They don't have quality control and the whole country debate withn the company is what killed themselves. There's nothing wrong with Sonic itself, i just worry what Sega might fucked up next.

[Anonymous No.8255217]

Kids still think Sonic is cool, so there's that.

[Anonymous No.8255238]

>>8255153
If that is true, it was dwarfed by Sega deciding to make Nights instead of a new Sonic. Horrible management.

[Anonymous No.8255258]

>>8255153
The redesign of Sonic is what ruined Sonic

[Anonymous No.8255267]

>>8255258
All better than midget kiddy sonic

[Anonymous No.8255271]

>>8255165
>>8255186
It's a mix of both really.

[Anonymous No.8255273]

There were already lots of violent games being made before Sonic released. You think NES games like Castlevania, Contra, Double Dragon, etc aren't violent because they don't have gore? The 1980s had lots of "teen" games in terms of their premises and film comparisons. It was the era where you had hundreds of games about wars, street brawls, and stuff like that. Not everything in the 1980s was Qbert, Mario, and jumpy cartoon-things.

[Anonymous No.8255274]

>>8255267
I prefer midget sonic to lanky wannabe cringe wigger sonic

[Anonymous No.8255282]

>>8255273
None to the level of GTA or Doom

[Anonymous No.8255292]

>>8255273
Graphics matter, there is a reason why there was no ESRB until Mortal Kombat

[Anonymous No.8255329]

>>8255153
As time passed it was inevitable really, though I don’t think the majority of people ever liked Sonic because it was ‘cool.’ Sonic doesn’t need to be cool. The idea of that is just fucking stupid and unsustainable. When the Dreamcast came around, Sonic Team made the mistake of clinging onto that notion that Sonic had to be trendy and mature to sell instead of treating it like a legacy franchise. Nobody fucking thinks the Sonic characters themselves are cool. The gameplay and aesthetics are what resonated with people.

[Anonymous No.8255353]

>>8255153
What thwarted Sonic was a bunch of different factors combined into one

First of all, Sega's own stupidity and endless streak of their dumb decisions finally backfired in such way it damaged their flagship franchise. Sonic's image as a cult video game character was de-established.

Second, GTA-like games were rapidly rising in popularity. 2006 is a year when everybody suddenly decided that video games needs more seriousness and realism and started making that pretentious open-world cancer. All thanks to GTA being an enormous hit.
Xbox 360 and PS3 hype also added to that. There was a lot of talk about next-gen when these consoles were about to release, and games as a whole were becoming mainstream.
So a lot of devs attempted to reinvent their old franchises, make them look more serious and adult, to appeal to new players.

Third, as a result of things mentioned above, platformers with funny animal mascots died as a genre.
Sonic simply reached an end of his era and became more of a living relic of the past. Dude with attitude from the decade of radical attidudeness looks like a clown in the modern times.

[Anonymous No.8255356]

>>8255258
I kinda wish we got #3

[Anonymous No.8255360]

>>8255258
Weird, the one labeled "2" reminds me of the half classic half adventure style sonic seen on the Japanese 3D Blast art.

[Anonymous No.8255370]

>>8255356
>>8255360
Yuji Uekawa is the artist. His designs are fucking awful. What were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.8255384]

>>8255329
>Nobody fucking thinks the Sonic characters themselves are cool

Fuck no. These guys on a pic looked like two coolest niggas to me when I was 10. Sonic was literally made to look cool as shit, in contrast to Mario. His signature pose (with pointing finger) reeks that attitude, like he's asking "Are you cool enough to keep up with me?" Adventure just cranked up that attitude to the max.

[Anonymous No.8255461]

not every kid had those violent video games. to them, sonic stayed the coolest.

[Anonymous No.8255465]

No, Sega falling for the shit 3d platformer gimmick killed Sonic.

[Anonymous No.8255568]

>>8255153
iving the japs control of the marketing and characterization killed sonics cool image because they immediately turned the series into retarded anime bullshit like they always wanted it to be, and then doubled down on it when people told them it sucked.

[Anonymous No.8255771]

Sega did that with the redesign. Classic Sonic has an effortless cool factor about him. New Sonic just looks gangly and behaves like he's trying too hard.

[Anonymous No.8255787]

>>8255329
Sonic was cool, but people have the wrong idea of what that even means. Sonic was cool like Megaman X is cool. It's much more in the music and aesthetics of the game, than it is in Sonic himself being some Poochy the Dog "cool guy".
The image of this sleekly designed character speeding through stylish looking landscapes as great music plays is the essence of what is cool about Sonic. It's not seeing him do a kickflip, and say "woo". It's not hearing him speak like a retarded California surfer.

[Anonymous No.8255792]

>>8255384
>These guys on a pic looked like two coolest niggas to me when I was 10.
Not everyone suffers autism, anon

[Anonymous No.8255909]

>>8255153
>Did violent games becoming more mainstream thwarted Sonic's cool image?
based Space Invaders thwarting the hedgehog

[Anonymous No.8255910]

>>8255282
zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.8255915]

>>8255292
>what is slaughterhouse
>what is megami tensei

[Anonymous No.8255995]

>>8255792
You sure seem like it.

[Anonymous No.8256054]

>>8255282
Slaughterhouse is stupidly visceral, and you've got earlier games like Chiller

[Anonymous No.8256121]

>>8255153
>violent games becoming more mainstream thwarted Sonic's cool image?
Nah. I loved both Sonic and Mortal Kombat at the same time. Sonic stopped being cool when he started to speak in game. I liked both Adventure games but it was the beginning of the end of "cool" Sonic.
>>8255384
>These guys on a pic looked like two coolest niggas to me when I was 10.
Same

[Anonymous No.8256152]

>>8255258
They should’ve gone with 3. Would’ve been funny

[Anonymous No.8256265]

>>8256152
Those exaggerated knuckles would have been creepy in 3D

[Anonymous No.8256334]

>>8255329
>>8255384
>>8255258
>>8255186
This. I have good memories of the Adventure games but they were a big mistake in retrospect. Sonic Team shouldn't have tried to reinvent the brand and throw out the winning formula they had of timelessly appealing designs, surreal dreamlike landscapes, catchy pop/funk music, simple storytelling, a focus on polished gameplay above story. All of their changes just made the series objectively lamer. They should've followed Mario 64's example and put their efforts towards making a game where controlling Sonic felt just right, with the movement and momentum being the number one priority. But instead they put their efforts towards making a cringe movie with 6 mediocre gameplay styles. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.8256350]

>>8256334
>They should've followed Mario 64's example
Sonic is the answer to Mario, not Mario if he cool.

[Anonymous No.8256373]

>>8256350
They had the beginnings of something good there with the whole parkour concept, they just didn't take the time to hone it as much as they should, which is kind of the problem with all of these games. For every good idea, there's a monumental lack of polish.

[Anonymous No.8256379]

Sonic isn’t anywhere near as cool as Douk Noukem

[Anonymous No.8256397]

>>8256373
Incidentally, why people like Robo Blast 2 so much. Because the people making that game have spend years just honing it and making it feel good to control.

[Anonymous No.8257213]

>>8255384
>When I was 10
>10 years of age
>Ten
Key word there, pal

[Anonymous No.8258147]

>>8255258
4 looks fucking awful. Looks like an deviantart oc for Sonic's evil twin brother.

[Anonymous No.8258167]

I really do miss the days when Sonic wasn't shit on all the time and the "fanbase" wasn't full of weirdos from the internet.

[Anonymous No.8258201]

>>8255153
No. It was the 'adventure' aspect that did em in. All the monstrously popular games are all action games. All Sega had to do was make the game with Sonic alone and have levels of Emerald Cost quality. Seeing Sonic Adventure on Dreamcast was far more impressive than GTA3 but as anons wrote GTA3 lets you be hyper-destructive for instant thrills.

Sonic's eventuality has been forced to confront that simulating rollercoaster movement in extravagant hyper-realized virtual worlds is not a lengthy game but a highly replayable one with necessary player breaks. No filler, all cool =complaints. Filler added = uncool.

[Anonymous No.8258214]

>>8258201
GTA3 was so evidently shallow to me when I played it for the first time back in 2002. My memory of it was "oh ok I can go around the city, kill random people, fuck and kill whores and then do some more killing... cool", and then after 5 minutes the novelty wore off completely, I could see how it was actually just a walking simulator.

[Anonymous No.8258609]

>>8256397
and the funniest thing is that it still doesn't feel that far removed from doom

[Anonymous No.8260027]

>>8255153
yes when you could say shart fack cunt in game sonic died

[Anonymous No.8260079]

>>8255153
No, Sonic was always a faggot who only appealed to autists

[Anonymous No.8260287]

>>8258214
It had missions that you would do.

[Anonymous No.8260895]

>>8255258
I think zoomers would like the 3 one.

[Anonymous No.8261983]

>>8255258
>that #3 design
dear god, I guess I should feel grateful we didn't get that

[Anonymous No.8261987]

>>8255258
>that #4 design
dear god, I guess I should feel grateful we didn't get that.

[Anonymous No.8261990]

>>8257213
Video games are made for ten year olds anon

[Anonymous No.8261993]

>>8260895
I hate 3

[Anonymous No.8262123]

>>8255384
If two furries standing on a rock is cool to you, you must be CWC. The cool part of Sonic is the gameplay. But only zooomers and SA2Bcoomers don't have standards for that.

[Anonymous No.8262228]

>>8255787
Funny enough, X suffers the inverse issue where, the taller he got the cooler he looked to the Mega Man fandom (compare his X1 artwork to his X5 artwork).
Probably the chunky boots balances it out.

[Anonymous No.8262230]

>>8255915
somehow, Splatterhouse went completely unnoticed, it was Mortal Kombat and Night Trap what made the congress go apeshit because "OH MY GOD REAL PEOPLE GETTING MAIMED".
Megami Tensei wasn't out in the US.

[Anonymous No.8262236]

>>8255153
doom is and always will be the most epicist of games of all time

[Anonymous No.8263462]

>>8255153
No, Sonic talking did.

[Anonymous No.8263474]

>>8255153
EDGY

[Anonymous No.8264338]

>>8262230
>somehow, Splatterhouse went completely unnoticed
Because US's double standards knowns no bound, there were games as gore as MK, dosen't help that MKII was "banned" in Germany to "protect german youth". Because after wwii where US/UK made a treaty on Germany to do this shit so that "won't repeat mistakes". British people are niggers.

[Anonymous No.8264352]

>>8255165
Nobody associated Sonic with autism until 2015 or 2016.

That particular odd part of the community was definitely growing by 2010 but even then, associating Sonic with autism is a relatively new memetic ideology.

[Anonymous No.8264369]

>>8264352
It another tactic for losers like Arin to bash Sonicfags just because they like Sonic.

[Anonymous No.8264408]

>>8264352
It's at least a late 00's thing.

[Anonymous No.8264410]

>>8255153
>Did violent games becoming more mainstream thwarted Sonic's cool image?
Violent games were already mainstream during Sonic's heyday.

Goddamn you people have some of the worst takes on retro video games. You don't need to post every dumb shower thought that comes to mind. Think for 5 minutes, then make a thread.

[Anonymous No.8264416]

>>8264369
Your preoccupation with this man worries me.

[Anonymous No.8264421]

>>8264352
>Nobody associated Sonic with autism until 2015 or 2016.
You are wrong.

[Anonymous No.8264426]

>>8264421
Show me proof of autism being associated with Sonic any earlier than 2009 or 2010.

[Anonymous No.8264435]

>>8264426
Chris-chan.

[Anonymous No.8264440]

>>8264435
>Our journey begins in 2007 when Sonichu was first discovered on 4chan

You win.

[Anonymous No.8264465]

>>8264416
I don't care about Game Grumps, i just heard from this guy so fucking much to the point they live rent free in their head, i mean do i blame them? He is shit at video games and he's partially guilty of why Sonic's reputation is so low now.

[Anonymous No.8264473]

>>8264435
>Sonichu
So Pokemon is also associated with autism?

[Anonymous No.8264483]

>>8264465
Egoraptor has a lot of stupid opinions about a lot of shit, and yet he has only managed to "ruin" Sonic with his incredible reach and influence. You think maybe the reality is that early 3D Sonic games are kind of shit, or something, and people are going to think that regardless?
>>8264473
Yes. How ignorant are you? The creator of Pokemon literally is autistic.

[Anonymous No.8264504]

>>8264473
Of course, pokefags have been called autists on this very site as early as 2006

[Anonymous No.8264508]

>>8264483
>its true
Holy based so this is the power of autism

[Anonymous No.8265715]

itt nerds are too insecure to appreciate based sonic games

[Anonymous No.8265725]

>>8264352
as a wee 10yo Sonic fan in 2010 I definitely knew we are an autistic bunch

[Anonymous No.8265762]

>>8255153
Shitty Sonic games made sonic look bad. If it was soley violent videogames that made the franchise look uncool, then Mario would be in that category with sonic but alas, Mario is still popular. It's because Nintendo puts in the effort to make Mario fun. Something that Segs let alone Sonic Team has done rarely.

[Anonymous No.8265851]

>>8264352
>Nobody associated Sonic with autism until 2015 or 2016.
You could not be more wrong. Sonichu and Tails gets Trolled were way before that and that wasn't even the start of the autism

[Anonymous No.8266102]

>>8265851
TGT is good though

[Anonymous No.8266189]

>>8264508
He's a cool dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwfoRb8Ahio

[Anonymous No.8266198]

>>8266189
Oh, the subtitles are all fucked up in that video, but you get the idea.

[Anonymous No.8266357]

>>8264352
>Nobody associated Sonic with autism until 2015 or 2016.
>until 2015 or 2016.
Did you mean 2005 or 2006?

[Anonymous No.8266362]

>>8260287
Yeah but the gameplay was still bland. The main attraction of GTA3 was the concept of "going anywhere, kill anyone you want", but once that wore off, that was it. For some people, it never wore off. To me, it was after 5 minutes.

[Anonymous No.8266370]

>>8255792
But all sonic fans do.

Sonic is still "cool" to this day, which is why Sega gets away with releasing bad and mediocre games and having them turn a profit. The series' biggest problem is that almost every game is jankier than the last.

[Anonymous No.8266385]

>>8264473
Yes.

[Anonymous No.8266702]

>>8266370
Thank you. I don't care about Sonic's "cool" image when his games are cancer. Why do you think I just stick to classic era stuff? Here's a secret:
Classic Sonic is cool AND has good games. When he's already figured out gameplay wise, his coolness can shine through in earnest. Shitting out parasitic trash like 06, ShTH, Forces or Boom isn't going to make me care about some "personality image". But when it comes to the modern era fanbase, all they care about is surface level pandering.