/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8245637]

When it comes to Kart-Racing discussion, I always see people having a big hateboner for Mario Kart 64 (either saying it aged poorly or that its the worst MK game), why is that?
I find it more fun than later installments in the series, and compared to the other titans of its genre (DKR or CTR) it still holds up fairly well, and I might say its much better in the multiplayer aspect compared to Diddy or Crash.

[Anonymous No.8245642]

because hating the N64 is cool

[Anonymous No.8245647]

>why is that?
They're homos. MK64 is good, and I say this while preferring CTR over anything else.

[Anonymous No.8245659]

With few exceptions each mainline Mario Kart game is slightly superior to the precious, Mario Kart 64 is the second worse non-mobile Mario Kart game. Mario Kart games are supposed to be casual. Modern polish and corporate style-over-substance blandness suits them.

[Anonymous No.8245667]

People that say MK64 is shit got filtered by the rubberbanding AI (which balances itself by only being able to use a few items that aren't that obnoxious, specially compared to future games in the franchise, also mini-turbos, use them).

[Anonymous No.8245674]

>>8245659
>>8245659
>the newer games are shit but it suits them so therefore this one is the second worst
lol these gymnastics

[Anonymous No.8245727]

>>8245637
Because it aged poorly and it's the worst MK game.

[Anonymous No.8245734]

>>8245659
Damn, guess we should be thankful at least that Double Dash is the uncontested worst.

[Anonymous No.8245745]

>>8245734
I was surprised how slow this one felt, I'm not really into Nintendo games.

[Anonymous No.8245776]

Yeah a lot of homos have a hateboner for the N64
They can't admit that MK64 is the peak of the series

[Anonymous No.8245789]

>>8245776
I believe that Ocarina and Mario 64 are the greatest games ever made, but saying that Mario Kart 64 is the best in the series is ridiculous. The only good thing it has is the battle mode, which is inferior to the battle mode on Mario Kart DS anyway as it doesn't have bots.

[Anonymous No.8245791]

>>8245727
Its the fastest, less gimmicky, with more satisfying items, Mario Kart game. You should really shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.8245798]

Mario Kart is one of the few series that has actually improved over time

[Anonymous No.8245804]

>>8245791
It looks absolutely terrible, the controls are not good. With the speed the bad controls then become a serious problem - and Mario Kart 8 is clearly the fastest. The items are no better than other games.

>You should really shut the fuck up.
Cry harder.

[Anonymous No.8245835]

I played this game in 4player mode betting money
this is the only game ive seen capable bringing out the worse of human nature

[Anonymous No.8245836]

Mario Kart 64 is pretty average if you aren't viewing it with extreme nostalgia. Maybe average isn't the right word, but it's basic - it's the bare minimum that you should expect from Mario Kart. There are better kart racers from this era. There are better driving games from this era. Arguably every Mario Kart after 64 is superior.

[Anonymous No.8245837]

>>8245798
People only tolerate nu-Mario Kart because due to the ultra casual aspect (and because it has "Mario" and "Kart" in the title) . As far back as CTR to modern day with Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed and CTR Nitro-Fueled the entire series has been consistently one-upped by random games.

[Anonymous No.8245842]

>>8245637
MK64 is my favorite, however I do hate the spinout shit if you press left to right too much

[Anonymous No.8245845]

>>8245837
I don't tolerate it, I generally like it. A lot of people like these games and aren't autistic enough to pretend that they're somehow terrible when compared to MK64.

[Anonymous No.8245849]

>>8245659
Mk64 is that exception unfortunately, it's a much more dumbed down game than Mariokart on SNES. It looks prettier but its tracks are unbelievably boring and easy by comparison, and every single added mechanic and item made the game worse except for AI finally using the same items as you. There is no situation whatsoever where I wouldn't leap to play MKDD, MKDS or SMK over MK64. If I want to hit up 5th gen kart racing in particular, CTR (which came 2 years later) still completely annihilates it with its good mechanics and interesting, bouncy tracks.

[Anonymous No.8245974]

As far as I know, people just pick their favorites based on their own childhood memories with friends.
But objectively, and thinking about go-karting specifically, I still like MK64 the best because of 2 things: the mini-turbo mechanic, I think it's excellent and my favorite out of any other similar game including later MK installments, and because of the 3 receway tracks (Mario, Luigi and Royal) which are the ones that feel the most like actual go-karting instead of intricate adventure-like paths.
go-karting circuits don't need anything too long or adventurous, it just needs to have good balance between curves and straight lines to abuse the mini-turbo as much as you can.
I'll take MK64 and the 3 raceway circuits over any other "adventure" racing game like DKR, CTR, etc.

[Anonymous No.8245979]

> either saying it aged poorly or that its the worst MK game
I thought Mortal Kombat 4 is the worst MK game...

[Anonymous No.8245998]

>>8245637
Am I the only one who likes the lack of kart customizability in these earlier Mario Kart games? It fucking infuriates me to no end that there is a objective ranking of vehicles in later games. Funky Kong/Flame Runner in MKWii and Wiggler Mini Wheels combo in MK8.

[Anonymous No.8246009]

It's the only good Mario Kart game.

[Anonymous No.8246015]

>>8245637
The drivers werent really 3D. also you couldnt move in the air, whereas CTR you could. CTR also had more personality too

[Anonymous No.8246023]

>>8245998
For me it's Bowser + R.O.B Legs in MKDS.

[Anonymous No.8246049]

>>8245998
>It fucking infuriates me to no end that there is a objective ranking of vehicles in later games.
This is also the case in Mario Kart 64

[Anonymous No.8246182]

I always hated the 2D sprites, that stuff looked cheap even back then. Always looked at the rendered art and think how great it would have been if the game looked like that.

[Anonymous No.8246198]

>>8245637
Has the best battle mode hands down

[Anonymous No.8246204]

>>8246182
as a kid i couldnt even tell

[Anonymous No.8246240]

>>8245998
Unfortunately MK64 is by far the most unbalanced in the whole series. It's a severe flaw in the game that the "accel fastest" racers have the same max speed and no downside to it, and there are fewer classes of racers than any other MK game.

[Anonymous No.8246242]

>>8246182
Yeah this was a bit annoying, the system was bought for its 3D capabilities and they wouldn't even give us 3D racers.

[Anonymous No.8246392]

>>8246242
The kart animations weren't even good.

[Anonymous No.8246402]

>>8246204
I could, was extremely obvious in toad's turnpike.
Most tracks were barren wastelands with nothing else going on, don't understand why they didn't do 3D models, seems like they went an harder path with the 2D pre-rendered models.

[Anonymous No.8246420]

>>8246402
the n64 was a piece of shit probably the snes was faster at 2d stuff considering how low tier specs this thing had

[Anonymous No.8246424]

>>8245637
I like it more than the original SNES mario kart, and loved playing it on my n64 as a kid, but looking back it was still a very unpolished experience. Mario Kart hit its peak the the DS verison and Double Dash.

[Anonymous No.8246430]

>>8245637
people have a hateboner for 64? if anything i see people having a bigger hateboner for snes mario kart if only because it controls wonky and isn't as fleshed out. i quite like 64 myself as well as snes

[Anonymous No.8246437]

64 is the best one, followed by DS and then probably Super or Wii. Never understood the love for Double Dash, guess it's just Gamecube nostalgia

[Anonymous No.8246446]

>>8246430
Whenever i see mario kart/kart racer discussion it usually gets a ton of criticism (not talking just about this website, I've seen it on forums or shitty youtuber videos too).
I honestly still consider it the king of multiplayer racing games.

[Anonymous No.8246467]

>>8246446
i just find it funny that 64 is apparently being shit on when i've heard more people bitch and moan about snes. for my money though ds was where shit got real with mario kart, as much as i love 64

[Anonymous No.8246485]

I remember a magazine tearing MK64 to shreds after DKR came out, saying that DKR was the game 64 should've been. For single player content I couldn't agree more, MK64 is so bare bones in that regard.

[Anonymous No.8246503]

>>8246240

Ah so the instruction manuals straight up lied then. The heavies were said to have the highest top speed, the actuality being that they just hit that speed the fastest.

[Anonymous No.8246507]

MK64 has the best shortcuts along with Wii.

[Anonymous No.8246512]

>>8245637
No one even cares quit pretending like anyone does

[Anonymous No.8246513]

The mode 7 entries are by far the worst. Super Mario Kart may have kicked off a whole subgenre but the handling is off and the AI rubberband is some of the worst in the series.

[Anonymous No.8246531]

>>8245637
I started off with this game and never like the ones that came after because it never seemed to evolve

[Anonymous No.8246558]

>>8245637
it's my favorite racing game to play with friends

[Anonymous No.8246594]

>audio issues
>worst AI rubberbanding in the series
>collision issues with bananas
>map doesn’t even work in yoshi valley
>no vs mode

[Anonymous No.8246602]

>>8246594
>>worst AI rubberbanding in the series
youre garbage

[Anonymous No.8246610]

>>8246602
>Mario raceway
>be in first
>use mushroom to cut across the sand before the big pipe at the end
>AI is right behind me as I drive back into the track

>toads turnpike
>use golden mushroom
>get the AI noise when they pass you 4 times as I’m spamming it to drift around DK

>get passed by toad once
>no amount of racing as yoshi and hitting orange E boosts ever catches me up to him

Yes, clearly the game is totally fair and doesn’t rubberband at all

[Anonymous No.8246679]

too much soul for some people to handle

[Anonymous No.8246701]

>>8246437
pretty good take

[Anonymous No.8246871]

>>8245647
It's better than CTR. Nothing in CTR stands up to blockfort. Super Mario Kart on SNES is the true king of Kart racers though.

[Anonymous No.8246874]

>>8246182
>Always looked at the rendered art and think how great it would have been if the game looked like that.
2d sprites were fine. Most N64 games look like shit and had you got your wish I promise you it would have turned out worse.

[Anonymous No.8246876]

>>8246240
>and no downside to it
Toad can lose balloons in battle just by touching heavies.

[Anonymous No.8246885]

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[Anonymous No.8246909]

>>8246594
Super has worse rubberbanding

[Anonymous No.8247150]

>>8246610
>Yes, clearly the game is totally fair and doesn’t rubberband at all
Outside of Moo Moo Farm the AI can be smashed fairly easily. Unless you get chain blue shelled/lightening put on you I could load up Mario Kart and get first place in almost every course first attempt. I played a fuck load of Mario Kart 64 and it's no where near as hard as SNES Mario Kart.

[Anonymous No.8247152]

>>8246402
Performance. The N64 is a piece of shit. F-Zero X even sacrificed stereo audio in order to keep 60fps

[Anonymous No.8247157]

>>8245637
It's not like it's a bad game. It was amazing for its time. One of the best games of its generation. It's just that later games have better controls and better tracks, and therefore are better.

[Anonymous No.8247165]

>>8247157
>It's just that later games have better controls and better tracks, and therefore are better.
>Next game in the series is far worse
I'd bet money half the posters in this thread have never even played any Mario Kart games outside of 8.

[Anonymous No.8247168]

>>8247152
What does audio have to do with frame rate?

[Anonymous No.8247176]

>>8246594
>map doesn’t even work in yoshi valley

the track is literally a maze, I'm not sure what you expect from it. If anything making the map work in MK* was a downgrade.

[Anonymous No.8247178]

[Anonymous No.8247379]

>>8247168
No audio processor, it was all done by the same CPU.

[Anonymous No.8247380]

>>8245642
For faggots, I mean.

[Anonymous No.8247404]

[Anonymous No.8247667]

>>8246420
Wave Race 64
DKR
Mickey's Speedway

All proved the system was capable, they could have switched to lowpoly 2D sprites if all the karts were in view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1kn3UTuCo

[Anonymous No.8247752]

>>8246198
>Has the best battle mode hands down
lol, no

[Anonymous No.8247758]

>>8246513
zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.8247915]

>>8247165
god i hate double dash.

[Anonymous No.8248015]

>>8247915
I hated double dash when it came out because it wasn’t MK64 and I didn’t have a GC, but I’ve grown to love it over the years. Why do people actually dislike this game?

[Anonymous No.8248064]

>>8246015
I remember seeing the feather item from Super Mario Kart in a preview shot of MK64. I always wondered why it got cut cause some of the shortcuts look like they were designed with it in mind.

[Anonymous No.8248117]

>>8245727
>>8245637
>aged

[Anonymous No.8248212]

>>8247150
go race toads turnpike in 150cc and tell me how easy it is to maintain the lead

[Anonymous No.8248345]

>>8248015
I dont like it because it controls like you're on ice, even after i got good at drifting/mini-turboing (and got decent at snaking) it still felt like ass, the tracks are shit sans a few ones (wario colosseum needs to comeback), the music is a downgrade in comparison to 64 or Super, the items got way more chaotic and I really don't like the game's graphics and visuals.

[Anonymous No.8248361]

>>8247667
>Examples are all less fun games than Mario Kart 64
>Zoomer e-celeb video

[Anonymous No.8248369]

>>8246871
Don't be retarded this early.

[Anonymous No.8248451]

>>8248369
>Can't even provide an image disproving block forts superiority

[Anonymous No.8248460]

>>8245637
mario is THE most soulless nintendo IP. he should take an exit from gaming and become a corporate media mascot like Mickey Mouse.
vast majority of switch profile icons are of the Mario IP. other IPs have a laughably small amount of icons.

Mario already has:
>a movie
>a tv show
>an upcoming movie
>toy deals up the ass (lego being the recent addition)
>a fucking theme park

do we REALLY need more mario bullshit?

[Anonymous No.8248469]

>>8248451
Battle mode in kart racers is the designated retard playpen.

[Anonymous No.8248480]

>>8248469
How do you stumble into a Kart racing thread not realising Kart racers themselves are party games?

[Anonymous No.8248487]

>>8248480
Is Blur a party game?

[Anonymous No.8248579]

>>8248460
>t. Bowser

[Anonymous No.8248778]

>>8248212
no where near as hard as playing on the course with traffic going backwards lol

[Anonymous No.8248782]

>>8245637
It has the best races though, we can all agree on that. Double dash close second.
The later games don't have that magic, it's made clearer by how many older tracks they recycle.

[Anonymous No.8248794]

>>8246182
No, and it wouldn't have looked like that anyway.
Look at super smash and divide the polycount by 2 on the characters to see what you'd get.

[Anonymous No.8248941]

>>8246885
You sure are

[Anonymous No.8248987]

The camera moves in a really unnatural feeling sway when you turn because the camera has to orientate itself in such a way to keep the character kart sprites facing flat towards the screen.

It's fucking weird as shit.

[Anonymous No.8249003]

>>8248987
But that's not true. If you have a problem with the camera, it has nothing to do with accomodating for the sprites since they have 8 faces.

[Anonymous No.8249028]

>>8247165
>next game in the series
>double dash
>he doesn't know
though yeah it was still far worse.

[Anonymous No.8249307]

Nintendo turns the baby mode up every time they make a new Mario Kart . 8’s tracks are wide enough to fit multiple aircraft carriers on, and the default control scheme literally plays the game for you. 64 and SNES versions you at least have to be somewhat good and not only rely on RNG clown fiesta bullshit.

[Anonymous No.8249430]

>>8249307
64's track width really stood out to me as enormous open driving fields coming from SMK. Rainbow Road isn't even a challenging course anymore, it got killed in the baby-ification of just this specific game.

[Anonymous No.8249441]

>>8249307
It's like you've never even played MK64. Oh wait...

[Anonymous No.8249465]

Mario Kart 64 rocks!

[Anonymous No.8249487]

>>8249028
Fuck yes

[Anonymous No.8249504]

Mario Kart 64 is when the tech finally made kart games fun since 2d karting was very hard. It does everything right without overcomplicating it. The levels, physics, and items were great, else do you really want in a Kart racer

[Anonymous No.8249518]

>>8249028
1P mario kart isn't mario kart
and nobody had enough friends with the right hardware to link up

[Anonymous No.8249634]

>>8249504
It actually done right, no blue shells, put the triple shit and infinite boosts in the garbage. More tracks that aren't boring open spaces. 3D graphics. Satisfying physics. MK64 is a very weak first step for 3D kart racers and I'm glad everyone improved on it since then.

[Anonymous No.8250094]

>>8248487
>is some unknown obscure game a party game
Zero clue what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.8250186]

DS > Double Dash> Wii > N64 > Super Circuit > SMK

never played 7 and later

[Anonymous No.8250201]

>>8250186
Remove DS from your list and it is almost correct in the opposite order.

[Anonymous No.8250250]

>>8249003
It is true though. Go play the game and turn left or right. The entire camera sways to maintain perspective of the sprite. It's not how the camera works in literally any other racing game ever

[Anonymous No.8250271]

>>8250186
Based

[Anonymous No.8250289]

>>8250186
Your placements are subjective, as per anyone's opinion, however there's no denying MKDS is by far the best Kart

[Anonymous No.8250493]

>>8245637
it didn't hold up to CTR from the same era, that is all. decent game

[Anonymous No.8250583]

>>8250201
SMK drives like absolute shit

[Anonymous No.8250586]

I think it's just retrospective. Not as in "it doesn't hold up" kind of way although I bet some faggots use that arguement, but in a shock kind of way.
A few years ago me and some friends played Mariokart 64 at a game expo with all these classic consoles hooked up to CRTs and we all fucked up initially from the speed and the drifting and controls being different to Mariokart 8 that my brain has familiarised itself with. Same thing happened to me again when I replayed Mariokart Wii and I felt retarded for forgetting how the controls all work with the Wii Remote and Nunchuck confirguration. But once you remember and get used to it it's a great game.

[Anonymous No.8250596]

>>8250201
It was neat that after Brawl Nintendo decided to make sure the dominant strategy in another one of their games was to Snake.

[Anonymous No.8250794]

>>8245637
the only hard level is that one circuit that has bowser´s castle, the rest are easy

[Anonymous No.8250838]

most of the tracks are too wide with little to no obstacles, so it's like the lazy river of mario karts. plus its rainbow road is idiotically long and pure garbage, the switch remake of it is a straight upgrade

[Anonymous No.8251038]

>>8250493
They're not the same era, CTR was a late gen 5 game copying and improving everything about this one years later, a large enough gap to be a sequel of a sequel to Mk64 if they had made more than one a console ever. The reason it's enormously better and more polished is because MK64 existed at all years prior.

[Anonymous No.8251262]

>>8251038
don't forget CTR also had influence from Diddy Kong Racing too, so no wonder the game feels more refined.

[Anonymous No.8251303]

>>8250583
>SMK requires the most skill

[Anonymous No.8251346]

>>8245637
Diddy Kong Racing was better and everyone knew it. Still had fun on MK64 but thats only because us Nintendo 64 chads only had 10 games. DS version was the best btw

[Anonymous No.8251485]

>>8251038
Yeah it's Double Dash that should be ashamed of not being better than CTR, not MK64.

[Anonymous No.8251668]

>>8251303
based boomer

[Anonymous No.8251748]

>no contrarian trying to claim pic related was the true GOAT of fifth gen

I'm surprised.

[Anonymous No.8251813]

I never played it. I was too busy at the time enjoying Crash Team Racing.

[Anonymous No.8251824]

>>8251813
>CTR
>at the time

[Anonymous No.8251832]

>>8245637
Worst Rainbow Road

[Anonymous No.8251849]

>>8251824
I jumped the N64 ship in 98. Before then we didn’t get many games. Maybe 3 or 4 a year. Mario Kart 64 wasn’t one of the N64 games I owned. I had Super Mario 64, Wave Race 64, Killer Instinct Gold, NBA Hangtime, Rampage World Tour and San Francisco Rush.

[Anonymous No.8251869]

>>8249028
That shit was great to play when you have two younger siblings and a four player link cable. Racing and fighting at the same time.

[Anonymous No.8251895]

Hateboner for Mario kart 64??? Honestly it's the GOAT in the series.

[Anonymous No.8252139]

>>8251832
Rainbow road on N64? More like Gaybone Blowed on Nsexballs!

[Anonymous No.8252584]

>>8245637
I have fond memories of this game. I never played any Mario Kart games that came later and never wanted to; they all introduced gimmicks that dragged it away from the "kart" part of "Mario Kart". Mario Kart 64 is a simple game but it does it need to be anything more? I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.8253765]

>>8248487
Arguably if you bring it to a party. :^)