/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8242785]

are pcenginefags and saturnfags just eternally fucked? it wasn't enough that the consoles got fucked but the aftermarket has to do them dirty too

[Anonymous No.8242794]

>>8242785
Pay up retard buypig. Oink oink.
For that price how about not being a stupid collector and just get picrel

[Anonymous No.8242807]

>>8242794
why would i pay for emulation?

[Anonymous No.8242809]

Soldier Blade has been that price for years.

[Anonymous No.8242816]

>>8242807
>being this much of an actual idiot
keep window shopping paco

[Anonymous No.8242848]

>>8242816
>a device that emulates a whole VDC and the Supergrafx VPC with an FPGA
>not emulation
No thanks faggot, I'll keep my Turbo Everdrive and my supply of boxed original replacement parts for the CD drive that reads burned discs daily. You'll see me buying a mister before that abomination.

[Anonymous No.8242849]

>>8242785
Rare games are rare.
That being said, unless the market crashes, it’s probably going to stay that way and keep getting worse

[Anonymous No.8242865]

>>8242785
>are people who own games that have appreciated 2,000% over the 12 years ive been alive eternally fucked?
Probably. I'm either going to die from laughing too hard at you poorfag bandwagoners or drown swimming in my Scrooge McDuck vault after I sell my shit.

[Anonymous No.8242903]

>>8242865
We both know you're not selling anything (in the slim chance you do actually have anything), it'll just rot in your room while your head somehow twists itself into thinking this is an "investment".

[Anonymous No.8242904]

>>8242785
Fortunately there is emulation and ODEs available now for the two systems. Thanks to the fans there are many options now.

[Anonymous No.8242917]

>>8242904
OP is too much of an idiot to use an ODE. He can only dream of playing games >>8242807

[Anonymous No.8242996]

>>8242807
Wait. Do you actually not know that besides HuCard games, it absolutely is emulation and not perfect emulation at that?

[Anonymous No.8242998]

>>8242996
This was meant for you >>8242816

[Anonymous No.8243025]

>>8242785
Obscure shit has been expensive for long time and just keeps increasing.

Buy now or pay more later is basically the deal.

[Anonymous No.8243027]

>>8242904
That's not how you play vertical shmups..

[Anonymous No.8243045]

>>8242794
>actually you're the retard for not paying for an imperfect emutumor
not going to sully my hands or my consoles with your cobrastan shitstain

[Anonymous No.8243186]

>>8242785
>saturnfags just eternally fucked?
no?

[Anonymous No.8243268]

>>8242903
>all that projecting and strawmanning
Just embarrassing
>your room
Stop. You're killing me.

[Anonymous No.8243274]

>>8243268
Sorry, I meant your basement, or your manbunker, as you call it to your mom.

[Anonymous No.8243365]

>>8242785
You could just get a job. Then you could afford those games easy.

[Anonymous No.8243686]

>>8243186
>been out for over a year
>using off-the-shelf esp32
>still no chinkclones
piratebros...

[Anonymous No.8243808]

>>8242785
pc-engine is for hardcore dad-shmup fans only and if you are into dad-shumps, soldier blade is worth that much money

[Anonymous No.8243852]

>>8242785
Why would you care about games to begin with? It's the console prices that are atrocious.

Thankfully, I just run all my PC Engine stuff through my MiSTer, which cost far less than it would've cost me to just get a decent RGB capable super CD setup these days. And occasionally Retroarch for RPGs because fuck grinding at 1x speed.

We're hitting the point at which original hardware is becoming pretty worthless. All I collect these days are controllers, while praying that my PVM lasts another 20 years before I have to recap it.

[Anonymous No.8243884]

Most of my retro collection has been sold off. Use ever drives and ODEs. Sold a copy of illbleed for 325 bucks local.

[Anonymous No.8243950]

>>8242785
Pc engine cd has no copy protection, you can just burn games. Or you could waste large amounts of money on single games. A duo rx is worth the extra cost for being able to burn games imo, but I'm a person that wants to play the games and not display them for reddit points

[Anonymous No.8244318]

>>8243274
>projecting intensifies

[Anonymous No.8244839]

>>8242785
>got into liking the saturn just as prices began rising even more
its not fair. i wasnt into sega growing up. oh well i got the cheap lightgun and fighting games. emulation for the rest

[Anonymous No.8244858]

>>8242785
I bought a modchip for my saturn back in 2013 and exclusively use CD-Rs. Not my problem.

[Anonymous No.8244863]

>>8244839
just use an ODE what the fuck are talking about

[Anonymous No.8244887]

>>8244863
why the fuck would i pay for an ODE when i can emulate on my pc

[Anonymous No.8245074]

>>8244887
why have a saturn at all if you're gonna emulate.

[Anonymous No.8246168]

>>8242807
>emulation
only the supergrafix games are truly emulation

[Anonymous No.8246172]

>>8243686
>chink clones
it's not even expensive man

[Anonymous No.8246617]

>>8243686
Seriously, WTF. The guy even put some of his logic captures and documentation on github. In the good old days there'd be at least half a dozen chinkshit knockoffs. Mr Bung and Mr Makko must be turning over in their graves. Are China zoomer just as useless as burger zoomers? Nut up faggots. You're dishonoring your entire countrys legacy.

[Anonymous No.8246673]

>>8242794
Nigga just buy the fucking Analogue Duo for CHAEPER at that point.

[Anonymous No.8246704]

>>8246673
>buy something that doesn't use original hardware
ok?

[Anonymous No.8246707]

>>8242785
I'm just not gonna buy it (the hardware) UGH I know! I know!1 I'm just gonna emulate it for free. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.8246727]

>>8246704
The Supersystem is just an FPGA anyways.

[Anonymous No.8246732]

>>8246727
only the the supergrafix part of games

[Anonymous No.8246751]

>>8246732
What about the CD part

[Anonymous No.8246774]

>>8246751
what about it?
the CD is a drive that uses the main system

[Anonymous No.8246923]

>>8246774
It's an ODE.
What does the 'E' stand for?
It's my understanding that it's not perfect and fucks up the timing for some dialog in some games.

[Anonymous No.8246964]

>>8246923
a disc emulator is not what you think it is mate
the timing is fucked in some games if you don't use original read speed

[Anonymous No.8247015]

>>8243186
I love the Saturn but I’d rather just play my burned cds what cost me pennies each. There’s something soulless about having your library on an sd card.

[Anonymous No.8247049]

>>8247015
>soulless
sounds more like a nostalgia thing for you anon, nothing wrong with it though

[Anonymous No.8247087]

>>8246172
so?

[Anonymous No.8247092]

>>8246727
this user is underage

[Anonymous No.8247680]

>>8243950
Ive wanted a duo for ages but due to technical ignorance i just got a pc engine and then ultimately the ssd3. I guess i like my pennies more than most.

[Anonymous No.8247852]

>>8242785
I can play that game for free

[Anonymous No.8247862]

>>8242785
What is the state of non-import games? Are they that expensive as well?

[Anonymous No.8247904]

>>8247852
>i can cheat not only the game but myself

[Anonymous No.8247954]

>>8247904
He doesn't get to own the item but he still gets to play it. You're a retard if you believe owning the hardware makes any differences beyond ownership.

[Anonymous No.8247990]

>>8247015
>SOUL
zoomer buzzword. Games are games. They're just as fun on a flashcart as 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.8248000]

>>8242794
That shit is mad gay. I'm still waiting for a solution that ONLY replaces the CD drive instead of this FPGA everything but the kitchen sink abomination.

[Anonymous No.8248032]

>>8247015
I felt this way too until my CD laser began dying and audio skipping became too severe to ignore.

[Anonymous No.8248992]

>>8248000
Why do people not get that the PCE CD is just a drive

[Anonymous No.8248998]

>>8243686
>>8246617
Idk why the PS1 and Dreamcast odes got clones so quickly, but everything else doesn't get shit.

[Anonymous No.8249059]

>200 bucks is considered expensive in america

why

[Anonymous No.8249069]

>>8247862
>What is the state of non-import games? Are they that expensive as well?
No. This is a pack-in game so it's the bottom of the barrel in terms of price. Cheap. Not dirt cheap just cheap. a more popular game like blazing lasers goes for $60+ it looks like

[Anonymous No.8249071]

>>8248992
Yes genius, the PCE CD, not that device.

[Anonymous No.8249080]

>>8249069
then op is a faggot

[Anonymous No.8249090]

>>8249071
That device is an ODE dumbass

[Anonymous No.8249112]

>>8249090
underage

[Anonymous No.8249129]

>>8249112
No argument
If you had said it’s way over priced or ugly then you’d have a point

[Anonymous No.8249429]

>>8248998
Those were quickly cloned because the devs were retarded and didn't lock them down properly. Fenrir works differently so the method used for those won't work. I'm guessing fenrir shit is encrypted, otherwise it would have been coppied long ago.

[Anonymous No.8249697]

>>8242917
Granted, the majority of the games I like on the PC-Engine are CD-based, and they could be burned. The HuCard/TurboChip games has the Turbo Everdrive which work as well.

>>8243027
Despite the game being a vertically scrolling shooting game, it was designed for a horizontal 4:3 screen.

[Anonymous No.8249706]

>>8242785
If you're a Saturnfag and you haven't bought an ODE yet than you are fucking up. I bought pic related and although the initial expense was high (I think I paid like $240), it has paid for itself many, many times.

Alternately you can drop $40 on a PseudoSaturn Kai cart (or flash your own) and $10 on a stack of CDRs and you will have more games than you will ever have time to play.

[Anonymous No.8249714]

>>8249706
Holy shit I forgot to post the image don't mind me I am just gay and retarded

[Anonymous No.8249787]

>>8249706
>>8249714
Yeah I got a 21 pin fenrir and black pseudo Kai for saves and 1m/4m games
It’s great honestly
Is the mode worth it for Saturn?
I know it’s great for Dreamcast

[Anonymous No.8249820]

>>8249787
Its the only ODE that has 100% compatibility with the entire Saturn library. It also has more options for storage mediums (microSD, SATA, and USB). It has less issues than Fenrir does, and is a little cheaper than a Satiator, so I think its the best option for Saturn ODEs.

Dropping $140 on a Fenrir isn't the worst idea in the world, but you might as well spend the money and get a better product. An extra hundred bucks is worth it when you're buying a piece of equipment that will save you thousands of dollars compared to buying physical Saturn games.

[Anonymous No.8249945]

>>8249706
In what world do a few spindles of CD-Rs cost more than $240, let alone any times $240?

[Anonymous No.8250075]

>>8249714
Based gay retard

[Anonymous No.8250089]

>>8249820
I've not come into any compatibility issues or hardware issues
what are the problems?
as far as I'm aware terra onion inflates their prices and has loads more firmware issues

[Anonymous No.8250213]

>>8249945
Re-read the post you are replying to, retardo.

>>8250089
Every time someone has a problem with a game not loading its always with a Fenrir. It also cannot switch discs without resetting the console, so there are a few games (not many, but still) where you cannot progress past disc one because they don't save in between discs.

MODE had a few issues when it first launched, but only with homebrew stuff (it could be a bit sloppy with not clearing memory at certain times). The homebrew community sperged out and the TO devs fixed the problem.

Like I said, Fenrir isn't a bad ODE, its just not the best ODE. For 99% of Saturn owners it will be perfectly fine.

Technically there are also Rheas, but no one ever mentions them because the guy who builds them is a turboautist who only builds them in small batches extremely rarely. The only way to get one is to camp his wordpress blog and wait until he announces a sale, then try and buy one the second the sale period starts (which might be at like 2 in the morning depending on where you are).

[Anonymous No.8250223]

>>8250213
>Every time someone has a problem with a game not loading
Ah, so it's file compatibility you mean
as long as you get redumps that are CUE/BIN tracks compatibility should be 100%
also I don't know any game which doesn't save between discs, can you tell me what it is so I can avoid running into that problem

[Anonymous No.8250408]

>>8248992
Because it isn't just a drive.
While it doesn't have the amount of extra hardware of, say, the Sega CD, it still is slightly more than just a drive.
Even if it were just the drive, which I would be willing to give you, emulating just a drive is still complex enough to produce fuckups that the terraonion thing apparently has.

[Anonymous No.8250415]

>>8250408
>Because it isn't just a drive.
prove it

[Anonymous No.8250442]

>>8242785
Bro, this is literally all retro games. The entire market is fucked beyond belief. I really wish we could have a bst thread here because we seem to be the only non retarded place around.

[Anonymous No.8250898]

>>8247680
Thats fair enough, if it works for you then that's all good! I spent ages looking for a duo and ended up getting a duo-r kinda cheap as the disc drive laser was broken. One 30 quid replacement laser later and it hasnt let me down since. The other iterations confused me and I thought it would be a pain to source everything separately, especially the arcade cards

[Anonymous No.8250957]

>>8249129
Dude have you seen the list of features on that thing? I don't remember my PC Engine CD drive doing that.

[Anonymous No.8250997]

>>8250415
Hook up a CD-ROM2 drive to your PC Engine without an interface unit or System Card.

[Anonymous No.8251197]

>>8250442
>we seem to be the only non retarded place around.
That's a very strong claim

[Anonymous No.8251754]

>>8250957
And?
You don’t have to use those features
Just use it as an ODE

[Anonymous No.8251762]

>>8250997
>hook up a cd rom without a bios
Ok?
>without an interface unit
Done

[Anonymous No.8251904]

>>8251754
what an insufferable faggot.

[Anonymous No.8251909]

>>8251904
You can literally just use the original video output and none of those features are used
Stop acting like a child

[Anonymous No.8252370]

>>8250213
No amount of re-reading will change the fact that your claim that your $240 device "has paid for itself many, many times" is total bullshit.

>>8250223
The list you want is in the fenrir compatibility list. A few are really worth playing so it's a legit concern, if you're a poorfag who only has one saturn. But one that can, and probably will, be fixed eventually.

[Anonymous No.8252389]

>>8252370
so In the hunt?
seems that's the only game with an issue, which I already have on PS1

[Anonymous No.8252493]

>>8242785
Lol just pcenginefags or anyone stuck with a cartridge based system. All I needed was a 20 dollar modchip in my Saturn and a stack of 50 blank CDs and I was off to the races.

[Anonymous No.8252508]

I don't know if I've windowshopped thoroughly enough but it seems like it would be cheaper to just import a Turbo Duo-RX than to get any model of PC Engine and the Super HD System. Would this be a bad move? Help me pcenginefags

[Anonymous No.8252605]

>>8246673
>Just buy an Analogue Duo
>lmao just give them your email
>not even a preorder
>a year after announcement
>during a chip shortage
>during a historical shipping crisis
>and fend off the scalpers
until there's stock available, as far as I'm concerned those things don't fucking exist. The only capacity they'll be around is in the hands of YouTubers and Redditors. I'll stick with my PCE and SSDS3.

[Anonymous No.8252736]

>>8252605
it's an anon who thinks the SSDS3 doesn't use the original hardware and just emulates the whole console on FPGA

[Anonymous No.8252760]

>>8252508
You could probably buy a junk one, refurbish the CD drive and do a full recap yourself for fairly cheap. Get it working, buy an everdrive and a spindle of CD-Rs and you're good to go. Arcade Card Duo too if you really want to play those games.

Pic related I got this for like $150 a few years ago. It needed a $5 replacement gear for the CD drive.

[Anonymous No.8252761]

>>8252736
At least that is what people told me the SSDS3 was.

[Anonymous No.8252769]

>>8252760
I mean the CD addon.

[Anonymous No.8252775]

>>8252760
That's exactly what I wanted to hear, thanks anon. At the risk of asking to be spoonfed here, is the Super CD-ROM 2 any faster or anything than the first model? As far as I know it just has more room for saves. I really like the ridiculous briefcase setup in picrel but I'll go with model 2 if it's more prudent to do so

[Anonymous No.8252782]

>>8252760
>>8252775
Sadly that stuff is just way too expensive for someone like myself. Although, it is a very cute and cool console setup.

[Anonymous No.8252801]

>>8252508
I thought the cheapest option these days was to buy a barebones PC Engine and the custom add-on that lets you play every single game without needing a cd drive

[Anonymous No.8252808]

>>8252775
I've never used the original PCECD but as far as I know, I'm pretty sure the load times are about the same. The Super CD ROM 2 is great if you don't want to mess around with system cards, but there's very little in the way of info on troubleshooting a Super CD ROM 2 when you inevitably run into problems. The original PCECD with the briefcase is more popular. I ended up buying a SSDS3 and called it a day. That's basically the end of purchasing things for my PCE. Sadly, my Super unit doesn't power on anymore and I'm sure it's a blown fuse but I'm not sure which one to get.

>>8252782
honestly, save yourself the hassle and emulate. I'm a fucking turbo-autist and spend more money than I should on retro game hardware.

[Anonymous No.8252820]

>>8252782
why are you bothering with real hardware if you don't have money?

[Anonymous No.8252830]

>>8252808
>honestly, save yourself the hassle and emulate
Well I did finally hack my Wii and installed the WADs for Rondo and Ys 1+2

>>8252820
I bought an AV Famicom, SNES and Jr, a PSOne and an N64 this past year to satisfy my needs. I would like to the PC Engine Duo, the whole set up for that alone is just way too much for my budget.

[Anonymous No.8252832]

>>8252801
If what anon said above is true, which it probably is, I would be able to get the console + the CD add-on for a little under $200, and I was under the impression that the terra onion thing alone costs like $300 but I could be wrong

>>8252808
Thanks for the info; I was wondering specifically if there was any sort of built-in system card stuff there. I'm at the very end of my retro game buying spree myself. I'll be using an Everdrive and burnt CDs as an earlier anon suggested.

[Anonymous No.8252839]

>>8252832
You mean this?
https://stoneagegamer.com/super-sd-system-3.html

[Anonymous No.8252841]

>>8252839
the new one is around 300 so maybe he means that

[Anonymous No.8252846]

>>8252839
>>8252841
yeah, my bad. fwiw the stoneagegamer link was dead for me and when I went to the terra onion website the SD System 3 was around €182 and out of stock, but I didn't look much harder for it

[Anonymous No.8252849]

>>8252846
ok maybe I'm just retarded and copied the link wrong. I see it for $234.99

[Anonymous No.8252859]

>>8252832
You still have to buy an arcade card to play some games though (another $50) and you won't be getting RGB out until you mod the console, which is a real pain in the ass in a Duo. Also there's long-term concerns with cd-rs and wearing out your laser (which in a used console may already be on its way out).

I own a Duo-R and honestly i'm considering just getting a Coregrafx and the Super SD thing.

[Anonymous No.8252876]

>>8252859
not to mention if you have a duo it's recommended to recap

[Anonymous No.8252887]

>>8252859
it's honestly a great purchase. Especially after they released a firmware update that completely fixed the UI. It used to be a fucking mess.

>II button is set to confirm
it's II by default but now you can change it to I, which works better for my brain
>no per-game system cards
now as long as the system card is inside the game's folder it'll boot without having to change it in a menu each time
>Have to tell the system if you want to play CD or HuCard games before navigating
now it just knows what a HuCard or CD is

[Anonymous No.8252897]

>>8252859
Yeah, I already liked the Core Grafx for the paint job alone but the anon above sold me on it. I think I would be comfortable replacing capacitors or lasers. I'm also not too worried about RGB modding anything I own, honestly.

[Anonymous No.8253030]

>>8251762
pwnd em

>>8252389
I don't even think that game has a problem. And I don't think there's anything that does that isn't available on another system.

[Anonymous No.8253046]

>>8252389
In the Hunt has problems with the retail disc even. Something got botched in the manufacturing phase.

[Anonymous No.8253058]

>>8251762
The super CD-ROM2 unit has both the mentioned things built in.
The Duo Consoles have them even more built in.
They still exist in addition to the part that could be called just a drive.

[Anonymous No.8253081]

>>8253058
anon, it is literally just a drive, the bios to run it is just that, a bios
if you're talking about the connection. I mean that's just fucking stupid
the other thing is the video pass through which again is nothing

[Anonymous No.8253096]

>>8253081
Which is why I said I'd be willing to give the fact that it's just a drive because the reasons it's not just a drive are pedantic.
But someone asked so I answered the pedantic answer. Also, there is RAM involved, as well.
Point remains that just a drive in FPGA leaves a lot of ways to fuck things up.
Combine that with terraonion's retarded drm and I don't want to buy their product.

[Anonymous No.8253101]

>>8253096
>and I don't want to buy their product
be honest, it's a personal issue and has nothing to do with the product

[Anonymous No.8253117]

>>8253101
What are you implying? I think it's a good idea for a product and would consider buying it if I didn't already have working original hardware and if there wasn't the drm situation. Since I am concerned with accuracy, it does bother me that my original hardware with RGB mods are unable to take advantage of the more accurate palette that came to light recently and I will be looking for ways to address this, but it's nice that the most recent terraonion device can load palettes.
Any inaccuracy with the drive emulation is a far secondary concern that probably only is an issue on shitty games no one cares about and I'm sure it works perfectly 99.9% of the time.
It still bears discussion that the drive is being emulated in FPGA and there can be inaccuracies instead of buying into the analogue marketing meme that FPGA = perfection. That's all I'm saying.
Terraonion has a history of putting out mostly great products with some problems. People who sink the money in like to focus on the great part and handwave away the problems, but I think anyone considering it should be aware of both.

[Anonymous No.8253127]

>>8253117
>It still bears discussion that the drive is being emulated in FPGA
then all ODE's are out if that is your issue

[Anonymous No.8253132]

>>8253127
I don't own any ODEs personally, but I think they are very important.
I will use my optical drives until they die and then we'll see where ODE technology is at that point.

[Anonymous No.8253137]

>>8253132
do you dislike using ISO files on a computer too?

[Anonymous No.8253160]

>>8253137
No, because there's no basically no such thing as "original hardware" when you're talking about computers and weird bugs and inaccuracies could come from so many different things that it doesn't really bear any special consideration.
There is such a thing as original hardware when talking about game consoles and I want any piece of that original hardware that I'm replacing to have austismo levels of accuracy and I'm not in a hurry about it.
Terraonion is trying to make money, so of course their priority is putting out a product and selling it and it may not be perfect. However they do at least seem to be decent about fixing things, so the only real hate boner I have for them is the drm thing.

[Anonymous No.8253165]

>>8253160
>I want any piece of that original hardware that I'm replacing to have austismo levels of accuracy and I'm not in a hurry about it.
that's fine but it gets pretty expensive buying real games, especially now

[Anonymous No.8253204]

>>8253165
I'm in Japan now, otherwise my ODE and Flashcart collection would probably be larger.
But real games here are mostly reasonably priced.

[Anonymous No.8253236]

>>8251197
Sure, people argue about the dumbest things sometimes, but it's not that bad

[Anonymous No.8253614]

>>8243808
cavefag

[Anonymous No.8254892]

>>8242903
I wonder how many collections just vanish because of natural disasters each year. Only takes a little flooding and all those games gone forever. I lost my old AD&D books this way.